1997/10/09 16:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #505
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 505
Today's Topics:
RE: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
Which Mind II
Re: ARC messages
Fear
Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini)
Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Editing posts & Changing subject line
Re: Lobster criticism
thanks
S.P.C.A.A.
Unidentified subject!
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: Unidentified subject!
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:01:15 -0000
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
To: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: "'Tom Bradley'" <tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM>, "'John Pateros'" <johnATnospamanodyne.org>
Subject: RE: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
Message-ID: <01BCD51A.F1E03540ATnospamGURUDAVE>
Dear Tom:
Sorry, I was quoting Terry and forgot to remove his name at the bottom of the letter. Actually, I'm David or the Ox.
Tom here: <Both K and T Yoga place emphasis on transferring energy through the spine, and through various gates or chakras along it. But they diverge on other details. The question one could ask is are they complementary, or are they mutually exclusive systems. My attitude is that these disciplines owe a lot to their cultural and religious contexts in terms of the ways they systematize the states of achievement. I think that what we have is contrasting systems of esoteric physiology. Both built their systems on deep introspection on parts of the body, combined with visualization and breathing practices. Whether what they espouse is an absolute fact or an interpretation is another matter. >
The Ox:
My thoughts concurr with the description you have given of the differences between kundalini and taoist yoga. Energy is a living thing with a will, and these different cultures have developed their own unique inner culture. The differences are quite strong I think, although I'm only recently beginning to examine the Hindu traditions. I don't see a correlation between the tan t'ien and the chakras, but I could maybe accept a relationship. But I mentioned this briefly in another recent letter. However, I think it would be interesting to share ideas to understand more deeply these differences. You asked if these systems are "complementary, or are they mutually exclusive" and I feel both, but right yet I don't want to try and put it into words. Maybe this is heretical but if we are remembering our 'Self' maybe the energies around us (from astral to matter) are on a similar path unique to their culture.
One idea I have been working recently is the notion that tan t'ien is like an egg. I see two possibilities, 1) there are three tan t'iens in the belly, heart and brow, or 2) there is one tan t'ien percieved and interpreted differently by different spaces of being. Within the egg there are two energies, yin and yang, kundalini and holy spirit, dynamic and static, etc. They turn in balance or other otherwise the shell looses integration and the contents spill, filling the body with the rush of these energies. To me this would account for so many (I wonder if not all (the egoist, Steer part of me)) of the symptoms related to kundalini. To me the attributes of each tan t'ien are aspects of the divine: power in the belly, love in the heart, and wisdom in the brow. On the other hand peace is the attribute I associate with the base chakra (I might be way off on that). Anyway, I'll explain what has happened to me when the belly tan t'ien has spilled, and then I'll speculate on what I think happens on when the other two spill. In my practise right now I have to watch the tan t'ien in the belly. When I'm holding a difficult posture and I'm on that fine line between breaking and maintaining, one of two things happen, 1) focusing on the light turning, and separating from the process, finding the balance between being firm with concentration and sublimely relaxed---breathing deeply and letting the breath do the maintenance, I'm able to hold or, 2) loosing concentration, heat spills throughout the entire body, causing me to gasp for air. Added to this there seem to be two breaths at work here, an external drawing of air into the lungs and an internal blowing into the tan t'ien.
So first my speculation of what happens when kundalini manifests in the heart, and secondly in the brow.
a: When the heart spills I would imagine there would be a surge of rage, hatreds, confusion, anger, bitterness, etc. I imagine there would be a fracturing of the Self from the divine, an isolation from unity. When it is integrated, love as an aspect of the divine is manifest, embracing all back into Oneness without fracturing its unique dimension of perception and being.
b: When the brow spills I would imagine there would be dizzyness, that feeling you get when you loose your bearings, you're drawing a blank and you can't keep up with what is going on around you. The effect I would imagine is not quite stupidity as that is a measure of intelligence, but rather ignorance of the divine. When it is integrated, wisdom would be manifest. I think this may become, with balance between all aspects of tan t'ien, akin to Oneness, or true perception.
Of course these things speak of the process of awakening and not the fulfillment of it. But I also doubt completion. As I watch the breath I notice that there is a turning, circulating. One time I experienced a moment that was eternal. This seems strange I know, but there was an instant when the entire universe didn't exist except as this expansion and contraction, flowing through, to and from a center. There was no completion, only in that flow eternity. That center I later placed a few inches above (lying horizontally) the belly tan t'ien. It has been more than two years since that experience and I am still trying to learn how to realize it fully.
