1997/09/28 14:19
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #471
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 471
Today's Topics:
Re: Dearest Evan
Re: Evan, K practice
Introduction
Re: Questions, questions...
The Boyfriend
Off subject
Re: ways of the heart
Re: Pentecostal Kundalini
Re: Kundalini virtual conferences (dream or reality?)
Re: Questions, questions...
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:32:47
From: Nancy Eckert <watrfallATnospamniagara.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dearest Evan
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Hiya all,
I was going through all of these replies to Evan and thought that I had
missed his
original post. But I guess the post below is what everyone was getting upset
about..
My goodness... I think he had a reasonable question... yoga, tantra(there's
a real
waker upper :) ... even my sister the other day was telling me that she was
doing
some exercises (for women's problems) that would equate to a root lock. ...
and
she was telling me about the unusual experiences that she has been having ever
since. I told her about k energy and the energy associated with the first 2
chakras... I think she has stirred something up. We'll see how it goes for
her...
K energy is an experience that is a planned experience for anyone who goes
through
it. Be it a pre birth arrangement or a concious decision. Everything
happens to us
for a reason and by our choice.
The first thing that k burned out of me was fear of it. It sounds like many
are
still suffering from the fear associated with the k changes. I see it like any
really difficult thing that happens in a person's life. People may ask you,
'How
did you ever survive through all of that? I could never have.' But it's much
different 'being' in the situation than looking on at it from the outside.
While
you are in it... as one person here wrote (but I'm sorry I can't remember
who:(
...'if you're given lemons... make lemonade.' I love it! :)
Nancy Eckert
WaterFall in spirit
> >Evan James Rooney (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello
> >> I recently came across kundalini in my search of esoteric subjects
and it
> >> caught my intrest so I immediatly signed up. Since I'm new to this could
> >> someone post excersizes to bring about the experience
> >>
> >> Greatly appreciated
> >> Evan
>
> Yes Evan, you are greatly appreciated. (Freudian comma slip) Your question
> has been a Rorschach test for us on the K list and I for one have seen my
> self in every ink blot that got sent your way in response.
>
> Thanks for all the (pretty) pictures, folks.
> And Evan, thanks for provoking them.
>
> M
>
> PS Evan, please don't overlook the caution, curves ahead, sign that was
> prominent in every single picture. It was the ink in every blot.
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:30:45
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Evan, K practice
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This post was returned as undeliverable, so let's try it again.
>Dear Evan,
>
>You've read other's comments about the awakening of K., so, like teeegeee,
>I will also put in a few words on the subject.
>
>I had a spontaneous awakening, meaning - I didn't know what was going on. I
>had never heard of Kundalini, was not into meditation, had no Guru, used no
>drugs, it just happened. For quite awhile I had not a clue as to what was
>transpiring. So please allow me to a few moments of your time, to add a few
>comments of my own, things that happened to me.
>
>You have no idea of the torment, anguish, and anger that kundalini arousal
>puts one through. When the coil unwinds and the serpent action begins, your
>life changes forever. Beginning with dreams of snakes, birds and
>frightening underground places, feeling complete overwhelming fear, and you
>don't know why. I have felt the electric bolt up the spine, seen rainbow
>colored geometric shapes forming before my eyes. My libido drove me up the
>wall, and every time I closed my eyes a million flashbulbs would go off
>inside my head. There was pain in the body that kept me from food, water
>or sleep, and when I quenched my thirst, I would vomit. You stand by
>helplessly while tiny bubbles begin to invade your body, starting at the
>feet and working their way up, the nerve endings begin to twitch, muscle
>spasms occur, wave-like motion throughout the body, stabs in the heart, and
>then the heat begins. Your back is on fire, you lie awake night after night
>drenched in sweat. And then you hear a toilet being flushed in your head,
>birds chirp at night, your ears ring, and when you think it is all quiet,
>something else begins. Pictures appear before your eyes, like the passing
>parade, you can't stop the pictures from coming, and you don't know what it
>all means. To put your hand on someone's shoulder and see their bones and
>hear the clicks as they walk. There's a 'tickertape' going on in the brain,
>you see mathematical equations that have no meaning to you, and then you
>glimpse past lives. A picture here and there, a person in another time
>era... and that's the nice part. There are horrific headaches that circle
>the head, pressure along the temples, eyes that itch, pressure between the
>eyes and the list goes on. When the Goddess comes to reside in your body,
>she makes an entrance that is not to be forgotten, a dance that goes on for
>years and years. SHE doesn't let you forget she is still there. You think
>that body you chose to reside within, the body you have nourished, groomed
>and admired is yours? No way my friend, it belongs to her to do with as she
>wants. All you can do is sit back and try to enjoy the dance.
