1997/10/10 02:40
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #506
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 506
Today's Topics:
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Re: A Question?
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: Energy
The Gate
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Re: Unidentified subject!
pearls b4 swine?
Re:pearls b4 swine?
Re: pearls b4 swine?
Re: Energy
Path of the Bodhisattva
Re: pearls b4 swine?
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Spiritually Correct
Abundance of insight in Indiat
Taoist Yoga
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:58:31 +1000 (EST)
From: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au (Graham Dumpleton)
To: glorybeATnospamintrepid.net (Gloria)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <199710092258.IAA10830ATnospambaldric.pad.otc.com.au>
Content-Type: text
> TO" Kourt Jester
> aha....surely you jest???? Then, may we assume you expect to be
> misunderstood..early and often??? But, please continue and perserve..we
> lurkers are so amused.. (big sigh)
> how many more petty squabbles may we expect???
Alas, the performance may be quite short. The Kourt Jester is actually on
holidays from his actual job and is filling in the position for a friend.
He has to soon don the black hood and return to his real job as the King's
executioner. The King has such a busy schedule. The job is also nowhere
near as fun. However, it is real gold I git, rather than the bad fruit and
vegetables of scorn thrown at the Kourt Jester. I may continue to lurk, but
probably will not have the time to sing and dance. The crowd applauds, they
have finally heard something that makes them rejoice.
--
Kourt Jester (kourt-jesterATnospamdscpl.com.au)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:24:19 -0500
From: "Gordon J. Bakken" <bgb0163ATnospamrs195261.ks.boeing.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: bgb0163ATnospamrs195261.ks.boeing.com
Subject: Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Message-Id: <343D67A3.41C6ATnospamsgmail.ks.boeing.com>
WHAT IS ENERGY?
Members of the group use phrases like:
"energy flows", "diffent energetic systems", "energy manifesting", "Kundalini energy", energy
movements", "higher energy, etc.
Energy is a word that physicists use. Their energy is pretty dumb stuff. It is the capacity to move
matter, also dumb stuff. A coiled spring, a candy bar, and a gallon of gasoline have their kind of
energy. I am sure we don't mean that. What do we mean?
The dictonary says energy is the "power to produce an effect". Is that what we mean? I really have
wondered.
When we talk about Kundalini or the Holy Spirit as being energy flows, we surely mean more than power.
Power without guidance is pretty useless. In fact most of us, if we could use more of anything, could
use more guidance for the energy we have. Do we really mean spirit, or life, or soul, or
intellegance, or mind, or God or something like that, when we say energy - something with purpose, not
just power?
Vibrations are like that also. Vibration is what you get when you hit a tin plate with a spoon. Is
that what we mean, when we sense someones vibs?
Gordon
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 18:55:25 -0600
From: bgb0163ATnospamrsf000.ks.boeing.com (Gordon J. Bakken)
To: Chuck Davis <roshicorpATnospamROSHI.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, bgb0163ATnospamrsf000.ks.boeing.com
Subject: Re: A Question?
Message-Id: <9710092355.AA20339ATnospamrsf000.ks.boeing.com>
>>Was Jesus Christ a Christian?
I think no. He was an orthodox Jew. He said follow all the
commandments (of Moses). No Christian today believs that.
Christians today believe that Jesus' death paid for sin. This is the
corner sone of Christianity, as I understand it. Jesus never believed
that. He said "If you forgive, God will forgive you".and " Keeping the
commandments will get you to heaven". Paul created Christianity, as I
understand it.
Gordon
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:37:35 +1000 (EST)
From: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au (Graham Dumpleton)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <199710100037.KAA12540ATnospambaldric.pad.otc.com.au>
Content-Type: text
> > > Yet, sometimes is it not the fool who is the most wise. :-)
> >
> > --
> > Kourt Jester (kourt-jesterATnospamdscpl.com.au)
>
> To the Kourt Jester:
>
> Do you claim to be wise ?
