1997/10/03 07:36
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #490
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 490
Today's Topics:
kundalini pain
Re:Lobster Fishiness
Re: A few words anonymously.
Re: to those desperately seeking
Re: free will
halitosis of the intellect
Re: A few words anonymously.
Re: free will
Re: Ear Ringing not Tintinitis
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 07:29:43 -0400
From: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
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Subject: kundalini pain
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newbie to you ...thanks for all the posts...
hi to all on the list...another Gloria was here first... so as to lessen
any possible confusion..please notice the email addy and you may refer to
me by the nick Glo ...or whatever the spirit moves you to call me.. heheh
hello..El Collie...congrats...you have moved me to speak after some weeks
of lurking and reading so many interesting posts... may I preface my
remarks to you with a short disclaimer?? I merely offer some thoughts
which have come to me.. and have no clue whether you or anyone may find
them helpful... but the issues you raise around pain and suffering seem
worth discussing, the bottom line being who really would dare to claim to
know the reasons or purpose.. especially for another.. so look on these as
*random thoughts* ok??? You are obviously the expert on your own
situation...and from your posting, very wise and admirable. I have been
pleased to see the books of Christina Grof recommended to the list.. and
Caroline Myss..latest book *Anatomy of Spirit* was also mentioned here by
someone. These books are very helpful to those trying to begin to
understand the K process.
1.sometimes pain serves just to call our attention to that which needs
healing..it may be personal.. familial from our tribe..or even
universal/archetype type pain...try to see the source as calling out to be
loved..ask for help, as needed, tho..who can help heal this pain??? You
are not alone..it is not all up to you...seek help as needed..
2. at some level... you must have volunteered to process this..been willing
to *see* it, feel it... so, without needing to know why, trust this process
serves a higher purpose..
instead of why..( as in, why me?) try asking how??? how can this pain be
helped?? or transmuted?? then pass the knowledge on to others struggling
with this problem..****
(ok.. this is where we stick our necks out and tread on toes..etc..so much
well-intentioned, but mistaken "help"...it's all grist for the mill, tho)
3. a bit obvious probably for this list..but sometimes the body has it's
own karma, and the soul may be healing even as the body *suffers*...the
assumption that pain indicates some *bad karma* type of punishment is
almost always a mistake..IMHO... careful of your assumptions...
4. the heart chakra is the alchemical transformer...where whatever is
brought up may be met by the light from above.. to be given whatever is
needed..ask the *pain* what it wants??? Just experiencing it is only half
the process..
5. Glad to hear you are including yourSELF in your boundless compassion,
tho how this was worked out by/for Linda may not fit your path...balance is
a good clue here..as in your own words..*some superhuman expectations of
selflessness*...we are not either God or just human...but both at once...so
balance is kinda tricky.. to learn to manifest the spiritual here is just
that, a learning process..remember your identity is not at risk here..what
we do is just footsteps in the sand...these paradoxes are somehow helpful
to me..like it all matters, yet it doesn't..
6. I really appreciate getting to know you El Collie.. and thanks for your
inspirational thoughts and service..
P.S. Yikes.!!!!now what have I done?? Actually posted here??? Do whatever
you must with me..but remember..its my first time...( offered with the
usual mix of love and ignorance... Glo)
********
> To Kelly and everyone lurking,
>
> This is in response to your desperate plea for an explanation for your
> painful Kundalini process. I too have been suffering for years with the
>same
> kind of tormenting symptoms you mention, plus disabling spine pain that at
> times is excruciating. I also have the same type of character qualities you
> describe: compassionate, courageous, self-sacrificing, with a compelling
>need
> to serve and give to others.
>
> As to whether your condition is Kundalini or an underlying disease, the two
> are not mutually exclusive and both can occur simultaneously. I know
> Kundalini is active in me because no disease I've ever heard of has the
> bizarre scope of the things I've experienced (and still experience daily).
> Like you, I've had little in the way of bliss, but I've had so many
>powerful
> mystical, psychic and paranormal experiences which nothing but active
> Kundalini could explain.
