1997/10/22 07:01
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #534
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 534
Today's Topics:
Re: Enlightened Ego?
Re: specialness
the smile of a child.
Re: specialness
RE: 8 Psychic Channels -read this, Marlene!
RE: Pardon my English-NOT!!!
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RE: the smile of a child.
RE: specialness
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:33:04
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Enlightened Ego?
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At 03:06 21/10/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote:
>In the ego experience we are destroyer.
>Love creates.
>
>Is compassion really such a complicated thing?
Sooo..complicated.. yes, it can be.
Love creates and destroys. Seldom is one without the other.. old trees
fall and make room for new ones to grow.
and the precise mix of each that feels like love, is actually a slightly
different experience for each person. Our perception of love is as
individual as we are.
From the "witness state", love often feels like a particular vibration,
rather than an emotion.
>
At 02:34 21/10/97 -0400, TRAITEUSSEATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Yes, but deciding you are qualified to apply these techniques would require
>either a great deal of ego or a great deal of enlightenment. The first
>producing rudeness and harm, the second a helping hand.
>It is only cruelty to apply it when you are unaware of the other person's
>readiness to benefit from it and what direction your method will push the
>student. Especially if that person isn't your student.
>
>TraiteusseATnospamaol.com
>
Yes.. I resonated with Yogananda's fond descriptions of how often and
harshly Yukteshwar corrected his students, with sharp tongue and beatings.
Sometimes a slap upside da head is a kindness, like if you are dealing with
a hysterical person.
The students knew the master's tendencies going in.. they would have
chosen another teacher if they felt it was inappropriate. It was a
consensual relationship.
Quite a different story than being rude to strangers online and then
claiming it was support.
Of course, all of my "seekers", that I train in real life are also
maschochists.. so compassion indeed, takes on forms that would be
considered dark by other folks. They are my students, and they have sought
me out, *because* I use these harsh methods of ego destruction and
discipline. The application of my cane, absolutely feels like love and
caring, to these types. So much so, that it is a reward for good behavior,
rather than a punishment.
I usually do not punish my slaves physically for disobedience.. they
would prefer that I did,.. and lately I find I am wavering with that
decision, which is a pretty big issue for me. Scares the poop outa me, in
fact... my intent is fixed on not doing harm.. and I feel like if I change
my mind, I am about go strolling inna minefield. I wonder what Yukteshwar
would have done with students who begged for the cane..??
To my chagrin, I am discovering that not punishing them is actually more
cruel, and less compassionate.. because what they do to themselves
emotionally in their guilt, leaves deeper scars on their self esteem, that
are harder to find and heal than a bruised butt. Oy! Like that old joke..
the maschochist says "please hurt me", the sadist smiles evilly and says
"No,".. it's not compassionate, to deny pain to a maschochist.
Pain, is also a method of intense physical meditation, very useful for
raising energy to reach higher vibration altered states. Endorphins.
Shamanistic, tho a few threads of connections to ancient lost tantric
shaktipat initiation techniques have been uncovered. If anyone has more
information on this, I'd love to read it!!
I have been using certain types of carefully applied trauma, to
facilitate training of positive disassociative states, such as the
"witness" state of unemotional observation of one's feelings. Spiritual
growth is often associated with trauma.. from NDE's, to childbirth and war.
Light from darkness. It is delicate work.. there must be an atmosphere of
trust to prevent shock reactions, and unwanted negative disassociations..
but as the path is conscious and applied at a pace suited to the student,
it is posible to follow the path to the mental state, learn it, and then be
able to access it at any time. Having learned to access it under duress,
accessing it in calmer moments is more effortless.
I absolutely celebrate the courage of my students, to choose to evolve by
moving straight into and thru the pain and fear. Under my guidance, they
learn the secrets of surrender, love and gratitude that transforms the
sensations to ecstatic bliss.. when that becomes reflex, it is applied to
emotional hurts as well.
K. won't give you more than you can handle, and niether will I.. but it
will test to the limits at times. Being "tested" by me in my Goddess state,
is good practice for the tests and challenges awakened K. presents.
Kind of like folks who take "Outward Bound" courses to develop inner
strength. We grow from challenges.