What does it mean to be wise anyway? Can there be any wise people if we
are all caught in maya? No, I am certainly the fool for I cannot see.
A comic for your amusement:
http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert970930.html
--
Kourt Jester (kourt-jesterATnospamdscpl.com.au)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 21:44:26 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Energy
Message-ID: <343D887A.3F59ATnospammail.snet.net>
Gordon J. Bakken wrote:
>
> WHAT IS ENERGY?
You could access the scientist of various fields and
the spectrum of spiritual systems for descriptions about
FORMS of energy.
But the ESSENCE of energy...this ego shall never know.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 23:30:35 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: The Gate
Message-ID: <343DA15A.22EFATnospammail.snet.net>
I release the dove
from the palm of my hands.
I release the expectation...
it is pain.
I've crossed a river of misplaced desire.
Now I face the keeper at the gate.
(It's me)
Standing at the gate,
With honesty I wait.
There's a breeze,
coming from the west.
Another angel, blows into the horn.
The first drop of rain I feel,
drop upon my skin.
No need to run for cover.
Just dissolve into the light.
Just beyond this gate,
There's something great I feel.
I'm going deeper into
the pool of mystery.
Where I can understand
an ancient part of me.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:05:39 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
CC: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-ID: <343DA980.38EEATnospamptialaska.net>
> > v:indra; why do you suppose it is that so many 'eastern indians' are
> > blessed with such *insight*?
> > do you think it has anything to do with the abscence of money?
> > *********************
>
> Probably, when one does not have anything material, hardpressed even to
> have a morsel of food to keep them alive, then I think Kundalini wakes
> up, due to the simple fact that at the time there remains no one to lean
> on, Its only God. When we can surrender fully, many things we need are
> provided by the Divine,
<snip>
v: so - to some extent, the abandonment of all hope & faith in the
material *world* is elemental to kundalini awakening, you are saying?
--
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:28:23 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Kourt Jester <kourt-jesterATnospamdscpl.com.au>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <343DAED1.3752ATnospamptialaska.net>
> >v: i must agree with Leonya that the words are *not* the experience(s),
> > but just different signposts pointing to the same destination.
>
>gd: At no time did I say the destination was anything different, we all seek to
> know God. I am trying to point out two things. The first is how we get
> locked into certain beliefs that the spirit realms have this structure or
> another and that no other structure is valid. We hang on to these
> structures, we actually think they are important to reaching the
> destination. This is the second point, why do we need to waste our time
> putting together and trying to understand these structures in the first
> place.
<snip>
v: i cannot recall erecting any *structures*...you must have me confused
with an 'archetype' of intelligensia in your *mind*. look at where i
live. can you reasonably say a *structured person*, esp a 'flakey
artist-type' would move to alaska in an 'organized fashion'?
>
>gd: Ahh but then I am the madman, I am the Kourt Jester (look, I even have my
> own email address). I challenge the Kings and Queens, I make fun of them.
> Since I am only the Kourt Jester feel free to ignore my words as they are
> just ravings and inconsequential in the end. But perhaps some in trying to
> understand what I am saying will at least compare them against their own
> beliefs. Even worse could happen, some may even allow themselves to be
> challenged into thinking differently. In the mean time I'll continue to
> tease the Kings and Queens, always coming ever so close to being hung at
> the gallows for my temerity of challenging peoples beliefs, of pushing
> them off their thrones. :-)
v: uh...i humbly beg your pardon, sir, but you hardly hold the copyright
as 'the fool' on this medium. there are many of us qualified amongst
this melee.
in your case, you appear to be projecting into another *identity* to
rationalize your incessant criticisms of other peoples ideas to yourself
& the other readers here. who are you to judge who are the Kings &
Queens & jesters? people are JUST people, and all are entitled to their
own unique perspectives...
but - don't let me shake your cage! if you want to be THE *COURT
JESTER* then - how about a little more entertainment, hmmm?
;-)
v
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:39:15 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: pearls b4 swine?
