1997/10/11 13:18
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #509
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 509
Today's Topics:
Re: Energy...i.e. Shakti
Re: Taoist Yoga and Reiki
Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Re: pearls b4 swine?
Re: Good/Bad Vibes
How
Re: Vibrations/Energy
Kundalini forum is us
Re: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
gratitude
Awareness
Re: Awareness
Re: How
Re: Paradigms Shifting
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:19:57 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy...i.e. Shakti
Message-ID: <343E7FDA.6936ATnospamintercomm.com>
Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Hi Gordon: So you work for Boeing... hmm. and you are asking what energy
> is on the Kundalini list and perhaps seek a definition?
> You say: >>>When we talk
> about Kundalini or the Holy Spirit as being energy flows, we surely mean
> more than power. Power without guidance is pretty useless. In fact most
> of us, if we could use more of anything, could use more guidance for the
> energy we have. >>>
> Indeed.. our language does not adequately encompass what we are talking
> about but somehow on this list... we know wht it is. I wonder if you feel
> that guidance is something you get from outside yourself.. I hope not..
> because there is only one source of guidance...true guidance is from
> within.
> Do we really mean spirit, or life, or soul, or
> intellegance, or mind, or God or something like that, when we say energy -
> something with purpose, not just power?
> >>
> EXACTLY .,. you sort of have it exactly!ATnospam Grin!
> In Sanskrit there is a word for it SHAKTI... but in English there is not
> only no equivalent word, but in my experience, no equivalent experience to
> match it to a word. But I think it is more like electricity than
> anything.. only the source of the energy/electricity is inside and it can
> be directed by you.
> Personally I call it my ENLIGHTENED WILL. I know of no better more
> accurate term
> >>>
> Vibrations are like that also. Vibration is what you
> get when you hit a tin plate with a spoon. Is that what we mean, when we
> sense someones vibs?
> Gordon
Dear Gordon and Ruth,
I notice many people have a reaction to words like frequency, energy,
vibration, etc.
I explain this with music, each note has a sound current which creates
the tone or frequency we harmonize to. When people begin to raise their
aspirations from the world and third dimension experience into spiritual
awareness, he or she becomes aware of a different energy/vibration/ or
frequency around them. The more focus that goes into opening and knowing
about God, light, love, heart, all of a sudden again the body/mind/soul
registers feelings and awareness of energy changes.
People on the list are focusing more and more on opening and knowing
God from a place inside, with every focus change a shift in awareness
happens, and the body becomes more directly open to subtle energies that
the body would never notice before. Those who are musicians or even in
dance open up to these vibrations and lose themselves in it, when you
become a disciplined meditator it begins to change drastically so much
so that some become aware of a current of energy moving inside of the
body. And, it continues ever expanding into what is called that
kundalini release. Gloria
> >>>>
> If you have to ask.. I am not sure that you can understand the answer.
> I guess I will let someone else explain this -- as a child of the 60's I
> just assumed everyone understood... but I guess not.
> Now who can explain vibes?
> Ruth
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for
spiritual growth.
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:30:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Harsha Godavari <rjs269ATnospamfreenet.mb.ca>
To: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>
cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Taoist Yoga and Reiki
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On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Tom Bradley wrote:
> Jeanne,
>
> I've been aware of these machines for a few years but haven't had the
> opportunity to buy one yet. And there are lots of different ones...
> But I recently saw a spec for one that covers all my needs (I think it's
> called the Polysync Pro) and there's a monthly payment plan involved so
> it isn't too expensive all at once. I'm hoping to get it in November.
> I'm glad that you can ward off migraine by remembering the feel of the
> state - that's what's so interesting about these machines, that you can
> potentially attune yourself to a state that you might have had spend
> years of meditation before you could attain it. I think it will be a
> good complement to the kundalini training I aim to undertake. >
Tom:
I would like to make a suggestion. There are large number of these
machines - all quite expensive and constantly being upgraded.
Out right purchase of a specific machine could prohibit you from
trying out a more suitable one.
However there is place in Pa., where you can rent any machine for
$30.00/wk. You can contact them at "DynamindATnospamaol.com". The fellow "Andy"
who runs the place is very knowledgeable and friendly. He will freely
advise you of all the products on the market.
Also you can pose your queries on "Mind-lATnospamaquathought.com". The Mind-l
list is devoted to this topic. Most dealers of the stuff are also present
there.
Regards
Harsha Godavari (rjs269ATnospamfreenet.mb.ca)
PS: I have no connection with them except that I did buy one of their
machines and quite happy with it.