When I chose to become a pro Domina, I had no idea these discoveries lay
before me.. but I didn't know I was a shaktipat Mater before I became a
Domina, either.. such a strange path, this winding river..
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:59:36 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: specialness
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Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Connection to the Divine is up to the Divine, IMHO, and it is not limited
> by our ideas of limitation, as you suggest. Most in this listspace have
> been spontaneously awakened.. Goddess chooses to intrude upon consciousness
> as She will. She hears our logical and analytical thoughts/choices, in Her
> way. To read this, I feel that you are trying to apply limits to what
> Cosmic Consciousness is capable of.. LOL!
Most of the people on this list are no more awake then people who have had interesting,
unusual or stimulating experiences of one kind or another. How do I know that? Guess it
must be my divine powers - no - no need, just watch some of the reactions and squeals
of protest of the 'Awakened' - make up your own mind . . . However I have noticed a more
mature, balanced and genuine spirit in peoples questioning and responses - which is to
be commended. Maybe I should join this appraoch . . . :)
The difference between those who are awake and those who are not is very simple: The
'awake' are not concerned with their mind state (or with the assertion that they may be
asleep) but with their relationship to Reality and the possibility of further awakening.
> The first step along the path to enlightenment, is usually a logical
> one.. a choice to pursue a certain goal, for the rewards it promises. All
> of those desires/attchments must be given up, in the end, to reach the
> goal, but they are nevertheless important steps to getting there.
I appreciate that you consider yourself a goddess Angelique, are you also claiming
enlightenment and what is the latest on the second oddest soul position :)
> Finally, I came to the simple conclusion, that I had been given a glimpse
> of self as limitless soul. Awesome.
Awesome indeed.
> From a list Mystress point.. it is an ethic on this list, to respect the
> many diverse paths of awakening experience.. as being correct for the folks
> who practice them, in the interests of harmony and ongoing debate. There
> are many "occultists" like myself on this list.. and we do indeed find
> value in such things, whether you think they are "distractions" or not!
Occultist?
What variety of snake is this? Occult means hidden. I would consider yours more a
position of spiritual exhibitionism (I mean that most kindly). Inadvertently I feel you
offer people a great deal of teaching.
> You are welcome to speak of your own experiences.. I hope you do, but
> you cannot speak for me, coz you are not me, and have not had my experiences.
> thankyou for sharing your opinions of reality.. do you have any
> exeperiences of your own with which to back up your assertions? Or do you
> make these assertions out of a frustration with a lack of spiritual
> experience in your life?
Oh Angelique, do you ask such questions from your Goddess form, Hire Self, Dispossesed
or some other Channel. You ask for respect for your beliefs and then question the
veracity of others experiences :D
Blessed Be
Lobster
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:10:29
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: ks-listATnospamnbn.com
Subject: the smile of a child.
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I have a slave who has been with me on a part time basis for a few
years. Recently, I was doing some grounding work with him, to help him sort
out some situations in his life that were troubling him.
Deeply grounded, he managed to sort things, and he was still glowing
softly when I was impulsed to ask him if we had met in a past life before..
the tale he told, that came out of my questions I found very moving.
In another life, he was a scribe, in a monastery. As a young man, he had,
in passing, briefly seen a small peasant girl, who smiled at him.. a huge
brilliant mischevious radiant smile that said "I know a secret!!" .. that
smile impacted him tremendously, with a spark of light that upset his comfy
world perspective so completely that he went into the Monastery and became
a scribe in hopes of finding a way to shut the light off.
Awakened, in that lifetime, by the smile of a child.
The little peasant girl, was me. Serpent.
Goddess moves in mysterious ways.
Blessings.
"How many sorrows
do you try to hide?
in the world of illusion
that's covering your mind?
I'll show you something good..
Oh I'll show you something good..
when you open your mind
you'll discover the sign
that there's something
you're longing to find..
A miracle of love..
will take away your pain..
when a miracle of love..
comes your way again."
Eurythmics, "A miracle of love."
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 03:06:46
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: specialness
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At 00:59 22/10/97 -0700, Lobster wrote:
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
>I appreciate that you consider yourself a goddess Angelique, are you also
claiming
>enlightenment and what is the latest on the second oddest soul position :)
Fake it till ya make it, baby!!
