1997/09/29 02:21
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #473
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 473
Today's Topics:
Re: the color "blue"
drenched in sweat.
the polarity/duality thing
k-conference idea.
Re: Evan's inquiry
Re: k-conference idea.
Re: Struggle/Confusion
Re: Ego/ego
Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Re: The Kundalini Perspective
crossroad
Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Publish it.
Re: Introduction
quick info? k & methadone
k-conference
Re: Introduction
Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:45:54
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
Cc: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the color "blue"
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At 15:20 27/09/97 -0700, M wrote:
>I see blue all the time and feel like a dummy here and often feel like a
>rude person out in the world, so I'd say that theory is pretty
questionable...
>
>M
>
Hiya:
I never really claim to be a K. scholar.. and lately I have been holding
back from posting my opinions, to see what other folks have to say.
And, I am too $%^&*$#$^ busy forwarding member's spam-blocked email to
post..!!
My untutored opinion, having seen my pale white self glowing blue on a
number of occasions.. Kundalini is a rather interesting shade of blue.
Blue K. fire, blue fog, blue pearl, Shiva and Shakti are blue..
Kundalini is blue. Except when it is gold, like a bleach stain on jeans..
less intensity.
David Bowie, Sound & Vision:
"Blue, blue, electric blue, is the color of my room..
Where I will live.. Blue- blue."
Saw him in concert for the 6th time a coupla weeks ago. He Glowed blue..
Most definitely a very awakened fella.. Talent that big, comes from Goddess.
You can tell the awakened artists, they are the ones who are having the
most fun, and who have had the most changes.. Tina Turner is a Buddhist,
the energy work she does, fueling her performance with the audience's
energetic attention, transforming it in the furnace of the love she has for
her art, and sending it back out. .. marvellous. Go see her and taste it.
Dolly Parton is awakened.. so's Sarah MacLaughlan. Blue hawaii..
Steven Spielberg is almost certainly awakened. His use of archtypes in his
work bespeaks some divine guidance, which in turn is popular because of the
resonance-recognition.
The artist formerly known as Prince is awakened.. he twigged to the
multidimensionality of his being, and the namelessness of his soul, and had
the guts to express that state, tho is was not understood well by the media..
Who else? Oprah is awakened, her heart chakra burns thru the TV screen..
and Elvis.. Elvis probably was awakened, perhaps that is part of the reason
for his Sainted Status in the trash tabloids.. "Ghost of Elvis Saves Baby!!".
Well, there's some ideas.
Blessings, Serpent.
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:52:29
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: drenched in sweat.
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dor wrote:
> you lie awake night after night drenched in sweat.
Four or five years ago, I had this experience! I had no idea what it was
and didn't know until today. (I guess I thought I was exercising too
much or hormones were raging (strange for being in my 20s at the time).
Also, six and seven years back I used to get painful headaches behind my
eyes. I read somewhere (maybe on the list) that eye headaches can be
related to opening of the third eye. I survived by downing otc
sinus/cold medicine. Has anyone else had sweats and headaches?
I have never really known if my experience was kundalini. I haven't had
some of the other strange physical side effects which dor and others
have described. I only had everything else in my life fall apart. (That
sure was fun!) But my health and body is doing great, better than ever.
The other quality I have noticed is that I am becoming stranger and
stranger. I don't fit in with society. I am not antisocial, but I
refuse to participate in activities which don't provide benefit for me
or others. (I've resigned from several community boards and committees
which fell into this category.) I do pull out a personality to relate
as is necessary. But at a core level, I do not conform. (Come to think
of it, nonconformity was always a latent quality of mine.)
Anyway, after this post, I am beginning to believe that maybe I did have
a kundalini awakening. It just was more gentle physically than most
people's. Does this make sense???
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:53:17
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: the polarity/duality thing
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Bliss (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> Do you think it is possible that, to create a perfect union, the
> polarity/duality thing could manifest itself in such a divisive way..?
> What I mean is, one person feels all of the good, therefore the other
> must feel an equal amount of 'bad' until a state of '1' is acheived?
Hi Bliss,
This is an interesting concept, but I don't believe that's the way it
works. My personal experience is that people who are negative and condeming
of our spiritual quest tend to just bring us down to their level.
I concur with Ruth on this one. This man isn't nurturing your essence and
so maybe it's time to move on. I applaud you for your awareness of what he
is doing. I was blind to what was going on in my relationship for 10 years.
