1997/10/13 14:28
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #513
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 513
Today's Topics:
Re: Spirit-Mind-Body: Grounded
Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
re: The Lower Self
RE: Taoist Yoga
Grounded
RE: /Taoist Yoga/``energy''/rudra piercing/flows
Nadis system
Re: Expert of TAO needed!
Grounded
pains of no apparent origin
Re: Grounded
Seek ye first the Holy Guardian Angel
Perceptions
Unidentified subject!
pains of no apparent origin
Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
Re: Grounded
Re: humble pie
Re: Spirit-Mind-Body: Grounded
Channeling
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
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I still walk barefoot in the grass, but avoid puddles and rolling in the
grass. As far as dancing in the rain --
Every now & again I still get the urge, just rarely act upon it. (LOL)
To Live You Must Learn !!!!
To Learn You Must Live !!!!
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> How long has it been since you have walked barefoot in the grass ?
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> We talk of being grounded. I assume that means being connected to the
> ground , our Mother the Earth.
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> Remember, as a kid, jumping into puddles, rolling in the grass, dancing in
> the rain ?
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> Grounded .
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:49:14 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
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Indra wrote:
>Sometimes I have pondered over the need of so many paths.
>There is story of Paramahamsa Ramakrishna which explained my question.
>His answer illustrates very beautifully, to which my own writing on the
>same would be superfluous." We are all children of the Divine Mother.
>As her children we all have differents tastes.So she cooks for us all,
>for some she makes porridge, for some meat dishes, for some fish dishes,
>for some plain water/juice, for some egg dishes, for some vegetables.
>She only allows us to be healthy as our system of assimilation is geared
>for at the time.
>
Beautifully said, as always. Love those food analogies! I also love writing
that affirms the need for diversity in all things. We may all be facets of
the same diamond, but I enjoy experiencing each facet by itself, too.
Thank you all for the you that each of you are,
amckeon
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:18:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: The Lower Self
Message-Id: <199710131418.JAA22730ATnospamdfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
What Ruth and David write about the way down being the way up nails it.
We are God/dess's body and when we love ourselves we love God/dess.
But we can't love ourselves properly till we KNOW all the little icky,
disappointed, stingy, sad, jealous and petty parts. I can't tell you
how many people I've watched in therapy stumble into transcendent
experiences without meaning to, just by going deep -- including me!
Holly
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:46:43 -0000
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
To: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Taoist Yoga
Message-ID: <01BCD832.442C9C70ATnospamGURUDAVE>
Dear Tom:
<My own appreciation of the subject has been more theoretical, although I have practised zazen previously. However, I am at the point now where I'm looking for instruction. So, I'm looking to associate myself with a school that teaches Kundalini Yoga, since with the popularity of Yoga in general in the West there could be one nearby. I also want to practice Taoist Yoga , but I doubt I'll find instructors in that locally. I'll go through my copy of Taoist Yoga over the weekend, since - if it's okay with you - I'd like to seek clarification on some of the material which puzzles me but with which you're likely to be familiar. One thing I can ask right now is if the clearing of the eight psychic channels can be undertaken in parallel with beginning Taoist Yoga, or does it depend on first developing the heat in the tan t'ien?>
Thank you for your letter. I too am fairly early in my study of these things so I don't really understand too much, even of Charles Luk's book, but it does sound very familiar to my practise. I don't know zazen. How would you describe it? Also about the taoist yoga; where are you in the States? I know a few good teachers there. Here is a website that might give you a bit of insight into what I'm studying. The webmaster is a Christian so he gives his own perspective, but a very good one I think. http://condor.stcloud.msus.edu/~cheh/gsd/
As for your question about the eight psychic channels and heat. I don't know. I think it's not something you have to think about doing. You have to learn how to breath. And for that you need someone to teach you. After reading some books on Indian yoga I see they do what appears to be a similar kind of breathing. As you grow in your ability to breath, all of those other things will happen. It's all a very natural process and things happen according to the divine will. Each person also has a different experience, so it's hard for me to say exactly. I have known people when they start breathing to have an orgasm; and at another time to feel cold in their belly.
T<One thing that might interest you is that the writer relates switching his meditational focus from the lower tan t'ien (which he had concentrated on for years) to the centre in the chest - he immediately got substantial results from this.>
Recently, I've begun to do this I guess. In Korean the three tan t'iens are called palaces. My awareness hasn't left the lower palace but has begun watching all three turn together in harmony. I've found those moments very powerful, but as yet short lived.
