1997/09/28 17:48
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #472
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 472
Today's Topics:
Re: Introduction
Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Re: Introduction
Re: feelings of empiness
Struggle/Confusion
Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Re: Evan's inquiry
Re: Dear Evan: Kundalini Virus update
Re: Grounding: tingles, buzzes, etc.
Re: Questions, questions...
The Path of Depression
Re: Ego/ego
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:18:48
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Hello James,
Having read, about Mantak chia, and done martial arts, you must of come
by the "microcosmic orbit" (a circular path by with to make the chi
pass). By opening it most of the problems you enumerated go away, it
smoothens the K awakening. Energy doesn't get stuck in one place.
But from your experience I can see those paths are well open now. I hope
will get to met sometime.
Antoine
James Walters (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> Hello,
> After lurking for such a long time on this list I thought I'd
> introduce myself. I'm James, 34, married with two two children.
> My interest with Kundalini began when I was searching to
> understand my experiences. I found my first reference to it
> in one of Mantak Chia's books, "Awaken Healing Energy
> Through the Tao", and since have done a great deal of reading on
> the general subject area as well as lurked on this list :).
>
> I'm a martial artist, and it was my martial practice that catapulted
> me into this strange world. My experience began with abnormally
> hot anger and just an incredible increase in my libido. It's
> continued with just a large list of symptoms over about the last
> 4 years that I'll list here. The list is pretty much goes from the
> earliest symptoms to the latest ones.
> *hot anger
> *hellacious libido
> *strange pulsating and throbing of muscles
> *extreme fatigue (at times), or extreme energy and insomnia
> *extreme increase in swiftness, agility, timing and physical power
> *extreme desire to destroy
> *changes in digestion and elimination; sometimes on the pot 5 times
> in a day :(.
> *aversion to certain foods, especially things like
> hamburgers, sausage, pork, etc.
> *able to pick up other's emotions and intentions
> *aversion to being around large groups of people (too much input)
> *actually feel the muscles in the back tensing as the energy climbed
> up the back during meditation
> *occasional lights during meditation
> *occasional "stars" in my field of vision during the day
> *heat to the point of being painfull in the body, ears, hands, etc.
> *my wife would complain my hands were too hot, that I was like
> an open oven door, or that my arms were as heavy as logs
> *a sound like a roaring vacuum cleaner and something swirling around
> in my head as I lay in bed
> *lucid dreaming
> *rarely sick
> *A new appreciation of things, like the passion in music
> *The ability to effect others, usually not on purpose :(
> *ability to do a general diagnosis of a persons general state
> of health and emotions just by looking at them
> *the ability to do some limited healing
> *ability to circulate energy through my own body by
> using my will
> *ability to run energy through others
>
> Many of the people I used to consider friends are no longer friends,
> and those who before I wouldn't consider to be friends are now my
> best friends.
>
> I'm finally getting to the point (after 4 years) where I have a fair
> measure of control over what happens. It turns out that
> Tai Chi and meditation are my best tools for cooling the fire.
> But for a while I was on the roller coaster from hell. It was as if I
> wanted to scream constantly, and nobody around me understood
> what was happening to me. As some of the other posts have said,
> I wouldn't want anyone to follow the same path as me.
>
> James
--
Antoine Carré
http://www.concentric.net/~acarre/
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:19:09 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Message-ID: <19970928.172239.4022.28.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
Ruth said....
<< It occurs to me that most people experience discomfort of some kind,
but that is very much third dimensional reality. >>
True, true.... and that is what I went into in my posting as those who
haven't experienced other realities, it would be difficult to comprehend.
(and of course, that is an assumption - maybe it wouldn't).....
I would have to say that the most difficult of my whole experience with K
was the dark night of the soul. It lasted pretty much 6 months on the
nose. And so hard to explain what that is like unless you have been
through it. I've been depressed before, prior to K, but it was nothing
like that! It wasn't depression -- It was a total disconnection from
God. A sort of blackness - no answers to be felt or received, no
presence or knowing that sHe is there. No one externally could help.
The desperation to be reconnected was soul-wrenching. No matter what I
tried, it was to no avail. My heart was broken. The external stuff
lost did not matter. My soul cried nightly. It still brings tears to
my eyes now to remember this separation. I thought I had lost my Source
forever!
