1997/10/09 00:00
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #503
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 503
Today's Topics:
Re: ARC messages
Re: favorite charities
Re: ARC messages
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Re: favorite charities
Kundalini Joy Spot
Re: Piercing Rudra Knot
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: ARC messages
Re: ARC messages
RE: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
Re: Head energy and "middle chakras" (was First time Post)
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
absence
Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
RE: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini)
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:24:42
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: ARC messages
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971008142442.35f7ae06ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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At 16:50 08/10/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
>Dear Friends,
>Below are some of the facilities available on the ARC website.
>ARC
>http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
<snipped>
>Attachment Converted: "C:\SLIP\EUDORA\SIG~11.HTM"
>
Spam, and an attachment on K-list? An attachment that is the index for a
website ?
I laughed so hard I started coughing, and had to get water..
Someone responded to one of my posts, o awhile ago.. to call me a bitch..
and this gave me the opportunity to express about my experience.. that
usually the only people who deliberately choose to try to annoy me, are
submissive maschochists who are in denial.
They seek to get the energy from me that they crave, by being annoying,
in unconscious hopes that I will respond to punish and humiliate them. That
way, they think they can get what they want and need, without ever
admitting that they want and need it. From a safe distance, too..
For my part, I tend to laugh at them and give them more denial, so maybe
they will wake up to their real reasons for seeking my attention, the truth
of their own submissive nature.
Now here we have our humble little "service oriented" lobster buddy,
whose comments I have chosen to ignore of late.. mostly because of some
growing suspicions as to his true motives, in posting them, through the
lens of my admittedly warped Dominatrix view of things.. and if my
suspicions be true, what if the needs for my attention are not met thusly?
What extremems of behavior will result?
...here he is, deliberately breaking three list rules, in one post.
Interesting, eh?
I think it's really interesting.. snort.. snicker... giggle... laff..
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Blessings, Mystress Serpent.
(sponsored by the Violet Flame Bar and Grill)
**Seafood, our specialty!**
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:30:19 -0400
From: heidi <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: favorite charities
Message-Id: <199710090230.WAA05627ATnospamadan.kingston.net>
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>> > Giving and giving without getting anything back, leads to resentment and
>> >burnout. Not a very holy state.. even Christ got a foot massauge, and a
>> >nice palm leaf donkey ride parade.. and was way grateful for both.
>> >
>> Mystress
>>
>> It is of the utmost importance to replenish oneself as often as needed for,
>> if we allow our "well" to dry up, there will be nothing left to give to the
>> thirsty.
>>
>> buckets of Love
>>
>> Am
>
>Heidi !
>Resentment, Burn Outs and Anger comes from the nonfulfillments of our
>expectations, and when we fail to emphathize or understand the other.
>I will relate an experience of my own on what receiving means when not
>expecting anything and giving in the first place.
>
>
>Indra
>
>
>
Dear Indra,
if you look closely, you'll notice that I wrote the second paragraph to
answer to the first one. However, ss'arright hombre ;)
Love and Peace,
Am "Heidi" only in address ;) ;)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:33:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: ARC messages
Message-ID: <343BD212.A9BATnospamintercomm.com>
> What extremems of behavior will result?
>
> ...here he is, deliberately breaking three list rules, in one post.
> Interesting, eh?
> I think it's really interesting.. snort.. snicker... giggle... laff..
> ROTFLMAO!!!!
> Blessings, Mystress Serpent.
Am I getting this right, we are not suppose to give out our homepage?
Gloria
>
> (sponsored by the Violet Flame Bar and Grill)
> **Seafood, our specialty!**
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for
spiritual growth.
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:31:29 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-ID: <343BD180.1000ATnospamintercomm.com>
MrNamaste wrote:
>
> "The big challenge is how to experience this on the internet."
>
> Has anybody out there experienced this?
> Or experimented with experiencing this??
I think I missed something, experience what on the internet? Gloria
>
>
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for
spiritual growth.
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:35:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: favorite charities
Message-ID: <971008233148_519837115ATnospamemout14.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-10-06 00:01:10 EDT, you write:
<<If I use K. fire to cast an etheric "Lighthouse" for a
>charity event, for example, then it will likely double the attendance.. >>
Just out of curiosity, how exactly do you do this?
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:00:26 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-Id: <199710090400.VAA04165ATnospammailtod-2.alma.webtv.net>
"The ascent of man into heaven is not the key, but rather his ascent
here into the spirit and the descent also of the spirit into his normal
humanity and the transformation of this earthly nature. For that and
not some post mortem salvation is the real new birth for which humanity
waits as the crowning movement of its long obscure and pain ful course."
