1997/10/31 07:32
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #722
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 722
Today's Topics:
Re: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Need to know what to expect when [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What [ BedawnedATnospamaol.com ]
Dream [ jacinthaATnospamjuno.com (Danielle R Dumon ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Piercing the Rudra Knot [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Intellectualizing [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Failed mail [ Jan Curran <ivydruidATnospamtp.net> ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: Vibrations/K [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: Vibrations/K [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: Vibrations/K [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
[Fwd: Re: Vibrations/K] [ FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net> ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.v ]
right brain/left brain [ Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> ]
Virtual Flower Bouquet Delivery [ ShellRose* via the Virtual Florist ]
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:46:41 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What to expect ...)
Message-ID: <3458E41B.81C2700DATnospamgeocities.com>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> Someone wrote:
> >Yelling and ...... experiences are nothing to do with K. They are mere
> occult side effects due to imbalanced glandular and psychic structure.
Anandajyoti> I beg to differ on the above. When the K-primarily affects, not
absorb, the lower three chakras. With blockages in the three lower chakras, one
would experience demonic visions, very fearful, heights of passionate lust,
obsessive compulsive symptoms, and desire to dominate others. When the k finds
the blockage, it seeks to travel through the secondary channels , which the
heighten the symptoms. By virtue of one's practice, or through grace, when one
is able to clear the blockages, so that the K can flow through the central
channel, then the symptoms are absorbed by the K manifesting their opposites.
At this time, psychological imbalances occur, the self tries to balance the
tension, which often is manifested as yelling and howling. This comes from the
remnant memories of our evolutionary past. Animals yell and howl for a reason.
Those instincts are present in all of us, through the gene pool.
These manifestations are also indicative of the transformations taking place
within the subject, psychologically. It is very easy for many to brush it off
as occult or something similar.
Yelling and howling also indicative the individual's willingness to accept its
inherent tendencies, and through understanding and love these tendencies get
transmuted , into appropriate human qualities.
> .Someone wrote>.... From my experience when the k rises the attraction to
> the
> Great is so immense that so much joy will flood the mind that no duality is
> present. That is bliss or ananda and is a totally different think to
> pleasure from senses or glandular emissions or the like.
Anandajyoti > You are fortunate that you may not have the blockages in the
first three lower chakras, so you can experience what you call a blissful
state, touching your heart center, which also is very likely to be open at the
time. Yes it is very different from pleasures derives through sensory
stimulation alone.
> Kurt>
> I hold an alternative view: Yelling and howling are common kriyas
> associated with the rising of kundalini.
> These kriyas are associated with the purification of samskaras (impressions
> or
> stresses) of the nervous system and that is their value.
Anandajyoti> Yes Kurt ,these manifestations of emotional nature does transmute
the body, emotions and the mind.
> >
> >some one wrote> Eating a pure sattvic diet, leading a balanced emotional
> life, and the practice of meditation lead to deep........relaxation. This
> allows the arousal and manifestation of the divine energy.
> >
>
> Kurt........... Sooner or later the rising of kundalini will thrust into
> ones consciousnessness the entire gamut of repressed attitudes and
> inclinations. If one is attached to the image of oneself as a ``pure
> sattvic'' person then kundalini will be restricted in its movements.
Anandajyoti> I would rather put it in a different way. The K is neutral. When
it affects us either , physically, emotionally, or mentally, it does so on the
reserve of memories of such symptoms, within our subconscious. What we have in
our subconscious is brought out in the conscious mind, then it affects our
emotions, and if we try to hide, or look the other way, it gets us physically.
The manifestations therefore differ in various ways, according to the
individual subconscious tendencies, inclinations, propensities, stored within
our minds.
>
>
> Kurt>......On the other hand the tantric path is not without its dangers. If
> one loses
> all discrimination then ones ego can be inflated by the kundalini energy
> with the result that one freely indulges in unethical activities that will
> only lead to a re-establishment of the cycle and pain and suffering rather
> than liberation.
Anandajyoti>Yes this happens to many who try to play with it for personal gain,
at the cost of others. That is why knowledge and intelligence is also a
necessary requirement in such matters, or some may learn it the trial and error
method, some through being a witness of themselves.
>
>
> Kurt>So practically ......... we practice ethical behavior without becoming
> attached to any particular view of ourselves as being ``pure''. We
> acknowledge that shakti pervades both the ``bad'' and the ``good''.
Anandajyoti> I believe this is the starting point. To know and practice
detachment, but with Love towards and Understanding of others.
> Kurt> ......Finally, when shakti awakens in us we must not be afraid to
> face the shadow of ourselves and at any time that we might happen to become
> ego-istically identified with shakti then we must either:
> 1) surrender our ego to God
> or
> 2) apply our discrimination to our ego and realize our own identitylessness
>
Anandajyoti> Kurt this would be the most practical method. Ego is forced to shy
away from us if we genuinely practice to function from the Heart. Through
repeated practice it would become a habit, kind of second nature, from habits
repeated it would establish very strong roots within us , which no force in the
Universe can blow us away. That is empowerment.
