1997/10/02 02:40
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #484
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 484
Today's Topics:
Re: prayer request
Re: Changing our DNA? INDEEDY...
Re: Changing our DNA? INDEEDY...
Re: aliens
Fwd: Kundalini Awakening
Re: Changing our DNA? INDEEDY...
Re: Need to find Yoga Association in UK to point me to kundalini classes
Re: Entity (fwd)
Re: Hello, LIST MYSTRESS !!!.. David, and more left-turn
maniacal ravings..
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:11:22 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamdragontree.com>
CC: SKidder333ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: prayer request
Message-ID: <34332C51.724BATnospamsmartt.com>
Mary Ezzell wrote:
>
> At 03:57 PM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Mary, may we have her first name? Love in the Spirit, Sylvia
> >
> >
>
> It is Rolande. I think things are happening already, she asked me to 'send
> magic.'
>
> Please keep it up!
>
> Love,
> Mary
Hello Mary !
Thanks for the prayer request on the list. I shall do my light
meditation for Rolande's healing for medicine dependancy.
As you may know we can only ask the Divine , we cannot command the
Divine.
I will do my part with sincereity, but I shall leave it to the Divine
for the rest.
Thanks for letting us know.
In Love Life & Light,
Indra
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:20:41 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Changing our DNA? INDEEDY...
Message-Id: <199710020520.BAA23482ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
Hmmm......i'm not getting in the middle of this one.....nope, wouldn't touch
it with a 12 foot strand of
DNA......hell, i'm off to find the Gates to the Garden of Eden.......Missouri
was it?....hear they have
good apples there......know anything about that Serpent?......then i'm off to
the 7 Cities of Gold
Saint Germain.....as channeled by the Prophets (Mark & Elizabeth).....been
there done that...read the books with the purple/violet letters......they
didn't exactly carry me away.....but whatever moves
you.....discernment is a nice quality to develop though.....don't ask me how,
it always seemed to
come naturally for me
Should i insult the Pleidians too? OK........you all can yell at me now if
you want.....too much Newton, or something......but otherwise lighten
up........sheesh
Rick
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:29:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: GoodwulfeATnospamaol.com
To: ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Changing our DNA? INDEEDY...
Message-ID: <971002012918_454908023ATnospamemout18.mail.aol.com>
RICK -- My sentiments exactly! Thanks for the chuckle, I needed that
one.
Keep that Third eye open! ! :-) Kelly
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: CDeepaATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: aliens
Message-ID: <971002013113_320997154ATnospamemout08.mail.aol.com>
About that alien stuff....before I was so kindly guided to the information on
kundalini and that, that, was what I was going thru....I had two psychics
tell me that I was abducted by aliens....I bought a bunch of books on the
stuff and the symtoms are very similar to K. symptoms.....
But later my guru...told me no you were not taken by aliens....
At that time I knew this was not the road to go down....
I think there are beings from other realms that have an interest in us....but
that it is no different than someone from a different country having an
interest...its just perhaps a part of every day life....and its not really
what is real...and what matters....its just as trivial as what color car you
have or what school you went to....its just stuff....
But....... I think that perhaps some of what people call alien abductions
may be interventions by divine beings to help us too...and maybe it is
connected to Kundalini awakenings.........who knows.....Just some of the
thoughts in this head......
Hummmmmm.......
Well....
Deepa :)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:43:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: CDeepaATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fwd: Kundalini Awakening
Message-ID: <971002014312_-395868114ATnospamemout14.mail.aol.com>
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Forwarded message:
Subj: Re: Kundalini Awakening
Date: 97-10-02 01:20:50 EDT
From: CDeepa
To: CKRESS
Wow....This just made me remember a dream that I had last nite.....for it to
make sense i must tell you that one part of the kundalini thing that I
experience is this uncomfortable unrealness of the world...including
myself....everything literally feels like a dream....surreal....
Well in the "dream" while i was sleeping last nite I was in some kind of
Ashram with a male teacher....and he told me that the radical changes in
perception were to help me let go of what I valued....or thought was so
real....so that I could begin to experience what is real......The purpose was
to shake loose the tite grip that I had on what I thought was real....or my
life....
And of course...the extreme pain has been a part of it all....tons of pain
and grief...
So...I thought that went along with what was said before.....