And then one day, it was lifted! Why, I don't know. But I felt the
difference. This dark night has not occurred since, even though many
catastrophic things happened in my life after that.
Does anyone know why this dark night occurs, and if it is common with K
experiences? Or just the unbalanced ones?
awwwwww poor me! LOL...... I hope this comes across as sharing and not
whining. That is my intention (sharing). Hey, but I, along with many
many many others have gotten through all this stuff, or there are those
who do not go through it at all. Either way, you will be better for it.
And if you aren't better by now, you will be!
And once again, if I had to go through this now, with the knowledge I've
received on K via this list and books, and had a good solid spiritual &
mental/emotional foundation, I do believe this whole story would be
completely different.
Let's hear it for balance!
xxxtg
"When all else fails, read the instructions."
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:30:55 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "James Walters (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction
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James Walters (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
>
> I'm finally getting to the point (after 4 years) where I have a fair
> measure of control over what happens. It turns out that
> Tai Chi and meditation are my best tools for cooling the fire.
> But for a while I was on the roller coaster from hell. It was as if I
> wanted to scream constantly, and nobody around me understood
> what was happening to me. As some of the other posts have said,
> I wouldn't want anyone to follow the same path as me.
>
> James, Hi I'm Gloria, you can tell from the list that none of this is that unusual, the fact that you have so much heat however, means that kundalini is moving on the pingala side of the nadis which brings intense heat. In fact, I'm sure those spontaneous combustions have to do with this. This is what Gopi Krishna experienced also until he leared that he could move the energy from the solar focus to the lunar and cool it off by getting it in the center or sushumna. Once you learn this as he did, he simply visualized it moving from the right to the left and then it entered the sushumna.
I don't think the word your looking for is control because one doesn't
control kundalini, you can recognize an area such as the nadis which are
the channels or tubes in which it moves, so you can see a solution
through the fruit and focus on moving it, but this still isn't control.
It is going to move without your permission, wherever is necessary for
the moment. the best you can do is learn the dance...which means to go
with it. Where there are blocks and discomfort as we humans call it, it
is only there because something needs to be rearranged, so that to you
just detach from... observe, let go and just let it be.
Nice to meet you James, check out my homepage at
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ and we can chat more. By the way, the
mediation page isn't it yet, everyone thinks its an error. It is just
getting there. Gloria
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:42:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Abby <abbyATnospamhinet.co.za>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: feelings of empiness
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At 03:31 AM 9/27/97, Abby wrote:
...wot must i do...my hope has gone...
>
>i said before..it is easier for me to write a story about how i feel
>rather then just telling as it is..
>hello once again
>from
>Abigail
You are telling your story to the right people. We have wandered those
halls too. But we gather here to look in different mirrors. Don't you like
what you see? M
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:02:49 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Struggle/Confusion
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Gloria wrote...
<<Struggle is there for a reason, it molds us into who we are. And when
you really surrender and accept where you are in this very moment, then
a lot of that can be relieved>>
I fully agree! This is so true.
Maybe struggle is a reminder (the good ol' red flags) to accept the
moment, rather than living in the future (wishing you were in a better
place). In the moment, the miracles can occur. And it only takes an
instant of remembering the moment, where joy & truth are, to receive the
miracle. But we have to be willing to see the truth. And only a little
willingness is asked for.
Confusion is also a good red flag for me - at that time, I know I am not
seeing clearly and I don't have to do a thing. I was taught this in a
most unusual way! I was driving from Georgia to Florida and was soooo
confused about a situation facing me in Florida, it had me in tears for
the first hour of driving. Whining, 'what am I gonna do?' 'oh poor me'
'how can I do this?' blah blah blah...... So I kind of mentally slapped
myself and said, 'get a grip girl.'
I began to look around at the scenery while driving and within a couple
of minutes, I had to come to a complete stop. There was road
construction going on on one of these back roads and a man had the
temporary stop sign out for traffic. The cars started lining up behind
me (I was first in line). I didn't know what I was going to do when he
took the stop sign down, as I had two roads to choose from - an old one,
which was being worked on. And a new one, which was being worked on.
So, in that moment, I decided to just observe. The stop sign came down,
and a miracle truck appeared in front of me that had a big sign on it
that said "PILOT CAR - FOLLOW ME".
So I followed it slowly as it weaved in and out the two roads, until
finally we were through the construction, where a man at the end of line
line, waved goodbye with a smile.