>
>So... if you still chose to awaken the serpent within, please be my guest.
>Your life is just that, your life! No one can tell you what to or not to do
>with your body. You have free will, and if you still wish to join us, that
>is your choice. Be prepared to have some wild rides, journey into unknown
>spaces, discover parts of your body you have never known, to cast aside all
>you ever thought you knew about life, love and the rest of humanity.
>Everything changes, nothing will ever be the same, you will not be the same
>either. Welcome Evan, every soul on the spiritual pathway is met with open
>arms. Love dor
>
>
>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:31:02
From: "James Walters" <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Introduction
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Hello,
After lurking for such a long time on this list I thought I'd
introduce myself. I'm James, 34, married with two two children.
My interest with Kundalini began when I was searching to
understand my experiences. I found my first reference to it
in one of Mantak Chia's books, "Awaken Healing Energy
Through the Tao", and since have done a great deal of reading on
the general subject area as well as lurked on this list :).
I'm a martial artist, and it was my martial practice that catapulted
me into this strange world. My experience began with abnormally
hot anger and just an incredible increase in my libido. It's
continued with just a large list of symptoms over about the last
4 years that I'll list here. The list is pretty much goes from the
earliest symptoms to the latest ones.
*hot anger
*hellacious libido
*strange pulsating and throbing of muscles
*extreme fatigue (at times), or extreme energy and insomnia
*extreme increase in swiftness, agility, timing and physical power
*extreme desire to destroy
*changes in digestion and elimination; sometimes on the pot 5 times
in a day :(.
*aversion to certain foods, especially things like
hamburgers, sausage, pork, etc.
*able to pick up other's emotions and intentions
*aversion to being around large groups of people (too much input)
*actually feel the muscles in the back tensing as the energy climbed
up the back during meditation
*occasional lights during meditation
*occasional "stars" in my field of vision during the day
*heat to the point of being painfull in the body, ears, hands, etc.
*my wife would complain my hands were too hot, that I was like
an open oven door, or that my arms were as heavy as logs
*a sound like a roaring vacuum cleaner and something swirling around
in my head as I lay in bed
*lucid dreaming
*rarely sick
*A new appreciation of things, like the passion in music
*The ability to effect others, usually not on purpose :(
*ability to do a general diagnosis of a persons general state
of health and emotions just by looking at them
*the ability to do some limited healing
*ability to circulate energy through my own body by
using my will
*ability to run energy through others
Many of the people I used to consider friends are no longer friends,
and those who before I wouldn't consider to be friends are now my
best friends.
I'm finally getting to the point (after 4 years) where I have a fair
measure of control over what happens. It turns out that
Tai Chi and meditation are my best tools for cooling the fire.
But for a while I was on the roller coaster from hell. It was as if I
wanted to scream constantly, and nobody around me understood
what was happening to me. As some of the other posts have said,
I wouldn't want anyone to follow the same path as me.
James
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:28:56
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions, questions...
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Hello Bliss,
It's not an easy path you are going trough, I think it's easier when the
K-experience first start in the male in a couple, than on the female..
from my experience. Some men are very reluctant in feeling the feminine
part in their sexuality and spirituality.
For your boy friend I can recommend a book, "The multi Orgasmic Man" by
Mantak Chia and Douglas Abrams Arara. This books approach sexuality in
the taoist way, and shows the inside path, sexual energy takes in the
body Making the sexual experience a spiritual one. In sexual kung fu,
they don't have this problem of good and evil, that we have developed in
occidental sexuality, for they use the concept of yin and yang energies.
We have both of then in us. This is a simple book, but maybe it has
enough in it to start opening is mental to is feminine side in him.
Courage Bliss
Antoine
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Bliss (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> Hi...
>
> I'm back here again, after a few weeks of building myself back up...
>
> The reason I am writing today is because this whole subject still
> causes
> immense friction in my relationship with my boyfriend, who is not
> k-active, but who is a very spiritually quizzical yet cynical young
> man.