"The Human Cycle", page 329
Sri Aurobindo
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:13:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Piercing Rudra Knot
Message-ID: <971009001209_1544088523ATnospamemout11.mail.aol.com>
Dear Sue,
Since an NDE, I am able to see "global" energy. This is usually something
that effects people on a large scale. I do NOT see the so-called "Earth
Changes." Rather, what I see seems to be on the etheric planes, before it
becomes real enough for people to see, feel, etc.
Starting in August, I began to see rapidly developing patterns and
processes that had no break between them. (Until that point, things had been
speeding up faster and faster, but there was usually a little break between
processes.) I kept seeing pictures layered on top of one another and could
not understand what they meant. After repeated meditations to get clarity
and guidance, this is pat of what I was given.
We are in a time of building a foundation and yet at the same time
tearing away the structures we do not need or that are slowing us down. It's
as if we are like a block of stone that is being sculpted (which is one of
the images I was shown). Hidden inside the stone is the core, the statue we
are trying to get to. All the rock that is carved away is what we need to
let go of on all levels of our being... physical, emotional, mental, and
spiritual.
The processes taking place should enable us to do this. We've been
through the physical level and are almost through the emotional. About
mid-October, the mental starts and about the beginning of December, the
spiritual begins. It ends about mid-January. One of the images for the
spiritual process clearly showed a bridge.
I then saw the image of the 7 major chakras. The info that came with
that is that this is also working our way up the chakra system. So, the
physical process would corespond to the 1st chakra, emotional to the 2nd
chakra, mental to the 3rd chakra, and spiritual to the heart chakra, the
"bridge" that leads to the higher chakras.
The energy I'm aware of affects people whether they're conscious of it or
not. I believe it's available, though, as a support to help us (and the
planet) to build a base for some huge changes in our perceptions in reality.
Perhaps this is the "reality shift" you mentioned that you felt you were
on the brink of. If so, keep in mind the time periods and the areas of
strongest energy. This is broken down into portions, but each one builds on
the previous and is connected. We seem to need to build a "base" for
something that is coming. Don't ask me what, I haven't been shown anything
yet beyond January.
I experienced some of the symptoms you mention along with dizziness and
sometimes disorientation. It will pass if you can just manage to work with
it. I feel sure you can tune into the guidance you need. You may need to
play "catch up" with the energy that's flowing, but it is actually meant to
support those in the process. These energies are quite powreful and can
easily cause tension and/or stress. Try to look at the issues that come up
calmly and let them flow past you without hooking into them. Just take one
step back and consciously let your grip on an issure relax. It's one of the
only things I've found that consistently works with this stuff.
I know this may sound weird to some and I don't know how I know these
things, but it's been happening for over 4 years now and I've learned to
trust the "knowing" that comes to me when I see energy. Maybe it doesn't
have a direct connection to K, but I do believe it's info that is
particularly applicable to people with active K who are often on a bumpy
path. I for one need all the help and input I can get!
Hope this helps you --- and everyone else --- a little!
Love,
Kathy
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:57:22 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Graham Dumpleton <Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au>
CC: Colin Jones <ombabajiATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <343C642B.3484ATnospamptialaska.net>
<snip>
>gd: At different times we have choices about one path or another which we might
> take. It would seem that a lot of people are simply hopping on the freeways
> representing what is popular or the trendy thing of our time. They get
> stuck on these freeways and frankly many probably don't want to get off
> because they think it makes life simpler because they do not have to think,
> they do not have to descriminate. Well who is to say that there isn't some
> accident just around the corner and the traffic on the freeway isn't at a
> standstill. They seem to have so committed themselves to believing in one
> thing or another that they have closed off all the other immediate choices
> they may have and thus to get off the freeway is harder than what it may
> otherwise might be.
> So perhaps a lunatic running around on the freeway making a lot of noise
> might just wake a few people up to at least realise that they have been
> closing off to the other possibilities which exist. Some might even start
> thinking why I am on this freeway anyway.
