1997/10/03 04:25
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #489
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 489
Today's Topics:
Re: kundalini pain
to those desperately seeking validation
Re: A Question?
Re: kundalini pain
Re: A Question?
Re: UFO experiences
Re: A Question?
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #486
Re: St. Germaine & the little grey ones
Re: to those desperately seeking
Re: Req for info on Chakras
Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Re: reality & fantasy
Re: A Question?
Warning - Children at play (no joke)
Re: Word-based Spirituality
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:10:27 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
Cc: SchrLLATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini pain
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At 08:39 PM 10/2/97 -0500, Mike Beaver wrote:
>If you know of anyone on your 1200 list who lives in Portland, Oregon I
>would love to give them some free hypnotherapy help for their relentless
>pain.
My Dear Friend Mike,
I am only an hour and one-half from Portland.
I suffer from the relentless pain of shame, alienation, and separation from
my Self. Would this challange be of interest to you?
Sincerely Seeking,
Ken
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:31:19 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: to those desperately seeking validation
Message-ID: <34348318.32A9ATnospamptialaska.net>
dear kundalini-list,
i cannot help but notice how many people on this list are DEMANDING
personal attention, & punishing people who try to point the
responsibility towards the seeker.
i don't even care to read these long personal diatribes of
self-afflictions - and defenses of them, thereof. yes, i feel sorry for
everyone who is in pain, or diagnosed with diseases, but would prefer if
they would *get up off their crutches & walk*.
nobody can help anybody except to listen, each person & soul is
responsible for itself. it is a short life, & each soul's power lies
*within*. please stop trying to dump on other people!
personally, i hesitate to post any concerns on here, because of the
*emergency urgency* of the help needed by these samesaid folk. i am
curious & could benefit from a common acknowledgement of what is
'kundalini' experience in people's lives, at this level. i cannot
afford the time or energy needed to backtrack & allow 'psychic
vampirization', as i have my *own* crisises.
might i suggest these afore-mentioned personalities first try a
'personal therapy' channel before they are ready to embark upon
'kundalini'? it would save them & all us *others* the grief of trying to
relate & not still be victimized by their ensueing *black holes of
grief*,
i don't mean to seem heartless, but *some people* need to broaden
their awareness of the relative proportion of *pain*. we ALL have some
sort of *pain* - greater or lesser.
the 'prima donnas' are in another sort of *pain* beyond the help of
this list, imho.
reading this endless dribble just makes me want to move on & look
elsewhere...
anyone wanna hear MY *sad story*?
i gotta million of 'em!
v
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:34:53 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Question?
Message-ID: <343483EE.F55ATnospamptialaska.net>
onarresATnospaminreach.com wrote:
>
> At 08:28 PM 10/2/97 -0800, you wrote:
> >> >tom s:Dear Kundalini mailing list,
> >> >I was wondering if anyone would know of some information on Christ Jesus
> >> >and Kundalini? Thankyou
> >
> >>cd: Was Jesus Christ a Christian?
> >
> >v: His parents were reputedly of the 'essene' mystery sect of judaism.
> >rumours have it He studied 'eastern philosophies' in His "missing
> >years"...
>
> You are right, Mary was of the Essene sect. In the later years, the Jewish
> religion thought that the Essene's were not to be included as a sect of
> their religion because they were more Christian-like than Jewish.
>
> Yes, you are also right about Eastern Philosophies. Jesus received the Holy
> Spirit (spiritual awakening or kundalini) as a lad of about twelve years of
> age, and during the lost years he traveled with Joseph of Aramathea to
> India to learn mysticism and then to Egypt for his final initiation.
> Afterwards, all types of miracles were attributed to him. It would appear
> that Jesus had become a fully enlightened being by the time he returned
> from his travels. Incidentally, Jesus was the man, Christ is the pathway...
> dor
v: i do not DISBELIEVE you, but - how do YOU KNOW???
you write like it is TRUTH already, but unconventional it is!
please, PROVE it!