Anandajyoti
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:00:59 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>,
Tom Bradley <tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Need to know what to expect when I start K classes
Message-ID: <3458F58B.9DAATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Welcome Harsh, my name is Gloria.......
Thank you Gloria. The response from the K-list has been wonderful and I
am filled with gratitude. Here are a few lines from a poem I wrote a
while back. I dedicate them to the seekers who often must overcome
obstacles and much pain in their life. Hearing their stories fills my
eyes with tears.
Still and silent I have kept
loved you very quietly
from a distance while you slept.
Know that one day this love of mine
will overtake; it must!
Nothing much I can do because
inevitably this heart will burst
being much too full for too long
with unsung lullabies and songs
but I am only too content
to just let it go like that.
Harsh K. Luthar
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:20:30 -0500 (EST)
From: BedawnedATnospamaol.com
To: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What to expect ...)
Message-ID: <971030151837_2091845420ATnospamemout02.mail.aol.com>
Dear Anandajyoti;
You wrote:
<<I believe this is the starting point. To know and practice detachment, but
with Love towards and Understanding of others.>>
Perhaps you can clear something up for my Westernized brain. How can one
practice "detachment" and love at the same time when detachment and love are
notions inherently opposed to one another. How can one love if one is
detached?
A similiar paradox (I mean, who knows, it may be a mere semantical problem
that I haven't perceived yet and not paradoxical at all) gnaws me in the
Unknown Teachings of Lao Tsu as well. If dualism is to be rejected as a
illusion, how is it possible or why is it necessary to understand and
practice virtue. How can virtue be perceived or known or even exist IF there
isn't a condition of non-virtue; yet! he says there is no such duality.
Sincerely, Melissa
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:13:43 -0500
From: jacinthaATnospamjuno.com (Danielle R Dumont)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Dream
Message-ID: <19971030.161828.4950.0.jacinthaATnospamjuno.com>
Hello K-Listers
Upon waking this morning I have recall of a dream that was out of the
ordinary but interesting, nonetheless.
In my dream I was at what appeared to be a park (the background). I was
in an
area that had a long, low picnic table colored white. This table had
holes about
8 to 10 inches in diameter in a straight line from one end to the other.
This table was special. I put my hands over each of the holes - one at a
time -
and I had to concentrate to make warm air blow up through the holes.
These
holes appeared to be color coded like the chakras. I was very good at
getting the red, orange and yellow colored holes to blow warm air
strongly but the higher up in the
levels I would go - the air would blow more softly.
There were other people there as well, including children. It seemed as
though we
were playing a great game and everyone was having fun with these colored
holes.
Thats all, as the alarm woke me.
Jacintha
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:13:22 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
Message-ID: <3459067D.9A1C5459ATnospamgeocities.com>
Barbara Shinton wrote:
> seem to trigger my need to feel open spaces. My back hurts. My heart
> pounds.The body is saying get me out of here. When I have to much pain in
> my back I go the chiropractor. The spinal adjustments release the blocks
> for kundalini...... I'm learning to listen to my body more each day.
> Get more rest. Eat less food. Exercise. Do things I enjoy.
> Because I meditate frequently I am very sensitive to my environment.
Do you know of any method of protecting yourself from such sensitivities,
without being insensitive? Do you get any answers through your
meditation?Anandajyoti
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:23:58 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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Nancy wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> I can't recall ever feeling someone's physical pain. Yet frequently, I
> pick up on people's emotions. A woman I know who was closing her
> business after a couple of years of operation. When I encountered her
> one day, I could feel the sadness and pain well up in my heart.
>
> I suppose we all read other people's emotions. Generally, I don't take
> them ..... When I do feel their emotions, I still....
>
> .....I find that if I don't protect myself when I'm
> listening to this, I take it in without realizing it. Usually I get rid
> of this negative energy through uncharacteristic anger, rage or
> cynicism. -----Nancy
How do you protect yourself in such situations? If you would choose to
share...
Thanks
Anandajyoti
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:06:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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No I don't know how to deal with this sensitivety. I just have to leave
the situation before I scream or do something foolish.
But most of the time I like the sensitivety. It tells me I'm in the wrong
place at the wrong time. It leads to better situations.
I can't be bothered with other peoples pain on a 24 hour basis. I need to
feel my bliss, my happiness.
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:15:34 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
CC: "Barbara Shinton<ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Piercing the Rudra Knot
Message-ID: <34590E0E.7E2DATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi Gloria,
Thank you for your input. You suggest to connect with God through the
heart centre. My connection with God is through all chakras. Your
comment about fear being in the lower chakras is not pertinent to my
situation although as a stand alone comment it does have merit. As the
Rudra piercing progresses, the ego self is separating and generates its
fear, which I feel as transference.
