1997/10/21 12:52
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #532
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 532
Today's Topics:
RE: 8 Psychic Channels -read this, Marlene!
Re: A question about a change for the worse
Re: A question about a change for the worse
Re: A question about a change for the worse
RE: specialness
RE: channeling
RE: channeling
RE: Warnings
RE: A question about a change for the worse
Re: Please remove from mailing list
Please remove me from list
Re: Please remove from mailing list
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Please snip your posts!!
MrNamaste reincarnates
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:51:55 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: 8 Psychic Channels -read this, Marlene!
Message-ID: <01BCDE20.1D3A21C0ATnospamtomb.dev.PhoneLink.COM>
Marlene,
It's not that I hate the English (why, some of my best friends are English .. !), just that, given the composition of this list (predominantly American) you might have a view of us all as 'Brits'. As you see we're not. The Welsh saying about an every Englishman being an asshole is a humorous saying of ours (although one with a strong grain of truth!) - and does spiritual advancement mean that you can't see a joke? How can I hate the English when I've got a degree in their literature and speak their language everyday? At the same time, don't have a rose-tinted anglophile view of English culture - it's arrogant, intolerant and imperialist - you Americans got rid of them in 1776 but we still have to deal with them! I seriously have got lots of better things to do with my personal time than expend negative nationalist hatred out at the world. My mind is set on things more ethereal. I was just giving you a little cultural background. And when you're an embattled culture trying to retain a language that predated English by around a thousand years or more, it is a tendency to define yourself against those who would like to see our culture die, and tried to make that happen. But relax, we're peaceful people, not like the Serbs, Irish or Algierians.
Remember Tibet!!*
Thomas Bradley
*All the spiritual goodness in the world isn't stopping their cultural genocide. The meek don't inherit the earth, they get put in concentration camps and gassed.
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From: Marlene[SMTP:wizardATnospamtig.com.au]
Sent: 21 October 1997 22:32
To: Tom Bradley
Subject: Re: 8 Psychic Channels
On 21 Oct 97 at 10:21, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com wrote:
Dear, dear, dear,
I think you will have to rid yourself of the hate for the English,
before you can get very far in your spiritual life my freind.
Best wishes and Namaste
> Dear Antoine,
>
> It's my birthday today, so I'm in a chatty mood! Thank you for your words the other day. I would certainly like to experience the energetic transfer you suggested, but we'll have to wait a while u>
> And that's where the narrative becomes personal to me. I've moved near to Liverpool because here's where the computer programming work is, and not in a mountainside enclave. At the same time, I ho>
> To me, urban areas are no-man's-land, but there are certain advantages to being here in the short term - access to are large society, segments of which have the same ideals as I have, much in the sa>
> You asked me about the eight psychic channels or a reference. Perhaps I was using terminology obscurely and out of context, and you will likely have encountered this in some guise in your research >
> The primary source for what I'm transcribing now is from the third chapter of Taoist Yoga by Lu K'uan Yu, who I believe you already know about. He also talks about it in Secrets of Chinese Meditati>
> Anyway, here's the details:
>
>
> The eight main psychic channels:
>
> 1 tu mo
> Channel of control that rises from the base of the penis and passes the coccyx up the backbone to the
> brain
>
> 2 jen mo
> Channel of function rises from the base of the penis and goes up along the belly, passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest and throat, before going up to the brain
>
> 3 tai mo
> Belt channel from both sides of the navel forms a belt which circles the belly
>
> 4 ch'ung mo
> Thrusting channel rises from the base of the penis, goes up between the tu mo and jen mo channels and ends in the heart
>
> 5 the yang yu or positive arm channels in the outer sides of both arms link both shoulders with the centers of the palms after passing through the middle fingers
>
> 6 the yin yu or negative arm channels in the inner sides of both arms link the centers of the palms with the chest
>
> 7 the yang chiao or positive leg channels rise from the centers of the soles and turn along the outer sides of the ankles and legs before reaching the base of the penis where they connect other chann>
> 8 the yin chao or negative leg channels rise from the centers of the soles and turn along the inner sides of the ankles and legs before reaching the base of the penis where they connect other channe>
>
> These eight main channels, when free from obstructions, are interlocked to form with their ramifications, a network through which the generative force flows freely and then the vital breath circulate>
>
>
>
> These are the details of the practice to develop the unrestricted circulation of vital breath:
>
> 1. Breathe in to drive the (vital) breath into the channel of control (tu mo in the spinal column) from its base up to the brain.
