1997/11/01 02:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #724
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 724
Today's Topics:
Re: Vibrations/K [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Need to know what to expect when [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: does God get crabby? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ]
Re: Dream [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Dream [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
[Fwd: Meditations from the World of [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.n ]
Re: Alguien escribe en castellano? [ Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net> ]
RE: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:41:14 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: onarresATnospaminreach.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Vibrations/K
Message-ID: <3459EE08.1E74ATnospamintercomm.com>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
> Today, out of curiosity, I tried to absorb on purpose. I tried to
> pull as much of a friend's negative energy as I could because I think he
> may be having a rough time. I wasn't in his presence, but from the way I
> felt afterward, I know I succeeded. I later felt bad, because I'm pretty
> sure I'm just encouraging him to do all the "pleasurable" things that
> caused him to collect that energy because if I succeeded, I took away the
> price that came with the pleasure. (Mental note, I'll never do that
> again...) What is the right way to heal if asked? What do I do with this
> energy now that I have it?
> Incidently, my mom called as I was writing this e-mail, and I felt
> a loss of the top half of my negative energy. I tried to pull it back,
> but a mama's too strong. First, I shouldn't have collected the energy to
> begin with however nice I thought it was for me to do. If I were to
> collect it accidently another time, how do I prevent if from infecting
> others?
>
> >
It is not a good idea to open up or draw into somebody's energy field,
it really sucks out life force. What you want to do to assist someone,
is put them in your heart and offer up them to your Christ Self, this
way you bring transformation into their lives. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:16:36 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
CC: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>,
Tom Bradley <tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Need to know what to expect when I start K classes
Message-ID: <3459E843.5621ATnospamintercomm.com>
Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
>
> Gloria Greco wrote:
> >
> > Welcome Harsh, my name is Gloria.......
>
>HI, Great poem, says a lot.
>
>
check out my homepage also. G
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:45:52 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>,
Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
Message-ID: <3459EF1D.7CC2ATnospamintercomm.com>
Sunil R Peswani wrote:
>
> On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, anandajyoti wrote:
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> Ram writes..
>
> I practice meditation. I have been passing thro a phase these
> days where I collect tons of pain from others.
> As a pure witness in meditation sitting I dissolve this pain by
> remaining aware of this pain.
> I call this .....compassion.
> Further I strongly beleive that this is a method of growth of
> some souls. This method is not for all.
> I encourage (not avoid) this gathering of pains and emotions
> in my body depending upon my capacity.
Gloria here,
As soon as your recognize the connection to another open to track it
down and then release it immediately. As soon as you feel the when the
transfer of energy happened you pull back as the observer, look at it
and it will neutralize immediately, if you are to involved in it, you
may have to meditate and see it leaving you.
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:15:30 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: does God get crabby?
Message-ID: <3459F60D.13D4ATnospamintercomm.com>
Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> I've just returned from a rather gruelling trip that has left me
> thin-skinned, cranky and emotional from high energy surges. The first
> part of the trip included a visit to my late mom's house where I was
> "directed" to some photographs I did not know existed that were
> extremely comforting, although the experience was a little unnerving.
Gloria Here:
These are tests before initation. You know there is no better way of
seeing where you are then to have your feeling of control and right and
wrong challenged, you really get to see how you handle emergency, and
that vibration that goes along with people being frustrated in a closed
in area.
I was with a group of people I've worked with for many years coming
home from Tuscon, Arizona to Reno. We ended up getting put through LA
where we were late and lost our seats on the plane. Two of my dear
friends really started acting out, caught up in the negative energy that
was in the room. I just stood there as they really let this young person
have it at the stand, then I looked at them and said...this is a test to
see if you automatically react or if you use your
consciousness...detachment is called for now.
They both immediately stopped, and when they did, and I said that. The
whole area stopped complaining and projecting on this young person. Then
I said to her, you know we all know this isn't your fault, in fact it
isn't anyones...so please don't let us ruin your day. She almost cried
and I think a lot of people came forward to apologize to her. For those
people who are spiritually asking to grow, you can expect many such
circumstances in your experience, tuck and roll.
> Then I flew into the blizzard in Denver and spent a day and a half
> sleeping on the floor of the Hertz rent-a-car facility and eating
> potato chips out of a vending machine. The Hertz people were saints
> and I think the rest of us pretty much rose to the best we were capable
> of. I tried to offer all of this up to God, of course, but the
> subsequent emotionality has been so difficult I wonder if it is a kind
> of whiplash, and then I've wondered if the PMS-like symptoms aren't
> just a manifestation of ego but in fact have some cosmic corollary.