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:54:20 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>, Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Message-ID: <343F067B.6E5DATnospamsmartt.com>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> ori^ wrote:
> >
> > Dear List members,
> >
> > The discussion about various energy flows has been quite
> > thought provoking.
What is it that allows us to perceive the energy which moves through
us?
Why are diffent energetic systems and interpretations developed in
different cultures?
> >
> > How is the process of awakening related to these various
> > energetic flows?
Kundalini awakening might be but one type
> > of awakening... how is it the same or different from others?
>
> Gloria
> Everyone has some kundalini flow who is creative and focused, this is
> that energy manifesting. I am happy with the sharing... it one way or the other.
> >
> >
> > Ram wrote:
> > > Kundalini energy is of many types. It is energy of astral thought
> > >level. K-energy of hate level tends towards matter more compared
> > >to k-energy of love level.
> >
>
> > Kurt wrote:
> > Each of these traditions has a different depiction of energy flow and places a somewhat different emphasis on the final destination of the flow.
> >
> > I think your idea of inventoring the energy movements is
> > wonderful and would provide a useful reference document.
> >
> > Ram wrote:
> > >But higher energy is way beyond these k-energies.
> >
> > What is the connecting point between k-energies and
> > higher energies?
> >
> >Indra writes:
>
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:37:38 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
Cc: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>,
Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
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> > >
> > > Ram wrote:
> > > >But higher energy is way beyond these k-energies.
> > >
> > > What is the connecting point between k-energies and
> > > higher energies?
> > >
>
> > >Indra writes:
>
> > I have been experiencing K-energy predominently of two types.
One very dense, concentrated, dark inside the body in small spaces. With
awareness this energy disintegrates and causes physical and emotional
pains and moods before dissolving into HIGHER ENERGY.
Second type is in the form of lights , whether white or any other colour
combinations. This light is in wider space , sometimes in whole of the
body. This energy brings in power , insights, happiness and it dissolves
into HIGHER ENERGY by the process of awareness.
Both these energies are non permanent, they change , they come and go and
disappear with awareness into HIGHER ENERGY.
HIGHER ENERGY enevolpes the whole body. It is everywhere, inside the
k-energy and outside. It goes out beyond the body. Wherever the awareness
goes it is there. With awareness it converts any and every energy into a
part of Itself. It is not visible even with the eyes of awareness. But
its fnveloping effect is clearly felt. It is Silent. Its effect is felt
by being in total peace. There is no pain ,no joy, no bliss, no feeling
of power. But this feeling once tasted cannot be forgotten.
Ram feels that our body is like a factory. When it is alive ,its purpose
is to convert matter thro various stages of energies( including k-energy)
into HIGHER ENERGY. Various Gods,Goddesses, Devi Devtas, Siddhis are
manifestations of k-energy and the last choice for all of them is Higher
Energy. This Energy is pure VIBERATIONS.
This Higher Energy leaves behind even love, creative Intelligence ,
wisdom or any other lofty energy way behind. K- energy of astral form
cannot survive our Solar Parlay. K-energy of Causal form cannot survive
our Galaxi Parlay. Nirvana Energy (which Buddha experienced) cannot
survive our part of Universe Parlay. But this silent Higher Energy will
complete its full life of Brahma cycle as told in Vedas. > > > > > > > >
Ram has not experienced difference between Nirvanic and Higher Energy.
This is what the Inner Voice said.
The Usefull lesson for all of us is that we should remain aloof from all
types of K-eneergies. All insights ,out of body experiences or Siddhis
are a play of K-energy. They are not permanent. Till you are in the
sphere of K-energy , you are in swings of pain and happiness. K-energy
will not take you to oneness even though love and devotion may be fully
manifested in it. Total oneness is only in Higher Energy experience. Each
and every kalapa of Higher Energy is Permanent , everything else is changing.
ram
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:56:57 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: zymphtATnospambluewin.ch
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: pearls b4 swine?
Message-ID: <343F2335.5B2ATnospamptialaska.net>
>> > v: no one is *in control* here, except the List Mystress, & no one needs
> > to *prove* anything to anyone. if it is the *truth of the heart* & in
> > the *spirit*, it is valid.
<snip>
>z: This is a nice contribution and you are most certainly RIGHT. Bickering and
> control games make you uncomfortable, but may be exactly what some need to
> arrive at the SILENCE of the TRUTH you so desperately crave.
>
> I beg you to show me the way to purify the expression of my ego.
> I seek a graceful way to allow the ripples of my corruption
> settle out into the reflective polish of serenity.
> This calm and quietude I know in the (non)effort of deepest concentration,
> Yet the bickering and control games show me the magnitude
> of my perfect imperfection.
v: regular dosages of estrogen, as in birth control pills, may work
miracles, & also keep one young!