I guess I did want to try and put my idea into words. Ooops.
Back to your question of whether these systems are complementary or mutually exclusive, I think as a foreigner in Korea there is no way of adopting their system in their way. Westerners are learning much from the east at this time. That is as it should be, and vice versa. But, we learn and create our way, our own inner culture. While paying respect to theirs. There is an aboriginal saying (I believe I heard it from the Cree in Western Canada), "take what you need, and give what you can." That's it. That's it exactly. Right now in the west we are like babes creating our place, our line in the aftermath of spiritual death. We take what the universe provides us in the way of instruction from other cultures, but in the long run, we have to take responsibility for it as our own. So, I feel each system is both complimentary AND mutually exclusive.
To cite Mystress, 'here's a left turn':
As I watch myself throughout the day, I notice that during and after meditation, many experiences I am unable to remember later. Much like they happened in a dream. I seem to travel up and down through this spectrum of energies throughout the day. Well right now I am very deeply rooted in the realm of matter, and trying to recall, draw down and make sense of what I've glimpsed at other times and spaces. This by way of a disclaimer.
Peace and love,
The Ox.
PS. I'll get the book about Gurdjieff. Thanks.
PPS. What does your salutation 'Tara' mean?
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:44:27 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Which Mind II
Message-Id: <9710092031.AA24835ATnospamns.valunet.com>
I meant to continue in previous post........
I read a paragraph here a day or so ago which brought a basic thought to my
mind.
Mr. J. Miller wrote " .....The " just enjoy the high " can best be
explained as TOO LITTLE SLEEP on my part.........".
We have all said that.
Which mind speaks when we have Too Little Sleep ?
How many minds are there ?
Are they all verbal ?
Deep Uh ?*
*
Drew
" So Far : So Good "
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:51:26 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ARC messages
Message-ID: <343CA91A.667DATnospamintercomm.com>
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Homepage in sig is ok fine. Good, we get to know each other.
> Whole huge post promoting homepage that has little to do with kundalini?
> uh, not.
> Posting attachments not ok.
> Usually it is recommended to where ever possible post the URL of a page
> instead of reprinting the text ... so posting an attachment of the page
> instead is really going over the edge, eh?
> I am still laffin' tho...
Gloria
Good, glad you are.
>
> By the way, I have been really enjoying your posts lately..
> >>
> >> (sponsored by the Violet Flame Bar and Grill)
> >> **Seafood, our specialty!**
> >
> >--
> >
> >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
> >Gloria Joy Greco
> > e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at:
> >http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
> >My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for
> >spiritual growth.
> >
> >
> >
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for
spiritual growth.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:03:13 -0400
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Mailing list (Kundalini)" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Fear
Message-ID: <343D1C60.F3225CEATnospamconcentric.net>
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Someone sent this in antoher list, it can help sometimes.
Antoine
----
An excerpt from Nelson Mandela´s 1994 Inaugural Speech
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our Light, not our Darkness that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous,
talented, fabulous?
Actually, who are you NOT to be?
You are a child of God. Your playing small
does not serve the World.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people
won´t feel insecure around you.
We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.
It is not just in some of us; it is in everyone.
And as we let our own Light shine, we unconsciously
give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear,
our presence automatically liberates others.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:39:47 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
CC: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini)
Message-ID: <343CA660.15DEATnospamintercomm.com>
David Tompkins wrote:
>
> Kurt wrote:
> <So this is a long-winded way of saying that while I respect the uniqueness
> of your experience I think that your characterization of kundalini as
> ``mild dragon'' is as limited as my characterization of the white
> bodhicitta-holy spirit as ``a blissful drip''. I can appreciate that you
> have a personal ``wiring''that allows you a deeper experience of the
> descent from above. I would be gratified if you would acknowledge that: 1)
> some of us have a wiring that gives us a more profound experience of the
> ascent of kundalini. 2)both of these energies have a common basis and are
> fundamentally equal. Each has relatively inferior or superior
> manifestations but united at the heart or the crown there is no value in
> describing the superiority of one over the other.>
Gloria:
No need to debate, it is all the same. God Bless. Gloria
>
>
>
> Peace and love,
> The Ox.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at:
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spiritual growth.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:45:18 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
CC: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Message-ID: <343CA7AA.78F5ATnospamintercomm.com>
ori^ wrote:
>
> Dear List members,
>
> The discussion about various energy flows has been quite
> thought provoking. What is it that allows us to perceive
> the energy which moves through us? Why are diffent energetic
> systems and interpretations developed in different cultures?