>
> It will probably grate on your nerves to be told that some of the
> inflammation (I have it too -- horrendous!) is due to repressed anger. I've
> discovered this is partly true in my case, but not as might be imagined. My
> anger is from a part of me that is enraged over how terribly I've suffered,
> not just with Kundalini, but on all levels throughout my life. I discovered
> I have been forcing myself to live up to superhuman expectations of
> selflessness. I've learned that some of my Kundalini pain is due to
> overdeveloping my altruistic side, leaving me with a deep imbalance where I
> need -- and am slowly learning -- to be more generous and gentle to myself.
> I also saw that I have tremendous difficulty forgiving God (and the
> Universe) for imposing suffering on any living being for any reason. These
> are profound angers of the soul, not your garden variety
> "I'm-mad-at-so-and-so."
>
> In addition to the compulsory yoga we both have experienced, I've had
> spontaneous and totally unexpected releases of devastating grief, terror and
> re-lived trauma from childhood abuses I thought I had already gotten past.
> I
> can sense there is a lot more in me that needs to come up before my system
>is
> unblocked and the energy can move freely.
>
> It occurred to me in late '92 was that there must be hundreds or thousands
>of
> us, struggling in isolation through overwhelming pain, fear and the overall
> enormity of this process. That's when C. Kress and I began Shared
> Transformation (Kundalini support) newsletters. It is a miracle we've been
> able to keep the newsletter going these past 5 years while I've been
>entirely
> bedridden in agony for months at a time, and even on my "good" days I can't
> sit or stand for very long.
>
> We continue to hear from people from all over the world who are going
>through
> this -- over 1200 to date. I would estimate that between 5-10% are as
> relentlessly sick as you and I. At the other end of the spectrum, another
> 5-10% experience no illness or pain, only powerful energies, bliss and
> mystical/psychic phenomena. Dr. Yvonne Kason, in her excellent book A
> FARTHER SHORE, says that people like you and me who have the rare pattern of
> nonstop Kundalini activity are the most likely to endure severe physical or
> mental/emotional symptoms. For what comfort it may bring, many shamans
> believe that those of us who have the hardest time with this will undergo
>the
> most radical self-transformation.
>
> Who has the final say as to whether or not it is really Kundalini? I would
> give that honor to Kundalini herself. If she has come to reside within you,
> in one way or another she makes her presence and her reality known. Even
> people who have gone through this a decade or longer without ever hearing
>the
> word "Kundalini" have come to realize some kind of immense spiritual force
> was at work.
>
> I've asked myself the same kinds of questions you have: "What's the point of
> all this suffering? How can I continue to serve when I can barely survive?"
> One of the answers that came to me was that I have already learned how to
> serve; now I must learn to let go of my idea of who I'm supposed to be and
> love myself as much as I've loved others. I'm also being shown that even
> suffering has a divine, ultimately benevolent purpose. Not that suffering
>in
> itself is something noble or good, but that suffering's purpose is to
>awaken.
> Most people cannot spiritually and psychologically mature without it.
>
> Bliss and joyous experiences are inspirational and validating, while
> suffering and hardship break us, allowing us to be changed in ways we didn't
> know we needed. Many people with catastrophic illnesses and those who go
> through other crises in life which "break" them are then able to experience
> new ways of being which are far more whole and fulfilling than ever before.
>
> I suspect that when I am able to realize this, not simply intellectually as
>I
> do now, but in the deepest recesses of my psyche, I will regain my trust in
> the universe and simultaneously be freed from much pain. It's a paradox.
> When we can fully accept something (not just resign ourselves to it, but
> fully surrender to it -- which, again, paradoxically may mean allowing
> ourselves to rage and scream and howl and weep), only then does it change.
>
> I haven't gotten this far yet with my physical pain, but I have watched this
> pattern repeat itself in many other circumstances where I seemed to be
> hopelessly stuck. There are probably more causes to the pain than what I've
> brought up here, and even if I understood them all it would still hurt. But
> it does help me somewhat to find these answers to my own "why?" I hope it
> will be of some help to you as well.
>
> Sorry if I ranted on so long.
> El Collie
> >>
>Right On, El Collie!