>
> 2. Breathe out to lower the (vital) breath in the channel of function (jen mo in the front of the body) and return it to the mortal cavity.
> 3. Breathe in to raise it (in the jen mo or channel of function) from the mortal cavity to the cavity of vitality (or lower t'an tien) and to the navel where the tai mo or belt channel starts from b> 4. Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders
down into the (positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists to the middle fingers before reaching the centers of both palms where it> 5. Breathe in to lift the (vital) breath from the centers of both palms into the (negative) yin yu chan
nels in the inner sides of both wrists up to the chest where it stops.
> 6. Breathe out to drive the (vital) breath down to the belt channel where its two branches re-unite before returning to the mortal cavity.
> 7. Breathe in to lift it from the mortal cavity into the thrusting channel (ch'ung mo) up to the chiang kung cavity (solar plexus under the heart) where it stops; on no account should it rise above > 8. Breathe out to send it from under the heart dow
n to the mortal cavity where it divides into two to descend in the two positive ch'iao channels on the outer sides of the thighs and through the toe> 9 Breathe in to raise it from the soles of the feet into the negative ch'iao channels in the inner sid
es of the legs up to the mortal cavity and thence to the cavity of vitality (below the nave> 10Breath out to lower it from the cavity of vitality to the mortal cavity where it stops [T.B>.note - I assume that the mortal cavity is the same as the bas
e of the penis he referred to earlier.]
>
>
>
> "The vital breath should circulate in all the eight psychic channels in order to clear all cavities of negative impurities which hinder preparation of the golden elixir.
>
> "If the above exercise is done daily causing (vitality to ) vibrate in the channels, this shows that they are cleared of all impurities. "
>
>
> As you see Antoine, it's an involved yet potentially rewarding meditation practice. I'd love to hear your thougts about this exercise. I am also looking forward to letting you know of my progress >
> Best wishes,
> Thomas Bradley
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:24:00 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "anandajyoti" <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>, <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
Cc: "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A question about a change for the worse
Message-Id: <9710211519.AA04737ATnospamns.valunet.com>
> David Bozzi wrote:
>
> > E Jason wrote:
> > > The
> > > author of the Karma Sutra (a Holy Man) was renowned for his hot
'temper'. Many
> > > Tantrikas and Sadhus are extremely fierce and 'abusive'.
> >
> > A tree is known by the fruit it bears.(or does not)
> >
> > Is this behavior indicative of Love?
**********
****************
It's called tough love.
remember. the student went to the teacher, the teacher is free to respond.
*
*
Drew
" So Far : So Good "
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:27:55 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <TRAITEUSSEATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A question about a change for the worse
Message-Id: <9710211519.AB04737ATnospamns.valunet.com>
> Shoving a person into the water to learn to swim only works if there is
water
> there.
>
> TraiteusseATnospamaol.com
**********
**********************
I would say that shoving a person into the water to learn to swim only
works if he does not drowned.
*
*
Drew
" So Far : So Good "
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:55:24 +0200
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A question about a change for the worse
Message-Id: <C1256537.0046A651.00ATnospamais.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>> Shoving a person into the water to learn to swim only works if there is
>water
>> there.
>>
>> TraiteusseATnospamaol.com
>********
**
>**********************
>
>I would say that shoving a person into the water to learn to swim only
>works if he does not drowned.
>
>*
>*
>Drew
>" So Far : So Good "
Every one who learns to swim has been "almost" drowned at some stage in the
swimming training, be it accidental or by way of rigorous training. We
learn much
faster in tough real-life situations than through a gradual continuous
trained process.
We are all swimmers in the ocean of life. We would never drown, we only
have to
recollect and remember our skills......