I thought to myself, 'Wow, that was pretty neet - never saw a Pilot Car
like that before." And in a flood/rush revelation, I received a message
that said this was the same as our journey here on earth. When things
are going along fine, you can see clearly and know exactly what to do or
not to do. No need for a Pilot Car. But when we are confused, we only
need to stop and wait patiently for a moment, and an angel will be given
you to show you the way, until you are all through the obstacles and
confusion. It was said that normally we always have angels, even during
our most joyful and clear times, but they are the unseen angels. But
during the confusing times, we are given an angel for us to see -
sometimes in the form of strangers, or family, or friends - that it is
not something we need to ask for (I didn't have to ask for the Pilot Car
- he just came), but to know that they will come in one form or another.
So after receiving that rush of info, I was blissed! The nine hour
balance I had to drive was a piece of cake - I wasn't upset anymore.
Could easily just await my own Pilot Car Angel for this situation.
I arrived in Florida. A couple of hours later, I received a phone call,
with all my confusion put at ease. The next few days (my obstacle
course) was piloted beautifully by two angels (one friend, one stranger)
- I didn't have to do a thing, but to follow.
I've used this now anytime I am confused, and it always works.
xxxtg
"The road to success is always under construction."
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:32:44 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: tg xxx <imtgATnospamjuno.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Kundalini Perspective
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Hi TG:
Re: your comments about the depression or Dark Night of the Soul.
I agree it is gruesome. I remember being so depressed that I could not
lift my head off the pillow...all day.. I was as if paralyzed by
incredible blankness. There was no light in anything.. and I believe it
lasted about 6 months although tapered off near the end of that time.
I do remember a few things that may resonate with some of you.
It certainly is not all bliss....
My daughter had to be fed and there was noone else to do it but me. TO get
up and feed myself was impossible, but to feed her... no problem. I could
get out of bed and go cook her a meal. As soon as that duty was done,
however, back I went into the bed and paralysis returned.
I remember long nights and days where I would doze off momentarily and
wake up and the clock would read as if time had gone backwards.
I remember jerking my body over and over as if I had left it and come back
in...as if I just did not want to be in it.. but something kept pulling me
back.
I remember dragging myself and my child to a chanting center and sitting
down with numb agony in my gut and at the end of the chant realizing that
the agony had gone and I felt "normal" again. Then I had the courage to go
another week before the numb agony would come back...
Yes.. it is not whining now to remember this. I cannot believe it was so
tough though.. and so LONELY.
Thanks for the memories....
*****
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:51:14
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Evan's inquiry
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SchrLLATnospamaol.com (Linda) wrote:
>None of these remarks would have stopped me and in fact didn't. I am a
>warrior. I think Evan must already know something or he would not have gotten
>this far.
>We are here to be supportive, not frighten. Give Evan what he asks for. If he
>is ready, he will understand. If not, he will go on his way. Linda ATnospam->->--
amckeon responds:
Ouch! Dial it down there, Linda. I have no ego-involvement in *stopping*
anyone from doing anything they want with their own minds and bodies, only
in trying to educate them (in my own poor fashion) as to what it is they
may be choosing. I was *not* the one who suggested the tabasco sauce thing.
If remarks such as these did not stop you, that was your decision to freely
make. You have chosen to be a warrior. Please elaborate on what that is
like for you. Evan needs to know what it is he may be choosing. He may not
identify with warriorhood.
My intention *was* to be supportive. I apologize for unforseen negative
results. Hence my caveat that I was not trying to offend him (or anyone
else) or to suggest immaturity on his part. (I live in a glass house, so
try scrupulously to avoid throwing stones!) I did not *intend* to add to
anyone's fear. I only felt the need to caution.
I wish someone would have tried to caution me when I started searching for
answers to questions K. has few answers for. You may have wished someone
would have put you on the path *sooner*. So you and I have something in
common here, Linda. We are both projecting ourselves onto another person
whom neither of us know too well.
Perhaps we both made incorrect assumptions. I am more than willing to
consider the possiblity that I certainly did.
There was once a point in my life that thought I was "ready" (Whatever that
means. How many of us were truly ready for this... Anyone?). I was wrong. I
did *not* understand, and no one gave me a clue. I had to stumble my way
through it. It is only now, *many* years later, that I am putting a few of
the pieces together. If someone else wants to give Evan what he asks for,
that will be their decision and their responsibility, and their (vastly
greater than my own) expertise. I can only give my own opinion, woefully
imperfect and highly personal as it certainly is.