>
> Recently he got so scared of this whole thing and my affinity with it,
>
> and you all, that he demanded that I unsubscribe from the list... I
> love
> him dearly... I did so.
>
> Just last night we were talking again about this, and he was voicing
> his
> fears again. As I said, he is not k-active, but has been the recipient
>
> of my energies whilst making love, a number of times, and these
> experiences have been so odd for him... I have tried to 'show' him the
>
> beauty of the energy... to have him join with me... but each time he
> made me stop, describing the experience as one which he feels is
> undoubtedly and instinctively 'bad' and 'evil'. He feels I am trying
> to
> take him to 'hell', I think.
>
> I don't understand how something which feels so pure, good, beautiful,
>
> necessary, vital and absolutely 'right' for me can be so much the
> reverse for him. I have tried reasoning that he mustn't be ready, must
>
> be too afraid etc, which causes him to reject the 'goodness', but he
> says that it's not that, he really wants to learn to see 'the way',
> but
> this 'way' just 'feels very very bad and evil.'
>
> Of course this makes me question everything myself (which caused me to
>
> lose my head a little for a short while), but I can't explain it. One
> possible explanation which I keep coming back to is this:
>
> Do you think it is possible that, to create a perfect union, the
> polarity/duality thing could manifest itself in such a divisive way..?
>
> What I mean is, one person feels all of the good, therefore the other
> must feel an equal amount of 'bad' until a state of '1' is acheived?
>
> My boyfriend raises questions with me all of the time such as:
> What is the point of this k-energy... so it's there, so what?
> What if it's a really dark force which is so insidious that it makes
> you
> feel that it's a good force, and that you're doing the right thing? (a
>
> great one for mincing your mind up).
> How many of these people on the net have taken lots of drugs in the
> past? (as I have)
> What if your drug-taking has set up your current spiritual experiences
>
> and reactions, and even though you are not taking drugs now, your body
>
> is locked into this way of experiencing spiritual matters, even though
>
> it could be the 'wrong' way?
>
> I try to answer for myself as best as I possibly can, without tying
> myself into too many knots... I wonder what other people's answers
> are..?
>
> I am feeling pretty calm and confident in my own spirituality again
> right now, and I leave my boyfriend's spiritual experiences for him to
>
> instigate, but our discussions continue, and he worries for my 'mental
>
> health'. I worry for his 'spiritual health'.
>
> Any comments, anyone?
>
> Love, Bliss x
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:19:01 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Boyfriend
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Hi Bliss:
Hi dear girl: You write>>
I am feeling pretty calm and confident in my own spirituality again
right now, and I leave my boyfriend's spiritual experiences for him to
instigate, but our discussions continue, and he worries for my 'mental
health'. I worry for his 'spiritual health'
.>>>
Stop worrying about him.. just worry about your own "health" in the same
bed with him.
>From everything you have said it is not difficult to see that he is not
your mate for this period of your life and you could be a whole lot
better
off separated from him. He is what is called "bad company" for you.. and
this could lead to your losing light. The "evil" he sees is
his own darkness which you state he is not willing to face... why are you
with him? Why would you with such a gift of joy and love, throw it into a
dark pit?
I sometimes wonder about womanhood.. why we create
ourselves always as victims to men... it is almost a cosmic curse. Without
sharing this experience of joy and love, without being cosmically and
soul-level tuned to each other what is there in sex but emptiness? How
can you continue to have intimacy without joining at the highest levels?
Animals can have sex...it is procreative. But sex for humans can be the
most transcendent of gifts...why miss this golden experience you could
have with an enlightened being for this? Sorry... I just feel sick about
your lovely gift and nature being caught up with such a dark space. I RUN
from skeptics.. their hearts are locked shut and they have knives that
stick into anyone and anything. They are the most wounded and fearful of
people.. and I will steer clear of them....for they cannot even glimpse at
love...
Run girl, run like a scared rabbit... he is stealing your light.
Ruth
******
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:43:02
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Off subject
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Hi K people,
After reading some information from Earth Changes Reports by Gordon Michael
Scallion, I thought that it may be useful to others on the list as well.