<The ultimate achievement of the world of matter is to create life, and the ultimate achievement of life is to create consciousness, and it might be that we're the microcosm to the macrocosm of a sentient universe -which would be the worker hidden in the workshop as one Sufi put it.>
I think these are very important insights. I think it was Ruth in a recent letter who said that we are already God. There is no mountain to climb and nothing to become because what IS is already here. We are the universe, the microcosm reflecting the macrocosm. There is a moment of remembering, awakening, of renewing. That seems to be the very act of celebration itself.
My thoughts turn to taoism. I would say that there really is no such thing. Whenever something truthful becomes locked into a mental projection it looses the essence of truth it once held. I think taoism is like this. Taoist practise has pretty much died off, and yet if one follows their heart, the truth is inside. Really, the purpose of any teacher is to introduce you to the master inside anyway. So what once died is reborn.
Peace and love,
The Ox.
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:15:10 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Grounded
Message-Id: <199710131515.IAA27871ATnospammailtod-2.alma.webtv.net>
I typically spend time daily outside. Frankly, each day I connect with
Nature in a meaningful manner, no matter how momentary....but, in fact
this is neither "momentary" nor a "chore" nor a "hobby." I believe it
is Valerian who has sometimes shared her out-of-doors on the list.
Gloria mentioned the Reno night heavens.
Your question has perplexed me --- by the way you have expressed
yourself, I am led to presume that you do not believe people on the this
list are spending much time "grounded." As in: on Earth, in the here &
now. Perhaps you are correct. This startles me, simply because
......... well, perhaps this is illogical --- BUT: Whyever have we
become physically incarnate if we do not acknowledge the physical
universe around us ................. How can we fail but to acknowledge
its ineffable beauty if indeed we've gone through the Kundalini
Awakening?
I cannot conceive of the Nature connection being severed after
AT-One-ment, or even ignored. It's not something one can dismiss ---
it's a part of the core of one's being.
I could not imagine NOT spending a part of my day/night outside. I walk
barefoot through the grass daily...................my family played with
the leaves just yesterday ........................... and I am known to
splash through puddles..........
Where are the rest of you living????????????
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:33:49 -0000
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
To: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: /Taoist Yoga/``energy''/rudra piercing/flows
Message-ID: <01BCD838.D8298860ATnospamGURUDAVE>
Dear Kurt:
You wrote:<Personally I feel that practices like the microcosmic orbits are good
``warm-ups'' but I believe that Taoist yoga must have had more ``powerful''
practices. This practice cleanses the channels but does not induce the
kundalini or drops/bindu/thigle to enter the channels. The Taoist
alchemical text discuss building up the steam at the navel cakra. I don't
think that simply practicing any of the dozens of Qi Gong practices I have
learned is ever going to accomplish that.>
>From my practise I would say that the purpose of the microcosmic orbit is to renew vital energy to its optimal level, that as something distinct from inducing kundalini. I find now for example that on some level my breath determines the limits of my reality. When I stretch, my breath (into the lower tan t'ien) will carry me as far as I want to go. If I don't concentrate I won't go very far, but if I breath through the limits in my mind I can and do go further. It's this, I believe, that the microcosmic orbit does. As for kundalini, I don't know but, there are many other kinds of breathing utilized. The immortal breath comes from the feet, up the spine to the crown, and down the front channel to the lower tan t'ien. In my practise we do these a little different. For example, the immortal breath (I've never asked if it's this, I'm making an assumption) we begin in the lower tan t'ien, take the light down to the feet, up the spine, out the arms, up to the crown, and down the front to the lower tan t'ien again. Of course in the immortal breath one does not breath air externally. This occurs within a larger framework of meditation and exercise and, I don't believe is meant to be used outside of it. There are others though, and I haven't found their parallel in Charles Luk's book Taoist Yoga, but I'm not finished yet.
I'm not convinced altogether that the taoists died off. Here in Korea there is the myth of the red people who carried the sun in their belly. They are masters that live in the mountains. The story goes that they came from China, following the sun as far as they could. Interesting... If you want more information this website posts some history of them: http://condor.stcloud.msus.edu/~cheh/gsd/
By the way you remind me in many ways of a Kurt I knew in Muenster Saskatchewan. You wouldn't by any chance be the same?
Peace and love,
The Ox.
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:33:55 -0000
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
To: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Nadis system
Message-ID: <01BCD838.DB102D90ATnospamGURUDAVE>
Dear Ella:
You wrote;<The nadis system is a different system.The principle of matter of different
frequencies applies to even higher frequency matter than the etheric body.