>
> How is the process of awakening related to these various
> energetic flows? Kundalini awakening might be but one type
> of awakening... how is it the same or different from others?
Gloria
Everyone has some kundalini flow who is creative and focused, this is
that energy manifesting. I have obviously brought up some points that
are uncomfortable for some folks which is not my intention. I have
shared from my experience, it need not be accepted however. I am happy
with the sharing... it one way or the other.
>
>
> Ram wrote:
> >Kundalini energy is of many types. It is energy of astral thought
> >level. K-energy of hate level tends towards matter more compared
> >to k-energy of love level.
>
> This seems to relate to my thought about the kundalini energy being
> activated initially on various levels before it is activated on the
> physical. I wonder if sometimes the imbalances occur because one is
> not balanced in each of the levels.
>
> Kurt wrote:
> >I want to understand everyone's perspective - Christian Charismatics,
> >Taoists, Qi Gong pracititioners, Tibetan Tantrists and try to
> >integrate all of these. Each of these traditions has a different
> >depiction of energy flow and places a somewhat different emphasis
> >on the final destination of the flow.
>
> I think your idea of inventoring the energy movements is
> wonderful and would provide a useful reference document.
>
> Ram wrote:
> >But higher energy is way beyond these k-energies.
>
> What is the connecting point between k-energies and
> higher energies?
>
> In service to the process of awakening,
> ori^
>
>
>
> ori^
> <mailto: oriATnospameskimo.com>
> Kundalini Resources on the Web
> http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/kundalni.htm
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at:
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:13:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>, kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-ID: <343CA050.5C70ATnospamintercomm.com>
Sunil R Peswani wrote:
>
> On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, indra wrote:
>
> > Some may question of my source of this information. I feel I should
> > divulge that too publicly. One of Sri Aurobindo's greatest disciples,
> > Dilip Kumar Roy, who was my mother's first cousin. I have had the
> > opportunity to meet and talk with Dilip Kumar Roy on many occasions,
> > in family settings, whenever he used to visit Calcutta from Pondicherry.
Indra, thank you for sharing, it is nice to see how the connections come
together from so many aspects of consciousness. I do believe Sri
Aurobindo's work is having an impact. What do you know of Sai Baba?
Gloria
> >
>
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:13:58
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Editing posts & Changing subject line
Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19971009121358.56df6642ATnospammail.eskimo.com>
Hello List Members:
To save the time of the readers:
Short form is:
1) Please edit posts being replied to
2) Please reply to posters privately with remarks or questions
not suited for 300+ readers, especially those of a sentence or 2.
3) Please change subject line when subject changes or when replying
to a post without a subject line.
_______
Longer, narrative form:
1) I want to 2nd the request by the Lyst Mystress to remind
everyone to edit posts you are replying to.
This list has grown and in order to continue to be a viable
avenue of support and information, we each need to do our
part to save the time of the readers.
When each one of the 300+ members of this group has to
take time to scroll through quoted material, that adds up
to a lot of time and frustration which could be redirected
toward more fruitful activities.
2) Likewise... please respond to posters privately if your remarks
(especially those of a sentence or 2) would not serve to enhance
the understanding of 300+ people.
3) Please change the subject line if the topic changes and/or if you
reply to a post without a subject line. This greatly enhances
being able to follow a thread... as well as knowing when to delete
topics one has no interest in.
As new members subscribe and the volume of this list increases and
becomes an increasing avenue of support for people around the world,
we each need to do our part at following simple list "netiquette"
to keep it manageable, and friendly too.
Kundalini-l is a gateway, and as such we each need to pitch in
to make it as user-friendly as possible.
Thank-you for your assistance.
In service to the process of awakening,
ori^
ori^
oriATnospameskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 21:50:43 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Lobster criticism
Message-ID: <343D43A3.143B568BATnospambluewin.ch>
E Jason wrote:
> Jason S. White wrote:
>
> > The Lobster likes to communicate unfavorably - his choice. But if that
> > touches a nerve in you, if that makes you squirm, that is yours. In his
> > way, Lobster helps people see the fragile ego constructs (psych: complexes)
> > to which they desperately cling. He also reveals his own constructs in his
> > criticisms. For example, his insistence on humility is an attempted veil
> > over a lack of it.
>
> Hooray! Well said. Of course it is my choice.
> Bad, naughty, unpleasant Lobster - So?
> :D
<snip>
> Now Dear Friends, who would like everyone to think what a nice, evolved, wise etc etc
> person they are - so easy to do - so superficial.