Message-ID: <343DB15C.35F6ATnospamptialaska.net>
dear kundalini list,
i cannot help but be struck with the preponderance of ego in here,
mostly in the form of people needing to *prove* they are right, at the
expense of everyone else's heartfelt beliefs, and under the guise of
*righteousness*.
imnsho, one just *knows* the TRUTH in one's heart, & any attempt to
describe it linguistically is like poetry, and *above* criticism, for it
is a *gift* of spirit. TRUTH needs no one to validate it, or 'tear them
off their thrones', or whatever - it just *is*.
i notice many people *need* to be *right* & be the one advising the
others. i see this as a *control issue* & stemming from insecure egos.
no one is *in control* here, except the List Mystress, & no one needs
to *prove* anything to anyone. if it is the *truth of the heart* & in
the *spirit*, it is valid. all attempts to demean & prove otherwise is
just 'petty bickering' of the *ego* & as flimsy as a stage setting...
it is nice to *contribute* rather than pick apart the TRUTH presented
here, like so much carrion, instead of the gifts which they are...
v
--
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:12:04 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:pearls b4 swine?
Message-Id: <199710100512.BAA07756ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
valerian wrote......" i cannot help but be struck with the preponderance of
ego in here,
mostly in the form of people needing to *prove* they are right, at the
expense of everyone else's heartfelt beliefs, and under the guise of
*righteousness*."
most people on this list don't post much, if at all.......i can't help but
remember the
opinions i had 10 or 15 years ago....not the same as today.....and i am sure
that a
few years from now i will have different opinions from those i may have
now....they
are sort of like furniture....all of which makes clear to me that i am not my
opinions
or beliefs....
.....there have been a few people of late who have been putting out a lot of
words....
which is fine, and easy to delete.....hope they don't have a lot invested in
them
Wishing you all days and nights full of
bliss,
Rick
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 21:32:07 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Rick Puravs <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: pearls b4 swine?
Message-ID: <343DBDB7.56F2ATnospamptialaska.net>
<snip>
> .....there have been a few people of late who have been putting out a lot of
> words....
> which is fine, and easy to delete.....hope they don't have a lot invested in
> them
v: very cool retort...
thanx!
--
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 22:24:51 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy
Message-ID: <343DBC22.690AATnospamsmartt.com>
David Bozzi wrote:
>
> Gordon J. Bakken wrote:
> >
> > WHAT IS ENERGY?
>
> You could access the scientist of various fields and
> the spectrum of spiritual systems for descriptions about
> FORMS of energy.
>
> But the ESSENCE of energy...this ego shall never know.
Indra writes:
The Supreme Energy called Brahman in the East is that essence.
One who knows it feels it, sees it, cannot explain it.
But it can be felt, known and seen. Quite a paradox , eh?
There is a sankrit word called "Uchhista" meaning food when chewed and
in one's mouth and given to another to eat.
So Brahman can never be "Uchhista" said Paramahamsa Ramakrishna when
asked the same question.
Indra ATnospam http://personal.smartt.com/~indra
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 22:50:08 -0700
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Path of the Bodhisattva
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971009225004.006cc130ATnospammail.eskimo.com>
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And we walk along the path
Becoming aware of our energy bodies
Learning, growing, remembering
The remembering evolves
into a soul knowing
Soul remembering the way home
Beacons of light along the way
Sweetness of synchronicity
Signs leading the way
The way home to our soul's essence
We return again to remember again
and again and again
and in the remembering
and in the forgetting
The Bodhisattva breathes
Who can speak of the path of the Bodhisattva?
Is this a choice? or is it a command from the depths of the soul?
What is involved in this study?
How does one prepare to take the vows?
Where are the present-day Bodhisattvas?
Sincerely,
ori^sattva
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:03:14 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: pearls b4 swine?
Message-ID: <343DD332.9E176E6AATnospambluewin.ch>
valerian wrote:
> no one is *in control* here, except the List Mystress, & no one needs
> to *prove* anything to anyone. if it is the *truth of the heart* & in
> the *spirit*, it is valid. all attempts to demean & prove otherwise is
> just 'petty bickering' of the *ego* & as flimsy as a stage setting...