In fact he had to leave before I even began understanding the dynamics. I
went through some very rough times after his departure, but the end result
has been an ability to express my spirit. I wouldn't trade this for any
relationship!
Good luck to you. (and by the way, I was never into drugs)
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:52:49
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: k-conference idea.
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I've counted at least 6 responses in favor of the k-conference idea. So I'm
thinking maybe the next step is to gather input from people about event
specifics.
1. Where would you want the event? (A couple of suggestions...Orlando or
Vancouver. Or we could also plan a virtual event.)
2. What month of the year? What day(s) of the week?
3. What type of presenters would you be interested in listening to?
(specific names or general topics covered)
4. What type of products/services would you be interested in seeing?
5. What would you expect to pay?
6. How long should the event last?
7. Would you be willing to help with an aspect of organizing the event?
8. What other people might be interested in this event (eg. yoga students,
meditation centers)
Please respond to me at my address so this doesn't clog up the k-list.
Subject heading...k-conference
I'll report back to the k-list with results
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:14:18
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Evan's inquiry
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I was wandering, Evan, if you where still there after all this? And if
you are... do you think you learned something, up to know?
Sorry I lost your initial message, with your email on it.
Antoine,
with Peace and Love
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:37:18 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Nancy (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: k-conference idea.
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Nancy (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> I've counted at least 6 responses in favor of the k-conference idea. So I'm
> thinking maybe the next step is to gather input from people about event
> specifics.
>
> 1. Where would you want the event? (A couple of suggestions...Orlando or
> Vancouver. Or we could also plan a virtual event.)
>
> 2. What month of the year? What day(s) of the week?
>
> 3. What type of presenters would you be interested in listening to?
> (specific names or general topics covered)
>
> 4. What type of products/services would you be interested in seeing?
>
> 5. What would you expect to pay?
>
> 6. How long should the event last?
>
> 7. Would you be willing to help with an aspect of organizing the event?
>
> 8. What other people might be interested in this event (eg. yoga students,
> meditation centers)
>
> Please respond to me at my address so this doesn't clog up the k-list.
> Subject heading...k-conference
>
> I'll report back to the k-list with results
>
> Namaste,
> Nancy
Since people are spread out all over, it would be difficult to meet
where it is good for everyone. Gloria
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:57:04 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: tg xxx <imtgATnospamjuno.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Struggle/Confusion
Message-ID: <342E9A6E.2F6AATnospamintercomm.com>
>
> So after receiving that rush of info, I was blissed! The nine hour
> balance I had to drive was a piece of cake - I wasn't upset anymore.
> Could easily just await my own Pilot Car Angel for this situation.
>
> I arrived in Florida. A couple of hours later, I received a phone call,
> with all my confusion put at ease. The next few days (my obstacle
> course) was piloted beautifully by two angels (one friend, one stranger)
> - I didn't have to do a thing, but to follow.
>
> I've used this now anytime I am confused, and it always works.
>
> xxxtg
>
>
Gloria: This is so true, it is just getting out of the illusion enough
to remember who you are. Whenever you feel anxiety or confusion the best
way to deal with it is to say "Am I ok this very second?" if the answer
is yes...then there is nothing to fret about. This second is the now.
Gloria
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:56:12 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Ego/ego
Message-ID: <342F18CC.266CATnospammail.snet.net>
by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> It appears there are a lot of people
> throwing these ego ideas around like they know what it all means.
Ego is an idea, and it means nothing.
And the ones who throw these ideas around...
that is ego.
Peace to you
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:10:00 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Kundalini Perspective
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tg xxx wrote:
> It wasn't depression -- It was a total disconnection from
> God. A sort of blackness - no answers to be felt or received, no
> presence or knowing that sHe is there. No one externally could help.
> The desperation to be reconnected was soul-wrenching. No matter what I
> tried, it was to no avail. My heart was broken. The external stuff
> lost did not matter. My soul cried nightly. It still brings tears to
> my eyes now to remember this separation. I thought I had lost my Source
> forever!
>
> And then one day, it was lifted! Why, I don't know. But I felt the
> difference.
>
> Does anyone know why this dark night occurs, and if it is common with K
> experiences? Or just the unbalanced ones?
This world is the dream of separation.
This underlying infinite loneliness is the yearning for wholeness.
It is a wound we all share.
No one is without it in the dream of separation.
