1997/10/10 20:33
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #508
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 508
Today's Topics:
Re: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
Re: Spiritually Correct
/Taoist Yoga/``energy''/rudra piercing/flows
question regarding ringing in the ears
Re: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
Re: Taoist Yoga
cakras opening
Re: Taoist Yoga
Re: Taoist Yoga
[Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
Re: Abundance of insight in India
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:05:27 -0700
From: "Elle D'Coda" <dcodaATnospamtherapist.net>
To: "Tom Bradley" <tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM>,
"'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
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Just a few additional notes to this thread....
Taoist yoga deals with a different "bandwidth" of vibrational energy than
kundalini yoga. Taoist yoga deals with the channels of energy mediated by
the acupunture-meridian system. Kundalini yoga deals with the nadis sytem.
We have both systems within us. The meridian system consists of a deep and
a superficial system. The deep system called the Internal Duct System.
Another set of meridian tubules was called the Intra-External Duct system.
They form an independent network around the internal organs. The External
Duct system runs alongside the outer surface of the walls of blood and
lymphatic vessels and emerges in the layers of skin and at that point are
called the Superficial Duct system. All of the ducts are interconnected and
appear to interconnect with all cell nuclei of the tissues. There are
corpuscles which correspond to the acupuncture points. This system conducts
the nutritive energy called ch'i. The meridean system creates an interface
between the etheric and physical body and the meridian system is itself the
very first link between the etheric and manifesting physical body. The
meridians are the doorway between the physical and etheric bodies. They not
only carry hormones and nucleotides to cell tissue but also a special
electrolytic fluid which conducts certain types of subtle energies (ch'i)
from the external environment to the deeper organ structures.
The nadis system is a different system.The principle of matter of different
frequencies applies to even higher frequency matter than the etheric body.
Bodies of higher energetic frequencies are interconnected in dynamic
equalibrium with the physical. There is a human frequency spectrum, each
octave of which manifests as a different type of body enfolded within.
Using the analogy of octaves of music, we also find octaves of
electromagnetic energy. Gurdieff taught the octave theory.After the etheric
with its meridian system interface we have the astral which uses the nadis
system as its interface. The chakras (which conduct energy through all
levels & bodies) are connected to each other and the physical-cellular
structure by fine threads of subtle energetic matter we call nadis. The
meridians have a physical counter-part in the meridian duct system. The
nadis seem to parallel the nervous system and carry a fluid-like life-force
energy-etheric channels of energy but are purely consisting of subtle
energy and no physical matter. The close association with the nervous
system causes the nadis to affect the nature and quality of nerve
transmission in the brain and its networks. Dr. Hiroshi Motoyama, a
Japanese researcher, has discovered evidence of both systems
experimentally.
Tom Bradley wrote:
<But the phenomenon that kundalini training tackles seems to exist, and has
found a different expression in Taoist Yoga. One thing I've noticed is
that there's a greater emphasis in that tradition on the health benefits of
ki circulation. Also, the circulation is not confined to the spine - it
goes through channels in the trunk, arms and legs (do these correspond to
the nadis, and is there a broader movement of kundalini in the body, and
what is the connection between prana and kundalini?). Prolonged practice
of Taoist ki circulation leads to the ki permeating the entire body (it's
supposed to feel like millions of tiny fish swimming in your skin). The
source for this material is Taoist Yoga, and Secrets of Chinese Meditation,
both written by Lu Kuan Yu (Charles Luk).>
Tom
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:56:32 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Spiritually Correct
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E Jason wrote:
> So you are recognising your superficiality. So you also wish to progress - this is the
> first stage in making progress. Most people are interested in attention and stimulation.
> You will notice I provide that - after all if that is all people want - why not? :)
<snip>
> The forum is right to be suspicious of those acting in an
> obnoxious, sarcastic, idiotic, immature or other unbalanced way - the chances are these
> characteristics are part of a persons hang ups and are not being used for affect or for
> purposes of demonstration or some other higher motive.
This is painful for me. Superficiality is a happy wrapping on a shadow element. Remove the
wrapping and obnoxious, sarcastic, idiotic expression may spew forth. Darkness exposed on a
public forum where once I may have been known as nice, evolved and wise. I make light of my
darkness but it never fails to horrify me when it rears its ugly head for real.
But there is a difference between choosing not to express oneself through a recognised shadow and
superfically pretending the shadow is not there. I am quite painfully aware of my shadow elements
and I think many people on this forum are aware of theirs as well. If one makes the choice not to
express it, then that is not necessarily superficial.