>The source of my most terrible of pains, which I too was disabled with off
>and on for years, is the source now of my bliss. Get this. I , being the
>altruist as you are, used to accept my pain and bore that cross until I
>finally had suffered enough. When I freaked out and decided to become a
>hedonistic, sensualist my pain began to go away. Perhaps I just needed to
>give myself permission to take a break. I am glad you are learning to love
>yourself. You deserve it!
>Love and Light, Linda ATnospam->->--
>
>
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 04:56:51 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Lobster Fishiness
Message-ID: <3434EB7F.42EAATnospamptialaska.net>
<snip>
>lobster: I know from another list Valerian that you have many problems. Much of this is concerned
> with selfishness. People vamparise because you do not give freely.
> You see, you can not be spiritually vampirised if you give an energy that is always
> replaced. If you close off your energy and say my energy, mine for me, not for you -
> well . . .
<snip>
v: that is a bit rash of you to pass judgement upon me publically from
the likes of the 'genius-l list', which is predominately composed mostly
with misogynists with many more "problems" than myself & mostly in
denial about it. you will find me crystal clear, comparatively.
obviously, males of the ilk of which you speak would consider anyone
female to have insurmountable "problems".
where are you in this menagerie? maybe the log in your own eye can be
removed & you will see my "problems" more graciously...
in the area of giving freely - hey - i was trying my best to say that i
am here to learn more about 'kundalini', not the breadth & scope &
analysis of more pain than already endured & contests about it. does
'kundalini' recognition necessitate the upheaval of every pain, physical
& emotional & mental since birth & before? maybe it does, someone can
just clue me in. why can it not be condensed to 'been there, done that'
acceptance & willingness to transcend it? we are ALL in pain in one or
various ways...
this petty bickering is not very educational in general, imho, that is
my point.
save the judgements for offlist, okay crustacean? you notice i passed no
judgements on you?
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:45:43 -0700
From: god10ATnospamm3.sprynet.com
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A few words anonymously.
Message-Id: <199710031256.FAA20192ATnospamm3.sprynet.com>
Very true and powerful. Keep on your path. You are on the right track
On Thu, 02 Oct 1997, Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:
>>Subject: Re: A few words
>>Angelique,
>>Please post this anonymously. Thank you.
>> A friendly spirit
>>Dear List,
>>
>>Some have been rather harsh with the different things that Ruth had
>>attempted to explain to you. So please allow me briefly to explain some of
>>these things as I see them. If, however, you are not in the mode to read
>>this, please delete. It is not my objective to upset anyone, and therefore
>>I have decided to post anonymously.
>>
>>We are all the path to full enlightenment, some may get there in this
>>lifetime, others may not. We have been doing experiments with all types of
>>things in the past, including human bodies. Some of those tests still go on
>>today. It is not a pleasant thing, but it does happen. As spirits we
>>inhabit these bodies, and in doing so we are attempting to uplift all
>>things. Some detour from the original plan that they had created for
>>themselves never to get back on the path. Others may detour and take
>>another path, never to get back on, while still doing something within that
>>scheme of what they set for themselves. Some do a detour for awhile, get
>>back on, and fulfill the original plan they had set for themselves. And
>>there are the blessed souls who stay on this path their entire allotted
>>years.
>>
>>There will be many of us who will cross over into the spiritual plane to
>>help with the transition of many souls that will make a mass exodus from
>>this plane. That is what they have agreed to do prior to birth into this
>>life. They are the helpers, teachers and guides to future generations.
>>
>>In the early days of the earth progression, yes there were, what we refer
>>to aliens who did experiments, and the Atlantean culture made some tragic
>>mistakes creating 'things', these things were half human and half animal.
>>Throughout history, there has been mention of these things, which were set
>>into the category of mythical creatures and creatures made up to keep the
>>inhabitants in line with the thoughts of the dominant society in that time
>>frame. And yea, the Atlanteans worked with the aliens! What we don't
>>understand we cover up, by attaching a name such as mythology.
>>
>>We were originally much different than we are now, and yes, our DNA has
>>changed before and is changing again. Presently - there is a photon band of
>>light that is into the earths range and as a result of this photon band,
>>there are many people being awakened to the spiritual energies this photon
>>band has upon us. As the earth changes, we must change also, we must adapt
>>our bodies to remain in the light. Should we not adapt we cease to exist in
>>bodies.