--
"Ah, good taste! What a dreadful thing! Taste is the enemy of
creativeness." PabloPicasso
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:38:27 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
CC: Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>, SchrLLATnospamaol.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini pain
Message-ID: <343484C3.33CATnospamptialaska.net>
Ken McFarland wrote:
>
> At 08:39 PM 10/2/97 -0500, Mike Beaver wrote:
>
> >If you know of anyone on your 1200 list who lives in Portland, Oregon I
> >would love to give them some free hypnotherapy help for their relentless
> >pain.
>
> My Dear Friend Mike,
>
> I am only an hour and one-half from Portland.
> I suffer from the relentless pain of shame, alienation, and separation from
> my Self. Would this challange be of interest to you?
>
> Sincerely Seeking,
> Ken
was born in Portland, Oregon in 1956. had to move, unfortunately...
v
--
"Ah, good taste! What a dreadful thing! Taste is the enemy of
creativeness." PabloPicasso
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:43:59 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Question?
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Valerian,
By all means, you may wish to read some of the Edgar Cayce material,
especially 'The Story of Jesus', Jeffrey Furst, ed. Berkley, ISBN
0-425-1027-7. Or perhaps you may wish to read more of the Essene religion
in 'The Gnostic Gospels, Elaine Pagels, Vintage Books, ISBN 0-679-72453-2
and also 'Gnosis, The Nature & History of Gnosticism' by Kurt Rudolph,
Harper Collins ISBN 0-06-067018-5. There is so much information out there
that one can readily find books available for research into these areas.
Sometimes the truth lies closer to the surface than we chose to believe.
dor
>v: i do not DISBELIEVE you, but - how do YOU KNOW??? you write like it is
TRUTH already, but unconventional it is! please, PROVE it!
>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:52:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: GoodwulfeATnospamaol.com
To: srimpi19ATnospamidt.net
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: UFO experiences
Message-ID: <971003015255_1343091018ATnospamemout14.mail.aol.com>
Steve, I would be happy to talk to you privately by E mail,
however, I definitely wont "open up" on this K. area. I just dont feel
comfortable with some of the "energies" around here. Hope that's okay
with you. Email me any time, and I would be happy to share with you.
If you feel comfortable with your deepest feelings on here,
by all means, share with us, and hopefully we can all help by listening and
comforting.
The very best to you too friend!! Love, Kelly
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 02:15:45 -0400
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Tom S <t_shermanATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Question?
Message-ID: <34348D90.A8956730ATnospamconcentric.net>
Hello Thomas,
I didn't want to answer this one. But if I want to rest in piece tonight
I have to....
The best place to find your answer is buy asking the Christ Himself, as
the fire burns in you, you'll come to ear the answer, in time.
Please tell me when you do,
I'm also curious about it... :-)
Antoine
> Dear Kundalini mailing list,
> I was wondering if anyone would know of some information on Christ
> Jesus
> and Kundalini? Thankyou
> Sincerely
> Thomas
>
> ______________________
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:33:49 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #486
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Dear Kelley...Before it was anger and ire.. now it has evolved to
paranoia...
>>>Ruth, Would you mind terribly leaving me alone? Your energy is
extremely negative and invasive. I was taught once by a psychic
friend
of mine, " The IMPACT, was the INTENT." This has served me very well.
I've been able to avoid dangerous situations, and very dangerous people
using this simple thought. I've definitely been "psychically" attacked
by you,
>>>>>>>
You are so wrong.. I am not the least interested in taking anything from a
sick person... offering a form of compassion.. yes.. but invasive.. no.
I hope you are able to heal yourself in time. If I am your worst enemy
then you are in no trouble. Take care..
******
Everytime one realizes something of the truth, there is a dance in the
heart. The heart is the only testimony for the truth. (Osho)
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:40:23 -0700
From: Jason R <mtnhighATnospamoz.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: St. Germaine & the little grey ones
Message-ID: <34349357.EB0344DFATnospamoz.net>
I like the way you describe the grey people. I have always thought they
were rather benevolent, but like you said, they scare the crap outta
people. I started reading Whitley Streiber's "Communion" a few years
ago. One night reading it, I looked up and swore one of them creatures
was going to suddenly walk through my bedroom door! I threw the book
across the room in fear and never picked it up to read again.
Thank you for sharing. It's good to know what is going on, even though
"what is going on" is just a metaphor so we can understand.