The pathway back towards our remembering of Unity requires we pass
through this wound.
It is the only way.
Not away.
Ego says,"Cover it up. This overwhelming loneliness is weakness. Seek to
fill it with something "out there". Something apart from yourself."
We are conditioned to ignore pain and hide from it, rather than go into
it.
But go through the door of this infinite loneliness we must, in order to
pass through from where we came and heal the wound.
What lies on the other side of this loneliness that we would rather
avoid and bury?
What is there to find?
Could it be what we have been really seeking all this time?
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:36:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Cc: tg xxx <imtgATnospamjuno.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Kundalini Perspective
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At 02:32 PM 9/28/97 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote:
>Hi TG:
>Re: your comments about the depression or Dark Night of the Soul.
> I agree it is gruesome. I remember being so depressed that I could not
>lift my head off the pillow...all day..
Ladies, I would like to know if this was all pre-K, a prelude to K, a stage
of K, unrelated, much much before, etc. How do you interpret the dark night
in relationship to K? This seems so important...I am not sure why. M
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:56:01 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: crossroad
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Why has this screaming power
crushed the music of my dream?
That beautiful, sad dream
filled with forlorn and lonely life.
In this realisation I arrive at a crossroad, hot, dusty,
dragging my torn body to a stop.
The salt of sweat envelops my lips, tongue
and the dry, raspy constriction of my throat.
The journey to this place, difficult but grand,
stretches behind me like a familiar trodden carpet.
But here, at this place, Now, there is little familiar.
Now there is only a beckoning whisper of the past
and the cool, fresh breeze of beauty.
A step in any direction brings answers
yet still deeper questions,
glimpses of a legacy unraveling to a singular truth,
awesome in its simplicity and complete indifference.
The road I feel to choose is to live
through the beauty capable of this human form.
With the sad dream crushed there is place for love
in this weary traveled heart.
This embodied reflection at the crossroad
goes now to teach without knowing,
to love the full living, to live its small part
in the balance of the equation of the singular truth.
Zympht.
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:35:47
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Kundalini Perspective
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tg wrote:
>And once again, if I had to go through this now, with the knowledge I've
>received on K via this list and books, and had a good solid spiritual &
mental/emotional foundation, I do believe this whole story would be
completely different.
Hi tg,
Even if I had not the knowledge and k struck in the same manner as before,
and I had a choice, would I go through it again? In a heartbeat! Once you
come to know what it all means, and you see the whole picture, and what
awaits you in the future, yeah... K still does the dance, but at least I
understand it... now. And now that I understand it, the true meaning of the
experience is so awsome.
True, you lose your old friends who all think your crazy as hell. So the
old friends left, so? Were they truly our friends? Each day is different
from yesterday and we learn the meaning of life, step by step. Each day can
be filled with surprises, you accept them and continue on. I am blessed!
love dor
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:36:28
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Publish it.
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Dear Indra,
I apologize for taking so long to get back to you about your writing.
I read your paper this morning. It is exquisite.
I re-read your paper before lunch and really appreciated it. It is
REALLY good.
During the afternoon hours I thought abit you and your family --- living
here in the West because of what you identified as a divine command, one
which you followed that took you so far from your home of origin in
India ---- so perhaps you could help direct some us Westerners to our
True Home of Origin.
After I re-read your post for the third time this afternoon, I spent
some time thinking about how well you had described the role of my own
guru in my own life -- although you have never met either of us.
I have just read your paper a fourth time --- and I muse, "But there is
absolutely NOTHING he did not cover in this immaculate work."
You are an excellent writer. You have a very important & timely
message. I do not see any inconsistencies in anything you write; nor is
there anything of a merely grammatical nature that I would point out to
you. I am not a writer --- I am a "Reader" and I can honestly tell you
tha your writing reads VERY well.
Thank you for providing me with such nice material to preoccupy my time
today. I encourage you to sumbit this for publishing. (Indeed, I will
buy this book and send it to you for your autograph !!)
You have explained in a very lucid articulate manner a relationship that
is very difficult for many people who live in the West to understand.
Thank you for listening to the Divine Call, responding to Her, following
through, emigrating to Canada, writing your speech, putting it online
--- and then, wonder of wonders!!!!! --- sharing it with me, who had no
idea it existed, (much less of its entire history.)
Indra, these things I tell you about your writing, these things are NOT
compliments. These statements are facts, as best as I can describe
them. I am VERY happy I was able to read it --- however, Indra there
are 1000s of people who really need to read your words. Many of those
people are not online.
