1997/10/22 22:35
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #536
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 536
Today's Topics:
Re: Pardon my English-NOT!!!
Re: the smile of a child.
fine command of language
Re: 8 Psychic Channels
[Fwd: Re: hello]
RE: the smile of a child.
Lobster bake..was "specialness"
Re: Enlightened Ego?
Re: Enlightened Ego?
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Re: Enlightened Ego?
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:10:04 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "David Tompkins" <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>,
"'Hugh Stabler'" <hughATnospamdtc.rankxerox.co.uk>
Cc: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Pardon my English-NOT!!!
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I said there were two reasons but after re-examining, the second was too
similar to the first. I guess I have only one reason to ask you to
reconsider. But I have one more thing to mention. Although I am young, I
have seen many people, myself included who have walked away from something
problematic at the worst moments. Beyond leaving a sense of incompletion
and unfulfillment within the self, this can give birth to a repetitive
cycle of not taking responsibility for the shit in ones life and in the
world. I'm not suggesting this of you, as I know there is always a time
when one must leave; the decision is entirely personal. If possible it is
better to leave when one is not rejecting but choosing, or rather being led
away.
Anyway, whatever you choose, go with love.
The Ox.
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You got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. I have made
mistakes both ways.
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Drew
" So Far : So Good "
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:37:31 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "Dieter Dambiec" <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>,
"'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
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Subject: Re: the smile of a child.
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> I have a slave who has been with me on a part time basis for a few
> years. The little peasant girl, was me.
> [>] Another half witted idiot contribution.
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Smile when to say that . .
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Drew
" So Far : So Good "
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:27:06 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: fine command of language
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Some seed meditations for the activation of K:
I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give
the wrong answers.
A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.
What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to
do the unnecessary. -- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960
Slogan of 105.9, the classic rock radio station in Chicago: "Of all the
radio stations in Chicago ... we're one of them."
Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.
I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I
hate plants. -- A. Whitney Brown
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices. -- William James
Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom: No matter how great your triumphs or
how tragic your defeats, approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care
less.
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake
when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
disinclination to do so. -- Douglas Adams
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
--Ashleigh Brilliant
Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing.
Lobster
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:37:11 -0400
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM>
CC: "'kundalini-l-dATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-l-dATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: 8 Psychic Channels
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Hello Tohmas Bradley,
Happy birthday, better late than never :-)
You said:
"It's my birthday today, so I'm in a chatty mood! Thank you for
your words the other day. I would certainly like to experience the
energetic transfer you suggested, but we'll have to wait a while until I
can set up things at this end."
No problem, but it's not tranfer of energy, just a resonnace effect.
Energy is infinite, just have to open to it.
" I like karate, and I'm trying to dredge up the discipline to get up
and train in it every morning before I go to work (if you can help me
with my motivation there I'll be grateful).
When motivation will come from you and not the others, you will have
found your motivation... Perseverance, and one step at the time, push
constantly, but not to hard at one time.
"The reason I've been so enthusiastic about this is that to
experience the heat flowing through discrete channels in the body in a
systematic fashion, integrated with the breathing, must be a wondrous
experience. I can visualize the flows, but
not yet feel the heat, or feel the heat flowing automatically. "
One thing... heat is the lowest vibration one can feel, instead on just
focussing on feeling the heat, listening more deeply you will find that
already more subtle energy passes where your attention passes. Bring
your mind to listen more, than forcing the energy to change vibration
level so you can feel it more directly. You'll learn faster this way,
and risk less of opening paths of subtle energy that may not be suited
for your body. Listen more don't impose the path the flow must take.
At a certain level we are a bit like magnets, once we get magnetize in a
way, it takes greater energies to demagnetize in another. K is
intelligent, and when it awakes it knows where to go, which path to take
crushing the olds ones.
You said that you still hesitated between Reiki and Chi-Kung. You should
align your martial arts with the choice you will make. From my
experience in kung fu, i know that the posture we take for a long time
open the subtle pathways for energy in a specific way. Chi-kung being a
part of kung-fu, when starting Chi kung after practicing kung-fu for a
while, we become aware very fast of the path that opened "automatically"
in kung fu. I never done Karate, so i can't tell you in what way they
open the sutles path, but being from the same culture as Reiki they must
be a link, you should ask about that.
At the very beginning, when opening those subtle path it's very
important to open the major ones in a way that your body is predisposed
to it. After if you want you can mix them, helping you to find more
deeply, by comparison the true archetypes of nature. But as a said,
mixing is a painful and unstabilizing process for a while.
Archetypes: You should pay attention to them in your exploration, feel
really how you feel the "earth", "sky", "love", and the "chi", life
energy that makes you breath, and moves into you. Don't force things
listen. The more you will really fill those archetypes, mot
intellectualise them, the more you'll be abble to tap into those
energies. Love being the bigguest archetype i have found...