> Are trees crabby when they CRACK loudly in the woods in early Spring?
Gloria:
YOu know the answer to these questions don't you?
>
> Holly
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:20:05 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971031172004.006d38f4ATnospampcpo-1>
>From: Susanne Macrae
>The "knots" or granthis are only located at the base, heart and brow
>chakras. From my own experience K moved up through my chakras and out
>through the crown before coming back down through my face and residing
>in the solar plexus. This took quite some years and caused a lot of
>physical, mental and emotional problems. K then started working
>simultaneously on piercing the 3 knots which have had a greater impact
>on my personality, ego self and communication with my Higher Self. When
>K opened the crown chakra I made a commitment to work with her to
>utilise her to the very maximum of the potential she was giving me and I
>think this may have been why she started working on the knots.
In some traditions the knots are only at the base, heart and brow. In the
tantric Buddhist systems they are also at the navel and throat. I
experiences quite a number of problems when kundalini began ``piercing''
the navel so that system makes sense to me.
>
>The piercing of the base granthi took me out of my current world and put
>me into another. For about 3 months I walked around feeling like I was
>Alice caught half way through the looking glass. I felt that I had to
>wear only white clothes at this time to assist the process. I think this
>piercing is about me in the physical world.
>
>The piercing of the heart granthi was interesting because the chakra
>moved about 4-5 inches and I was very aware of this happening at the
>time. It took 2 years and during this time my upper back felt like a
>brick. Then suddenly it dissolved. During this 2 years I worked
>constantly on issues of the heart to help and quicken the process. By
>far the most important aspect of this piercing was the emotional issues.
Piercing (vedha) is a term that gets used in some literature of kundalini.
It is evocative in some ways because it is reflective of the subjective
experience of the cakras getting penetrated by kundalini. The tantric
Buddhists use a graphic image that looks more like rubber balloons wrapped
around each other. What I like about this image (and don't like about
piercing) is how it better evokes how a cakra can open, and then close.
Piercing has the notion that once opened (like a can) it never closes.
I am interested in hearing more about your heart unfolding. My heart has
been stretching, creaking, inflating, vibrating and pulsating for almost 8
years. This is usually accompanied by very intense emotions of all
varieties. I am interested in getting a sense from others of the full
progression of the unfoldment. I was also interested in your statement
about the cakra moving 4-5 inches. When this started I felt sensations at
the point where the 2 rib cages join in front. 8 years later the sensations
pervade all the way up to about 5 inches below the throat.
>
>The Rudra or third eye piercing has been going on for quite a while now.
>My brain feels like it is being re-programmed or de-programmed. This
>piercing is related to my mental self and the releasing of all my
>accumulated perceptions, judgements, changing old for new. Here the ego
>self must go. On a physical level I have a constant buzz/hum/tingle
>that covers my face, head and ears and radiates about 18 inches out.
>I often feel nauseous as the ego self separates. I am not consciously
>working on anything connected with this, just allowing K to do her job.
>I feel quite strange a lot of the time and put this down to what is
>happening in my brain. Because science says we traditionally use only
>10% of the brain, this piercing feels like it is opening up my brain to
>experiencing it more fully.
Whenever I get too much energy in my head I relax my shoulders and breath
deeply into my navel cakra/tan tien. On exhalation I let the energy drip
from my shoulders down through my feet into the ground. I also find that
putting my feet in cold water or into mud helps. Finally, I find just
sitting in nature is great for returning energetic balance.
Thanks for sharing.
Mangalam,
Kurt
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:28:58 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Danielle R Dumont <jacinthaATnospamjuno.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dream
Message-ID: <3459EB28.15FCATnospamintercomm.com>
Danielle R Dumont wrote:
>
> Hello K-Listers
>
>
Gloria Here:
> Dream...Jacintha
> This table had
> holes about
> 8 to 10 inches in diameter in a straight line from one end to the other.
>
> This table was special. I put my hands over each of the holes - one at a
> time -
> and I had to concentrate to make warm air blow up through the holes.
> These
> holes appeared to be color coded like the chakras. I was very good at
> getting the red, orange and yellow colored holes to blow warm air
> strongly but the higher up in the
> levels I would go - the air would blow more softly.
Great dream, Gloria responds. The dreams tell you that you have
activated the red, ordange and yellow centers wich is the first three
chakra,s... you need to work on getting up to the heart center which is
green, the throat, blue, third eye, indigo, and crown is violet.
You must relate to yourself in terms of the table as the body.