Therefore, I have a question. May I have your full conscious permission
to ask my guru to assist you that the best of all possible things for
the best of all possible people happens in regards to your writing?
(If I simply prayed for it, without attaching that "loftiness" bit ---
why, Indra --- I'd simply pray that you win the Lottery of lotteries ---
for not only do you deserve it, --- geez, you'd even know what to do
with it.) Namaste.
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:37:25
From: "James Walters" <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Antoine,
Early on I found Chia's closing method where he rotated the energy in
the lower tantien to be very helpfull. These days the orbit by itself
is not sufficient to cool things down, especially when I've done
things that really get the flows going. Now about 20 minutes of Tai
Chi seems to do the trick.
Thanks for the suggestions though :) ! Perhaps you could tell me a
little about yourself off-line.
James
> Hello James,
>
> Having read, about Mantak chia, and done martial arts, you must of come
> by the "microcosmic orbit" (a circular path by with to make the chi
> pass). By opening it most of the problems you enumerated go away, it
> smoothens the K awakening. Energy doesn't get stuck in one place.
>
> But from your experience I can see those paths are well open now. I hope
> will get to met sometime.
>
> Antoine
>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:12:31
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamdragontree.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: quick info? k & methadone
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Namaste Angelique and all,
Has anyone any info about spiritual awakening and metadone withdrawal?
I have an elderly friend who is just opening to guides and healing, and is
now in an odd situation. We're all hoping it is some sort of spontaneous/k
healing of her methadone addiction.
Here is a post I've put up lots of places asking info. It's now 6 days
since she has had any methadone, possibly longer. She is complaining of
'withdrawals' but seems ok.
Thanks,
Mary
===============
I need some info/encouragement very quickly for an elderly lady whose
Methadone has just been withdrawn.
For the first 4 days (plus?) she had no Methadone (or other
drugs) -- but no discomfort and no sign of withdrawal symptoms.
She has been on Methadone for 10 years, following a medical addiction
to a prescription pain drug (percodet? percodyne?).
Is it possible to stop Methadone abruptly without symptoms?
Is it possible to go 4 days without symptoms, then have to resume
Methadone? (Normally she took several doses per day.)
She signed with the Methadone Center as a "lifetime user", and they have
several times refused to try to "detox" her, citing danger of stroke.
She is in very fragile health, and had a stroke 10 years ago when the
perco- drug was withdrawn.
The current situation is:
On Tuesday Sept 23 a friend found her "confused" and took her to the
hospital. No sign of stroke was found. They found malnutrition and minor
infections.
>From Tuesday-Friday she remained "confused/disoriented", showed no
discomfort, talked clearly but not grasping her situation, and did not
request Methadone or any other drug. This Saturday morning suddenly
her mind came back to normal. When she was told that she was
without Methadone she panicked and began asking for it and showing some
shakiness etc. Now she is complaining of "withdrawals".
She is now in a convalescent hospital, where her (new) doctor
wants her to stay for 1-2 weeks (as she lives alone and has arthritis).
He and the hospital people say, "If she had no withdrawal symptoms
during the first 4 days, she doesn't really need the Methadone."
The Methadone Center people are hard to reach, and understandably
cautious.
We are all praying the doctor is correct. But she is his first Methadone
patient, and none of the staff seems familiar with drug/methadone issues
either. So she is very upset, and we fear emotional stress and her fears
of stroke might bring one on. In normal life, when she forgets her dose
for an hour or so, she gets sick immediately.
Has anyone heard of such cases? How did they turn out?
I would very much appreciate any information.
Mary Ezzell
707-463-3003
maryATnospamsonic.net
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:12:19
From: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: k-conference
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At 05:52 PM 9/28/97, you wrote:
>I've counted at least 6 responses in favor of the k-conference idea. So I'm
>thinking maybe the next step is to gather input from people about event
>specifics.
>
>1. Where would you want the event? (A couple of suggestions...Orlando or
>Vancouver. Or we could also plan a virtual event.) VANCOUVER
>
>2. What month of the year? What day(s) of the week? WEEKEND
>
>3. What type of presenters would you be interested in listening to?
>(specific names or general topics covered) NONE - FAR TOO MUCH OF THIS
SORT OF
>STUFF IS AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE. REAL POINT IS TO MEET OTHER K'S
>4. What type of products/services would you be interested in seeing?
