1997/10/20 14:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #529
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 529
Today's Topics:
Re: specialness
Re: malaise fever/outside
re: specialness
Re: Guru
A question about a change for the worse
Re: PLEASE READ
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: HRTZEN: life as endless loop
Re: malaise fever
Re: channeling
Mailing list
Modern Major General . . .
Re: malaise fever[onion skins]
Re: Modern Major General . . .
Query about Descartes
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:44:42
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
Cc: <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>, "Kundalini" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"Spirit-Mind-Body" <spirit-mind-bodyATnospamtikipub.com>,
"Self Knowledge List" <selfknow-lATnospamspiritweb.org>
Subject: Re: specialness
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At 09:59 18/10/97 -0400, F. Drew Leyda wrote:
>
>This is a very powerful thought. The first thought it invokes from me is
>that Enlightenment is not something that needs to be found, it is something
>we already have and just needs to be noticed.
Yes! I think so, too.. the universe is already perfect, and we go thru a
process of learning to believe it enough to really see it that way.
>
>P.S. I was a breach birth baby
Me too! A week late and backwards..
>and often get the cart before the horse.
Uh, Saggitarian, we partly become the horse, and skip the cart
altogether.... LOL!
>Would you say energy travels from the Earth up through the body to the Sky
>or from the Sky down through the body to the Earth ?
>
>Drew
>
It goes both ways, at once, IMHO. I image a circut of energy moving
between Higher Self and planet and back and forth, and I am suspended on
that circut, being fed from both sources, and the light/information of my
thoughts and my experiences are being carried on the circut, shared above
and below. The information of all creation is flowing thru me, always. My
feet tingle.
To begin the circut, I send a pulse of love/light/gratitude skywards, and
it returns from the One, multiplied many times, to flow thru me into the
centre of the Earth, where it gets mulitplied again by Her love, and sent
back up through me skywards...
I also am aware, too, tho.. that this visualization is information: a
coded language of symbolism telling my being to open to more light, and
when I keep it in my awareness I feel wonderful grounded and connected to
Knowingness and joy..
But.. it is an illusion. It must be.. I think..
Time and space do not exist on the etheric levels where such
visualizations work to effect our reality.. so really, there can be no
going there or coming here of anything, there is only here and now. We
imagine connecting with energies coming from outside, and it feels
wonderful and good.. because the images send messages that are understood
by the deep parts of our being that choose how much light/love we may allow
ourselves to bear.. how much of perfection we may see... but the cosmic
truth is that everything we think is outside is also inside of us. So where
is all of this energy really coming from?
Blessings of Paradox, Mystress.
>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:14:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: malaise fever/outside
Message-Id: <199710201714.MAA13759ATnospamdfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
Valerie -- I can't say I've completely licked this one because, like
other K'ites, I suspect, my sensitivity is both the best and worst
thing about me. I have come to understand, though, that the
"permanently inadequate to be alive" mindset is basically a mantra I
use when I am too tired or frightened to do the work of keeping my
heart open. I'm embarrassed to admit that it wasn't till my mid-40s
that I finally committed to living with my heart as open as I could get
it because life just wasn't worth living any other way. Mostly I find
that I close up when I can't bear the simple state of being
disappointed. It's too shameful somehow. When I finally allow myself
to live where I actually am (why is this so HARD!), the negativity
dissolves and what people are actually giving me seems abundant. Love,
Holly
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:15:23 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: re: specialness
Message-Id: <199710201725.NAA27108ATnospamhoboken>
Angelique,
You wrote"
----------
I also am aware, too, tho.. that this visualization is information: a
coded language of symbolism telling my being to open to more light, and
when I keep it in my awareness I feel wonderful grounded and connected to
Knowingness and joy..
But.. it is an illusion. It must be.. I think..
Time and space do not exist on the etheric levels where such
visualizations work to effect our reality.. so really, there can be no
going there or coming here of anything, there is only here and now. We
imagine connecting with energies coming from outside, and it feels
wonderful and good.. because the images send messages that are understood
by the deep parts of our being that choose how much light/love we may allow
ourselves to bear.. how much of perfection we may see... but the cosmic
truth is that everything we think is outside is also inside of us. So where
is all of this energy really coming from?
-----------
You are truly wise and wonderful. :-)
Love,
Sharon
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:08:16 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Guru
Message-ID: <344B9E10.C31ATnospammail.snet.net>
Dharmadeva wrote:
> A person in prison with his hands and feet shackled will never be
> able to set himself free in spite of his best efforts, unless some one
> else opens the prison gates and removes his shackles.
Or, by the grace of the Divine, he may simply realize the
prison, the chains, and the boundary of his very body are all illusion.
Here is direct remembering imparted by "Master."
Master lies in the Heart.