> You have to be honest to what is right for you at a particular
> time *and* more importantly what is right for others.
<snip>
> However the best behaviour is to
> do what a situation and person requires. This is very difficult because the ego and
> natural inclinations of the person get in the way (from both sides). However because we
> are usually better at seeing flaws in others (we manage to see around the log somehow) we
> are if genuine able to both describe and prescribe for others. If we can develop the same
> objectivity when we examine ourself we may progress.
But if one *does* express themselves through shadow, believing sincerely that they know what a
situation or person requires, then we have a foolish lack of humility. As a fool, one cannot
possibly know for certain what a situation or person requires. But as you say, we express
ourselves foolishly knowing it is foolish to do so.
What choice do we have?
> > PS. Your dazzle is brilliant. :))
>
> Of course it is - it comes from supreme humility.
>
> Most Kind Regards,
> the dazzingly brilliant and supremely humble Lobster
LOL! I see your point! You fool! :))
The Wise One,
Zympht.
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:55:20 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com
Subject: /Taoist Yoga/``energy''/rudra piercing/flows
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Haven't been able to keep up with all the traffic on Qi Gong and Taoist
Yoga but ...
Although I've kept my eyes peeled I have not been able to receive any
teachings from any living masters of Taoist yoga/internal alchemical
practices. It is clear that there was/is a very rich tradition there. It
appears that it is similar in many respects to tantric Buddhist practices
which is not surprising due to their proximity. Charles Luk who has often
been mentioned here was an initiate into both systems. I presume the fact
that internal alchemy has so little contemporary presence,, relative to say
Tibetan Buddhism, is that many Tibetans managed to escape from Communist
China whereas few Taoists did. One would guess that Taiwan and Hong Kong
would be the last outposts of Taoist alchemical teachings. There is a book
on a westerner's trip to famous mountains of Taoists in China - the report
is pretty disappointing. Few apparently survived.
As for the most well known exponents of Taoist Yoga/Internal Alchemy. Dr.
Yang of Yang Martial Arts Association seems in my reading to pretty up
front that he is just doing the best he can to re-interpret the classical
texts. On the one hand I think that he is probably a gifted sensitive
person and will accomplish alot. On the other hand - one Tibetan text I
read compares``channel/nadi/rtsa'' meditation to butchery. If you know
exactly what you are doing it is a very clean effective process. If you
don't you are going to make a big mess.
Mantak Chia is probably the most widely known contemporary exponent of
Taoist Yoga. Mantak Chia notes some teachers but one again gets the sense
that he is drawing on a great deal of written literature. He seems to be
another very gifted person but Bruce Kumar Frantzis notes in his book
``Opening the Energy Gates of the Body'' that he has had to deal with a
number of ``basket cases'' from people who simply picked up [Chia's] books
and began to practice from them.
Bruce Kumar Frantzis was the first initiate of these traditions that I met.
Bruce brought one of my siddha yoga teachers, Swami Shivom Tirth, to the US
25 years ago. Bruce met him during his oriental travels. Bruce's book,
mentioned above, is very good and Bruce has an unusually broad exposure to
teachings. As for flows - Qi Gong practices, such as those he teaches, are
the closest I have personally found to the Taoist YOga of antiquity. The
microcosmic orbit taught there is an energy flow that begins with
inspiration, travels down to the navel cakra (tan tien)down to the root
chakra (can't remember the chinese spelling) then up the back to the crown
cakra and then down the front to the mouth again- hope I got that right.
I've asked Kumar Frantzis about the link between kundalini and Qi gong and
he gave me something of a gruff response (his background is in martial
arts). He did give me a tip though - Dragon in Chinese systems is the
symbol of the kundalini. Keep your eyes peeled for Dragon Qi Gong etc.
I have another Qi Gong teacher who studied with tantric Buddhists in China
about the relationship between kundalini, tummo, Qi Gong and internal
alchemy. His responses were not gruff but equally enigmatic. He feels that
Tibetan tummo and Indian kundalini yoga are too forceful and may lead to
many energy imbalances. Like many teachers his view does not include these
practices and he feels that Qi Gong is the best (and apprarently the only)
way.