How powerful can an "I Am" statement be? More effective than an "I wanna
be" statement, I think.. LOL!
I am also claiming to be a Boddhisativa (or is it a cannibas sativa?)
even tho I'm not sure how to spell it. At least I am not alone in that
one.. Ram said it of me, before me, and oddly enough, a vedic horoscope I
had cast, recently, says so, too.. huh. Go figure.. at least it explains
all those awakened past lives memories.
Um,.. what else..?? Oh, I've been claiming to be a Shaktipat Mater, too..
that one's been proven over and over, tho.. it was true of me before I knew
it.
By the way, I consider you a God also, whether you think yourself one, or
not. Perhaps someday you will think so yourself .. then my statements will
make more sense to you. Or not. Whatever pleases you, your Holiness.. I say
I am Goddess without saying thou art God also, coz how can I speak for you?
Namaste.
>
>Occultist?
>What variety of snake is this? Occult means hidden. I would consider yours
more a
>position of spiritual exhibitionism (I mean that most kindly).
Inadvertently I feel you
>offer people a great deal of teaching.
Sweetie, if you think my list posts are exhibitionistic, imagine what the
rest of me is like!! Or wait for the video to come out..8P-
Is it my teachings, or your feelings that are inadverdant? Or both..?
Inadvertantly I have been teaching Lobster about offering feelings..
If my teaching is inadverdant, then it is hidden, and therefore occult,
eh? So what's yer problem?
>
You ask for respect for your beliefs and then question the
>veracity of others experiences :D
I didn't question the veracity of his experiences, I asked if he'd had
any. Not the same thing, eh? I debated his beliefs.. that is what the list
is for? I don't think I was impolite or disrespectful. Was I? I may be a
sadistic controlling bitch in real life, but I do try my best to be a nice
friendly goddess, online.. if I am not, my computer crashes.
>
>Blessed Be
>Lobster
>
>ARC
>http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
>
>
Bless you, Lobster.. I love you so much!! .. you inspired the absolutely
brilliant title for my book.. I was gonna call it "The World Invisible",
coz SM folks are an invisible closeted minority.. uh, except for
exhibitionist me, that is.. :D and psychic stuff is invisible...
instead, I am going to call it "Fuck Off, I Know What I Am Talking About."
Every time I think of that title, I laugh and laugh.. you bring such joy
to my life, you have no idea..
Blessings, Mystress Serpent the Ancient Goddess of inadverdant teachings.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:17:30 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM>
To: "'kundalini-l-dATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-l-dATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: 8 Psychic Channels -read this, Marlene!
Message-ID: <01BCDEDC.16BBA960ATnospamtomb.dev.PhoneLink.COM>
Mystress,
You have raised some Thing very important. Hmmmm....I shall meditate upon it further!
Tom
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From: Mystress Angelique Serpent[SMTP:mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com]
Sent: 21 October 1997 17:39
To: Tom Bradley
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: 8 Psychic Channels -read this, Marlene!
But what if ya don't HAVE a penis??!!
Marlene, do you have a penis??
Well, technically I own my slaves' bits.... so I have 3 penises.. but
that makes these instructions turn into a wierd game of "Twister".
LOL!!
Thanks for the info, anyways...
Blessings, Mystress.
At 12:51 21/10/97 +-100, Tom Bradley wrote:
>>
>> The eight main psychic channels:
>>
>> 1 tu mo
>> Channel of control that rises from the base of the penis and passes the
coccyx up the backbone to the
>> brain
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:23:00 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>
To: "'BedawnedATnospamaol.com'" <BedawnedATnospamaol.com>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Pardon my English-NOT!!!
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Dear Melissa,
Thanks for your Celtic solidarity! English hubris is irritating, isn't it? Reminds me of when a couple of my friends were traveling in a train compartment and conversing in Welsh, and an English lady actually turned round and tried to tell them off for not speaking English. What the hell?! I'm happy to say that I have some Irish blood in me as well, and some of my family on the Welsh side settled in Uticah. And you're right, there does seem to be a stronger sense of community amongst the Irish and the Welsh than there does in English locations.