>>z : Will you help or will you try, with your control game, to force me into silence?
v: i don't *do* force or control games! i am just an *idea & intuitive*
person.
never wnted any authoritative responsibilities, i.e. 'manager' or any
corporate salaried position because i believe ultimately people are
responsible for themselves & own opinions. becoming "responsible" for
anyone else would have to be type A *stress out city* . i even am having
to learn how to make my 5 yr old (very authoritarian personality she
has!) do what i say!
but, if i can *help* in any way, please let me know!
:)
>z: PS. I've been eating too much onion and garlic! :))
v: good for you! now try apple cider vinegar & enemas...*lol*
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:10:27 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: tg xxx <imtgATnospamjuno.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Good/Bad Vibes
Message-ID: <343F265D.14B3ATnospamptialaska.net>
> Gordon asked:
> << Is that what we mean, when we sense someones vibs? >>
<snip>
> tg: So since then, I have been rather skeptical regarding the word 'vibes'.
> Now I see it more as 'This person is just not to my liking, my
> personality type'. The same goes for rooms or homes we visit. I don't
> see it so much as vibes, but as preferences.
v: forceful 'type A' personalities have no real access to 'vibes'
because their brainwave patterns are pretty stuck in linear mentalities,
which includes *ego* & personal judgements. i consider many of these
television evangelists, as well as some new age "teachers" within this
category. they are just good - or even charismatic showmen, but have one
eye on the profit margin. it comes down to the motivation(s). good
*talkers* are just that...
yes - there ARE *vibes* but just to be passed through without
judgement. i am learning a trick - like in self *defense*, where one
just emits SO MUCH LIGHT & *good cheer* as to transmute all negativity
into more *light*. it is fun to practice, & sometimes it is as natural
as grass growing & otherwise takes a bit of theatre arts & preparation,
but always works !
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:44:14 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: How
Message-ID: <343F203E.76A7ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Jason S. White wrote:
This is painful for me. Superficiality is a happy wrapping on a
shadow element. Remove the wrapping and obnoxious, sarcastic,
idiotic expression may spew forth. Darkness exposed on a public
forum where once I may have been known as nice, evolved and wise.
I make light of my darkness but it never fails to horrify me
when it rears its ugly head for real.
But there is a difference between choosing not to express oneself
through a recognised shadow and superfically pretending the
shadow is not there. I am quite painfully aware of my shadow
elements and I think many people on this forum are aware of
theirs as well. If one makes the choice not to express it, then
that is not necessarily superficial.
Lobster:
True.
In most systems of evolution we have the idea of restraint, repentance or asceticism
(which sometimes gets a bad press when over-indulged in). It is recognising the shadow
and choosing to control qualities such as anger, pettyness, hurtful words and so
on that creates a tension in the person. This is why at the same time calming techniques
are offered. A distancing between the shadow and the Real is created. The shadow is
observed but its arising is as much as possible not allowed free expression.
During the process of arising and observation its illusionary and superficial nature is
understood. During the understanding period, its power and impact is gradually lessened
as simultaneously the Real, genuine and Love orientated persona is allowed to grow and
find space for expression.
Jason S. White wrote:
But if one *does* express themselves through shadow, believing sincerely that they know
what a situation or person requires, then we have a foolish lack of humility. As a
fool, one cannot possibly know for certain what a situation or person requires. But as
you say, we express ourselves foolishly knowing it is foolish to do so.
What choice do we have?
Lobster:
We stop engaging in the development of others and concentrate on finding the Real within
ourselves. We engage in systematic and in depth study. You must be prepared to put in
time and also give up imagined study. Find wisdom - she does exist. I can only say that
eventually one is able to by pass oneself sufficiently to allow the Spirit to speak. One
can attune to the needs of a person in a subtle, genuine and useful way. We may
eventually use the shadow but this has many complications and is inherently dangerous.
The shadow is so open to abuse that it is best avoided. The shadow can be a servant of
the Light - but explore and find the Light first . . .
The first task is to reconcile any arisings of energies (such as Kundalini) and to
stabilise within ones own psyche. Then develop internal stillness. We do this for three
reasons:
1. Love for Knowledge
2. Love for Others
3. Love for Gods Sake
4. No Reason, just Love :)
One of the most important tasks is the recognition of ones imperfection. To see no flaws
is one of the tricks of ego. It after all does not want to be challenged or destroyed so
it says - 'hey, everything is perfect' :)
Nonsense.
We must admit what and who we are. We must ask for help. We must apply ourselves.
Success is possible but not easy.
> LOL! I see your point! You fool! :))
>
> The Wise One,
> Zympht.