Personally I feel that practices like the microcosmic orbits are good
``warm-ups'' but I believe that Taoist yoga must have had more ``powerful''
practices. This practice cleanses the channels but does not induce the
kundalini or drops/bindu/thigle to enter the channels. The Taoist
alchemical text discuss building up the steam at the navel cakra. I don't
think that simply practicing any of the dozens of Qi Gong practices I have
learned is ever going to accomplish that.
Two gratuitious tips on Qi Gong and Taoist yoga. A Buddhist monk or Indian
swami have religious traditions indicate that the teachings should be given
for the benefit of the student and not for the enrichment of the
instructor. I understand that not all rise to this standard but this is the
idea. Qi gong teachers come from more of a tradition like martial arts.
This is their livelihood - this is their special secret. Teachings are
given out with an eye-dropper and I've found a lack of willingness to
really help people to understand what is really going on. There is also a
great tendency to give very preliminary practices. The reason is twofold:
higher practices may be dangerous and they don't want to get sued. The
other is that if the teachings are given more slowly then they get more $$.
Once I asked a teacher for a specific practice. I got a lecture about how
many thousands of dollars the teacher had spent in order to receive his
training. This lecture was repeated many times subsequently. Eventually I
got the picture. I don't mean to be cynical and I of course cannot
generalize beyond the cases that I have encountered but I have checked
these perceptions with a number of friends from China and they have
confirmed my suspicions. Caveat emptor.
I do think that Qi Gong may also be our best shot at quantifying the energy
in scientific terms. There are a host of quacks - who have been debunked by
Skeptical Enquirer etc. but there are also legimitimate medical uses. I do
believe that people have received anesthesia by Qi Gong alone and the
medical use of acupuncture is well documented now.
As for rudra piercing and its complications. I have found Qi Gong very
healing for any energy imbalances that occur during kundalini awakening.
Finding a kundalini teacher would be best. Finding a Qi Gong teacher would
be next in my book.
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:25:13 -0700
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: <KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: question regarding ringing in the ears
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i am new to the list...
sometimes i have a ringing in my ear that lasts for only a minute and then
is gone.....
i have been told there is some non-physical explanation for this occurence
Can you please tell me; is it true and if so what is the explanation, if you
know it
Thank You
Stan
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:19:27 -0400
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: dcodaATnospamtherapist.net
CC: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>,
"'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
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Hello Elle and Tom,
I love your insight on the subject,
On accupunture-meridian system and the nadis system. In Buddhist kung fu
with the arrival of Bodidharma in the seven century in China. A system
as been build in other to join those two systems together so that the
nadis directly connect to the acupuncture points. The consciousness
fully grasping the flow, being the flow of "Chi" in all the body. For
that the Chinese changed ab bit the nadis system, making it go in a
circular path, called microcosmic orbit, in the body.
Personally I find a limit to this "nadis" system of china, in bringing
energy to this material world, because the flow follows an O in the
body, it doesn't go from earth to sky, directly, or vice versa. The have
to build, when the body can not assimilate enough Chi, what they call a
psychic Body. The quality of this system being the internal balance it
brings.
The system i found, that goes the deepest is a tibetan doctrine. They
call it Psychic heat, and is the equivalent of K awakening in some ways.
The emphasis is put on breath, you have to come each pore of your skin
breath, in and out. and your consciousness must become "big" enough to
visualize on each pore the faces of deities with different colors. They
you star lighting up the fire, that wont come out as surge, but will go
from the nadis to the accupunture-meridian system to the cells, and so
on, the execs will come out as heath by the skin pores.
For Tibetans that technique is the only one that can help to judge the
level of enlightenment of someone. No one can no hoe enlighten someone
is. But if someone can pass through the initiation of Spcychic fire,
than he must of attained a certain level of enlightenment for that.
The initiation is simple, and if passed, the tibetan can where the white
thin robe, than he wears even in winter.
Here is the initiation:
On a cold night of winter, in the himalayas, they go to a frozen lake.
The one to be initiated sits naked on the snow (not on the lake :-)).
All nigh long, people dip towels in the lake, and let them freeze. They
but them on the initiated skin, and from his psychic heat, he must dry
them, in a certain laps of time. They continue like this until the
sunrise. At the sunrise the snow around the initiated must also have
melted around a 2 meter radius and to a certain dept. Only then can he
where this very symbolic white robe.
A good book on the "microcosmic orbit" is:
The fusion of the five elements, by Mantak Chia
The only writings i found of this is in
Tibetan Yoga and Secrets Doctrines, Oxford University press. W. Y.
Evans-Wentz.