>NONE - SEE 3 ABOVE
>5. What would you expect to pay? PEANUTS - JUST THE COST OF TRAVEL,
ACCOMODATION, MEALS: MEETING CAN BE IN ROOM SUPPLIED, OUTDOORS, ETC
>
>6. How long should the event last? WEEKEND
>
>7. Would you be willing to help with an aspect of organizing the event?
>IN VANCOUVER, YES
>8. What other people might be interested in this event (eg. yoga students,
>meditation centers) KEEP IT TO ONLY K'S
>
>
>Please respond to me at my address so this doesn't clog up the k-list.
>Subject heading...k-conference TO LIST, TO SUGGEST ABOVE MAJOR VARIATIONS
ON ORIGINAL SUGGESTION
>
>I'll report back to the k-list with results
>
>Namaste,
>Nancy
>
>
>
>
J.M.Living, P.Eng., A wise old owl lived in an oak;
2731 West 11th.Avenue, the more he saw, the less he spoke;
Vancouver, B.C., the less he spoke, the more he heard;
Canada V6K 2L8 he was definitely not a political bird !
Vox & Fax (604) 737-7456
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:15:44
From: "James Walters" <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Hi Gloria,
Wonderfull analogy...dance in the fire :).
I'll check out your home page probably tomorrow.
Thank you for the insight into the process.
James
> > James, Hi I'm Gloria, you can tell from the list that none of this is
that unusual,
the fact that you have so much heat however, means that kundalini is
moving on the pingala side of the nadis which
> control kundalini, you can recognize an area such as the nadis which are
> the channels or tubes in which it moves, so you can see a solution
> through the fruit and focus on moving it, but this still isn't control.
> It is going to move without your permission, wherever is necessary for
> the moment. the best you can do is learn the dance...which means to go
> with it. Where there are blocks and discomfort as we humans call it, it
> is only there because something needs to be rearranged, so that to you
> just detach from... observe, let go and just let it be.
> Nice to meet you James, check out my homepage at
> http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ and we can chat more. By the way, the
> mediation page isn't it yet, everyone thinks its an error. It is just
> getting there. Gloria
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:17:55
From: CJ Anderson <kirimakuATnospamgoodnet.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Kundalini Perspective
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In the teachings of the shamonic path I am apprenticed to, the sexuality
teachings sit in the center of the circle that has in the cardinal
directions - emotional, mental physical spiritual teachings - because it
is the life force energy - which when activated touches the shadow of
all the aspects - the shadow is our strongest allie when the light is
shown on it. It is like a crock pot, when stirring it brings things to
the top not seen before. When you work with only one of the pieces as
most religions and traditional medicine do, it is easy to confine the
growth (and therefore the healing) to that one arena.
So has it been within the areana of understanding and knowledge.
> >Re: your comments about the depression or Dark Night of the Soul.
> > I agree it is gruesome. I remember being so depressed that I could not
> >lift my head off the pillow...all day..
>
> Ladies, I would like to know if this was all pre-K, a prelude to K, a stage
> of K, unrelated, much much before, etc. How do you interpret the dark night
> in relationship to K? This seems so important...I am not sure why. M
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:19:39
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Kundalini Perspective
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M wrote:
> At 02:32 PM 9/28/97 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote:
> >Hi TG:
> >Re: your comments about the depression or Dark Night of the Soul.
> > I agree it is gruesome. I remember being so depressed that I could
> not
> >lift my head off the pillow...all day..
>
> Ladies, I would like to know if this was all pre-K, a prelude to K, a
> stage
> of K, unrelated, much much before, etc. How do you interpret the dark
> night
> in relationship to K? This seems so important...I am not sure
> why. M
Hello M, I'm not a lady :-), but from personnal experience, I can say it
appens when the "ego" is strong enough to block the kundalini process
for a while, from rising. The "ego" who doens't wan't to change (for x
reason) will try to kill the energy at the source. The remaining
kundalini, in this struggle, will slolly open the "ego", but with no
sensation of Ligth.
Pre-, prelude or stage depends on the relative meaning you give to the
words. I would say all tree of them ;-) Definitly not, unrelated, if
it's follows de defintion of a clinical depression, which means it slows
down the physical body. Two entities are at war, then in the bodie.
I hope it helped
Antoine
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Antoine Carré
http://www.concentric.net/~acarre/
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