Exactly so. The genuine is always hidden. The height of arrogance is to appear humble :)
However be wary of the tendency to constantly offer advice unless taken! :) Be serious
but never take yourself seriously. Laugh. Be passionate. Trust in God. Make friends.
Enjoy your food.
Love and Peace
The foolish Lobster
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:49:35 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: FIuteATnospamprodigy.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Vibrations/Energy
Message-ID: <343F2F83.19AEATnospamptialaska.net>
<snip>
>flute: This movement in the Atom created the movement for the growth and a cell
> to divide.. When it divides there is more movement or a vibration.
> Everyhing has this movement. A human body has 1.4 volts in each cell,
> and has about a quadrillion cells.. so we are batteries.. But all of life
> has the same DNA of electrical beginnings. Everything is movement and
> the movement is vibrations.. Vibrations of the cells determine what the
> structure is formed into. A mountain (slower vibrations), Fire (fast
> vibrations) or sound (vibrations that you can feel as waves or throbbing
> within your eardrums with the assistance of your brain interr the
> vibration, so that you may hear).
> Healers operate at 7.8 MZ (refer to Emergin Light - Barbara Brennan)
> which is a different level than most people. We have a special grounding
> that makes the vibration different. Level 12 Mz is in another dimension
> where your intuition and manifestation are creating reality (accordin to
> Monroe Institute). So we even as humans have a different vibrational
> level. Many people can feel, see or react to that vibration. I am
> empathic, so I sense, feel people.. as they walk in a room, or if they
> have pain. I generally can tell them where it hurts.
v: i validate this explanation, which is synonymous with modern physics!
thanx for proferring it!
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:09:12 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini forum is us
Message-ID: <343FB2B8.7D11ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Imagine a forum. Devoted perhaps to Kundalini - much like
this one. A variety of people come and go for a variety
of reasons. Through the interaction some gain
information. Some begin to explore the nature of their
experiences and try to make sense of them.
It would be quite natural for the nature of the forum to
change. This after all is part of a natural movement.
Each individual is responsible for how this comes about
and to what extent this attunes with their own inner
state.
The Kundalini forum is us. The movement of messages is
the K. It has both a gross and a subtle form. The opening
of particular debates would represent the flowering of
different chakras. As we can see this is very much a
random and undisciplined growth. Some are quite happy
with that . . .
Most Kind Regards,
Lobster
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:17:35 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
Cc: dcodaATnospamtherapist.net, Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>,
"'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
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On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, acarre wrote:
>
> Here is the initiation:
> On a cold night of winter, in the himalayas, they go to a frozen lake.
> The one to be initiated sits naked on the snow (not on the lake :-)).
> All nigh long, people dip towels in the lake, and let them freeze. They
> but them on the initiated skin, and from his psychic heat, he must dry
> them, in a certain laps of time. They continue like this until the
> sunrise. At the sunrise the snow around the initiated must also have
> melted around a 2 meter radius and to a certain dept. Only then can he
> where this very symbolic white robe.
>
>
>
>
> Each transcending of kalapa from one plane to next higher one
emits tremondous heat. A pure AWARENESS meditation results in outpouring
of heat . The person increases intake of water also. It is written that
one could bake bread on the back of saint Gyaneshwari of Alandi Poona.
This is only three hundred or so old incident and enough proof and record
remains in the original manuscripts.
I had written earlier that as one goes plane by plane higher in
evolution , the speed of light reduces for him as he measures the speed
of light thro kalapas emitting out of his eyes.
The heat emitted will be proportional to the square of difference
in this relative speeds of light.
The real saints of India had always like to move to Himalayas in
ancient India.
This does not apply to saints of Devotion and love type. They go
in Moksh by the method of bliss and merging. They do not also feel the heat.
Out pouring of heat is only on the path of Bodhisattva or Adept
or Master who later merge in Buddha of the era.
ram
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:00:24 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: gratitude
Message-ID: <343F8678.A06B604FATnospambluewin.ch>
I wish to express my gratitude for this space,
this forum of free expression and love,
for providing a safe place
to dislodge a gritty, seething piece of yuckus
blocked behind a fragile veil of my ego.
I thank the Lobster for the sharpness of his foolish claws.
I apologise to any who were wounded in the fray.
Now I have my work before me and I shall be silent.
Peace and good will to all.
Zympht.
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:23:18 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "Sacred Wind" <sacredwindATnospamusa.net>,
"Spirit-Mind-Body" <spirit-mind-bodyATnospamtikipub.com>,
"Self Knowledge List" <selfknow-lATnospamspiritweb.org>,
"Kundalini" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Awareness
Message-Id: <9710111811.AA05902ATnospamns.valunet.com>
IMHO
Awareness is the third leg of a triangle. The other two are mind and body.