Cymru am byth! (Wales forever!)
Tom
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From: BedawnedATnospamaol.com[SMTP:BedawnedATnospamaol.com]
Sent: 21 October 1997 22:05
To: tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Pardon my English-NOT!!!
Dear Tom!
You've got a sympathetic ear here. I was telling an acquaintence about my
Irish heritage, you know, stuff like when exactly my Irish immigrant
ancestors came to America. HE being of English descent said, "Oh, so you're
English, too."
I wanted to spit. AS IF! I was far too flustered to conjure some cutting,
barbaric (befitting the Irish :) retort. And I marveled that he, who was
just as American as me would inherit as part of his mindset the domineering,
arrogant, nationalistic HUBRIS of the English (at least historically), the
what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine attitude. Geesh.
Another thing, the Englishman who Went Up a Hill and Down a Mountain is one
of my best loved films. It was the first sense I got of Welsh pride...and
it's a beautiful tribute to community. A great story, almost made me wish I
was Welsh. :)
Irishly yours, Melissa
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:54:52 PDT
From: "Shaillee Juneja" <sjunejaATnospamhotmail.com>
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Please take my name off the list.
My adress on the list is junejaATnospamonline.emich.edu.
Shaillee
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:30:17 +1000
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
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Subject: RE: the smile of a child.
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From: Mystress Angelique Serpent [SMTP:mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:10 PM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Subject: the smile of a child.
I have a slave who has been with me on a part time basis for a few
years. The little peasant girl, was me.
[>] Another half witted idiot contribution.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:48:29 +1000
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: specialness
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From: Mystress Angelique Serpent [SMTP:mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com]
RE: specialness
Connection to the Divine is up to the Divine, IMHO, and it is not limited
by our ideas of limitation, as you suggest.
[>] Ridiculous nonsense. If your mind is inclined to materialistic endeavours of course it will limit itself. If your mind is inclined to occult mumbo jumbo then you will weaken yourself just as an alcoholic does. Your own snake will strangle you with your own misguided serpentine force.
Most in this listspace have
been spontaneously awakened.
[>]
Many in the new age movement have been deathened rather than awakened by plain Idiocy.
. Goddess chooses to intrude upon consciousness
as She will. She hears our logical and analytical thoughts/choices, in Her
way.
[>]
Her/His way is not limited to any way. He/She knows all secrets.
S/He is within you through and through indissolubly (ota) and pervasively (prota) and so is S/He in each and every pore of each and every entity of this universe. With a desire to know and understand Him/Her, think, reflect and meditate deeply and constantly. You shall attain Him/Her.
The Supreme Noumenal entity is always with you. And that link with the individual is known as OTA-YOGA. In case of collectivity it is PROTA-YOGA; in case of individual it is OTA-YOGA. The link with you is always both Prota and Ota. You are never alone. And your only goal is that noumenal entity, and no number two or number three or number four, no gods or goddesses; only the singular entity, the God of all gods.
To read this, I feel that you are trying to apply limits to what
Cosmic Consciousness is capable of.. LOL!
[>] People limit themselves by thinking it is capable of occultism as a goal and wierd and wonderful heat meditations and useless pursuits and the like. Tantric sexual indulgence and whiplashing is nothing to aspire towards.
in higher truths. The path to
the Divine, is a path created of logical steps, persuasions accepted,
choices made logically as well as intuitively.
[>]
The path and goal are only ever one. Dualistic religions and occultism will make a fool of people by creating dualistic endeavours, ie I can have my own way and that will be progress. Here there is a separation between I and the Supreme.
If not, why would we have volumes of spiritual writings to help guide our
path? These would be effectively useless, if there cannot be any connection
between personal consciousness and cosmic consciousness.
[>]
"Who am I?".
[>]
A window opened, I fell thru it.. I tripped into a sense of self that was
nameless, limitless, ineffable, older than time.. my awareness streached to
the limits, could comprehend only a teeny tiny portion of this sudden
vastness.. which was adamant in response to my queries, that It was Me! I
contemplated this mystery for over a year, looking for a name for this
Goddess, tho she had been clear that no name could represent Her
vastness..even my application of gender, is a mental limitation of Her ....
but makes Her easier to identify with, as self, at this time.