It is really a transformation.....and the pain really does seem to be a part
of it....perhaps it is the letting go....that hurts.....but this leads to the
expansion...
just some thoughts......deepa :)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:07:21 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: GoodwulfeATnospamaol.com
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Changing our DNA? INDEEDY...
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Dear Goodwulfe...
> Ruth, My friend, get a grip, okay? You are a most insulting and
> imperious personality. Just the type in my opinion who is NOT evolving
> spiritually with much grace!
This is the opposite of others' opinions.. but in both cases it has
little to do with spirit.
You are entitled to what ever appears to you in your universe.
> Inthe words of a famous Doctor (Deepak Chopra), " One thing is usually
> certain, the people who go around telling everyone they're ENLIGHTENED, --
> usually ARENT."
Are you talking about what he says of himself, because I have never
claimed this for myself... especially since I have no idea what it
involves; do you have a prescription for this? If so let us know what it
is. To be enlightened means you cannot criticise or suggest thingsto
others...seems to be one of your claims if this is so.
I am sure you are not referring to me.
> You actually BLAMED my health problems, which I might add you know
> NOTHING about, on the fact that I dont accept or believe what YOU want me to
> believe!
I think if you had read my letterI used the words "may" not "is".. and
this means that there is a possibility. I see that the suggestion has
definitely had an effect.. arousing anger.. and ire. This surge of energy
may have a transformative effect... use it to look inside and see who is
angry and hurt. This could be one of the most important gifts you will
receive in a long time.
The lineage of Ramana Maharishi the Advaita method
is to look within at everything that arises and ask "Who?" Ask and listen
to the answer "Who is angry?" If you are truly listening and honest, you
will hear the answer "I am!" and then ask "Who is I?" This question if
you follow that will yield the most amazing bliss...and you will never
again be the same...never angry on this sensitive issue ever again.. I
hope you will try it. I am not angry or hurt by what you write to me.
Maybe years ago it would have done that...but I cannot find a part of me
that is injured....there is nothing here... But I can get angry at some
things still...and then I do this method... cos anger is all about
ME...and no one else.
> I think you're a very cruel and selfish person, to try and make
> someone who may be close to death, feel bad about what SHE knows to be true
> in HER heart.
Oh dear do you want sympathy or pity? I would rather give you compassion
and say get over your mental state and examine your neural programming and
then start to find out what it is you REALLY are afraid of.
There is the possibility of transformation in this.. and I do not mind
being perceived as cruel if it helps you.
> Perhaps someday the tables will be turned, and when you're
down,> someone will kick you.
You must be prophetic.. that has happened to me.. maybe it is your turn
now.. as I did this all a few years back.. and I wanted people to feel
sorry for me too.. I was almost dying.. almost went a few times.. I found
only one person.. and he gave me absolute, unconditional love...and an
image of myself as a goddess that I knew was true. This was what pulled me
out of my pit of doom and gloom and self-pity. I have been there.. done
that! Perhaps that is why I recognize your tone. That is why I push your
buttons too.. who knows?
> Not everyones life experiences are alike, Ruth. YOURS isnt the ONLY
> theory on the planet either.
Who said it was.. but it is my opinion and the last time I heard, I still
had the right to express it. You do not have to believe it.. why not
just walk on by and leave it.. the fact tht you got angry means it is
pushing some issue for you... your homework is to find out why... I would
like to help you explore that... what is so frightening about 12 strand
DNA? or is the Reptoids?
> You mentioned " What are you afraid of"? " I bet you'd get
> over your illness tomorrow if you just allowed yourself to be the divine
> essence that you are."
I still believe this to be the case.
> You are truly not "Enlightened."
Is this a judgement or have you spoken to the angels who take care of me
lately? They did not tell me, maybe they will tell you....
Somehow in your logic you have confused "enlightened" with 12 strand DNA
and I for one would never make this connection because in my opinion...
the enlightened thing is about spirituality... and is beyond this
dimensional issue.. whereas the 12 strand is about planet Earth and her
inhabitants. I am not planning to be on this planet once she gets her
goals met... my mission is over and I am off back to the realms where I am
far less misunderstood and I and my beloved companions can make love and
music all galactic night long! Hmm. now that is a REAL goal...!
No one of the LIGHT would EVER say
> something so cruel and JUDGEMENTAL to someone so ill... You have no idea
> who I "Am" Ruth, so take care when "JUDGING".