Bodies of higher energetic frequencies are interconnected in dynamic
equalibrium with the physical. There is a human frequency spectrum, each
octave of which manifests as a different type of body enfolded within.
Using the analogy of octaves of music, we also find octaves of
electromagnetic energy.>
I find this interesting. My knowledge of Kundalini Yoga is limited so I might be wrong, but in Taoist Yoga there are eight psychic channels which on the surface seem to correspond to the nadis. It's not my impression that Taoist Yoga deals only with the meridian system, although this is a significant portion of it. At the same time I do feel a significant difference between my impression of the energy of those who have experienced a Kundalini awakening and those who study Taoist Yoga. Kundalini seems to be much brighter, more of a bright flame, whereas those who study Taoist Yoga seem to be more subtle. But I have felt the awakening to be the same across boundaries.
Peace and love,
The Ox.
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:03:53 -0700
From: C Kilburn <DR7KILBATnospamstudent.qmced.ac.uk>
To: Dmitry Zayakin <dzenATnospamtransit.samara.ru>
CC: Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Expert of TAO needed!
Message-ID: <3442C4F9.1082ATnospamstudent.qmced.ac.uk>
HOW DO i GET OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:55:06 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: leydaATnospamvalunet.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Grounded
Message-Id: <199710131555.IAA15633ATnospammailtod-1.alma.webtv.net>
Dear Drew,
I am glad to see you here still participating on the K-List. Your
posting today was VERY provokative for me, in numerous ways. Your
message got me quite baffled as I tried to ferret out its
implications......and then to realize that for me, this bodymind ---- I
guess a substantial part of me is always outside playing, no matter
where I am nor what I happen to be doing or am preoccupied with at any
given moment. It is an essential result, a primary (to the "primal
core") impact of the transformation, so total permanent, so irrevokable
----- that it is difficult to remember a time when this wasn't true.
For even when I seemingly "am out to lunch", so to speak, --- this
connection remains. It is me; I am it...........no matter the surface
ripples, the ground of my being contains the ground of our Mother Nature
and the background of the stars and galaxies. I normally give no
thought to these spacial concepts....they simply ARE a part of me, and
vice versa.
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:31:48 -0700
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: <KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: pains of no apparent origin
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First I had ringing in my left ear
Second, The day after the ringing in the ears, for about 3 hours or so I had
a chest pain on the right side of my chest.
Third, later that same day the pain shifted to the left side of the chest.
Fourth, as i write this to you, I have a tension in my stomache (as though a
hand is tightening around my stomache)
It is as if a snake is working its way through my body causing the pain in
the process
Can you please tell me what is the explanation, if you know it
Thank You
Stan
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:36:01 -0400
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Grounded
Message-ID: <34425C01.D01E5961ATnospamconcentric.net>
MrNamaste wrote:
> I could not imagine NOT spending a part of my day/night outside. I
> walk
> barefoot through the grass daily...................my family played
> with
> the leaves just yesterday ........................... and I am known
> to
> splash through puddles..........
I was lucky enough to see all my weekends of my childhood, and all the
summers, spent in the nature, near a lake surrounded by mountains. I was
king there, animals and the deep canadian forest where my friends all
day long. My father was the sky, my mother the Goddess of nature. Humans
where my companions for eating.
Living in a big city, i cannot stay long without going back to this
small kingdom. No concept there, no visualization, the surrounding are
then living archetypes.
Antoine
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:57:14 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, indraATnospamsmartt.com
Subject: Seek ye first the Holy Guardian Angel
Message-Id: <199710131757.KAA01417ATnospammailtod-2.alma.webtv.net>
I would seriously advise others who believe they are being contacted by
angels, aliens, deceased ancestors, nature spirits, hidden "masters",
spirit guides - etc/etc/etc --- to please seriously consider the idea
that they are treading in potentially very dangerous waters.
This particular "Ocean" is not safe to swim through until one has a
firmly established inner quiescence. And even then there remain very
many interesting undertows and myterious currents for the unwary. Seek
your answers in meditation, from the depths of your very Self. Be
dubious (at best) at any instructions or advice you receive that do not
originate from the depths of your soul or the heights of your own human
intellect, based on logic and reasoning.
There is a particular temptation for the human ego to get sidetracked by
this phenomenon --- which originates from all manner of places,
(including the personal shadow)..........also, as Lobster clearly points
out again & again.... I think it would be wise to fully determine and
understand what part "Imagination" plays in this particular
"Reality".....well before you partake in it. Knowing mine to be an
unchaotic Unpopular Opinion, I'll spare you further
words.................