[>] It is a fundamental spiritual experience, the issue then is to follow it through and do something about it.
Finally, I came to the simple conclusion, that I had been given a glimpse
of self as limitless soul. Awesome.
[>]
Then how to achieve the liberation into that state permanently? The Death of all deaths.
I think it took me so long to get to this conclusion, becuase my earliest
christian religous teachings seemed to describe the soul as a fragile thing
that could be harmed by human actions..
[>]
The mind is harmed by human action, as it creates reactive momenta due to cause and effect principle. Unit soul is the same as Supreme Soul. Mind in format of ego hinders this truth. Overcome it by seeing Supreme Consciousness in what you are doing and in what is done.
From a list Mystress point.. it is an ethic on this list, to respect the
many diverse paths of awakening experience..
[>]
There can never be an ethic to respect plain irrational nonsense. That would hinder the human quest for liberation. It would hinder social growth and social revolution/evolution.
as being correct for the folks
who practice them,
[>]
That approach lacks discrimination and thwarts intellectual development by creating dogma. New age movement is full of it because society preaches spiritual capitalism which is what was taught by escaping to the Himalayas centuries ago. Occultism is the same escape.
What type of people preach this sort of dogma? The answer is - the blind followers of religion say it like that. It is quite natural for religion to say all kinds of dogmatic things. That's why people say - there is no room for logic in religion. But genuine Dharma is completely based on logic, supported by intellect. In case of Dharma people are convinced by logic; and people analyse and accept it after free and frank discussion and accordingly start moving in the path of life. The question is - how can people follow something which is not properly understood by them? Now another question is - whether one can get redemption from sins or not? It is said:
" Unless the requital of one's reactive momenta is undergone one cannot attain salvation. In the connection the fixed rule is that good actions bring good results and bad deeds bring bad results. And these unserved 'samskaras' or potential reactions must be served."
But on the other hand Lord Krs'n'a has also declared by way of consoling the human beings, "However sinful (dura'ca'ra) a person may be, if he comes under my shelter I will certainly save him from all his sins. I will help him to attain liberation or salvation."
Here a 'dura'ca'ra' means a person whose actions are opposed to ideology, whose thoughts and activities are ultravires to morality, justice and the spirit of dharma.
Occultists fall into this arena.
Who performs action? It is the human mind which performs action. It is the human mind which is the cause of bondage or liberation. If the mind is in bondage the person is also in bondage. Similarly, if mind is liberated the person is also liberated. After all it is the human mind which is engaged in auspicious actions. Now if this mind is kept engrossed in the ideation of Purity of Supreme Consciousness then mind gets totally merged in consciousness. In that case where is the scope for virtue or vice for that person?
Until and unless and ordinary human intellect is not elevated to the level of this pinnacled intellect or apexed intellect, till then the continuous rise and fall of innumerable vibrations inside the human body continues. These psychic vibrations are sometimes the vibrations of virtue or the vibrations of vice, or the vibrations of sinful deeds or the vibrations of reaction of virtuous deeds. Unless the human mind is pointed this rise and fall of psychic vibrations will continue in succession. The moment the mind is pointed, the moment the mind is centered in God Consciousness (not dualistic occultism) then that mind will naturally get pin-pointed. In that state there is no scope for the rise and fall of any wave - neither the wave of virtue nor the wave of vice. Hence a person who has taken the cosmic shelter goes far above the scope of virtue or vice. This is something very natural.
So Krs'n'a has rightly said that, "Even if a die-hard criminal comes in my shelter, I will save him from all the sins, I will see to it that the person attains liberation or salvation. Hence no-one, no spiritual aspirant - however black or despicable one's past life might be, should be worried about anything." This statement is unalterable, inviolable. This statement is neither a philosophical assertion nor any dogma. Then what sort of statement is this? It is clear and simple. It conveys the idea that human beings should not be worried under any circumstances. Supreme Consciousness is always with everyone. If one has love for God the door of liberation or salvation for human beings will immediately open.
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