<snip some heart-talk>
v: dear mr. dumpleton; your analogies of the freeway & constructs of
material transportation is saying something similar to what mr. jones
was saying, as i read it, only using different analogies. they are all
just *words* on a screen & thrice removed from the imminance & immensity
of the totality of beingness. i must agree with Leonya that the words
are *not* the experience(s), but just different signposts pointing to
the same destination.
taken to a molecular level, we are all composed, & all *material
reality* is composed of electrons & atoms & so on. it is the resonancy
of the 'deciphering tool', aka the *mind*, which determines how we each
perceive THE TRUTH. our perceptions change accordingly with the
frequency rate the *mind* emits; i.e. - faster is one way - stress &
confusion, slow is more relaxxed & open; such as dreams while we sleep.
being able to control the *intellect* & *ego* part of mind changes one's
perceptions of one's perceptions. water seeks it's own level in all
things. the more ethereal & lighter we become, the more we notice that
level, instead of staring at the mud.
but, in the end, one can only measure one's own *TRUTH* within one's
own heart, not needing anyone to agree or disagree...
this is what i have learned throughout the ages.
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:19:42
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ARC messages
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971008201942.35273988ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Homepage in sig is ok fine. Good, we get to know each other.
Whole huge post promoting homepage that has little to do with kundalini?
uh, not.
Posting attachments not ok.
Usually it is recommended to where ever possible post the URL of a page
instead of reprinting the text ... so posting an attachment of the page
instead is really going over the edge, eh?
I am still laffin' tho...
By the way, I have been really enjoying your posts lately.. you have been
streaching yourself more in your expressions, not repetetive, very
interesting stuff. Cool. Might not agree always, find it interesting
anyway.. Thankyou for that.
Blessings, Mystress.
At 19:33 08/10/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Am I getting this right, we are not suppose to give out our homepage?
>Gloria
>>
>> (sponsored by the Violet Flame Bar and Grill)
>> **Seafood, our specialty!**
>
>--
>
>Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
>Gloria Joy Greco
> e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at:
>http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
>My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for
>spiritual growth.
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 21:22:58 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: ARC messages
Message-ID: <343C6A26.58EATnospamptialaska.net>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> >mas: What extremems of behavior will result?
> >
> > ...here he is, deliberately breaking three list rules, in one post.
> > Interesting, eh?
> > I think it's really interesting.. snort.. snicker... giggle... laff..
> > ROTFLMAO!!!!
> > Blessings, Mystress Serpent.
>
> Am I getting this right, we are not suppose to give out our homepage?
> Gloria
> >
> > mas: (sponsored by the Violet Flame Bar and Grill)
> > **Seafood, our specialty!**
v: i glean that mystress angelique is "punishing someone" by putting
into the *stocks*, this form of social discipline actually worked really
well, you know, & i think it should be brought back! public humiliation
in the central square gives a social transgressor time to think.
it is so strange, because just this morning, on the 'genius-l list',
somebody had sent a post to this german gal teacher calling her a b*tch,
& demanding it be personal, & not posted to the list. she responded by
posting it to the list & with some rapier wit...
hmmmm... wonder what sign the moon's in???
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:28:03 -0000
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
To: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
Message-ID: <01BCD4C1.3A57F1F0ATnospamGURUDAVE>
Tom Bradley wrote:
<But the phenomenon that kundalini training tackles seems to exist, and has found a different expression in Taoist Yoga. One thing I've noticed is that there's a greater emphasis in that tradition on the health benefits of ki circulation. Also, the circulation is not confined to the spine - it goes through channels in the trunk, arms and legs (do these correspond to the nadis, and is there a broader movement of kundalini in the body, and what is the connection between prana and kundalini?). Prolonged practice of Taoist ki circulation leads to the ki permeating the entire body (it's supposed to feel like millions of tiny fish swimming in your skin). The source for this material is Taoist Yoga, and Secrets of Chinese Meditation, both written by Lu Kuan Yu (Charles Luk).>
Tom
Dear Tom:
Presently I'm reading Taoist Yoga and have found it very helpful. I don't know anything about Gurdjieff though, sorry. I have been training in a kind of Taoist Yoga here in Korea for two years now and, there is a strong emphasise on the health benefits of ki circulation. It seems to be the way the training can be presented to people, but that certainly is not it's primary intention. It's rather a side effect. You spoke of the nadis, and my impression is that the channels going down the legs and arms are the same. However, there is also tan t'ien in different parts of the body. One just below the navel, one in the heart area, and one in the brow. BUT, my impression here is that they are different from chakras. I don't know how though. I am very interested in exploring this (ie. sharing impressions) with someone to come to an understanding of this difference. As for the difference between prana and kundalini, I don't know but I think there's a big difference. Terry Romine wrote to me on September 9, 1997 2:01 AM saying,
<<There is a central channel that is used for prana: it runs in a straight
line from the crown to the perineum (located between the analsphincture
and the scrotum).