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:32:46 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Perceptions
Message-ID: <19971013.143301.5110.3.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
Ruth wrote.... " I made a typo I said: thunder in the head...!
Something is changing for sure! People are not getting the message.. YOU
ARE GOD!>>>>Of course it should be "People are NOW getting the message
YOU ARE GOD!"
Yikes those two little words mean a world of difference!>>>
This reminds me of the story of the little boy and his mother who visited
a neighbor for the first time. The mother knew that the man who lived
there was an atheist, and although she had spent a lifetime building a
strong spiritual foundation within her son, she was still leary of
visiting this man and subjecting her son to possible different views than
he had been taught.
Upon being invited into his home, to his mothers dismay, the first thing
she saw was a big sign that said, "God Is Nowhere." She was hoping
against hope that her son would not notice.
But, children being children, are so aware of many things. Her son just
stared at the sign and said, "WOW". The mother did not know what to
say at this point.
The little boy, then turned to the man, so innocently, and said, "Where?
Where?"
The man said, "Where what? I don't know what you mean."
And the little boy replied, "Where's God? Your sign says 'God is Now
Here!'
And the man could never look at his sign the same way from that day
on.....
Perceptions! God, you gotta love 'em.
xxxtg
"I'm addicted to placebos -- I would give them up, but it wouldn't make a
difference."
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:32:51 PDT
From: "zarcon pitom" <zarconpitomATnospamhotmail.com>
To: KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <19971013183252.5220.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Friends:
Love and Light to all
Friends to what is termed "Mother Earth" must come forth and heal the
rifts
Those who know "Father Time" are clear in the anger which spews forth
Too many ignore the Light.....too many.....bring them closer.....show
them the good.....show them the right path.....
My Physical turn to the Chakras and find of them much truth.....but to
seek them out and understand them and benefit from them, the physical
must first learn to be at peace with itself.....inner turmoil is
counterproductive.....my physical knew much turmoil as have many of
you.....discarding black bits and entering the light is a difficult
process.....exhausting process to undergo for the newly
enlightened.....very worthwhile pursuing.....ask my physical....it
experienced headaches.....after the headaches went (blocked 'K' energy
for 14 years then reawakened.....but that is a story for another time)
the Chakras, Chi, Ain Soph OR.....related and yet different.....
Chi triggers memories in my physical of violent training and violence in
general.....for chi is associated with Martial Arts and Weaponry for my
physical.....
Ain Soph Or is associated with Zohar and Kabbalah.....Zohar is the
fundamental study prior to Kabbalah.....
The Chakras.....this list discuss them frequently......and so the
centres are known to you.....
NOW.....The corners of the world need positive forces at
work.....positive energy.....there is a new Negative power coming to be
heard and seen.....it is usurping the Negative Energy put
forth.....Counter it with your Positive Energy.....the Negative comes
from the well of darkness.....Your love and light and joy can and will
make a difference.....You are the chosen healers.....Your work and deeds
can be magnificent.....
The Offworlders have been here before.....look unto the mountains and
you will see your friends.....Eziekel saw the wheel a turning way in the
middle of the sky.....there are other instances.....you have
heard.....you call them by various titles, greys are but a single title
for offworlders
The realms collide.....there is a hole opening between the etheral and
non-etheral.....the light and the dark will merge for a time.....then
find their respective places.....All will be as it should be.....turn to
stonehenge.....turn to others.....answers many questions.....do not just
look.....You must see.....
This list has a function to help the physical realm achieve the
light.....it's function is noble and good.....Mangal to all.....Indra,
Lobster, Gloria, Bob, Linda, Angelique and all those not
named.....Namaste Ashtu
The light is good and warm and friendly.....
The vibrations of 12.....easier to do
RA MA.....
In the NOW Time....Metatron.....
Gabriel, Amos, David, Gielgamesh are here.....
Gielgamesh speaks as the voice for the others.....
Peace to all.....Love and Light to all
zarcon
i am of the ages
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:25:13 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: iriATnospamivyrealty.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: pains of no apparent origin
Message-Id: <199710131925.MAA19872ATnospammailtod-2.alma.webtv.net>
I believe you may find a number of answers in a book by Bonnie Greenwell
entitled, "Energies of Transformation." Also, you might go to an ENT
specialist to learn if you have tinnitus caused by an otherwise
unnoticable sinus infection (or inner ear infection.)