A brother may point, but your brother must drink for Himself of Himself.
Blessings
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:29:42 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A question about a change for the worse
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I've been on the road for a while and am doing some slow catching up.
One post from a couple of weeks ago got me to thinking about a new,
seemingly popular, concept, who's logic totally escapes me. So I thought
I'd ask.
Back then an exchange involving, Jason S. White, zarcon pitom, and
Lobster included the following:
> sorry Crustacean.....for some reason known to you the term physical
> offends you.....interestingly no-one else has expressed a like
sentiment
> Dont be ambivalent, accusatory,antagonistic,apoplectic,diametrically
> opposed, discombobulated,flabbergasted, obnoxious,verbose to
> obfuscate,officious, perscipatious,persnicity,presumptory,
vindictive,
> or xenophobic.....that'll do for a start.....be nice.....Crustacean,
May
> you only know pleasantries since you have already known the other
> side.....Mangal
>The Lobster likes to communicate unfavorably - his choice. But if
>that touches a nerve in you, if that makes you squirm, that is yours.
I don't know about the original comments that brought forth the quotes
above involving the three I cited so I am not saying anyone was being an
ass, a jerk, or anything like that, though from what I read someone else
might have felt that. (It wouldn't be the first time someone on this
list has been. I've read some of my old posts, obviously sent when I was
in a bad mood, and if no one else lays claim to having been a jerk at
one time or another, I certainly feel obligated to.)
It reminded me of an exchange I had not too long ago. (I'll give the
short version).
During an event that required queueing up I asked someone to exchange
places and explained my reasons for wanting to go after her. Since I was
asking a favor she had every right to say yes or no. She said no, but
that was not the end of the story. She then, without any comment from
me, began to lecture me on the opportunity I was being given to deal
with "my issues" otherwise known as the reason I'd mentioned when
explaining my request.
After saying, "forget it," then attempting to ignore her and finding
that only caused her to babble on about the favor she was doing me by
her kind act I was getting rather tired of hearing about my great
opportunity. I decided to test her theory about helping others. So, as a
favor, I finally replied, "Go fuck yourself, asshole!" She didn't see
the favor I was doing her, to understand the opportunity she had to deal
with her issues, or I should say, she failed to understand, "if that
makes you squirm, that is yours". Actually she was quite put out and
seemed to blame me. But at least she was quiet and left me alone the
rest of the day, which made one of us much happier.
Where did this new age bullshit come from that says, "If you get in
someone's face, lampoon an idea they hold dear, act rudely, or in
general attempt to question ideas in any but constructive ways, you are
doing someone a favor by helping them deal with ego issues?"
Why is the sole responsibility of the person receiving the flame to
"deal with the issues?"
What sort of ego issues are being ignored by the jerk who refuses to
"own" his/her acts of being a jerk?
My point is real and so is my summarizing question:
"When did bad manners become an act of kindness?"
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:41:44 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: indraATnospamsmartt.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE READ
Message-Id: <199710201841.LAA06249ATnospammailtod-1.alma.webtv.net>
INDRA ---- Hi, there!
MrNamaste needs to be "reincarnated" --- I'm gonna set up a different
account with a different name ---- do you, perchance, have any ideas for
a suitable moniker for my next Internet Presence??
This "MrNamaste" --- it came about when someone very angry was trying to
humiliate and shame me --- and he yelled this precise phrase at me with
great HATE ( no joke ) --- and when I heard what he screamed, and
realized what he
ACTUALLY meant ---- well, I have admittedly a LOUSY sense of humour, but
yikes!, Indra, I started laughing SO hard and couldn't stop ---- then,
everyone else started laughing, too and within time All were filled with
Joy.
So until we all meet again, Everybodyji, I bid you all a
deus.
OM GURU OM GURU OM GUR OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU
OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU
OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU
OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU
OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU OM GURU
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:52:57 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: zarcon pitom <zarconpitomATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <344B29F6.23D1ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria:
Hi Zarcon, nice to get to know you a bit, usually when you have an
experience like you did you are out of your body and have really broke
that dimension wall. Were the words significant to you? And, was there
need for healing in the relationship? Gloria
zarcon pitom wrote:
>
> My Physical's story:
>
> I could not hear a distracting sound from outside my residence. I
> was deep asleep and then I was suddenly woken by the sound of my
> father's voice. He spoke to me as clearly as if he was at my side, BUT
> he has been dead now for nearly three years. The experience was so
> intense I could not fall back to sleep. My inner voice told me that the
> words my father spoke, were his words and not the words in a dream. I do
> not know how, nor do I know why, but I can tell you I did not fall
> asleep after that occured. The world melted away and I was in another
> land, where exactly I do not know. It was a beautiful feeling. There is
> much I do not know and I am only now learning to truly listen to my
> inner voice.