There are two channels that twist around the spinal column, that I
believe are used for cosmic energy and kundalini.>>
Just now I wonder if prana is more closely related to etheric energy? I see that as the bright energy (sometimes invisible but still 'bright' if you can accept that) within the first 1/2 inch to three inches from the body. Are ki and prana different kinds of etheric energy? The only time I FELT ki was when a drop of water fell down my belly, but I wasn't wet. Millions of tiny fish swimming around your body I can certainly believe.
Peace and love,
The Ox.
Terry
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:42:20 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: heimrATnospamcris.com
Subject: Re: Head energy and "middle chakras" (was First time Post)
Message-ID: <19971009054221.8817.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Your friend was probably right, you seem to have an energy release. If
>your "middle chakras" are blocked it isn't K, or if it is it is coming
>through one of the nadis that won't keep it up in the brain.
>It was most likely a build up of and expansion upward of Udana vayu
(one
>of the components of prana) that dominates in the neck and upward in
the
>physical body. This can be a lot of fun and a really cheap buzz. If you
>have no interest in spiritual growth (defined as the raising of
>Kundalini to the crown and its associated enlightenment) just enjoy the
>high.
I'd like to comment on my own bad advice. The "just enjoy the high" can
best be explained as too little sleep on my part and explained or not
was not a responsible statement.
Anyone having the sort of experiences I was addressing, often
accompanied by the symptoms I described, should not just "enjoy the
high." By doing so it can and ultimately will damage one's ability to
control and raise the Kundalini. It can do harm to the person in this
life and in the next.
Sorry for the mistake.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:01:31 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-ID: <343C72A4.2C46ATnospamsmartt.com>
MrNamaste wrote:
>
> "The ascent of man into heaven is not the key, but rather his ascent
> ...................................real new birth for which humanity
> waits as the crowning movement of its long obscure and painful
course."
>
> "The Human Cycle", page 329
> Sri Aurobindo
Hello All!
just to share with all a litlle background of Sri Aurobindo. Many in the
list may already be aware of him in depth.
I will keep it short and crisp.
Sri Aurobindo was the only son of a wealthy Court lawyer of the Rajah of
Baroda state in British India. Even their clothes were sent to Paris for
washing and return.
Sri Aurobindo himself graduated from Oxford or Cambridge I'm not sure
exactly this minute.He also had been to a Paris University and well
conversed in French.On his return, he felt inclined to join the Freedom
Movement long before Mahatma Gandhi did. Sri Aurobindo and other like
Tilak were forerunners of the Congress Party before Mahatma Gandhi
joined.
Sri Aurobindo sheltered many extremist party members who went on suicide
missions against the British. The British indicted Sri Aurobindo in
Calcutta. At the trial he was asked by the judge to have his say.
His famous reply in a sentence " My Lord, If Love of my Country is a
crime then I am a criminal. " He was then put in solitary confinement in
a bungalow at the Alipore Central Jail, I have seen it, in Calcutta for
eight months. During which time he read the Bhagavad Gita constantly.
One night the great Swami Vivekananda(who had passed on on July 4th
1902), in 1920's, appeared to him in person, and asked him to continue
on the spiritual level.After a week he had a visitation from Sri
Krishna, who sort of initiated him in the path which was to become the
"INTEGRAL YOGA"
Some may question of my source of this information. I feel I should
divulge that too publicly. One of Sri Aurobindo's greatest disciples,
Dilip Kumar Roy, who was my mother's first cousin. I have had the
opportunity to meet and talk with Dilip Kumar Roy on many occasions,
in family settings, whenever he used to visit Calcutta from Pondicherry.
At the time Dilip Roy told me , in early 1960's "that the path of
Integral Yoga is very advanced for the times.But time will come when Sri
Aurobindo's ideas will cover the world" Now it is 1997 and Sri
Auroibindo's ideas have finally and slowly reached the West.
I personally have great time with Sri Aurobindo and Mothers works.
In 1957 or 58 my mothers brother gave me the Book "Life Divine- Sabitri"
to read. We were on the terrace with table lamps to read and watching
the clear canopy of the star filled Universe. I had to read, my uncle
would explain his views on it. After reading a two pages, I got a
headache and had to stop. at the time I was 10-11 years old.
I felt like to share this with list.