Jason
--
Jason Rumohr, Healer
http://www.oz.net/~mtnhigh
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Our little grey buddies are kidnapping folks, accidentally scaring
> the
> bejeezus out of them, if they wake up.. and awakening their K. This,
> is
> their contribution to the Ascension. They have to fix it, for their
> own
> karma.. they the ones messed up the 12 strands, inna first place...
> waaaay
> back, before it came around 3x and they messed themselves even worse,
> by
> altering their own DNA to erase their emotions.
> They percieved the problems of their warlike polluting effects, to
> be
> caused by emotions, so they erased 'em. Now they cannot evolve
> further,
> coz they cannot love. They need to add our emotional DNA to their
> future
> generations, to turn the course of dead end evolution they created,
> when
> they messed with us. They are trying to fix their karma, by assisting
> the
> ascension, not worsen it like before...
> > SO it is a gift to you. Gratitude is
> >the right attitude here.. Ruth
> Exactly so.. you are wise, and beautiful.
> Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:53:00 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: to those desperately seeking
Message-ID: <3434964C.1277ATnospambest.com>
valerian wrote:
> i don't mean to seem heartless, but *some people* need to broaden
> their awareness of the relative proportion of *pain*. we ALL have some
> sort of *pain* - greater or lesser.
> the 'prima donnas' are in another sort of *pain* beyond the help of
> this list, imho.
> reading this endless dribble just makes me want to move on & look
> elsewhere...
> anyone wanna hear MY *sad story*?
> i gotta million of 'em!
> v
Yes, you do come off seeming heartless, but if you ever need a
sympathetic ear feel free to post. It's lonely out there when kundalini
causes upset or loss or confusion, and no one understands like other
who've ben there too.
Morgana
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 00:02:17 -0700
From: Jason R <mtnhighATnospamoz.net>
To: James Walters <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Req for info on Chakras
Message-ID: <34349878.26E10FDEATnospamoz.net>
James Walters wrote:
> List members,
> Does anyone have a good reference to the Chakra's, the colors,
> characteristics, and effects associated with them ? Any information
> pertaining to the shapes of these images would be wonderfull. --
Check out "Hands of Light", by Barbara Ann Brennan. It is really quite a
textbook for the auras and chakras. There are some good color pictures
in it, too. You can access her website from my home page below.Jason
--
Jason Rumohr, Healer
http://www.oz.net/~mtnhigh
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:09:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: GoodwulfeATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-l-requestATnospamexecpc.com
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Message-ID: <971003030938_-261512087ATnospamemout15.mail.aol.com>
I dont understand... What do you need from me to UNSUBSCRIBE? Please
remove me. GoodwulfeATnospamaol.com
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:17:37 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: reality & fantasy
Message-ID: <34351AA1.3604ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Ken McFarland wrote:
> "Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible
> the hour might pass him. 'Abba, Father,' he said, 'everything is possible
> for you. Take this cup from me. YET NOT WHAT I WILL, BUT WHAT YOU WILL."
>
> What was his choice?
Denial and acceptance.
Let us say kundalini is always present. The Holy Spirit always everywhere. The Goddess
eternal.
Deny?
Accept?
If we let a little light shine, do we not want to accept more of it?
Love is the capacity to bear pain.
Pain is lack of Love.
The spiritual perspective is Submission or acceptance of Divine Will. The immature
wishes to restrict the Divine to personal will.
As a meditation, put all your pain and grief into a Shining Chalice. Offer it to the
Spirit. Keep this up as required.
The cup is drunk . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:57:47 +0200
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Question?
Message-Id: <C1256525.003AF232.00ATnospamais.it>
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Hello friends,
>>v: i do not DISBELIEVE you, but - how do YOU KNOW??? you write like it is
>TRUTH already, but unconventional it is! please, PROVE it!
>>
The books by Paramhansa Yogananda also draw so many parallels between
Christian spiritual Truths and the Indian spritual Truths, and he too, in
his books
has supported the theory of Jesus Christ having received training in
yoga and
other aspects of religion.
The story of the deluge, the big fish, and there are also a lot of
similarity in the
situation of the birth of Christ and the birth of Krishna. (Have been
fascinated
by the similarity in the names as well :-).