> it is nice to *contribute* rather than pick apart the TRUTH presented
> here, like so much carrion, instead of the gifts which they are...
This is a nice contribution and you are most certainly RIGHT. Bickering and
control games make you uncomfortable, but may be exactly what some need to
arrive at the SILENCE of the TRUTH you so desperately crave.
I beg you to show me the way to purify the expression of my ego.
I seek a graceful way to allow the ripples of my corruption
settle out into the reflective polish of serenity.
This calm and quietude I know in the (non)effort of deepest concentration,
Yet the bickering and control games show me the magnitude
of my perfect imperfection.
Will you help or will you try, with your control game, to force me into
silence?
Love.
Zympht.
PS. I've been eating too much onion and garlic! :))
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:19:43 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-Id: <199710100620.CAA17093ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
I have been researching the concept of 'Transcendence Point' for more
than two years and have not found one that matches the definition
suggested below. I would appreciate anyone who knows of a similar
concept that would support it or even one that denies its validity.
Needless to say the term 'Transcendence Point' is as close as I could
get to what it actually is. It is not just a theoretical concept, however.
It is derived from experience. So I know the word 'point' can be
misleading. The experience, in striking the balance "at some *point* in
that final adjustment", is an instantaneous coming together of inner self
and outer reality that becomes the Joy of Oneness.
> "Transcendence Point", a place or focus in consciousness that lies
> precisely between the inner self and the outer world. When a perfect
> balance is struck, one finds an opening into the Realm of Joy. The
> Kundalini Joy Spot.
I'm wondering if there is some final or lasting release of K. It seems to
recycle many times daily. Although with each cycle, the time it takes me
to focus and find the point of balance is reduced.....the duration of effect,
increased.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 23:22:10 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, zymphtATnospambluewin.ch
Subject: Spiritually Correct
Message-ID: <343DC992.59A2ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Jason S. White wrote:
> > Now Dear Friends, who would like everyone to think what a nice, evolved, wise etc etc
> > person they are - so easy to do - so superficial.
>
> I would love for everyone to think that I am nice, evolved, wise, etc etc. The style of
> myposts certainly proves that. And this nice, evolved, wise response is just as
> superficial.
> So?
So you are recognising your superficiality. So you also wish to progress - this is the
first stage in making progress. Most people are interested in attention and stimulation.
You will notice I provide that - after all if that is all people want - why not? :)
> Yes. Well, sometimes. Sometimes nice, evolved, wise words are real and honest. I
> amcertainly a fool to think so. So?
Courtesy and being pleasant to others is usually a minor achievement. If you do not have
this capability then you must be considered sub-human - as most people and cultures
acknowledge the neccessity for this trait. Most of the Kundalites know this and honour it
(except that pesky Lobster and a few other mal-contents . . . ).
> The alternative is to show what a real and honest *bastard* I can be. Instead of sugar
> coating the words, I can sharpen them into stakes and pound them into hearts. Those to whom
>
> my words are directed will surely benefit from my realness and honesty.
No.
They may, they may not. You have to be honest to what is right for you at a particular
time *and* more importantly what is right for others. Some people behave in a particular
way and then justify it. Others try and behave in the way they think they should. Others
try to be honest with themself and honest with others. However the best behaviour is to
do what a situation and person requires. This is very difficult because the ego and
natural inclinations of the person get in the way (from both sides). However because we
are usually better at seeing flaws in others (we manage to see around the log somehow) we
are if genuine able to both describe and prescribe for others. If we can develop the same
objectivity when we examine ourself we may progress.
> This forum perhaps has an aversion to such dark expression. It is not SC (Spiritually
> Correct) to honor and acknowledge its validity. The bright flashing lights, heat and
> tingling sensations are too distracting to appreciate such depth of experience. My sarcasm
> is hateful and surely drops me down 2 or 3 rungs on the evolutionary ladder.