>>
>>Someone, recalled a dream of this light, and attached significancies to
>>enlightenment. This was to allow this person a brief glimpse into what was
>>happening. It was, of course, meant for this person to sort out the dream
>>and interpret the dream for him/herself. Sorry, dear fellow traveler, I
>>cannot recall your name. I too, have seen while in the dreamstate, a blue
>>planet moving into Earth's range, quite large, next to and left of the
>>planet there were two stars, they merged creating one large star. We all
>>have dreams, but we attach little significance to them, but rather
>>contribute them to something that is vague and incomprehensible. I do say,
>>that all dreams are telling something, something that is changing us, now
>>and in the future.
>>
>>I do not have time to read these petty spats and verbal abuses, so I will
>>cease to do so. We are all in our own way reaching towards enlightenment,
>>and the verbal condemnation of others is truly unworthy of any of you. So
>>you say, what has this to do with kundalini? Lots, for the awakening
>>process of all of us, has an effect on the Earth. The energy being
>>transmitted can not change the destiny of the planet, but perhaps we can
>>ease it a little for the masses who have not the slightest inclination of
>>what is going on.
>>
>>Has anyone ever dug deep into their subconscious and tried to come up with
>>a plausible answer as to why so many are on the awakening path? Surely
>>there is an answer, but you and you alone can answer that for yourself. Why
>>you? Look deep into yourself, you will find the answer.
>>
>>Many are in deep distress, being ill is not pleasant, but there too is a
>>reason for this, you are cleaning and clearing a divine pathway towards the
>>exalted state of awareness. To accept this as the Creators plan, move with
>>that illness, knowing that it will lift and you will be rewarded for you
>>patience and understanding, as you will have helped all humans living in
>>body today, and perhaps in the future. This is the path you have chosen for
>>yourselves. You knew it would painful, but you accepted it anyway... this
>>is your cross, and you will be blessed.
>>
>>There are entities who attach to our bodies, they cause all types of
>>negativity, illness and condidtions that we are not aware of, they manifest
>>little by little, so much so that we are not aware of them. To rid oneself
>>of these attachments, we need to seek help or a deep meditative state in
>>order that they may be released. There is a clearing that must be done.
>>
>>Instead of criticism of others. and retaliating with verbosity of
>>negativity, just read the post and if you shouldn't like what you are
>>reading, just release it, throw it to the Cosmos and allow it to go in
>peace.
>>
>>Thank you, if any of this makes sense to you, then that was my mission
>>today. With the help of someone who keeps giving me a nudge, I remain... a
>>seeker of truth and enlightenment.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 11:23 AM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>At 06:21 AM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>Dear Ruth and all,
>>>>While some of these topics (entity removal, 12 DNA strands, etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>>IMO entity removal is relevant, because in thinking I was 'surrendering to
>>>k', I had let in some foreign entities instead. Now how to get rid of them
>>>without throwing k out with the bathwater?
>>>
>>>Also, if other beings besides k are reorganizing us, we need the wisdom to
>>>know the difference. :-)
>>>
>>>I found Ruth's and her friend's letter very clear and helpful.
>>>
>>>Mary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 05:07:48 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: morganaATnospambest.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: to those desperately seeking
Message-ID: <3434EE0F.5E5CATnospamptialaska.net>
<snip>
> > v: anyone wanna hear MY *sad story*?
> > i gotta million of 'em!
> > v
>
>m: Yes, you do come off seeming heartless, but if you ever need a
> sympathetic ear feel free to post. It's lonely out there when kundalini
> causes upset or loss or confusion, and no one understands like other
> who've ben there too.
> Morgana
v: i am truly sorry if i come off as heartless. perhaps it is because
quite the opposite is the *truth*, & some protection feels neccessary
about now, because of it.
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:26:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: free will
Message-ID: <971003092610_577844192ATnospamemout06.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-10-02 16:50:55 EDT, you write:
<< From: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com (Mystress Angelique Serpent)
The point of playing the control games in the first place, is to learn
the lessons of the truth of free will, which is that they choose how to
percieve their life experiences, I cannot ever ever ever control that.