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:17:41 +1000
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: specialness
Message-ID: <01BCDE7C.3FA63760ATnospampppclient8.canberra.edu.au>
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Webb [SMTP:shawebbATnospamyhc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 3:15 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: specialness
Time and space do not exist on the etheric levels where such
visualizations work to effect our reality..
[>] I have to comment here that ether and consciousness are not the same thing.
The quinquelmental world is made of five fundamental elements (ether, aerial/gas, luminous, liquid, solid).
Ether ( Vyoma ) is the subtlest of these five elements. Due to its extreme subtleness the Vyomatattva is able to prove its existence only through sound inference. Except for this Vyomatattva, the remaining four elements you can easily make out with the help of your crude organs.
The Supreme Consciousness, however, is subtler than all the five elements. How can the senses apprehend this Consciousness when they cannot easily catch the subtle Vyomotattva ?
The Consciousness is beyond the scope of mental or supramental spheres; for the object of the mental or supramental spheres is the five elements or their semblances.
Visualisations, like all occult phenomena are mere distractions in the pursuit of the more important objective.
One is unable to reach the Cosmic Consciousness with the help of analytical mind. Visualisations are simply that.
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:28:26 +1000
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: channeling
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria Greco [SMTP:lodpressATnospamintercomm.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 9:12 PM
You can read anything from the occult and also the eastern religions,
as well as the bible, but I know from experience that yes demons are
very real
[>]
Sound like an overdose of LSD.
The Yama said, "But the mind of the man, who hath got the opportunity to know and ingest this Supreme Science from a knower of Truth, geteth not agitated by irrelevant arguments,".
S/he who is convinced that ghosts are the play of the subconscious mind, is not afraid of them nor is s/he ever subject to any theophanic or demoniacal paroxysm or trance. An ignorant wo/man, believing in the existence of ghosts or various kinds of gods, evolves a similar sentimental momentum in his mind, and be it due to his concentration or any of his weak moments, the activity of the crude mind gets suspended for the time being and then that sentimental momentum, becoming manifest in his mind's eye. S/he thinks as though he is really seeing so and so spirit or god, or the said spirit or god has spoken to him such and such words.
*When the subtler layers/cell of the mind gets self-hypnotized, the wo/man thinks, as if he himself has become so and so spirit or so and so god - colloquially a temporary paroxysmal demonomania or theomania.
But in the mind of a wo/man, who has understood the thing through knowledge or has seen with his cognitive vision that spirits and gods and deities are the visionary products of weakness, born of ignorance, such superstitions cannot have a foot-hold, and so he will not see spirits nor will he be possessed by them.
No matter how much he listens to the yarns of ghosts, he will never believe in their existence.
Dexterous story-telling or the emotion-exciting language of the storyteller may give him a little jitters or a little horripilation for a short while and no more. Similarly, there are many that get funked of the ghosts, seeing extraordinary and queer things like suspension of a cot in the air or the throwing of bones through sorcery or necromancy. But he who knows that these are but the plays of the astral mind, does not get upset at all, rather he tries to single out these anti-social criminals for the rectification of their nature.
So said the Yama, "With the attainment of true knowledge all the extroversive factors of Avidya (negativity) disappeareth from the presence of man."
He further said, "O Naciketa! Thou art eager to establish thyself in truth. Thou art the fittest man to learn the introversive knowledge. Thou alone shalt be able to ensconce thyself in the Truth. Just as there is no difference between the sun and its radiance, similarly there is none between Brahma and Truth. The rank of both is immutable and imperishable. But knowest thou, Naciketa, my rank/transitory form is not imperishable or eternal. It is transitory."
What did the Yama mean by the above observation? Yama is the prototype of restraint. Naciketa is the seeker of Truth - seeker of Brahma and so he is the prototype of a Sadhaka or spiritual aspirant. The Yama is the controller of this evolved world.
[>] "But, O Naciketa, thou only covetest the true knowledge. Thou art eager to merge thyself in that self-same Truth, the Objectless Entity. Naciketa! Thou art great - thou alone art great." - Patna, Caetrapurnima, 1956.