So you are very ill.. is that true? Now how would anyone know this?
My dear there is no judgement in it.. but look at how you have abused me
here in your anger and temper. I am not angry about this.. I know you are
upset. Your judgement of me is the very thing you accuse me of!
Can you see this?
When I said these words.. "divine essence tht you are" I am not
making a judgment; this is FACT.. you are.. your body is not the
multidimensional part of you... but there is one divine part of you just
as surely as you have eyes reading this.
Does a person who is in tune with the harmony of the universe get
sick? Yes at times.. but these are lessons to learn..as I found out.
And I say it becuase I was very sick.. chronically sick and it bothered
me a whole lot that I thought I was so "on the path". I looked
back into my karma and I could see no reason for
the illness in terms of what I had done in my lifetimes... until I went to
visit a psychic healer and found out that I was carrying the karma not
just for my own genetic line, but for a good portion of the planet too.
There is a phenomenon of sorts that certain souls are doing their work for
the planet by being a "vacuum cleaner" for entities and dark stuff. They
are like worm holes if you know astronomy. They suck inthe vampires and
ghoulies that other people get plagued by. In the report I just heard
from Art Belland Father Malachae (sp) there has been an increase of 800%
of people possessed by demons in the past few years.. the astral entities
are trying to get out of our dimension big time. They are causing a lot of
illness and cancer and all kinds of physical ailments to people because
they are trapped here in a planet which is accelerating and vibrating at a
frequency that they cannot exist in. They have to leave. Some psychics
are able to send these beings to their homes... at various places in the
universe.. and they are happy to leave. But they cannot leave by
themselves.. they need someone who knows how to help them exit. The
reason I am here writing this is because I found one of these healers just
in time... I mean 11th hour...! And she saved my life.. what left my body
I was able to see.. it was not pretty.. But it was definitely ancient ...
sort of like a Wookie at one point.. There is material I have read that
says these beings came in during Atlantis when there was a bad experiment
with crystals and a time warp was created and creatures likethis came in
by mistake and attached themselves to all the beings who were living then.
I was one of these I have discovered. They vibrate very low.. and one of
them may even be creating your anger for you right now.. since mine have
gone I am so much less angry. Imagine being free of anger!
You may be one of these people clearing the karma of your family an
genetic lineage. My father's cousins only daughter died clearing that side
of the family.. I survived clearing mine largely thanks to the psychic
healer who cleared out these low-vibrating entities. Otherwise I would
have been gone.. I almost checked out three times.. and then.. well it
came down to a night of decision.. shall I keep on struggling or give
up...and I decided to keep on struggling.. even though I did not feel I
had a lot of reasons to stay and had no fear of death. Find out if you
have made this critical decision and then ask for divine assistance.
I found out there are practictioners doing this for people in something
called ACCESS.. and if you want to write me privately I will give you a
healer's name and phone so you can call her and she will clear out your
entities for you long distance. She has helped a lot of people and says
that to help one person clear entities 350,000 others are helped...that is
pretty darn incredible... and made me feel a whole lot better about the
pain I had been in.. which my healer said was almost more intense than she
could bear to tune in to.. well .. it is past now.
> there is more than one "idea" regarding our BEING here, and boy, if you're
> any example of what it's like to have 12 strands of DNA, Im glad I've just
> got 2. At least I still have a heart filled with LOVE.
Well if this is an example of your 2 strand form of Love, I am glad I am
mutating...
So I will offer this gift to you from a person who is mutating...and
feeling glad that she can offer you a way out of your need to be pitied..
and find your empowerment in health and healing as I have.
Have a big hug.. and much compassion.. for I have been there.. .done
that.. and it is your time now to heal.
Ruth
******
Everytime one realizes something of the truth, there is a dance in the
heart. The heart is the only testimony for the truth. (Osho)
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*****
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stuart Bell <wh982ATnospamfreenet.victoria.bc.ca>
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
cc: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Need to find Yoga Association in UK to point me to kundalini classes
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On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, indra wrote:
> Hello Thomas !
>
> I am from B.C. Canada. In 1992 I had come across a true Kundalini
> Yogini.
> She was 85 at the time. She had established a house called the Radha
> House at 7 Roper Road, Cantebury, Kent. CT2 7EH
> Tel: 44-1227-768813. You may wish to give them call and find out more.