>
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:03:52 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
CC: BedawnedATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc.
Message-ID: <345A8E04.D45B842CATnospamgeocities.com>
BedawnedATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Dear Anandajyoti;
>
>
> You wrote>
> It sounds like you're talking about love as an end rather than a means. Love
> flows from an individual for the sake of loving itself and not as a way of
> obtaining some sort of gratification. Yes?
Anandajyoti>If we say God is Love, and we are made in His image, then in my
understanding would not Love be the be all and end all of all.?
> Your wrote> So, good love or pure love is an unconditional thing. If a person
> is going
> to be in the business of loving (and what person can escape this), then
> happiness, peace, virtue are contingent upon whether love is given freely,
> *detached* from self-serving motives
Anandajyoti> That's what Love has made me experience..
> You wrote>And when you say "SELF" you mean my atman? my most inner essence?
Anandajyoti>Whatever name one may give to it , is immaterial. They are all same
understood differently, just like looking at the church building from different
angles. In spite of all the different angle to look from, the church building
remains the same.
> Yoe wrote> ...... would you say my "self" is incapable of changing,
> progressing, maturing, increasing in virtue?
Anandajyoti> No I would not say that, because each one of us begin our spiritual
or even our phenomenal journey in life , from where we are at a level of
consciousness, with all the contents of our subconscious. It is an established
fact that contents of our individual subconscious are not the same in all people.
Or would you say that is so?
> You wrote>Or would you say my "self" has a sort of godly quality that is
> incapable of progress or change because it has as a feature of the thing that
> it is a tap into all the potential goods or ills it can be?
Anandajyoti> Inherently the "self" of everyone has the godlike quality. Are we
not made in His image?What makes us not being receptive to changes , (I would not
say incapable) is our own choice, determination, understanding, subconscious
inclinations, which hold powerful influences in our lives. If I choose to
overcome my situations, I must first recognize its presence which is opposite to
the process of denial.
> You wrote> The movie, is that an analogy for life around me? Or is it only the
>
> illusions that are part of that life?
Anandajyoti> I used the story as a metaphor, to give the ideas and concepts and
make it easily understandable.
>
>
> You wrote>"Reloading" is analogous with rebirth? "Stashes it away," a version
> of
> Christian purgatory?
>
> Anandajyoti> This is the way you perceive it . Another may perceive it
> differently.
It does confuse us when we take metaphors, strictly in the literal sense.
> You wrote> I'm having trouble, I think, with the concept of the screen as the
> Self,
> because the screen isn't something that stands indefinitely. Eventually, the
> threads get thin, the screen wears, gets holes, needs maintenance. What
> maintains it? Is it not a stagnant, and decaying existence without
> maintenance, without being augmented for 70 mm viewing? :)
Anandajyoti> I think that understanding of the metaphor in taken here in the
literal sense.I am not talking about the physical movie screen. The screen here
is only representative of the idea , that the SELF does not change, and it is
the substratum on which our experiences, changing all the time, goes on.
> Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:07:32 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dream
Message-Id: <199711010218.VAA16160ATnospamhoboken>
Daniele,
You wrote:
>>This table was special. I put my hands over each of the holes - one at a
time -
and I had to concentrate to make warm air blow up through the holes.
These
holes appeared to be color coded like the chakras. I was very good at
getting the red, orange and yellow colored holes to blow warm air
strongly but the higher up in the
levels I would go - the air would blow more softly.>>
The energy of the higher chakras is more subtle, less substantial, and so,
yes, the air *would* blow more softly through them. It sounds to me as if
you were a great success in your dream.
Sharon
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Subject: [Fwd: Meditations from the World of Osho] (fwd)
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From: Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepcATnospamBOM3.VSNL.NET.IN>
Subject: Meditations from the World of Osho
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Meditations from the world of Osho
I thought it would be interesting for people here on the Bridge to get a
taste of Meditation as opposed to Prayer or contemplation or reflection.
"Meditation is the knack to watch. You are the watcher .You can watch the
whole scene. There is no effort to concentrate on anything. No effort to
contemplate on anything.You are not doing any of these things. You are
simply watching, just aware. It is a knack, not a science, not an art, not
a craft.
Keep playing with these methods, let joy be the criterion. Nothing should
be forced otherwise it is doomed no matter how profound your method. Drop
the method when the joy is finished, it's work is finished. Choose any two
methods and try for 3 weeks and see whether it is in tune with your nature.
If not play around. All around us Existence is in playfulness. Only man is
serious.