I would love for everyone to think that I am nice, evolved, wise, etc etc. The style of
myposts certainly proves that. And this nice, evolved, wise response is just as
superficial.
So?
> Real?
> No. We have to be honest with each other - that is real kindness, we have to point out
> foolishness - knowing it is foolish to do so and so on.
Yes. Well, sometimes. Sometimes nice, evolved, wise words are real and honest. I
amcertainly a fool to think so. So?
The alternative is to show what a real and honest *bastard* I can be. Instead of sugar
coating the words, I can sharpen them into stakes and pound them into hearts. Those to whom
my words are directed will surely benefit from my realness and honesty.
This forum perhaps has an aversion to such dark expression. It is not SC (Spiritually
Correct) to honor and acknowledge its validity. The bright flashing lights, heat and
tingling sensations are too distracting to appreciate such depth of experience. My sarcasm
is hateful and surely drops me down 2 or 3 rungs on the evolutionary ladder.
> Aren't you the person who wanted to be wise? Good start! Another 20-30 years and you'll
> have it cracked - maybe :)
Thank you, but I am a fool just like you. Don't be so dazzled. I will still be a fool in
30 years when I have cracked the secret of consciousness and become lord and master of the
universe.
with Love,
Zympht.
PS. Your dazzle is brilliant. :))
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:57:07 +0000
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Subject: thanks
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:47:43 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: S.P.C.A.A.
Message-Id: <199710092047.NAA22020ATnospammailtod-2.alma.webtv.net>
Dis little ego went to market.
Dis liddle ego stayed home.
Dis littl' ego ate lobster;
Dis liddl' ego had none.
Dis LIDDED ego roared, "I WANT SOME
attention,"
and if i donno git any,
i gonna runaway from home
and reportcha
to the
Society for the
Prevention of Cruelty
to
Associated Altar-egos.
me,me,me!
mi,mi,mi!
And for Da Rest of Da Story
all the little egos went we! wee! eWE!
all da way Om.
Da end.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:43:11 PDT
From: "zarcon pitom" <zarconpitomATnospamhotmail.com>
To: KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <19971009224312.11534.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Love and Light to all
Tonight is the 7th night
The wind in the trees speaks volumes
The voice of the One comes forth strongly
IT is now the time of thinking
Time for inscribing the book of life and the book of the dead
The year ahead will be traumatic.....
Friends to what is termed "Mother Earth" must come forth and heal the
rifts
Those who know "Father Time" are clear in the anger which spews forth
Too many ignore the Light.....too many.....bring them closer.....show
them the good.....show them the right path.....
The wrong path stems from before old egypt.....the wrong path was
bragged about in the names of the store houses of egypt.....Pithom and
Ramses......something has been lost in translation and similarities of
languages over the eons.......Pi (pronounced Pee) tom (pronounced as in
the last syllable of bottom) means in Hebrew.....SUDDENLY (there is no
"th" combination in Arabic or Hebrew.....this is again an english
translation)
breaking Ramses into syllables.....RA in Hebrew means Bad or
EVIL.....the s ending in english is an indication of a plural ending;
change the ending to eem (plural ending in Hebrew) Ramseem
if it is not pluralistic then it is a pronounciation difference...eg.
MOSES in Hebrew is pronounced MO SHE (as in the first syllable of
shetland)
and if we pronounce mseem as ma seem then we have the word maseem for
DEEDS......now during the time of the Hebrew slavery in egypt we have
two storehouses built whose combined names mean "suddenly evil deeds"
makes you think that the there was an attempt at a warning.....Beware
the evil deeds!!!!! or in the singular, Beware the evil deed!!!!!!
I turn to the Chakras and find of them much truth.....but to seek them
out and understand them and benefit from them, the physical must first
learn to be at peace with itself.....inner turmoil is
counterproductive.....my physical knew much turmoil as have many of
you.....discarding black bits and entering the light is a difficult
process.....exhausting process to undergo for the newly
enlightened.....very worthwhile pursuing.....ask my physical....it
experienced headaches.....after the headaches went (blocked 'K' energy
for 14 years then reawakened.....but that is a story for another time)
the Chakras, Chi, Ain Soph OR.....related and yet different.....
Chi triggers memories in my physical of violent training and violence in
general.....for chi is associated with Martial Arts for my physical.....
Ain Soph Or is associated with Zohar and Kabbalah.....Zohar is the
fundamental study prior to Kabbalah.....
the Chakras.....this list discuss them frequently......and so the
centres are known to you.....