"Drinking four 12-oz glasses of solar charged spring water with lemon juice
each day will modify the pH of the body and aids the nervous system
greatly. It also chelates the body, removing toxins and helping it to
purify. The way to do this is to place a gallon of spring water in the
morning sun between 9 and 10 a.m. The receptacle should be glass, indigo in
color; if that's not possible, the sunlight should come through a blue
filter. After charging the water, keep it refrigerated. Prepare this water
every day, and squeeze a lemon wedge into each glass you drink. Don't put
the wedge in the water, just the juice. The peel has a different vibration
that is not beneficial to this process."
Sounds like a good idea...
love, light, and blessings dor
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:26:02 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ways of the heart
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> >Valarie:
> >
v: so - you are saying that the planetary energies are transmuting to
> assist graduation from the solar plexus chakra to the heart chakra?
gloria: Yes, it is the next step in evolution, which is to get to the
point to activate kundalini. Kundalini is the individual power source
for really taking one into deeper spiritual realities provided one is
prepared. When it comes on through unnatural means it can be very hard
on the individual but even then if it is allowed to work through
impersonality it will find its way to the crown. The heart is the
grounding center for spiritual awareness to manifest, and remember you
are working at this from a life focus for lifetimes, that only gets more
centered on knowing.
v: is it as simple as one's true motives & where consciousness is
> directed; either towards *self* or outwards to *others*, & always
> seeking God of the heart & *truth*? it is enough to love God alone, &
> service & love for others will be the predictable result?
> so - if one simply loves God, the heart will open to others sooner or
> later?
Gloria:
This is karma/bhakti yoga it will get you there eventually, I teach in
the beginning Bhakti yoga which is the focus on devotion and love, this
is a gentle way of getting heart centered. Once an individual has a
great deal of humility, knows that he/she can't get there on their own,
then they are really ready to move into the heart center. Humility takes
you into the space of 'thy will and not mine' this is the key really
that speeds up the awakening process for going into higher centers. This
of course is tested, but when you really begin to pray for God's Will to
be known with all of your heart, it manifests. Then your love of God
takes form in the sense that you have the fruit...humility, joy, extreme
love that releases at time in a flood of tears, and the kundalini
releases with intense light, electricity, peace, acceptance etc..
Once the person has this experience then I change the focus from Bhakti
to Laya which uses sound and some other exercises to increase the flow
of kundalini. I am in the process of putting some of this down in my
homepage for those who are interested and I'm going to do an intense
training over the net as a retreat. It isn't there quite yet, but within
the week it will be. Since January of this year I've been having visions
of how to work through the net and out of body to help those individuals
that spirit brings to me.
> v: i notice even marketting strategies are changing; cheesily enough.
> from the yoga teacher endorsing 'Tic-Tac Breath Mints' to Enya being
> used to sell cars, it has become most *fashionable* suddenly to look
> within for answers.
Gloria:
It depends upon where people are in the mass conconsciousness for the
media etc. once the mass moves to looking toward God then we'll see a
quick shift in awareness, however right now it is individually
energized.
This is something you can't force on anyone, it just has to be there
naturally. My two daughters are 32 and 31, they have been around
spiritual energies all of their lives, right now they are very much into
material things and achievement, but one says to me the young one.. mom
I know this is going to be taken away, so while I can I am going to go
for it. She makes big money and is focused on helping others because she
has consciousness, it is right for her because she needs to have this
experience. And, often times when the entire focus goes into divine will
that connection to money is taken away, at least for the time being
until the work is accomplished spiritually. Then those with pure hearts
can have it or not have it.
>
> v: i - for one have been pretty much just 'going with the flow' ever
> since the 102 stitch concussion on the right side of head - age 16. it
> is only with a daughter growing up i feel the need to question values, &
> whether i am doing enough & fast enough. it seems God prefers me as a
> traumatized artist begging for mercy from the Deities. nothing about
> this situation seems to change (yet).
Gloria:
You picked this for a reason, I sense it was to change your focus for a
life and to really get you aware of moving through that inner struggle.
Struggle is there for a reason, it molds us into who we are. And when
you really surrender and accept where you are in this very moment, then
a lot of that can be relieved. God isn't doing it to you, you are doing
it to yourself. Then you simply get up, the doors open and you move
through them. That simple. Your daughter needed to be with you just as
you needed her, there is also a reason that she is having the
experience, on the bigscreen remember, which is your total existence in
terms of the illusion called time, this is like a minute, but it is
manifesting like a lifetime. So it is intense, but it is illusion.