>
> My voice is Zarcon Pitom. Some of you think that Zarcon can not
> communicate properly, maybe so. I have taken the time to write a small
> part of my story and zarcon can communicate it to you. I have more to
> tell as we all do, I am reasonably sure of that. Maybe when I am strong
> I shall tell you more. Even this much has been an effort for me. If you
> do not believe my story that is fine with me, just don't ridicule me for
> what I believe to be true.
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:47:44 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
CC: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: life as endless loop
Message-ID: <344B28BE.541CATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria here:
There is a word for this as one of the ectasies for Bhakti yoga which
Indra can probably expound on, it is called murcha, the body becomes
rigid and falls down on the ground and you have no bodily state of
consciousness. The protection of God is administered during these times.
> > *connectedness* i have ever perceived with my physical senses, in
> > addition to whatever else part of my brain which was activated.
> > when i *came down* to 'normal perception' once more, i had fallen to
> > the lawn in a vertigo vortex & was shaking. when i first stood up to
> > recollect my*self* - it was a crystalline clear sunny morning in the
> > yard outside the woods, and - for the *life* of me, i had no sense of
> > *personal identity* at first. i could not remember my name, where i was
> > or why i was there, or what year it was.
> >
> > is this a form of kundalini?
> >
Indra:
. The number of paths
> to leading to the same goal are many as there are people on this earth.
>
> In my own experiences with "K", I always, check out my physical,, mental
> and emotional and spiritual condition at the time, sort of process of
> elimination, and arrive at the conclusion, which in most cases is
> nothing but the Truth. I also get the mannifestations, verified through
> perspectives of others, which allows me to deal with it more of a level
> of truth rather than my personalty-self, with which also we have to live
> with, in the path.
>
> Oh! thanks for your help in setting up my guest book , and it is set up
> now. I did have a problem with the counter in the geocities page, so I
> did from scratch again.
> In fact I found a couple of entries from Gloria.
> Thanks to her.
> My article on Kundalini Yoga, is also posted at
> http://personal.smartt.com/~indra
> and
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:48:42 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: malaise fever
Message-ID: <344B3709.1379ATnospamintercomm.com>
valerian wrote:
>
> i really don't feel too good about life right now. every time i open up
> my heart - somehow i am squashed like a common garden slug.
Gloria here:
What brought that on?
everything i
> *know* becomes wrong, & i end up spinning off into a malaise of the
> *permanently inadequate to be alive* mindset.
> this has ALWAYS been the case. i prefer being alone to being chronically
> WRONG & inadequate.
Gloria:
Are you over reacting and perhaps just feeling self involved? This is
when detachment is important, observe yourself as though you were
watching a movie, note what you think, say, etc...this will tell you how
you are creating and recreating the situation. Let go and enter the
silence.
> my heart is just fine closed & much healthier than opened to all the
> wrong people at the wrong times, for all the wrong purposes.
> like a 'measuring stick' - the span of ecstasy finds an equal match in
> agony? or - is this my imagination again? i cannot seem to find the
> answers fast enough for comfort...
Gloria:
There is no such thing as the wrong time, wrong people, that is the
illusion, where ever you are in your movement of now, is exactly where
you need to be. Accept it and go within observe, your thoughts are
powerful, look at what you are putting out. And, see how you went into
the solar plexus.
> v
> *********************
> valerie cooper
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:12:06 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Nancy Eckert <watrfallATnospamniagara.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: channeling
Message-ID: <344B3C84.5A56ATnospamintercomm.com>
Nancy Eckert wrote:
>
> --
> > Nancy Eckert wrote:
> > > .
> >
> Hi Gloria,
>
> Yes I agree that there is a direct route to God and if you can achieve it
> that's great. But many of us have struggled and suffered to get to where we
> are. I have learned many lessons from *many* sources of pathworking...
> often not knowing where an experience is leading until the learning unfolds
> and the understanding makes it into knowing for me.
>
> >The purpose of testing spirits is so that you understand the
> > spirit world and how energies form in direct reflection of your mind and
> > what you accept.
> Why would you except that there are demons... satan? Would that not be a
> reflection of your mind?
Gloria:
You can read anything from the occult and also the eastern religions,
as well as the bible, but I know from experience that yes demons are
very real and do exist in certain areas and dimensions. Those who have
not mastered getting beyond the astral are going to meet them, that is a
fact. The thing is to learn about them and learn what it means to take
on your own oversoul awareness so that one is beyond the state of
manipulation by this force.
There has never been a better time for making this journey because the
books are open and teachers are here.