The cosmic law of free will says that there are no victims, and the
knowledge of that truth, fuels the game.
No one controls their happiness, ultimately, except them.
Once again here is another reference to free will and its place in our lives.
So, folks out there, how can you say that to be really spiritual we must get
rid of the ego and still maintain free will? Linda ATnospam->->--
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 05:44:11 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: halitosis of the intellect
Message-ID: <3434F690.BC9ATnospamptialaska.net>
dear list,
i feel a neccessity to wax eloquent, since i stuck my neck out with
an opinion seemingly misunderstood as "heartless" & "selfish".
no - i am not heartless nor selfish; just your 'average single mom'
running their butt off all day long trying to make sense of the rhymes &
reasons, just like anyone else. and i *do* appreciate these endeavors...
around here, i had to stop walking my daughter to the bus stop to
school in the mornings for now, because there are *so many* people with
REAL survival problems that would break any heart, & mine heart
apparently looks to be a good one to take down with. these people are
loosing their homes & livelihoods...
see, i don't mind *listening* to those who need to unload, i just
don't like being cast in role-playing as the *responsible one* for
anyone, when there is nothing i have done, nor can do about it anyway.
the anger & hurt is outside me, & i have trouble not feeling it too.
in the case of the school bus stop fiascos, i was actually being
bombarded with all the *injustice* & *cruelty* of the system every
single day. maybe they just are so angry & upset that it was accidental,
but it was detrimental to my psyche, & i could not explain it to them
without salting the wounds, so i evade instead, at least for now.
i guess i am discovering that i actually tend to accept the projected
responsibilities thrust uppon me, & feel guilty about my inability to
help. but this is just more weight upon my *personal* traumas, & because
i have to function - for my daughter, at least - i am trying to learn
how to be clear with boundaries. i was never exposed to setting
*boundaries* with people (two alcoholic parents), & so - this is my
dilemma.
but i do think we need to afford the next person, as well as the
general public, with an acceptable background just as traumatized &
discordant as ourselves, elsewise we are not *communicating*, but either
preaching or vampirizing.
i consider the likelihood of a lifetime of chronic physical pain from
being rear-ended by a speeding lumber truck 6 yrs. ago. i do yoga & pray
& meditate, & yet the chronic pain persists. but - this is not *part of
the equation* when people consider who i am, & how i present myself. the
only appreciated qualities lie within the *spirit* - when it is strong &
let the *light* shine! shine the light & share the wealth, but - be
aware that other people may be weak too.
that is my sharing story for October 2nd...
God/ess bless us all!
--
"Ah, good taste! What a dreadful thing! Taste is the enemy of
creativeness." PabloPicasso
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:40:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A few words anonymously.
Message-ID: <971003093919_2032339010ATnospamemout16.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-10-02 17:53:44 EDT, you write:
<< >
>There are entities who attach to our bodies, they cause all types of
>negativity, illness and condidtions that we are not aware of, they manifest
>little by little, so much so that we are not aware of them. To rid oneself
>of these attachments, we need to seek help or a deep meditative state in
>order that they may be released. There is a clearing that must be done. >>
Dear anonymous,
FYI Those 'entities' you speak of are bits of emonional discharge sent
out into our psychic spaces. People who emit these strong emotions are
disturbed about something and either are unable to or will not share them. So
these emotions grow and may even take on a separate personna, split off and
cause one to believe that a devil or alien is wandering about.
Communication, communion, community are all so very important for our mental
health. If you are too isolated, how will you be able to share? How will you
be able to express and look at these strong emotions, to vent them and to
shed Light upon them?
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:51:00 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: free will
Message-ID: <3434F844.56B5ATnospammail.snet.net>
SchrLLATnospamaol.com wrote:
> how can you say that to be really spiritual we must get
> rid of the ego and still maintain free will? Linda ATnospam->->--
I ask how can we come to an experience of the Infinite while we
cling to an illusion of limits?