I have viewed the original ego attachment to my energetic body (which
occurred a very long time ago). The process I am now going through is
the detachment or separation. The ego aims to stop the process and has
only the tool of fear to use. The ego as a separate self or parasite
doesn't recognise God so therefore will not surrender its fear to God.
My process is about allowing my higher self to transmute the fear of the
ego (much as I would transmute the pain I take on from another person).
Sue
My ego self is not a part of my Divine self. It is an alien attachment
and
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:19:58 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: Intellectualizing
Message-ID: <34591616.BB2A940ATnospamgeocities.com>
Dieter Dambiec wrote:
> Anandajyoti>Agree with your perspective, but I wish to enjoy all life in all aspects, with that knowing
> of Who I am, What is my mind,and all the rest.
>
>
> Dieter[>] Yes, that is the key - non attachment. ..nevertheless. The old saying chains of gold or chains of iron.
>
Anandajyoti> Through attachment, to whatever it may be, we begin to identify ours selves with it, resulting in a contracted feeling of our own SELF. Through non-attachmentwe practice to expand in all areas and aspects of our lives. Yet , ultimately , in my experience Love with Understanding empowers us to live a fuller, in-joy life, whatever may be our circumstances from the view point of our environments.
> Dieter> Last night I dreamt a funny thing about illness and decay - because it was a fast day for me :) and in that process I awoke somewhat and thought about death but still had a longing for some 'nice' things, but realised if I was going to die and think of such things at the time of death then my mind is simply taking that form because of past reactions to events, but realised with some relative ease I could think of higher thoughts and focus on God's Love and start meditation even if suffering a painful death so that mind goes to catch its Subjective Goal. I haven't died yet of course, but seems to me whatever thought/s or processes one has in the mind at time of death would be highly important in terms of what is 'achieved' by the death. Hence, the need to cultivate the highest thoughts at all times with non-attachment to good or not so good deeds and
> actions.
Anandajyoti > Have you to tried to reflect on your dream from an emotional or mental perspective rather than the purely physical death aspect and subsequent responses in your mind.?
> Dieter> Objective things are fine for sustaining life, ....objective things a goal. Indeed if that is done the mind will take the form of its thoughts and if the thoughts are matter oriented then that leads to attachment to things....Subjective Goal is realizing that Oneness.
> Anandajyoti> As in Quantum planes the object exists as long as there is an observer.So also in the spiritual understanding. There is no objective without the subjective. Through attachment we learn detachment. The mind recognizes through the reflections of the sensory inputs on it . Thoughts work both ways. They facilitate going inwards and also going outwards. I tend to feel that the subjective goal is experiencing that Oneness and living this life amidst all the pain and suffering, joy and unhappiness, coming from that feeling and loving and understanding all.
> Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:13:30 -0500
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Tried to send this directly, but as you can see it didn't work.
Jan
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>>At 06:19 PM 10/28/97, you wrote:
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:35:51 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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At 12:08 AM 10/30/97 -0500, Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
This isn't the first time I've thought that I've
>felt the pain (or pleasure) of another as if it were my own. Can anybody
>relate?
> Dan
>
>
yes... AND I see them picking up MY stufff...
the edges are blurring.......aren't they?
M
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:46:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
cc: onarresATnospaminreach.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Vibrations/K
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> it is and was... and then let it go. You don't want to carry it, many
> psychics do this and live a very short life because they end up taking
> on from the people they see, as do healers. The reason you feel it, is
> simple to tell you that you made the connection, give it to God, and
> detach.
The psychic I saw mentioned she wore "protection" (gold light over
purple light over white light). She told me she never channels negative
things. I'm assuming she didn't get negative impressions during the
twenty readings she did before I saw her. As soon as I looked at her, I
got a massive influx of painful energy and a cover like a glove seemed to
cover my head. Is it possible for a psychic to only take in positive
energy and store the negative in her aura. She says she causes electrical
systems problems. When I looked at her, did I absorb vast quantities of
that negative energy? I sure felt disagreeable. How could she have
prevented herself from collecting all of it, and how could I have
prevented myself from drawing if from her?
Today, out of curiosity, I tried to absorb on purpose. I tried to
pull as much of a friend's negative energy as I could because I think he
may be having a rough time. I wasn't in his presence, but from the way I
felt afterward, I know I succeeded. I later felt bad, because I'm pretty
sure I'm just encouraging him to do all the "pleasurable" things that
caused him to collect that energy because if I succeeded, I took away the
price that came with the pleasure. (Mental note, I'll never do that
again...) What is the right way to heal if asked? What do I do with this
energy now that I have it?