I am amazed how the mind twists this so that what is, is made to not
exist using the reverse thought that the mind is producing it. This is
indeed the work of lower forces.Well, that is exactly the kind of thing
that these forces create and manipulate through. And, yes, you can buy
into that thought and live in the place of being manipulated by it, or
you can do what all holy books say, observe, look at it directly without
your preconceived thought, and you will look right through it/them. Then
you test it, it will flip into another form, you confront it again and
it will flip again, finally it will show you exactly what it is. So,
should you be afraid, not fear...no. One makes the connection with God,
you learn through the frequency of the Holy Spirit as the teacher, you
obtain direct awareness of the spiritual world, and you also learn how
the spiritual world manipulates to manifest itself in this third
dimension reality.How do you think negative things come to manifest in
this world? Do you not have some direct awareness of how emotions and
thoughts are manipulated to create negative situations in life??
In the study of kundalini...one naturally moves into direct awareness
of these forces, you take on more light/kundalini, and move into higher
places, but at some time you are brought back into the chaos of the
world/astral so that you learn about it first hand. Knowledge of good
and evil is necessary to become a master in the true knowing, as
a master all forces obey the God/Christ consciousness.
> I believe that there are entities that caused problems for themselves and
> others on this plane and now that they are in spirit form, they continue
> on. If we let them into our reality then they will not work for our highest
> good. They might come to us for learning or guidance which I believe is
> Shamanic work and something that I have experienced but not too comfortable
> with. It's hard to help them when you're not sure of all of the rules:)
> So yes I do test them, but I do not judge them and if they're not going to
> be for my highest good, I send them away with love.
Gloria:
You may send them away but if you are drawing them in also for your
purpose you are being manipulated by them, and your energies are being
sucked away without you even knowing it. Many people in this
preoccupation die young, and there is no direct reason for it other then
they have lost their lifeforce.
>
> take care Gloria
> with love
> Nancy
>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
> > Gloria Joy Greco
> > e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
> > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
> > &
> > http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
> > Hope you enjoy them!
> >
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:21:27 PDT
From: "Shaillee Juneja" <sjunejaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Mailing list
Message-ID: <19971020192128.21235.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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I have send this message couple of times earlier too.
Please remove my name from the mailing list. I do not want these mails.
Many thanks,
Shaillee Juneja
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:02:58 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Modern Major General . . .
Message-ID: <344C0D52.982ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Ken McFarland wrote:
Dear Ken,
(I have not gone mad - not yet anyway)
If you look at what you have written you can see
that the song or tune this can be sung to is
"Modern Major General" from Gilbert and Sullivan
It starts, 'I am the very model of a modern major General . . .'
Now - you may see this differently . . .
When you post in future please think about what tune your posting is to be sung to?
(I am not mad - we are looking for a rhythm . . . sorry if this is a little odd)
> The Commanding Self - 10/19/97
>
> The Pit . . . page 11-12
>
> Lack of knowledge and understanding
> in matters
> of importance
> or high emotional value,
> whether through ignorance,
> misinformation,
> or incapacity,
> leads to the formation
> of personality structures
> characterized as the Commanding Self.
>
> While this pattern
> may occur
> in backward
> or primitive cultures,
> in modern society it is ubiquitous.
>
> Despite great advancement
> in the social and psychological sciences,
> there seems to be
> a paucity of awareness and understanding
> of the dynamics
> subserving the Commanding Self.
>
> The ability
> to explore and remediate
> these maladaptive self-structures
> exists
> but people avoid
> examination of the truth
> about themselves.
>
> Sincerely Seeking,
> Ken
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:10:35 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
Cc: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: malaise fever[onion skins]
Message-Id: <9710202305.AA19541ATnospamns.valunet.com>
**********************
ceaseless bliss; does it exist on earth?
**********************
A lot of people say yes. I have not personally experienced it. IMHO that is
a lot to ask for.
**********
******************************
are these layers of past histories & responses to events unremembered
consciously, but
stored within the psyche until such a time as they can be dealt with,
and new stimuli triggers old responses from the stored cache of memory
from other events?
**********
********************************
I would guess they were unremembered SUBconsciously and stored. New stimuli
could trigger a response of many different types and stored or repressed
memories are a likely candidate. IMHO Don't be concerned where the response
comes from just let it go.
Drew
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:29:00 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "E Jason" <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Modern Major General . . .
Message-Id: <9710202315.AB19758ATnospamns.valunet.com>
Please tell us about the " Commanding Self ".
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:04:07 -0700
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Query about Descartes
Message-Id: <199710202103.OAA03989ATnospamwoohoo.erc.bc.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
The daughter of a friend of mine has to research Descartes' views of G-D.
Does anybody have any information on this topic? I would like to pass on the
information to her. She does not have web access,so I can not suggest to her
to search the web.
Your help will be appreciated, I am sure
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