Yes Sir, it probably does. The forum is right to be suspicious of those acting in an
obnoxious, sarcastic, idiotic, immature or other unbalanced way - the chances are these
characteristics are part of a persons hang ups and are not being used for affect or for
purposes of demonstration or some other higher motive.
> > Aren't you the person who wanted to be wise? Good start! Another 20-30 years and you'll
> > have it cracked - maybe :)
>
> Thank you, but I am a fool just like you. Don't be so dazzled. I will still be a fool in
> 30 years when I have cracked the secret of consciousness and become lord and master of the
> universe.
You will indeed be a fool (as I am). The difference will be you will accept that with no
posturing, no need to be anything other than foolish, no need to be Wise.
> with Love,
> Zympht.
>
> PS. Your dazzle is brilliant. :))
Of course it is - it comes from supreme humility.
Most Kind Regards,
the dazzingly brilliant and supremely humble Lobster
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:14:11 +0200
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Abundance of insight in Indiat
Message-Id: <C125652C.002BF664.00ATnospamais.it>
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---- valerie cooper----
> > v:indra; why do you suppose it is that so many 'eastern indians' are
> > blessed with such *insight*?
> > do you think it has anything to do with the abscence of money?
> > *********************
>
> Probably, when one does not have anything material, hardpressed even to
> have a morsel of food to keep them alive, then I think Kundalini wakes
> up, due to the simple fact that at the time there remains no one to lean
> on, Its only God. When we can surrender fully, many things we need are
> provided by the Divine,
><snip>
>v: so - to some extent, the abandonment of all hope & faith in the
>material *world* is elemental to kundalini awakening, you are saying?
>--
>*********************
>valerie cooper
Well, it is a fact that a lot of spiritual ideas, (an Indian would love
to think all of it ;-) originated in India. It is not due to absense of
money. On the contrary, in the ancient world India was the richest and
the most powerful country. The whole world wanted to come to
India, all of Europe were in a race to discover a passage to India. Even
Christopher Colombus discovered America with the objective of finding an
alternate route to India.
Ancient India had riches, administration, spiritual knowledge, abundance.
It is very clear from the geography of the place that there is so much of
rich land being cultivated with archaic techniques and is a net exporter
of food grain..... etc. etc... blah blah....
What had happened was that all this abundance and excess lead to people
thinking about happiness and they realised that material gains would never
lead one to complete unconditional happiness. That was when they turned
their attention from outside of themselves to inside. This was the basic
different between the Oriental outlook (in-look ?) and the Greek outlook.
The Greeks looked and the outside world as their source of happiness, and
so we see that the foundation of the materialistic excellence spring up
from there.
So, although spiritual path and material paths are mutually exclusive,
it is not true that poverty breeds spirituality. All of the greatest
religious teachers were born in families with money and power, Rama,
Krishna and Buddha were born as princes in royal families.
What is happenning today is the path towards perfection. India needs
to learn a lot about material development and has a lot of spiritual
truths to give the world in return.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:53:27 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Taoist Yoga
Message-ID: <01BCD562.5F07F6C0ATnospamtomb.dev.PhoneLink.COM>
Dear Ox,
Thank you again for your reply yesterday. I'm pleased to be able to communicate with someone who has experience in Taoist Yoga. My own appreciation of the subject has been more theoretical, although I have practised zazen previously. However, I am at the point now where I'm looking for instruction. So, I'm looking to associate myself with a school that teaches Kundalini Yoga, since with the popularity of Yoga in general in the West there could be one nearby. I also want to practice Taoist Yoga , but I doubt I'll find instructors in that locally. I'll go through my copy of Taoist Yoga over the weekend, since - if it's okay with you - I'd like to seek clarification on some of the material which puzzles me but with which you're likely to be familiar. One thing I can ask right now is if the clearing of the eight psychic channels can be undertaken in parallel with beginning Taoist Yoga, or does it depend on first developing the heat in the tan t'ien?