Incidently, my mom called as I was writing this e-mail, and I felt
a loss of the top half of my negative energy. I tried to pull it back,
but a mama's too strong. First, I shouldn't have collected the energy to
begin with however nice I thought it was for me to do. If I were to
collect it accidently another time, how do I prevent if from infecting
others?
> For those having a problem with detachment write to me directly and I
> will tell you about my book that I wrote specifically for this purpose.
Please.
Dan
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:48:03 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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At 10:17 AM 10/30/97 -0500, Sharon Webb wrote:
>tg xxx,
>Your right-sided "heart attack" brought to mind a phenomena that often
>seems to happen with Silva Method remote viewing case work. Often, even
>usually, left and right are reversed. For example, once I saw quite
>clearly a hospital patient with a left-sided mastectomy. Correct, except
>it was the right breast. Another example: I drew a floorplan of a house
>that was correct in all details except that it was a mirror image of the
>actual house. I have no idea why this happens.
>Sharon
A lady I met once said she had had one unusual experience in her life. She
and her second husband had taken out a life insurance policy on her first
husband, Fred, because they knew he was careless about his health and
accident prone to boot. Fred agreed to it also, btw. He died in due course
as well. Lady and hubby #2 paid off the mortgage and bought a car and
eventually took a little vacation. She was lying round the pool wondering
if and/or how Fred was. She casually thought, "If you're up there Fred, you
could at least say Hi."
She looked up into a clear blue sky and saw two little clouds forming...they
went:
I, then off to the right of it: H
She fell off her chair. Just like him to do it backwards, she later thought.
8-}
M
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:55:03 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Vibrations/K
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At 09:07 AM 10/30/97 -0800, onarresATnospaminreach.com wrote:
>I've heard about the various yogis and people who pick up another's
>vibrations, I do this as well. When there is hostility in one's post, even
>without expressing it in words, I feel it. When there is a great amount of
>love, I feel that as well. Words may be just words, but they seem to carry
>a vibration from the person writing. K sure works in strange ways. >
A Quote from A Course in Miracles:
With love in your heart you have no need but to extend it.
IMHO
when we are taking stuff in,
it is just a reminder
that maybe
we should be
sending stuff out instead.
Worth a try, dontchathink?
M
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:19:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
cc: onarresATnospaminreach.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Vibrations/K
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Just a note to let you know your not alone in receiving vibrations off
the internet. I noticed that about a year ago when I was on a penpal list.
I could sense quickly if I was going to get along with someone or not. I
could sense more than what they were telling me. I quit responding to
that list because if was to much up & down with the kundalini.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:46:09 -0600
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
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Subject: [Fwd: Re: Vibrations/K]
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:39:08 -0600
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
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To: onarresATnospaminreach.com
Subject: Re: Vibrations/K
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I understand.. I am Empathic and I Do just exactly what you are talking
about.. In fact before I took Reiki I was saying.. Ok.. I have the pain,
I'll make it go away in me.. and it will go away in them.. AND IT
WORKED. However you take in too much that way.. Reiki helped me to hold
somethings and somepeople at a distance so that I didn't connect with
the emotional trauma (was always the hardest for me to deal with).
After a day of working with people, all day long, I still sometimes find
it necessary to use Sea Salt and Epson Salts (Rosemary or Lavendar/Sage
is good for fragrance) in bath water.. It seems to do something that
reduces the negativity and the weight... don't know the exact
explanation but I feel better the minute I submurge <G>. You need to
find your boundries and know where the other person stops and you begin.
Its a kind of trial and error thing..
Love,
flute
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:03:54 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, anandajyoti wrote:
>
>
> Do you know of any method of protecting yourself from such sensitivities,
> without being insensitive? Do you get any answers through your
> meditation?Anandajyoti
>
>
>
Ram writes..
I practice meditation. I have been passing thro a phase these
days where I collect tons of pain from others.
As a pure witness in meditation sitting I dissolve this pain by
remaining aware of this pain.
I call this .....compassion.
Further I strongly beleive that this is a method of growth of
some souls. This method is not for all.
I encourage (not avoid) this gathering of pains and emotions
in my body depending upon my capacity.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:20:14 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: right brain/left brain
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I used to be right-handed. All of my life I thought of myself as
right-handed, and my left hand was clumsy at fine work. With kundalini
opening twelve years ago I became ambidextrous. Then I noticed that I
was absent-mindedly feeding myself with the fork in my left hand. I
would catch my left hand doodeling or untying knots in shoelaces. I now
consider myself left-handed. With this came a shift in perspective to
right-brain thought patterns.
Morgana
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:28:31 -0500
From: ShellRose* via the Virtual Florist <shellroseATnospamgv.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Virtual Flower Bouquet Delivery
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Kundalini friends...,
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Your Virtual Flower Bouquet can be viewed anytime during the next
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