***watch out it's powerful stuff*** No trick to help you in there, only
to hurt you.
Elle D'Coda wrote:
snip
> Taoist yoga deals with a different "bandwidth" of vibrational energy
> than
> kundalini yoga. Taoist yoga deals with the channels of energy mediated
> by
> the acupunture-meridian system. Kundalini yoga deals with the nadis
> sytem.
> We have both systems within us.
snip
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:41:59 -0400
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Taoist Yoga
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Hello Tom,
You said:
"One thing I can ask right now is if the clearing of the eight psychic
channels can be undertaken in parallel with beginning Taoist Yoga, or
does it depend on first developing the heat in the tan t'ien?"
>From my experience, from going, from going from the chakras system of
Tibet, to that of India, to that of Buddhist kung fu (that uses the
taoist system for chakras mixed with the Buddhist one) and then back a
again to a new system of my own more based on the david start, from all
that I must say it's not an easy task. Your identify being build on the
center of your energy system, changing that center of place will put
your identity in crises for a while. But you grow stronger in the
process, more malleable. Your shield to the world will become weaker
during the process, your sensibility to others grow, and you'll wonder
where to store you energy.
It's not an easy process, but if you want to learn, and let be your body
as it is, without any systems in it, but your body being the system.
Then I would say go for it, we can only learn from that.
Courage and perseverance
Antoine
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:19:54 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com
Subject: cakras opening
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Recently someone mentioned that when the crown cakra opens then all the
cakras open. This is a good example of the kind of thing that I like to
investigate.
In my own experience I haven't found this to be true - although the obvious
explanation is that my crown cakra has just not opened wide enough.
>From the traditiona literature - I read a work from the Tibetan tantric
tradition recently that said that when the heart cakra opens [literally,
when prana enters the center channel at the heart] then all the other
cakras open. I've never found this to be the case either.
So what's the story?
I would return to my (familiar) garden hose analogy. Imagine a standard
linear irrigation system with 7 bi-directional taps. Presume also that in
the manufacture of these systems there is nearly always some extra plastic
in the tubing that creates resistance to the flow of water. The precise
amount placement of the extra plastic varies from one manufactured system
to another. Imagine a newsgroup dealing with user experiences on this
system. Someone might post:
``I'm not getting the throughput in this system that i would like - what
should I do''
In other words someone is having a less than full experience of kundalini
and wonder what to do about it.
Someone else might post:
``I've found that if you open the top tap then the flow of the entire
system is good.''
In other words, if you open up the crown cakra then the other cakras will
open up as well.
Someone might write:
``If you open up the middle tap then all the others open up.''
In other words, if you open up the heart cakra then all the other cakras
will open up as well.
So what's the real story?
In the analogy it's pretty clear that the flow through the system depends
on where the water is flowing from - from the top to bottom (white energy)
or bottom to top (red energy). It also depends on the ``manufacture'' of
your system. Where the extra plastic (kleshas, samksaras, vasanas or
obstacles) are stuck. Finally, it depends on how forcefully the individual
tap is opened. If there is a very strong flow coming in from any one tap,
depending on the direction, it might clear out all the other taps.
The reason that I go into this at this length is that I feel that this is a
good illustration of taking my own experience, that of others and the
traditional literature to try to build a broader model of the experience of
kundalini and energy flows. Of course the model may be incorrect. Time (and
experience) will tell.
Kurt
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:49:42 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: acarreATnospamconcentric.net
CC: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Taoist Yoga
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acarre wrote:
>
> Hello Tom,
>
> You said:
> "One thing I can ask right now is if the clearing of the eight psychic
> channels can be undertaken in parallel with beginning Taoist Yoga, or
> does it depend on first developing the heat in the tan t'ien?"
>
> >From my experience, from going, from going from the chakras system of
> Tibet, to that of India, to that of Buddhist kung fu (that uses the
> taoist system for chakras mixed with the Buddhist one) and then back a
> again to a new system of my own more based on the david start, from all
> that I must say it's not an easy task. Your identify being build on the
> center of your energy system, changing that center of place will put
> your identity in crises for a while. But you grow stronger in the
>........
>It's not an easy process, but if you want to learn, and let be your body
> as it is, without any systems in it, but your body being the system.
> Then I would say go for it, we can only learn from that.
>
> Courage and perseverance
> Antoine
Hello Antoinne !