The fact that this religion is called Christianity and not
"Jesusism" is because,
as already has been said, it is a path. Jesus was a man. Christ was God
incarnate,
and had all the powers of "miracles", the same as those attributed to
any of the
other enlightened Indian yogis. Christ consciousness is what is known in
India as
Krishna Consciousness.
Apparently the aspect of the seven steps to heaven is interpretted as the
seven
energy centers of the subtle body.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:51:06 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Warning - Children at play (no joke)
Message-ID: <3435146A.6699ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
> >>>Ruth, Would you mind terribly leaving me alone? Your energy is
> extremely negative and invasive. I was taught once by a psychic
> friend
> of mine, " The IMPACT, was the INTENT." This has served me very well.
> I've been able to avoid dangerous situations, and very dangerous people
> using this simple thought. I've definitely been "psychically" attacked
> by you,
> You are so wrong.. I am not the least interested in taking anything from a
> sick person... offering a form of compassion.. yes.. but invasive.. no.
> I hope you are able to heal yourself in time. If I am your worst enemy
> then you are in no trouble. Take care..
PROOF REQUIRED
A man shopping in a supermarket brought his purchase of two cans of dog
food to the checkout counter.
The cashier asked, "Sir, do you have a dog?"
"Yes." replied the man.
"Well, where is it?" asked the cashier.
"I left him home." he answered.
"Sorry," the cashier said, "You can't buy the dog food if I can't see
the dog. That's the rules."
The next day he returned to the store and brought some cat food to the
checkout. "Do you have a cat?" asked the cashier. "Yes," he said, "but I
left him home."
"Sorry," she said, "If I can't see the cat, I can't sell you the food.
That's the rules."
The next day the man walked into the store with a brown paper bag. He
walked up to the cashier and said, "Here. Put your hand in here."
The cashier put her hand in and said, "It's soft and warm. What is it?"
The man replied, "I'd like three rolls of toilet paper!"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
TRAIN FAILURE
A large two engined train was crossing America. After they had gone
some distance one of the engines broke down. "No problem," the engineer
thought, and carried on at half power.
Farther on down the line, the other engine broke down, and the train
came to a standstill.
The engineer decided he should inform the passengers about why the
train had stopped, and made the following announcement:
"Ladies and gentlemen, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad
news is that both engines have failed, and we will be stuck here for
some time. The good news is that you decided to take the train and not
fly."
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:32:55 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Word-based Spirituality
Message-ID: <34351E37.78B7ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Ed Arrons wrote:
> In the beginning was the WORD.....?
Unheard of . . .
> There is a spirituality based on direct experience of the Oneness and
> one based on the image-producing power of words.
A rich soil
sprouts abundance
a dead tree offers shelter
I thought I thaw a pussy cat
a creepin up on me
I did
I did
> Because of our fragmented conditioning a full direct experience of the
> Oneness is extremely difficult to achieve. But very likely, we may all
> have minute direct experiences of It, consciously or otherwise. As we
> seek ways to facilitate that experience more fully, we get involved
> with words and images that will hopefully point the way.
Abandon hope. Abandon ship. Women and children float - they make good bouyancy aids.
Oneness?
Twoness?
I thought I thaw a pussy cat
a creepin up on me
I did
I did
> The words can have so much power, the images so resolute in one's mind,
> that it may sometimes seem as if the person is having a direct experience
> and living in the actuality of it. This makes it easy to avoid seeking direct
> experience; then one may readily slip into the world of words and their
> images, letting them shape the aggregate of their reality.
Do not think of tweety pie.
I thought I thaw a puthy cat
a cweepin up on me
I did
I did
> But we all know that words lend themselves to a perplexing ambiguity
> which often leads to conflicts of understanding and much human
> suffering.
He's a nordy puthy cat . . .
> Zen understands the limitation of word-based spirituality and opts for
> direct experience of the Oneness. I'm sure Jesus had the same idea
> in stating (n.v.):
What Jesus actually said (verily and truly) was:
Grandma
Grandma
that nordy puthy cat tried to eat me . . .
> Have that direct experience and fulfill your potential.
Good advice.
Know any good jokes . . .
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
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