We already have it, but do not notice it because of " noise " from the mind
and the body.
To quite the body we must regulate the breathing. In and out, slow and
easy.
To quite the mind we must focus on something ' quite ". A sound, a rock,
our thumbnail, anything which is " quite ' to you.
In time you will notice your awareness, in the blink of an eye. Be still,
awareness is shy. let it come to you.
IMHO
*
Drew
" So Far : So Good "
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:43:49 -0700
From: Chuck Davis <roshicorpATnospamROSHI.com>
To: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>, Sacred Wind <sacredwindATnospamusa.net>,
Spirit-Mind-Body <spirit-mind-bodyATnospamtikipub.com>,
Self Knowledge List <selfknow-lATnospamspiritweb.org>,
Kundalini <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Awareness
Message-ID: <yam7223.2457.18182440ATnospammail.earthlink.net>
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On 11-Oct-97, F. Drew Leyda wrote:
>IMHO
>Awareness is the third leg of a triangle. The other two are mind and body.
>We already have it, but do not notice it because of " noise " from the mind
>and the body.
>To quite the body we must regulate the breathing. In and out, slow and
>easy.
>To quite the mind we must focus on something ' quite ". A sound, a rock,
>our thumbnail, anything which is " quite ' to you.
>In time you will notice your awareness, in the blink of an eye. Be still,
>awareness is shy. let it come to you.
>IMHO
>*
>Drew
>" So Far : So Good "
/IMHO,/ I think it's #QUIET#
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:19:09 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How
Message-Id: <199710111929.PAA07081ATnospamhoboken>
Hi,
>>But there is a difference between choosing not to express oneself
through a recognised shadow and superfically pretending the
shadow is not there. I am quite painfully aware of my shadow
elements and I think many people on this forum are aware of
theirs as well. If one makes the choice not to express it, then
that is not necessarily superficial.>>
Seems like most of us either suppress our shadows, or vent through them.
Often, we are afraid of the power of our shadows...and so by supressing
them, we rob ourselves. Have any of you had success with fully integrating
your shadow side?
Sharon
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Paradigms Shifting
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Ruth,
I'll be thinking about this for you. It is the kind of thing I think about
anyway...
Some initial thoughts. There is a comedian who says men are hunters and
have a single focus approach to life...women are gatherers and they
intergrate many small searches all going on at the same time. I think human
progress is moving from hunting to gathering (again?) if we use that as the
metaphor. Men in power moves to shared power with females. Whites in
power moves to shared power with all other races. The focus has been
survival against nature, against enemies (on this planet). We now have
nature tamed somewhat and no global wars of the old fashioned kind. So, it
is therefore time to widen the focus and start gathering. . .clean up this
social or ecological problem and that one...not just the big guys but all
the little guys providing solutions (see recent Nobel winner for land mine
work) and being part of the solution and not just cannon fodder for the
higher ups' global domination agendas anymore. . .
As a society/species we are progressing up Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you
know what I mean? They should be able to relate to Maslow, right? Maslow
might be better than the male focus to female focus idea, given the audience.
Hierarchies in general are giving way to more democratic ways world wide and
should in the classroom too. Individuals become more important but in the
class room we move to group work instead of individual work because
cooperation and inclusion >>finally<< become more important than competition
and exclusion. Also, instead of teacher as "sage on the stage" she/he
becomes more like a "guide on the side". (I don't have a reference on that
last but should be able to get it next week if you want it.)
If this is useful please quote me and cite this e-mail...that would be of
help to me for some work I am doing. Also, I'd like a copy of what you do
present.
M
ps Have you looked into learning styles and multiple intelligences and NLP
as sub-topics?
pps Read Ken Wilber for more philosophical approaches to what is happening.
The End of Science by Horgan might give you some ideas too.
At 12:12 AM 10/10/97 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote:
>Since I believe that having had a Kundalini awakening, you are well on the
>way to becoming an evolved and hate to say it... MUTANT .. human being,
>could some of you give me some pointers for a discussion I am going to
>lead on the paradigm shifts of the 20th Cent. and how to incorporate these
>into the 21st Century in society and science.. as we teach it at the
>university and college level? Somewhat of a mouthfull... But simply
>speaking.. what changesdo you think professors of today can make to meet
>the challenges of the world of tomorrow? How can we prepare for these
>changes? What should we be thinking about?
>I am really up for integrating spiritual/soul issues into all fields of
>science and humanities.. but can't present it this way YET... any ideas?
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