Your opinion is also important. Thank you for voicing it. Now Evan has a
few different perspectives to choose from. This is a *good* thing.
sincerely,
amckeon
(still howling... ducking and weaving and covering head...
and considering permanent lurkdom very soon)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:52:22
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dear Evan: Kundalini Virus update
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Mystress Angelique Serpent hissed:
> Dear Evan:
>
> Here is the latest breaking news on the Kundalini virus.
>
> It turns out that this so-called Kundalini Awakening
>virus is very dangerous after all. It will manifest your
>ego- fears, just so you can get over them.
>
> Kundalini will re-write your hard drive. Not only that,
>it will scramble any disks that are even close to your computer.
> It will recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting
>so all your ice cream goes melty.
<snip-a-dee-doh!-dah>
amckeon squeals:
ROFLMAO
I will keep this poem and refer back to it often. I take life WAY too
seriously most of the time, and not seriously enough at the same time...
Evan, you have the definitive answer to your question, for real! (or not)
just chasing my own tail,
amckeon
(gee, that was a short lurk)
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especially brave little band that hid its nakedness of heart and mind under
the out-of-date garment of a sense of humor." --Dorothy Parker
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:52:51
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Grounding: tingles, buzzes, etc.
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shane wrote:
<snip>
>
>My worse k-accident phenomenon of LONG ago occured during a summer drought.
> When I learned this stuff about the earth & static electricity fields, I
>laughed hysterically remembering HOW many miles I'd traversed in bare feet
>on bare mother earth trying to ground all that energy !!
>And I assure you, that try as I might, I did NOT ground any energy this way
>that summer. Indeed, my initial problems became very worse, but now we all
>know why.
>
amckeon responds:
I prefer to grind my own energy as well. The brew is always fresher and
smells and tastes much better than way.
Cheers!
amckeon
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:52:36
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions, questions...
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Bliss wrote:
<snip>
>Just last night we were talking again about this, and he was voicing his
>fears again. As I said, he is not k-active, but has been the recipient
>of my energies whilst making love, a number of times, and these
>experiences have been so odd for him... I have tried to 'show' him the
>beauty of the energy... to have him join with me... but each time he
>made me stop, describing the experience as one which he feels is
>undoubtedly and instinctively 'bad' and 'evil'. He feels I am trying to
>take him to 'hell', I think.
>
I hope you never buy into thinking of this "energy" or yourself as bad or
evil. Whatever you do is between consenting adults, so where he is getting
the idea that it is evil is beyond me. Is he Catholic or something?
>Do you think it is possible that, to create a perfect union, the
>polarity/duality thing could manifest itself in such a divisive way..?
>What I mean is, one person feels all of the good, therefore the other
>must feel an equal amount of 'bad' until a state of '1' is acheived?
Anything is possible. But I can share with you about my own personal
experience. My husband and I do not discuss "kundalini," but he used to
belong to a pentecostal church and has experienced a similiar "energy." We
are very compatible sexually. He does not think I am evil. He thinks I am
delightful. But then, he doesn't feel a lot of guilt about sex. We are
married and monogomous, after all, and well over 18, so what's to feel bad
about? I did have an ex-boyfriend, however, a former Catholic, who just
could not get over the sex and guilt thing. Why did he quarrel with
ecstacy? I did get the impression that he bought into the "at least one of
us has to be a bad person" thing. His loss. Funny thing, years after we
split up and I had just moved in with the man who is now my husband, the
old boyfriend wanted me back. Go figure.
>
>My boyfriend raises questions with me all of the time such as:
>What is the point of this k-energy... so it's there, so what?
>What if it's a really dark force which is so insidious that it makes you
>feel that it's a good force, and that you're doing the right thing? (a
>great one for mincing your mind up).
This possibility does exist, I guess. However, I don't think it is helpful
for him to needle you about it. What is it you are "doing" anyway, that
this is such a problem? Reading an email list? It's not like you are eating
small children for breakfast. Perhaps he would dislike any hobby you had
that he was not involved in. Is he like this with anything else? In other
words, is he just being a control freak?
>How many of these people on the net have taken lots of drugs in the
>past? (as I have)
Well... Let me put it this way. I was a teenager in the 60's.