What an astute understanding. In my own experiences I learnt from a
simple image. I wish to go from point A to B on a boat. I can choose
to put one foot on and the other foot on a second boat. If both boats
move in different directions, I am torn apart in the middle unless I
become so expanded that as the boats move in two different directions, I
am able to adjust my size accordingly.
So I have tried to take up one on one basis and found excellent results.
In that way I go where I want to go, without being torn apart, very
naturally and easily. In enjoy it.
Indra
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:42:27 -0400
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
CC: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Taoist Yoga
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> Hello Antoinne !
>
> What an astute understanding. In my own experiences I learnt from a
> simple image. I wish to go from point A to B on a boat. I can choose
> to put one foot on and the other foot on a second boat. If both boats
>
> move in different directions, I am torn apart in the middle unless I
> become so expanded that as the boats move in two different directions,
> I
> am able to adjust my size accordingly.
> So I have tried to take up one on one basis and found excellent
> results.
> In that way I go where I want to go, without being torn apart, very
> naturally and easily. In enjoy it.
>
> Indra
Yin and yang,
You are the force that holds together, I'll be the wind that one cannot
grab. As you try to reach me you will grow as i will try to reach you i
will form. It's the universal dance, process of creation. Let's not stop
it to a point.
As you say indra, taking up multiple systems at the time is not a joyful
experience and would not wish it for anyone. Integral yoga, as i now is
not a boat to ride from A to B. In this synthesis of yoga the focus is
to let emerge what is not yet. All the boat must converge to a point
that we don't know about yet.
But sometimes their is a call that comes from nowhere and everywhere, a
one muss follow it. Can we stop such a person from that? All we can do
is inform the risk he as in doing that and let him go with all our
blessings.
I don't have all your knowledge only my intuition to guide me, i could
be rong. Thank you for correcting me if i am.
Antoine
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:48:51 -0700
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Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Sunil R Peswani wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, indra wrote:
> >
> > > Some may question of my source of this information. I feel I should
> > > divulge that too publicly. One of Sri Aurobindo's greatest disciples,
> > > Dilip Kumar Roy, who was my mother's first cousin. I have had the
> > > opportunity to meet and talk with Dilip Kumar Roy on many occasions,
> > > in family settings, whenever he used to visit Calcutta from Pondicherry.
>
> Indra, thank you for sharing, ...... from so many aspects of consciousness. I do believe Sri Aurobindo's work is having an impact. What do you know of Sai Baba?
> Gloria
> > >
> >
> Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Hello Gloria!
Sometimes I have pondered over the need of so many paths.
There is story of Paramahamsa Ramakrishna which explained my question.
His answer illustrates very beautifully, to which my own writing on the
same would be superfluous." We are all children of the Divine Mother.
As her children we all have differents tastes.So she cooks for us all,
for some she makes porridge, for some meat dishes, for some fish dishes,
for some plain water/juice, for some egg dishes, for some vegetables.
She only allows us to be healthy as our system of assimilation is geared
for at the time.
In Love, Life and Light,
Indra
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:48:06
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
Cc: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Abundance of insight in India
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This is very interesting, because this is what I see happening in the
western world. We may complain sometimes, but the fact is, lower class
north Americans and Europeans have riches that the wealthiest Indian Raja
of old could never imagine, as the result of so much "Greek" thinking.
We North Americans are truly blessed, the standard of living represented
just by the mobility of the family car.. with the radio playing.. accessing
the variety of the local Safeways store.. these luxuries have never existed
before.
And what is happening, is that just like the Rajas of old India, folks
are looking around and asking "Is that all there is?" Cheetos and sattelite
TV..? Like that old jazz tune.. the result, an investigation of
non-material values, we are calling "the New Age".
Blessings, Mystress.
At 10:14 10/10/97 +0200, Sen Ashanka wrote:
>---- valerie cooper----
>> > v:indra; why do you suppose it is that so many 'eastern indians' are
>> > blessed with such *insight*?
>> > do you think it has anything to do with the abscence of money?
>> > *********************
>What had happened was that all this abundance and excess lead to people
>thinking about happiness and they realised that material gains would never
>lead one to complete unconditional happiness. That was when they turned
>their attention from outside of themselves to inside. This was the basic
>different between the Oriental outlook (in-look ?) and the Greek outlook.
>The Greeks looked and the outside world as their source of happiness, and
>so we see that the foundation of the materialistic excellence spring up
>from there.
>Cheers and love to all
>Ashanka
>
>
>
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