>
> We welcome your interest,
> In Love, Life & Light,
> Indra
>
>
HI,
I'm curious. I live in Victoria and I think there's a Radha house in town
but I'm kind of worried about the financial aspect. Could you give me an
idea of how much regular classes would cost? Also, should I practice on
my own for a while before seeking instruction?
Thanks
Stuart
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:25:00 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Entity (fwd)
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This letter came from a friend who is doing this kind of entity
clearing...see my previous post...
================
Hi Sweetie,
I think many of us, on an unconscious level, decide to take other
peoples' entities as a way of helping them.
But we've been seeing another interesting phenomenon. The Access people
are magnetizing to them pretty big entities that affect thousands, if
not millions of people. I think this is because 1) We know how to
transmute them and 2) the entities themselves know we can, and they're
showing up to be transmuted! Cool. (I think they know their time is
about up in this dimension.) So since you know of these things and we
can remove them from you remotely, you are doing a great favor to
Humanity by keeping in touch with us about anything that shows up on you
so we can remove it.
Gary said that when an implant such as the Shadow implant or the
Body/Soul implant is taken off of one person, it lifts off of something
like 350,000 other people. (This is for the 5 major implants.) And
taking off a "boss" entity also takes entities off of all the people
that the "boss" entity was in charge of.
===============
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:37:25
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hello, LIST MYSTRESS !!!.. David, and more left-turn
maniacal ravings..
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At 12:25 29/09/97 -0500, MrNamaste wrote:
>Thank you for sharing your impressions of whom you believe to be fully
>awakened in our mass popular culture.
Well, thankyou for this, very much.. coz when I wrote it, going from Blue
light to awakened celebrities seemed like a pretty wierd left turn of
topic, not to mention, pretty arrogant judgements. I considered deleting
that part, but spirit said post it, so I knew it was important info for
somebody.. not just me spewing.. thanks for confirmation.
>I bring now to your attention this attachment. It is my fault that
>David's questions were no addressed by the group --- for I dragged the
>k-list into a discussion of moral relativity. For this I feel remorse,
>and would like to rectify it, by humbly asking that you consider
>seriously my request to re-submit his letter to the k-list.
As you can see, it went to the list without my intervention, for which I
am soooo thankful. You can post directly to the list, now.. so can anyone..
so can David.. and I hope he does.
I would suggest you get past the fault/blame thing into trust in
perfection, anyway..
I am certain the reason for the lack of response to this post, is that
aside from the usual difficulties with the life partner trying to keep up
with the changes, David appears to be having a classic, almost idyllic, K.
awakening, and really needs very little help from this list.
It may be, even, that those who have been posting lately, telling of
their hard times, were silent coz they were secretly envious of the
cafefree ease with which David seems to be handling his awakening?
Different mirrorsssss.
We're a bunch of healers, K. does that to us.. folks who are asking for
healing, get our attention better than folks who are well. It is the mirror
of us needing to heal ourselves.. Yet, beyond that oroborus loop of
belief in injury, is an idea of our utter perfection, awaiting permission
and trust to manifest to consciousness. David is mostly there, already..
It is perfection that you have brought this to our attention, as well,
because it is actually a better focus of energy, to celebrate wellness and
ease, than to magnify discomfort by giving it more attention. Thoughts are
so creative.
Folks coming onto the list, unconsciously model their expectations of
their next experiences, on the experiences they've read about.. folks who
have tough awakenings, I think, come into the experience with the belief
that psychic phenomena must resemble all of the spooky horror movies they
have ever seen. So they manifest/attract demons, and such.. Giving them
more horror stories might not be such an effective way of changing that
paradigm, as opposed to posts like David's, showing the ease that comes
with surrender, love and trust in the process.
Goddess, will keep giving them the horror stories, as long as they
continue to believe in them. Shine a flashlight into the dark places, if
the scurrying of little rat feet upsets you.. look at what you think is the
source of the fear inside yourself.
Or ignore it, and come enjoy the abundant sunshine Goddess provides.
Listen to the music, instead. Make light music of the scurrying..