Meditation is a very simple process. All you need to know is the right
button which is "witnessing". Just witness your mind process, don't do
anything at all. Just a witness, an observer, a watcher, looking at the
traffic of the mind-thoughts passing by, desires, memories, dreams,
fantasies. Simply stand aloof, watching it ,seeing it, with no
condemnation, no praise either. Don't bring your morality other wise you
can never meditate."
1.MIRROR GAZING
Close the doors of your room and be in front of a big mirror. The room must
be dark and only lit by a candle the flame of which should be at the side
of the mirror so that the flame is not reflected in the mirror. Just your
face is reflected not the flame.
Then constantly stare into your eyes in the mirror. Do not blink even if
tears come out. This is a 40 minutes exercise and slowly in 2-3 days you
will be able to keep the eyes open for the full duration.
Do not change your staring. Go on staring and within 2-3 days you will
notice a very strange phenomenon. Your face will begin to take new shapes.
The face in the mirror will begin to change. Sometime a totally different
face will be seen nowhere similar to the one that you know.
All these faces are yours. The subconscious mind is beginning to explode.
These faces, these masks are yours, sometimes from your past lifes.
After one week of so your face will be in flux, just a film like flux,
constantly changing.You will not be able to remember which is your own face
because you have seen so many come and go.
If you continue for at least 3 weeks, then one day there will be no face in
the mirror.the mirro is vacant and you are staring at emptiness. There is
no face at all. You will be naked as you are, all deceptions fallen.
At that moment close your eyes and encounter THAT
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If there is interest from the members then I will post other methods from
Osho. The above Mirror Gazing has been an explosion for me.
Cheers
Sandeep
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 07:15:53 -0600
From: Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
Message-Id: <345B2B89.79A8ATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
Dear Nancy and Other Empathizers:
Empathy is great. Emotion, or lack of, is the key to being detached.
Keep being self reflective and catch the emotional content within as
quickly as possible. This emotion carries the negative energy that
allows the disease to manifest in the first place (here I'm speaking of
both physical and emotional disease). Studies show that's what causes
the immune system to drop after arguments between partners.
Also, it is natural that we are connected. A certain amount of that is
not avoidable IMHO. People who study clouds can tell you that distant
storms interact with each other electrically through long arks of
ionized particles. Not only do we interact with our auras, but through
our crown chakras we ark up over and down to others. There is NO
seperation.
Here's an example: Arriving late for an Eckankar hu chant and being
left outside a closed door I sat and did my own hu chant. I couldn't
hear the sound coming from the chanters in the closed room. But when the
hu chant stopped I felt it immediately on the top of my head. The change
was quite noticeable.
Anybody who meditates in a group can easily see the benefits of the
group in this way. And how many gurus suck other's karmas up and as a
result have much pain from iit. Maybe we also should stop seeing
ourselves as gurus; but I doupt that's the key.
Nancy wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> I can't recall ever feeling someone's physical pain. Yet frequently, I
> pick up on people's emotions. A woman I know who was closing her
> business after a couple of years of operation. When I encountered her
> one day, I could feel the sadness and pain well up in my heart.
>
> I suppose we all read other people's emotions. Generally, I don't take
> them on as my own. I realize it's theirs and am able to temper my
> response based on my "reading." When I do feel their emotions, I still
> recognize that it's there stuff.
>
> More difficult for me is negative energy coming from people who complain
> and whine and bitch. I find that if I don't protect myself when I'm
> listening to this, I take it in without realizing it. Usually I get rid
> of this negative energy through uncharacteristic anger, rage or
> cynicism. I guess it's my attempt to push that crap out of me. These
> days, I try to avoid it before I take it in.
>
> Nancy
Sincerely;
Mike Beaver
yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:21:34 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Carlos Alberto Russomanno <bcomputoATnospamsatlink.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Alguien escribe en castellano?
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Hola Carlos Alberto,
Si escribo en español.
en la lista hay personas que les molesta que nos hablemos en otro
idioma, mayormente a Mistress Angelique que es la que distribuye la
lista, pero hablaremos a pesar de todo.
Hace mas de un año y medio se me desperto la energia del kundalini, no
se si sabes lo que es, si ya te paso a ti.
Que clase de meditacion haces? Yo estoy en Siddha Yoga, en Argentina hay
un centro de ellos.
Contestame si quieres mas directo a AngelnesATnospamaol.com, pues a veces son
tantas las cartas de la lista que me toma dias abrirlas todas.
Amor y (((luz)))
Lissette
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:41:47 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What to expect ...)
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Sent: Saturday, November 01, 1997 4:59 AM
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