In Love, Life and Light,
Indra
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:26:06 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
CC: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-ID: <343C78E8.4BB2ATnospamptialaska.net>
> MrNamaste wrote:
> >
> > "The ascent of man into heaven is not the key, but rather his ascent
> > ...................................real new birth for which humanity
> > waits as the crowning movement of its long obscure and painful
> course."
> >
> > "The Human Cycle", page 329
> > Sri Aurobindo
>
> Hello All!
> just to share with all a litlle background of Sri Aurobindo. Many in the
> list may already be aware of him in depth.
> I will keep it short and crisp.
v:indra; why do you suppose it is that so many 'eastern indians' are
blessed with such *insight*?
do you think it has anything to do with the abscence of money?
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:30:06 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: absence
Message-ID: <343C79D8.5B5EATnospamptialaska.net>
the *absence* of money?
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:30:54 -0700
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971008233050.0069c530ATnospammail.eskimo.com>
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Dear List members,
The discussion about various energy flows has been quite
thought provoking. What is it that allows us to perceive
the energy which moves through us? Why are diffent energetic
systems and interpretations developed in different cultures?
How is the process of awakening related to these various
energetic flows? Kundalini awakening might be but one type
of awakening... how is it the same or different from others?
Could these different energy flows explain the activation of
certain chakras before others? I've wondered if what is
referred to as kundalini might occur in different chakras or
different levels of the auric field. Thus one could be awakened
through the 5th or 6th chakra... but not yet in the 1st.
Ram wrote:
>Kundalini energy is of many types. It is energy of astral thought
>level. K-energy of hate level tends towards matter more compared
>to k-energy of love level.
This seems to relate to my thought about the kundalini energy being
activated initially on various levels before it is activated on the
physical. I wonder if sometimes the imbalances occur because one is
not balanced in each of the levels.
Kurt wrote:
>I want to understand everyone's perspective - Christian Charismatics,
>Taoists, Qi Gong pracititioners, Tibetan Tantrists and try to
>integrate all of these. Each of these traditions has a different
>depiction of energy flow and places a somewhat different emphasis
>on the final destination of the flow.
I think your idea of inventoring the energy movements is
wonderful and would provide a useful reference document.
Ram wrote:
>But higher energy is way beyond these k-energies.
What is the connecting point between k-energies and
higher energies?
In service to the process of awakening,
ori^
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:04:41 -0000
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
To: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini)
Message-ID: <01BCD4C7.DC47E190ATnospamGURUDAVE>
Kurt wrote:
<So this is a long-winded way of saying that while I respect the uniqueness
of your experience I think that your characterization of kundalini as
``mild dragon'' is as limited as my characterization of the white
bodhicitta-holy spirit as ``a blissful drip''. I can appreciate that you
have a personal ``wiring''that allows you a deeper experience of the
descent from above. I would be gratified if you would acknowledge that: 1)
some of us have a wiring that gives us a more profound experience of the
ascent of kundalini. 2)both of these energies have a common basis and are
fundamentally equal. Each has relatively inferior or superior
manifestations but united at the heart or the crown there is no value in
describing the superiority of one over the other.>
Dear Kurt, Gloria and all:
I hope you won't mind me speculating. You have both spoken of kundalini and the holy spirit combining in the heart and in the brow, from your personal experience. Are you familiar with the Chinese Alchemical term tan t'ien? I think there is a difference between tan t'ien and chakra, and I wonder if this is it. Tan t'ien is like a place, a center, a cavity, a space, an egg. As I said in some recent posts there are three, in the brow, the heart and below the navel. And there are more. I wonder if the Dynamic Kundalini turning with Static (not the right word) Holy Spirit is tan t'ien. What do you think?
Peace and love,
The Ox.
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:40:08 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-ID: <343C7C48.459ATnospamsmartt.com>
valerian wrote:
>
>
> v:indra; why do you suppose it is that so many 'eastern indians' are
> blessed with such *insight*?
> do you think it has anything to do with the abscence of money?
> *********************
Probably, when one does not have anything material, hardpressed even to
have a morsel of food to keep them alive, then I think Kundalini wakes
up, due to the simple fact that at the time there remains no one to lean
on, Its only God. When we can surrender fully, many things we need are
provided by the Divine, and coming from that lowest of the lowlies, we
can also appreciate the wonders, wealth and the abundance of material
life. Because we have the bottom and the top. May be this is it. No
offense to anyone having wealth or abundance. Pray it happens to all.
In Love Life and Light
Indra
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