It is simply a matter of choice.. but to get to that place of choice,
requires seeing and understanding that all of the past circumstances, were
equally by choice. Trusting to their perfection, in spite of how they may
have felt at the time. Understanding them comes later. Or never.. who
cares? Stay in the bliss of the moment, where the power of choice lives.
So, if your friend was reaching for help, he didn't get it, coz he
doesn't seem to need any.
Rather, I would invite him to join the list, to offer reassurance of his
experiences of joy, to members who post about thier fears, and so use his
abundant K. to help them get past the fear vibration place, and accellerate
them into the Grace of Awakening.
Then he will be getting responses, like you are responding to me, of
gratitude.. yummy delicous vibration. Thanks again.
*********
I will be reminding myself, not to be so readily victim to the cries of
victims, demanding my attention, but to take more time myself to celebrate
expressions of bliss, instead of noises of fear.. so my life will mirror
more people who are experiencing bliss. We get what we focus on..
*******************
Now here it happens again.. I am about to finish a post, and my thoughts
take a left turn, and I am prompted to write about something similar yet
different.. and this is the left turn that really stalled things.. caused
this post to sit in my outbox for a coupla days, now.. as I considered
whether what had come out really was postable.. I've rewritten it twice and
chopped it in half, .. then what came out instead after, was more left
turns.. ah well. Here goes..:)
Skip to the next starry line, if my BDSM lifestyle offends your
sensibilities..
*
I tell my slaves, when I am training them, that I am such a cruel bitch,
that I kick puppies for whining. I want happy slaves. They are directed to
be happy.
It is more complex than it appears...
It would seem the height of cruelty, to kick a whining puppy, and I
assure you it is metaphorical.. I don't abuse animals, they cannot consent.
Yet in nature, the crying of a wounded animal will attract a predator who
will finish it off.. whiners become lunch.
The point of playing the control games in the first place, is to learn
the lessons of the truth of free will, which is that they choose how to
percieve their life experiences, I cannot ever ever ever control that.
The cosmic law of free will says that there are no victims, and the
knowledge of that truth, fuels the game.
No one controls their happiness, ultimately, except them.
They are not puppies, they are free will humans pretending to be pets..
they chose how to feel, and if they are choosing to feel unhappy, for
stupid REASONS, then I will enhance their pleasure enjoying pathos with a
kick. Usually a verbal one..
Perhaps, a love energy kick up to a higher dimension, where things are
different and of course, the game of our roles dissolves also along the way
out of duality.. to be renewed, or released, with new understanding, when
we come back. Yup, I still don't spend much time listening to whining.. I
just absorb it with empathy and transform.
************************
Here are some statements that mean almost the same thing:
"Count your blessigs, and find joy."
"Brighten up, things could be worse".
"There, but for the grace of Goddess, goes I".
(Roared) "Stop crying, or I'LL Give you something to cry about."
"You oughta be grateful!!" (at 40 decibels, from your mother..)
They all mean, that we get more of what we focus on, coz our thoughts
words and actions are creative: therefore, focus on gratitude.. The scarier
ones are about running frightened away from darkness, wheras the nice ones
are about moving toward light.
Counting blessings is more positively productive than crying over spilt
milk.
*****************
(((( If you buy into the 12 step idea, that folks don't change till they
hit bottom, then maybe helping someone hit bottom sooner, taking away
crutches tough-love.. is helping them towards positive change. The "scum
like you belongs in the gutter", .. piss 'em off, coz angry people at
least, are not apathetic" motivational approach.. very german, boot camp ish.
As long as they don't hit bottom so hard, that they are broken up by the
impact. Humpty Dumpty could not be put back together again.. so, safer
to encourage them to count their blessings..!! ))))
**********************
Two tales:
Story #1.
You are hiking in the woods. You see a rabid Grizzly bear.
Frightened, you run away as fast as you can.
When you run out of breath, the bear is gone, but you are now completely
lost in the woods, and you die even more painfully of exposure anyway.
Story #2.
You are hiking in the woods. You see a rabid Grizzly bear.
Frightened, you run for home as fast as you can.
When you run out of breath, the bear is gone, but you are now much closer
to home, and kinda tired.
So you go the rest of the way home, call the warden service to warn them
of the rabid grizzly, and go to bed.
Home is where the heart is.. keep your mind on that focus, then no
matter what happens, you'll be just fine.
Blessings, and thanks for the patience, if you've made it this far!!
Mystress.
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