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:26:23 +1000
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: channeling
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-----Original Message-----
From: anandajyoti [SMTP:anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 3:02 PM
David Bozzi wrote:
> anandajyoti wrote:
>
Buddha himself never uttered a word on God. His realization was "Suyanta"the great void.
He showed the way to Buddhahood, and social participation, through the practice of
Dharma.
[>] > So it is
> no coincidence that Buddhism nowadays is a huge deluded mess, for its
> origins can be traced back to the deludeness within the Buddha > himself.
Why did India accept Buddhism? There are various reasons for this and the main ones are as follows.
Firstly, The scholars never preached philosophy to the common people. They hated the language of the common people.
Secondly, there was no eminent philosopher at the time of the acceptance of Buddhism.
Thirdly, the people in general were not ready to accept the pandits or scholars.
Fourthly, the A'caryas of that age, Shrii Sainjaya and Shrii Gaya' Kashyapa, could not convince Shrii Buddha. All these factors led to the wide propagation and acceptance of Buddhism.
Buddhism believes in the rebirth and transmigration of souls, so the question arises,who is reborn if there is no Supreme Soul (A'tman)? This question became a point of controversy among the Bhiks'u and later among the Maha'ya'nii scholars.
Buddhism believes in Karmaphala ar the reaction of actions. If karmaphala is accepted the question arises who performs karma or actions and who gets the karmaphala. Therefore, the existence of A'tman has got to be recognized.
Towards the end of Buddhas life some of his disciples asked Buddha about the existence of God. They asked two questions: "Does God exist?" and "Is it a fact that God does not exist?" In reply to both questions Buddha remained silent. As Buddha remained silent to both the questions some of his disciples interpreted that there is no God. Another section of disciples understood that God exists. Yet a third section came forward with the interpretation that there is a God, but God is beyond the expression of Asti and Na'sti or "is" and "is not"; that is God's existence is inexplicable. Actually God is supramental.
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:03:29 +1000
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'E Jason'" <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Warnings
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-----Original Message-----
From: E Jason [SMTP:vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 5:11 AM
This depends on the Path. In some genuine systems the development of occult powers is
sought because these produce at the same time mind states and experiences that will
develop the individual.
[>] Generally, occult powers are part of the psychic circus and toys for yogis on drugs.
> "Out of the grace of the supreme, the universe has emerged; due to
> His grace, the universe preserves its existence; and because of His grace,
> everything will finally dissolve in Him."
And people are impressed when they can turn water to gold - laughable. There is only one
transmutation worthy of note and that is turn yourself into a Real Human Being.
[>] Fact is human beings die leave their bodies and the like. So obviously that cannot the real human being. Likewise expression of mind is a relative phenomenon and needs a physical vehicle so expression of mind is also not absolute. Thus the unit mind must dissolve into the Cosmic Mind/Consciousness. That is the whole point of meditation. The question of human being/form becomes a non issue. One form, customs, manner, society must all of course be developed but that is not the goal. These are all relative. Relativity can never be the goal. Through spiritual practice one also develops the human being, but why develop only the human being when the objective is more than that.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:01:00 +1000
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'Kundalini'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: A question about a change for the worse
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Bozzi [SMTP:david.bozziATnospamsnet.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 12:02 PM
To: Kundalini
Subject: Re: A question about a change for the worse
Many
> Tantrikas and Sadhus are extremely fierce and 'abusive'.
Is this behavior indicative of Love?
[>] Most certainly can be. Controlled anger in the spirit of welfare can be very effective in removing an aspirant's lethargy.
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:10:21 EDT
From: PoliticsME <PoliticsMEATnospamaol.com>
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Subject: Re: Please remove from mailing list
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Please remove my name from your list.
Sincerely
Belinda
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:39:21 PDT
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To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Please remove me from list
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:34:17 EDT
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:50:38 -0400
From: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: MrNamaste reincarnates
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Attached as I have become to the current incarnation... bordering on
addiction even, maybe??
Must you?? Will you have evolved all that much???
>>
>>INDRA ---- Hi, there!
>>
>>MrNamaste needs to be "reincarnated" --- I'm gonna set up a different
>>account with a different name ----SNIP------------
>
>looking forward to seeing you publish again under your re-incarnated name
>
>
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