Beyond the time tunnel you are totally free, here you are restricted by
your thoughts, beliefs, desires, fears, etc. Meditation helps you to
release those thoughts and emotions so that your mind is clearer. The
still mind is divine, the active/out of control mind is hell. It sounds
like you had some help with your accidents in this, but remember
whatever came of those accidents are also illusion, it can lift through
divine will as easily as it came on.
I believe accidents for those who have a spiritual view are
incident/accidents that means they are placed specifically for purpose.
It doesn't have to criple you. The hip pain can be relieved in one
second by having the energy free flowing in the brain. It is as easy as
taking the energy to the point in the brain where it is registered,
walla, gone. But, see this comes from moving with kundalini, learning by
doing, being in that inner space, being taught by divine will, reaching
out and reaching in. God loves us and lives through us. Gloria
>
>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:43:31 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "David Hodges (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pentecostal Kundalini
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David Hodges (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> About 15 years ago I was a member of a Protestant church that experienced a
> charismatic revival. The Charismatic movement in the Protestant and
> Catholic churches was (is?) based on the same thing as Pentacostalism:
> Baptism in the Holy Spirit leading to Speaking in Tongues, Gifts of
> Prophecy, Healing, etc.
> I would agree with you that we didn't understand what we were experiencing.
Gloria in repsonce to Gordon and David:
This is true, and what you describe is very accurate, but people even
in the not knowing what was happening were experiencing and opening up
to kundalini. Life is the teacher, and when this experience came to you
from outside, it also took you inside. The preacher no doubt doesn't
understand what the outcome of this is, it is just understood that the
Holy Spirit is working ...which it is. But, the deep inner understanding
hasn't come through. Now you see it was a step, and what it released
inside of you was awareness which made your spiritual walk ever more
powerful. Everything is used and has purpose.
Kundalini is the interior prana, divine energy, Holy Spirit drops down
while kundalini is coming up. That likely started the activity and you
were in your natural place of belief or religious experience and now,
everything is expanding. Kundalini and Holy Spirit energies work
together to bring you into Enlightenment. God Bless Both of You on your
path. Gloria
>
>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:57:21 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "indra (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini virtual conferences (dream or reality?)
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indra
> >
> > I like the idea Nancy, very much... I have been nourishing it for a
> > while.
> >
> > anyone know about palace chat program?
> > You can get the unlimited time offer for guest at:
> > http://www.thepalace.com/
> >HI, I've tried this a couple of time and it won'go through, I will try again. Gloria
> >
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:53:46 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Bliss (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <readyATnospamdircon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions, questions...
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Bliss (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
Just last night we were talking again about this, and he was voicing
his
> fears again. As I said, he is not k-active, but has been the recipient
> of my energies whilst making love, a number of times, and these
> experiences have been so odd for him... I have tried to 'show' him the
> beauty of the energy... to have him join with me... but each time he
> made me stop, describing the experience as one which he feels is
> undoubtedly and instinctively 'bad' and 'evil'. He feels I am trying to
> take him to 'hell', I think.
>
What is the point of this k-energy... so it's there, so what?
> What if it's a really dark force which is so insidious that it makes you
> feel that it's a good force, and that you're doing the right thing? (a
> great one for mincing your mind up).
> How many of these people on the net have taken lots of drugs in the
> past? (as I have)
> What if your drug-taking has set up your current spiritual experiences
> and reactions, and even though you are not taking drugs now, your body
> is locked into this way of experiencing spiritual matters, even though
> it could be the 'wrong' way?
>
>
Hi Bliss,
It seems that you are being tested doesn't it? Actually you can
understand his viewpoint, something he doesn't understand has come in
that is effecting who he is. And, he is afraid of losing you, that isn't
unusual in the least. Many experience it with a mate, or friend,
whatever. It is you getting to know inside what it is so that you can
relieve his fears and through detachment not try to change him. I know,
he is trying to change you, and you will go along with it as long as it
is necessary, but if you are in real kundalini activity there is nothing
you or he can do to stop it.
The question for you is just why is it coming in, what is your
relationship with him, and can you be who you are with him...if you let
him know that this list isn't giving you the kundalini activity it is
there all by itself, this list is only helping you to understand how to
deal with it.
Also take him into my homepage at http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
just to see if it relieves some of his fears. Gloria
My page is very spiritual and not so much focused on kundalini as on
God. See if that helps.
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