In love Antoine
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:48:37 -0500
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flute, i'm not getting messages from the k-list anymore, and I don't know how
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-danny
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:00:13
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: the smile of a child.
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At 20:30 22/10/97 +1000, >[>] Dieter wrote:
> I have a slave who has been with me on a part time basis for a few
>years. The little peasant girl, was me.
>[>] Another half witted idiot contribution.
>
>
Oho, the master speaks to judge.. thankyou so much for your negative
opinion, by your wisdom I am saaaaaavvvvvved!!!
Or was your comment a reference to your comment?
Ah, Such humility! Thankyou for your fine example.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:18:19
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Lobster bake..was "specialness"
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At 18:45 22/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
>> Fake it till ya make it, baby!!
>
>?
>Lie until it becomes true? :D
It is no lie.. it is true that we are all of Goddess.. The lie, is that
we are less. Like your quote from Nelson Mandela.. it is our magnificence,
which frightens us. The path is of realization of this truth, that we Are
Goddess. Spirit, having a human experience. Is every mantra, affirmation or
prayer a lie?
>On the Path of Truth, we are on the path of honesty and integrity. This is
why I
>constantly dissuade people from accepting anything I say as having any
form of authority or worth - unless it equates with their understanding.
I expect people will do that with my writing anyway, wthout my having to
tell them to.
You think folks are sheep, who need to be always reminded to think for
themselves?
Was telling the Geniuses that you are a woman, honesty? How about the pic
of you in the gallery? Is this a true representation of your appearance?
How can you type with claws?? Doesn't your keyboard short out when it gets
wet? ;)
>The problem with Boddhisatvas, Goddesses and so on is they start to
believe their own
>publicity.
That is an interesting way to think of realization.. learning to believe
your own publicity, from a spiritual standpoint. Interesting idea, thankyou.
>
>Positive thinking is very worthwhile. Ambition is a worthwhile thing. Why
not just term
>yourself "Angelique - the Force Behind all manifestation." Amazing - you
would actually
>consider it. :D
Yes, Lobster, O wise one who always speaks truth. I shall do as you
suggest, try it out.. "I am the force behind all manifestation in my own
life.. " Hmmm.. very much like "I attract that which occurs", or
"everything that is outside is inside."
>I realise that your conception of diety includes me. However I have a
Higher Concept of
>Deity. Is this just a question of semantics?
Perhaps so.. to my perspective, your denial of divinity inside yourself
suggests lack of realization. You would in ego, separate yourself from
Goddess. To my mind, such is impossible illusion.
Why you choose to believe yourself separate puzzles me, as I see the
light inside you shining even thru your email. I accept that this
perspective is your own free will choice. Cool. Have fun.
So, I have stopped responding to your mail, except when you address me
directly. Usually, your purpose in writing is an attempt to tear down my
beliefs. Why you seem to find my beliefs so threatening as to need to
attack them whenever they come up, even while insisting I am of no
importance.. is a contradiction within your own self, for you to sort out.
I suspect, from my experience of similar interactions, it is possible you
are a closet submissive maschochist. Those are usually the only folks who
fix on me in that way, with such issues. I suspect that is why you have a
fixation on humility, tho you do not really write with much humility...
Thus, you have manifested me and my ideas into your life, coz on some
level you need 'em. I don't expect you to agree with this.. coz you are in
denial!! Tee hee!
This perspective of you in no way interferes with my perception of you as
Diety.
Semantics?? To me, one who most values humiliation and suffering, and
seeks it actively, is a submissive maschochist.. yes, that includes lots 'o
christian saints, and tons of holy men in india who stand on one foot
staring at the sun for years.
I accept that their paths are right for them, or they wouldn't be on them.
They are perfect expressions of Goddess, too.
>There is however an area of
>responsibility to those claiming knowledge. You must be judged on your
display of this.
>Fortunately not claiming any superior power, knowledge or heavenly
qualities means I
>have nothing to live up to :)
Uh, slight contradiction here, dude.. you are claiming to have the power
to judge the wisdom, spiritual evolution of another. Thou art God? :D
>Any person who finds value in your expression, whether through amusement,
comfort,
>support, warning or in some other way will gain.
Good enough for me!
>It is the other persons understanding
>which is occult - in that if they unravel your motivation, understand your
clearly
>stated position they will gain a knowing of the spurious. :)
>I am very pleased that my postings are causing you amusement :)
Yup. you crack me up.. you seem to think being more polite means adding
:) to your statements.
If the knowing they will discover is hidden, how can you know if it is
spurious?