Armageddon.....also called megiddo.....i have seen it before.....and i
may see it again.....the book of the dead shall be inscribed as will the
book of life with whom shall live and whom shall die and when and
how.....other things are inscribed, as well, in the book of
life.....your physical's deeds and experiences are known to the
One.....Armageddon.....Will you prevent it.....use your energies
NOW.....The corners of the world need positive forces at
work.....positive energy.....there is a new Negative power coming to be
heard and seen.....it is usurping the Negative Energy put
forth.....Counter it with your Positive Energy.....the Negative comes
from the well of darkness.....
The Offworlders have been here before.....look unto the mountains and
you will see your friends.....Eziekel saw the wheel a turning way in the
middle of the sky.....there are other instances.....you have
heard.....you call them by various titles, greys are but a single title
for offworlders
The realms collide.....there is a hole opening between the etheral and
non-etheral.....the light and the dark will merge for a time.....then
find their respective places.....
zarcon was,is and will be the messenger forewarning the darker
side.....it is necessary to know of what may be, so that the physicals
may change the paths and alter the time to-come.....for the time to-come
is not set until it is now
In the physical realm, there are those that use the term "prophet of
doom" to refer to the being that tells that which the physicals do not
want to hear.....Yet hear you must.....for not all the paths are paths
of pleasantness.....ignoring those paths does not mean they are not
there.....recognize them and deal with them in an appropriate
manner.....zarcon is the voice that makes the physicals look at what the
physicals do not want to see.....a difficult task to be sure.....but it
too must be done.....This list has a function to help the physical realm
achieve the light.....it's function is noble and good.....Mangal to
all.....Indra, Lobster, Gloria, Bob, Linda, Angelique and all those not
named.....Namaste Ashtu
zarcon does many things, knows many things.....zarcon fulfills the
current task and then the task shall change again.....for when a
knowledge is shared it no longer becomes a task.....then a new task is
undertaken.....
Free Will allows you to heed my words or ignore them.....CHOOSE.....i
comment not upon your choice.....it is your path you choose.....
My advise.....Choose well
zarcon
i am of the ages
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:46:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au (Graham Dumpleton)
To: ombabajiATnospamhotmail.com (Colin Jones)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <199710092246.IAA10672ATnospambaldric.pad.otc.com.au>
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> > And here we are, the proof is in the pudding. That which was described
> > cannot actually be understood, but yet I am lambasted by others for not
> > understanding it. No one else can understand the Kourt Jester either as
> > he talks in nonsense and riddles. So it is that Gurus try to teach that
> > which cannot be understood. Is there then a point to it. Why can't they
> > just teach Love. Ahh but then that isn't as attractive as trying to
> > learn what can't be understood and thus wouldn't attract near as many
> > followers would it.
>
> Dear Graham,
>
> Excuse Me? There are far more "Gurus" teaching Love rather than
> Truth. Because people feel much more comfortable with it, just like
> you. People that keep trying to understand, rather than Experience. Of
> course there is a point to talking about something that cannot be
> understood. It is a signpost, a way of pointing. Will looking at the
> signpost get you anywhere? Obviously not, you have to walk the path to
> actually get to the location.
A little rhyme for you:
All these signposts
they do obscure by view
I burn them to the ground
allowing me to see
the pure majesty
of God's love for me.
> Anyway, I hope this to be my last post to you, since you really do
> seem to lack the required intellect to even argue logically. Sorry.
But then perhaps the obstacle to understanding our sprituality is logic
itself. Why can't we just be accepting, after all you keep saying that we
can't understand what can't be understood, so how does logic actually help.
--
Kourt Jester (kourt-jesterATnospamdscpl.com.au)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:49:44 +1000 (EST)
From: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au (Graham Dumpleton)
To: haskinATnospamcadsys.ENET.dec.com (Leonya)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <199710092249.IAA10739ATnospambaldric.pad.otc.com.au>
Content-Type: text
> >I challenge the Kings and Queens, I make fun of them.
>
> >We just all seem to think that we must have knowledge. Well the Kourt
> >Jester thinks this is madness.
>
> Dear Jester who tries to rationalize his behavior,
>
> I'm afraid that in this act, the jokes might be on you.
But is that not the job of the Jester, to be the fool.
> A Jester who thinks he has a purpose or an excuse for his act is
> usually the most tragic character of all...
Yet, sometimes is it not the fool who is the most wise. :-)
--
Kourt Jester (kourt-jesterATnospamdscpl.com.au)
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