>What if your drug-taking has set up your current spiritual experiences
>and reactions, and even though you are not taking drugs now, your body
>is locked into this way of experiencing spiritual matters, even though
>it could be the 'wrong' way?
>
Again, this possibility does exist, sorry for being so undogmatic. Only you
can judge for yourself as to how this is affecting your life. If you treat
the people around you with kindness and respect, there is something good
going on in your spiritual life even if you have not yet grasped "ultimate
truth." And this is not the only way I personally have experienced
spiritual matters. There is another kind of energy that seems different to
me from K. energy. I don't have the words... it is a calmer, quieter
power, I guess. On the other hand, it could be the same power, just moving
through different "chakras." I am pretty ignorant on a lot of this
terminology though, so take me with many grains of salt.
>I try to answer for myself as best as I possibly can, without tying
>myself into too many knots... I wonder what other people's answers
>are..?
>
I just try to take it one day at a time. When I first experienced K. I was
overwhelmed by worries about good and evil. In the end, I realized that
although I may have "weird" thoughts and experiences, as long as I wasn't
making other people suffer unduly because of them, I was not an evil
person. There is a line in the bible: "by their fruits ye shall know them."
Don't we all know people who slavishly attend a traditional church every
sunday but are the most vicious gossips and selfish sowers of discontent on
the planet? There are others who call themselves "agnostic" who treat
people with nothing but compassion and kindess. Which group would you
rather hang out with?
>I am feeling pretty calm and confident in my own spirituality again
>right now, and I leave my boyfriend's spiritual experiences for him to
>instigate, but our discussions continue, and he worries for my 'mental
>health'. I worry for his 'spiritual health'.
>
Discussions are good, unless they deteriorate into brow beating. Maybe you
could try "agreeing to disagree" for a while and see what happens.
Good Luck!
amckeon
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:50:29
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Path of Depression
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To TG ---- Thank you for your sharing about what you call your "Dark
Night of the Soul."
I have given quite some thought to this general subject, because of a
realization thrust upon me in the immediate aftermath of my full
K-Awakening. (You see, there were many such "revelations" or
"insights"). (This is only ONE, and was no more and no less important
to me than innumerable others.) (I ahem, -- if I may be a tad
humourous, ----- didn't give much "thought" to any of them as they came
about.)
My heart goes out to those who are sufferring.
In reference to my own (years of) (severe) depression, for me I realized
that PHYSIOLOGICALLY the severe pain I had lived most of my entire life
was the primary reason that my own k-awakening was of such a magnitude.
(I seriously submit that it didn't happen because I am a really
"spiritual" person.) : )
The sheer SAT-CHIT-ANANDA that coursed through my entire being at all
levels for months upon months upon months could not have been possible
for ME, (this person, this body-mind) had I not been beforehand
physically transmuted as it were --- at the molecular/atomic level of my
very cells. This is only what happened to me AND !!!!!!!!!!!!! ---
.....
.....
....
I do NOT want anyone to interpret that what I have said above means that
I believe that depression or sadness are "good", nor that they are
needed for a mindboggling k-awakening.
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:53:14
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego/ego
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In a message dated 97-09-26 20:00:35 EDT, you write:
<<
>I am intrigued by your statements about ego. Since I cannot function
without
>my ego in everyday types of situations, I use my ego, my individual
>consciousness to do so. When I sleep, my ego consciousness receeds into the
>background and also when I meditate and especially when I go into the
bliss.
>To me this is integration of the ego.
>Your statement that ego "probably shuts the windows and doors to
>spirituality" makes me think that ego definition in the east and in the
west
>may not be the same. I would appreciate your comments. Linda ATnospam->->--
Dear Linda,
I believe you are right.
Ego and consciousness are nearly synonymous.
Ego propells us through life.
Ego is the manifestation of Spirit within each of us.
And yet, we consider egocentricity to be a spiritual block.
Could there be a difference between ego and Ego?
May you live in Peace, Love, and Joy,
Ken
>>
Thank you for your comment, Ken. It appears there are a lot of people
throwing these ego ideas around like they know what it all means. I have
experienced bliss and seen the Light and yet no voice from heaven or God or
anything else has told me the absolute truth of these things. In a spirit of
true inquiry I will persist in my search for the true Light of truth. Linda
ATnospam->->--
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