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:48:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ear Ringing not Tintinitis
Message-ID: <971003094709_1064579012ATnospamemout02.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-10-02 18:19:23 EDT, you write:
Hi dear people,
please forgive me my bad english, it's my first attempt/try.
Since some weeks I was reading all the messages of you, sometimes my head
began to rush, sometimes all my hairs are standing up, and sometimes i in
tears . I only want to share with you, that it is so helpfull, to read
what other people are experiencing.
I came to k-list by a search about kundalini, i read the book from
Gopi Krishna. A Meditation-Instructor asked me if i Know it, because i told
her, that i'm doing Healing with "Universal Energy" and it has to do with
chakras. At this time, a half year now ago, i felt a turn in a lot of
opinions. I learned the healing by a Dr. med. XXX who activated our Chakras
2-7 in aTime of 6 Days they called to 60 %. Since that time we have to
meditate
min 5and max 30 minutes a day to sustain this activation until our 100%
activationif we want it. Befor this i was interested in Buddhism, took
refuge by a lama, and meditated daily one or two hours. this meditation is
called shamata.
Sometimes I felt during this meditation a heat comming upto my head.
I
thought it was because of the temperature of anny unhealthy in my body,
my
spine isn't the newest. Since that time of the chakra-activating the
meditation turned intoanother quality. Then i decided to do the activating of
the chakras to
100%. It was a 2 day course in germany where we learned how to use the
Hands and chakras to help to heal. The final activating was in Holland, where
the
master, i can't imagine that you know him, Luong Ming Dang, activated us.
Here where over 1000 People together in a great Hall. We sit down on a
chair. Some advices where given to us, about the procedere of the
activating. Then the master entered the hall, say some words to welcome
us. Takes a siton the stage and in 30 - 40 seconds oure chakras wer
activated. I must discribe it because i could not understand how it happends.
This course is
called Niveau 3, The next two days i stayed in Holland for Niveau 4,
where
the Master gave us a transmission of energy. In this couse only people
asks any questions and the master answered. It was very interesting but
sometimesit was to much, i've had problems to belief al this.
Since these days i felt a desire to meditate intensiv now up to 2- 3
h
daily (the master said: It is not nessessary to meditate for the
chakra-activating after 100 %). There is a intesive feeling in chakra 6
and 7, heat sometimes, dizziness, tingling (often by reading these k-List)
on
different places, constant on chakra 7, sometimes very intensive like a
long spike in the upper head.
At first i thought that i must be ill, some pain ocoured, i tryed to
heal myself with the energie, special the "high sound" in my reight ear, i
thought it was tinitus, the pain in my spine.
But then i read the book from Gopi Krishna. I was a little bit
affraid, what doing now. I found this Web-site and the list, and now i
wanted to
tell you, that i am very glad that i found it. rfull sensations people
sometimes discribing, I have a question; I see no ligths, colors, Auras,
Chakras
other beings and so on. Only in the meditation on afternoon, sometimes ther
occours a very bright light, I began to fell verry well, and wenn i open
my eyes, i can see a sunbeam at the window. So I always find a ordinary
explanation for sensations that I observe. The only I realy feel is a
strongly rejection to adopt any Building of Thoughts, I abandoned the
buddhist meditation group, it was suddenly to narrow. I gave up the martial
arts I was training for more than 15 years. Drinking isn`t possible because
of the intensive pain (i tryed 1 bottle of beer one time).
Your posts where a lot of tips/hints/examples they helped me to
understand whats going on. I meet sometimes some people they are also
activated, but didn't meditate, so they dont have such experiences. You
are the only in this moment. I want to talk to someone If it is possible by
the masses of post in the list.
Thank you for your attention,
Uwe
>>
ATnospam->->--Dear Uwe. It sounds like you are finding your way slowly and
painfully. Perhaps my experience may help. The ear ringing can be useful.
Consider a binary code and the fact that you have right and left sides,
positive and negative. I have created a communication bridge by assigning
which side is right etc. Then practice testing it out. Works for me and
has
gotten me out of a lot of situations which could have been detrimental.
What
is it? I don't know. I just use it.
Love and LIght, Linda ATnospam->->-- the rose
>>
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