I look forward with relish (and butter sauce) to your next litany of
contradictions.. Blessed be!
Love, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:06:25 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>,
Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Enlightened Ego?
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At 05:16 PM 10/22/97 +0000, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> If you take the path of being a sexual healer, most of society will
> treat you with contempt and scorn, denying that you are attempting or
> accomplishing anything worthwhile.
Dear Sweet Angelique,
I take no issue with your chosen path nor you intention to help others.
> Your poetry does not say HOW to accomplish this purification, eh?
It is done with Love - Love of Self.
> Thankyou, Ken, for the gift of your fear for me..
I do not fear you Dear Angelique, I love you.
Now who is afraid?
Sincerely Yours,
Ken
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:16:24
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Enlightened Ego?
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At 13:02 22/10/97 -0700, Ken McFarland wrote:
>At 12:33 AM 10/22/97 +0000, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
>Dearest Angelique,
>
>Is the manipulation and reinforcement
>of another's pain and psychopathology
>an act of love?
>It may "feel right"
>to both the giver and reciever
>what does that mean?
Hiya Ken:
I went off to the website for the 'Society for Human Sexuality' at the
University of Washington, to find you a reference for an update on your
data. BDSM is no longer officially considered a pathology, or illness, as
of a few years ago.
That's not really the point, tho, is it?
Before I found that documentation, my curious finger clicked instead on
this essay.. Goddess is generous, with her comfort... I needed to be
reminded.. I am blessed to serve.
>
> The Path of the Sexual Healer
<a quote.. the entire essay is at :
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~humsex/l/sex/wspsh.txt >
> What to expect from others - and yourself
>
> If you travel the path of sexual healer, you will be both adored and
> despised. It is not for the faint-hearted, and unless you cannot find
> peace anywhere else, choose another path. However, if becoming a
> sexual healer is the only path that soothes your soul, find good
> friends who will support your exploration and learning, and skilled
> teachers to guide you. On this path, you will find great joy and deep
> pain, wrenching sadness and exquisite bliss, an endless gratitude for
> the opportunity to serve life and consciousness. Do your best not to
> take either the adoration or the attacks personally. Sexual healers
> touch all the hopes, desires and fears of others, and many will react
> toward you out of their own unconscious inner conflicts about
> sexuality.
>
> If you take the path of being a sexual healer, most of society will
> treat you with contempt and scorn, denying that you are attempting or
> accomplishing anything worthwhile. Most people will consider you some
> sort of strange, mentally ill slut with delusions of grandeur, even
> those perfectly willing to experience your skill. People apply those
> labels to that which they fear the most within themselves, and you
> will need to open your heart to them too.
>
> While it is very possible to advocate health and choice in sexual
> expression without supporting any sort of nonconsensual behavior, you
> will find it very difficult to talk about sexual health and healing
> without being confronted by people who insist on focusing the
> discussion on predation and ugliness. Open yourself to their pain too,
> and see what happens. If you are serious about sexual healing, you
> will have to learn to gracefully tolerate these attacks without losing
> your focus and balance, and you will have to face and love all your
> own inner demons, too. Whatever part of yourself you love the least
> will stand between you and your ability to serve others with an open
> heart.
>
> As a sexual healer, all your own fears, loneliness, anger, desire,
> grief, pain and attachment will come to the forefront over and over so
> you may relearn the lessons they bring you. You will find yourself
> experiencing every emotion at every intensity again and again. The
> love and appreciation from those you help has the greatest chance of
> damaging your ability to be useful, as it is so intoxicating and feeds
> the ego so dangerously. Love and appreciation is an energy much more
> difficult to balance than anger or fear.
>
> Learn and practice open and honest communication with everyone, and
> you will create less pain and mayhem as a sexual healer.
Tho you might also get called an exhibitionist.. LOL!
> Would that you could know yourself for a time!
>Would that you would see a sign of your own beautiful face!
> Then you would not sleep in water and clay like an animal: You would
>go to the house of joy of all lovely spirits. <snipped>
Like, why would a nice lady like Mother Theresa wanna hang around with
lepers?
Why would Prince Siddharta choose to spend days unwasked naked under a tree?
Why was Christ so nice to the nasty samaritans?
> Like others you would make do with good and evil, you would manage
>with this and that—if, that is, you were only this and that.
> Were you only one stew, you would have a single flavor; were you
>only one pot, you would boil in just one way.
I think, the Rainbow flag would love to adopt this as a freedom of sexual
expression slogan..
> Were you to be purified of this churning agitation, you would reside
>on top of the heavens like those who are pure.
Your poetry does not say HOW to accomplish this purification, eh? Both
Gardnerian witches and Christians used scourging for purification.. Nuns in
cloister, flogging themselves with barbed hooks every night.. won't get
into the "purification' intentions of the Spanish Inquisition... not
consentual!