I am certain I have heard such tactile sensations described in the book
by Bonnie Greenwell. (It is an expanded version of her Ph.D. thesis ---
which was the first such thesis on the kundalini experience in the
West.)
Feel free to write me with further symptoms/questions --- have you been
meditating alot, lately? Also, please consider having that stomach pain
checked out by a doctor. I wouldn't want you to be having an attack of
actual appendicitis (or some other medical condition) while researching
kundalini, okay? Take care.
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:38:51 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
Message-ID: <3441EC28.3732ATnospamintercomm.com>
amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>
> Beautifully said, as always. Love those food analogies! I also love writing
> that affirms the need for diversity in all things. We may all be facets of
> the same diamond, but I enjoy experiencing each facet by itself, too.
>
> Thank you all for the you that each of you are,
> amckeon
HI, I don't think you have introduced yourself, can you give us some
background? Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:13:45 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Grounded
Message-ID: <3441E648.AFFATnospamintercomm.com>
MrNamaste wrote:
>
> I typically spend time daily outside. Frankly, each day I connect with
> Nature in a meaningful manner, no matter how momentary....but, in fact
> this is neither "momentary" nor a "chore" nor a "hobby." I believe it
> is Valerian who has sometimes shared her out-of-doors on the list.
> Gloria mentioned the Reno night heavens.
>
> Your question has perplexed me --- by the way you have expressed
> yourself, I am led to presume that you do not believe people on the this
> list are spending much time "grounded." As in: on Earth, in the here &
> now.
I'm not sure who you are talking to on this issue, I may have spoken of
living in the now, connected in the very essence of the movement, that
is the doorway into moving with Divine Will. It certainly grounds you
but it also opens you to being with divine will and purpose beyond time
and space. So, not only does it give you the overview of being here in
this space, but it goes beyond it as well. Is this what you meant?
Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:08:52 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: humble pie
Message-ID: <34427FD4.35E8ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
valerian wrote:
> i publically apologize for my extra-sharp criticisms this past week.
> it is my own malaise, projecting.
> please forgive me?
Well . . .
Should we . . .
Will you forgive others when they get a bit extra-sharp?
Well . . .
I don't know . . .
Forgive you eh?
> i am trying & searching & praying to be better...
Ah HA! You are trying to improve . . .
One UNCONDITIONAL FORGIVING coming up.
I Lobster being of soundless mind and nobody, do hereby bequeath on you Valerie Cooper
(known as Valerien) an unconditional forgiving for all extra-sharp criticisms.
Amen (or similar).
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (forgiving essential)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:23:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sunny Zengler <sunnyzATnospamdigital.net>
To: Spirit-Mind-Body <spirit-mind-bodyATnospamtikipub.com>
cc: Kundalini <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
Self Knowledge List <selfknow-lATnospamspiritweb.org>,
Sacred Wind <sacredwindATnospamusa.net>
Subject: Re: Spirit-Mind-Body: Grounded
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Actually, I go for fountains myself, instead of puddles. I've always
loved to walk through fountains and play in them.
Visit me on the web at http://helios.acomp.usf.edu/~kzengler/index.htm
Sunny Z GO BULLS! Stampede Elan
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:37:07 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Channeling
Message-ID: <19971013.163709.5110.4.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
To Zarcon........
Love and light back at ya.
No offense intended here, but when I hear channeled info, to me, it just
reeks of something...... what? superficiality? wanting to be something
more than you are? spirituality? warnings? They are a dime a dozen on
every metaphysical street corner. If I wanna read channelings, I'll go
to http://www.channels-R-us.com.
I would MUCH rather hear what your physical person has received and
learned in THEIR own words, their own experience. I would love to hear
it! Teach them that. And to quit hiding behind your skirts/pants,
pretending to be some philosophical holy moses from up above teaching us
silly folk below. I mean, really, like we haven't heard these warnings
before?? geeezzzzz gimme a break.
My intentions for this post are to bring YOU out of hiding and to hear
your interpretations of what Zarcon of the Ages may have to say. You
could probably teach him a thing or two about living in the moment,
rather than the future.
OK, now I got that off me chest and I'll go look within and see what it
is within me.
People, please help me here see this differently if I am in error. I AM
willing.
xxxtg
I am of the moment
"I like you but I wouldn't want to see you working with subatomic
particles."
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:18:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: DebbiMSWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Remove Name
Message-ID: <971013171603_-858659826ATnospamemout12.mail.aol.com>
Please remove my name from the list.
Thanks!
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