I noticed another parallel between what I'd been saying about Gurdjieff's views on developing an astral body, and Taoist Yoga, which is that both emphasize that it is an alchemical process. Incidentally, I did an internet search on 'Gurdjieff' and 'Fourth Way', and noticed that some of the web pages mention him in conjunction with Taoism.
Lu K'uan Yu (Charles Luk), author of Taoist Yoga also wrote Secrets of Chinese Meditation, which contains additional material on T.Y. He draws at length on the autobiographical account of a Chinese practitioner. One thing that might interest you is that the writer relates switching his meditational focus from the lower tan t'ien (which he had concentrated on for years) to the centre in the chest - he immediately got substantial results from this. The same writer also talks about attending a Vajrayana Tibetan school, and his significant experiences there bear some similarity to the account I read in this discussion group of someone who attended a retreat in Holland. From what I've heard about Tibetan Yoga, it seems to partly combine elements of Taoist and Kundalini Yoga - Tibetan adepts did something called tumo (similar to the Chinese tu mo channel) where they developed an enormous heat running through the spine and actually had contests amongst themselves to see who could dry out the most number of wet blankets heaped on their backs.
As an aside, I have a friend who's a martial arts enthusiast. He went to train in some style of Tai Chi, and afterwards he and the other students went out for a drink with the teacher. The talk turned to chi, and the instructor gave them a little demonstration - he wadded up a piece of damp tissue, put it in an ashtray, moved his hand (palm out) back and forth a bit - and the tissue caught fire.
If you know anyone from Japan, you could ask them what the word 'keiraku' means. In the book 'Hara' by Karlfried Graf von Durkheim, which is about the importance of hara in spiritual culture, he includes a monograph about meditation in which the Japanese author refers to vitality vibrating in the twelve keiraku.
I see in your letter that you refer to the 'etheric' as well as the 'astral'. I've noticed this distinction in occult literature that I've read - the etheric body is active on the physical plane, but the astral body interacts on the astral plane. I think that the types of yoga we're discussing might be of use in astral projection - awareness of the circulation of energy in an immobilized body would be of use if you want to use the bodily form in cases where there is no proprioceptive feedback , i.e. sleep. It's interesting to note the information that's been appearing as regards CIA experimentation with these avenues - the techniques and perspectives that came from these activities may be of use to us. I've got a copy of 'Psi - Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain' written in the '70s about Soviet experimentation in these and related fields. Apparently they did research into boosting psychic power by means of machinery. One of the topics discussed is the human energy involved, and they cover the various terms that have been applied to it in different times and places - prana, orgones, Odic force and so on.
We're coming at Eastern esotericism from a Western perspective, so we'll probably have a 'pick and choose' experimental attitude to it (not that we're spiritual magpies of course!). From my own perspective this is what I want to do - to be able to develop ki and circulate it. I would like to make the psychic channel cleansing almost an autonomic process, and integrate it with self-remembering. I would use whatever means are to hand to achieve this - acupuncture, post-hypnotic training, prolonged meditation. I view with interest the appearance of the machines that can put someone in an appropriate brainwave state, and I think reinforcement of these states by use of biofeedback training might be a useful avenue to explore. Development of ki would seem to lead to astral experiences (I had a very vivid experiences of this nature once after zazen). Those goggles which detect an REM state and flash a light in your eyes would be handy for this. Astral ability would then provide me with the means of validating what Carlos Castaneda's been writing about as regards dreaming in his last few books, which has really caught my interest.
I mentioned in my last letter the possibility of scientific validation of ki. Well, maybe. But it might be that the phenomenon might be too much for the scientific method. The ultimate achievement of the world of matter is to create life, and the ultimate achievement of life is to create consciousness, and it might be that we're the microcosm to the macrocosm of a sentient universe -which would be the worker hidden in the workshop as one Sufi put it. So psi powers - which would include manifestation of ki or kundalini - might be expressions of us as fragments of divine intent, thereby beyond the scientific method. Not that we consider that an obstacle though!
Blessed be,
Tom
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