Instead, I think.. everything is Goddess, everything is sacred. Look for
the sacredness, seek and ye shall find.
Thankyou, Ken, for the gift of your fear for me.. for the gift of your
reflex of denial of the rightness of my path.. it has had the result of
clarifying and reaffirming my intent, and really exposing the minefield I
mentioned, so I can see the mines clearly, and proceed with grace.
Thou art God.. Namaste.. blessings, Mystress.
>
>Sincerely Seeking,
>Ken
>
>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:57:28 -1000 (HST)
From: Rita Ginsberg <RitaG39ATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Starting about 25 years ago, I began a series of spiritual experiences
that changed my perception of the world and life itself. It was an
awakening of my higher Self that lead me searching for answers and truth.
Things began gradually with witnessing my dreams and then awakening
within myself while my body was asleep. I could feel waves of energy,
very warm and comfortable. My experiences were blissful. The
disappointment was when I tried to tell someone the next day and they
didn't understand.
But, the drive to seek answers was strong. I started with Hatha Yogo.
It was my stepping stone. Later, when I experienced the awakened state
again at night, I was awoken by an intense energy focused on my lower
back. It was so overwhelming and strong. I felt uncomfortable, it was
like needles and pins, or vibrating electricity. It started to move up
my spine, and grew stronger. I felt some fear of it as it moved up to
the top of my shoulders. At that moment, I had the desire to get away
from the pain, and at that instant I had that thought I found myself
trying to turn a light on in my bedroom. I could still feel the energy,
but I was not in my body. Then, at that moment, I surrendered myself
to God, and prayed. For a moment, I felt His presence and with my
request, he answered me and the experience was over. I then laid in bed,
in the middle of the night, and I was back to my waking self. I could
hear the early morning birds, and then I pondered the meaning of life...
Thank you for taking the time to read this. This is my first time on this
web page, and I hope to share more experience some time. E-mail is welcome.
RitaG39ATnospamix.netcom.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:55:44 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: RitaG39ATnospamix.netcom.com
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Rita, Hi, I'm Gloria...
Welcome to the sharing list, it sounds like you started in a very
natural way. Night schooling is indeed the way of the seeker, and few
really bring back to the conscious mind all that is happening.
>I started with Hatha Yogo.
> It was my stepping stone. Later, when I experienced the awakened state
> again at night, I was awoken by an intense energy focused on my lower
> back. It was so overwhelming and strong. I felt uncomfortable, it was
> like needles and pins, or vibrating electricity. It started to move up
> my spine, and grew stronger. I felt some fear of it as it moved up to
> the top of my shoulders. At that moment, I had the desire to get away
> from the pain, and at that instant I had that thought I found myself
> trying to turn a light on in my bedroom. I could still feel the energy,
> but I was not in my body. Then, at that moment, I surrendered myself
> to God, and prayed.
Gloria:
Great, this is exactly the inner process that brings the awakening
through, to surrender to God while out of the body and remember it is a
big step.
Check out my homepage and then we will share.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:17:02 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Enlightened Ego?
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Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Love creates and destroys. Seldom is one without the other.. old trees
> fall and make room for new ones to grow.
Creation is real.
Destruction, illusion.
All that appears to be destroyed...illusion.
(the unreal wasn't real to begin with to be detroyed)
> and the precise mix of each that feels like love, is actually a slightly
> different experience for each person. Our perception of love is as
> individual as we are.
The woman that stays with a man that beats the crap out her because
he "loves" her.
Is Love perceivable?
> From the "witness state", love often feels like a particular vibration,
> rather than an emotion.
> Yes.. I resonated with Yogananda's fond descriptions of how often and
> harshly Yukteshwar corrected his students, with sharp tongue and beatings.
> Sometimes a slap upside da head is a kindness, like if you are dealing with
> a hysterical person.
That's nothing by comparison to the teacher I have.
That teacher is Life. Perhaps you've had correspondence?
> The students knew the master's tendencies going in.. they would have
> chosen another teacher if they felt it was inappropriate. It was a
> consensual relationship.
If abuse is part of show consent would be nice.
But Life seems to teach otherwise.
But maybe not.
> Quite a different story than being rude to strangers online and then
> claiming it was support.
Obviously. Can healing occur on the level of ego?
Can we fix a false self into a real self?
> I have been using certain types of carefully applied trauma, to
> facilitate training of positive disassociative states, such as the
> "witness" state of unemotional observation of one's feelings. Spiritual
> growth is often associated with trauma..
Yes, my teacher has the same effect, except it is not usually "carefully
applied" from my perspective.
But, maybe it is.
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