1997/09/27 16:59
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #466
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 466
Today's Topics:
For Evan
Re: Paradox
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Re: For Evan
Asking about k-sex list
Good, Bad and Death
Re: Asking about k-sex list
Z: Crohn's Disease
Re: Blue Visions
Re: the color "blue"
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K. in a manual anyone?
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:17:19 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: For Evan
Message-Id: <199709271726.NAA06922ATnospamhoboken>
Dear Evan,
I'm afraid that you've received a rather scorching response to your post to
the kundalini list. I'm very sorry for that, but the intentions of the
letter writers were not to make you feel rejected, but instead to warn you.
It has been my experience that the k list is comprised of a warm
supportive group. I truly don't know what I would have done without them.
I'm writing this to you because K rose in me very recently. Unlike the
others who wrote to you, my initial experiences are still very new, so
perhaps I can offer you a slightly different perspective.
My full-blown K experience began in June---although in retrospect I can see
that it had probably been coming on in a very mild form for a long time.
My "awakening" was spontaneous...and although I was aware that many people
seek this experience out, my immediate question was "Why? Why would anyone
choose to bring this upon themselves?" And yet....
I'm going to send you a section of my k diary. One that was written about
a month ago. Only a month...yet it seems like years:
------------------
Kundalini energy has been moving in me for eight weeks now.
This has been the most profound period of my life. I have been through
hell, been granted bliss, had my life-long beliefs and ideas turned upside
down, and had my libido activated to almost unbelievable heights. I have
laughed, cried, grieved. I find now that I accept, or at least do not
reject out of hand, all sorts of things that I could not have accepted two
months ago. I have seen runes writ in lichen on a limestone wall, and seen
them come to life and tell me what they meant. I have had reams of
channeled material roll out of my head and onto paper. I have known love,
loss, rejection, acceptance, grief, sorrow, and unbelievable bliss. I have
had pain, severe backaches, headaches, a small k burn on my hand, burning
along my spine and through my feet, itching, spinal tingles, crown chakra
tingles, and so on. From all this there is one thing---amazingly---that I
take from this experience: my gratitude, my profound and everlasting
gratitude to spirit, Goddess, God for this experience.
--------------------
Evan, I learned very quickly to ride the wave of this thing. Once begun it
has a will of its own. You either ride the wave in complete
submission...or you are crushed.... And I mean this. I have a friend who
had a k awakening ten years ago. She did not know what it was. Among
other things, she began to predict to her sister and husband the stories
that would be broadcast on the 11 o'clock news with total accuracy.
Alarmed, they took her to a psychiatrist. These sorts of things were
totally outside the reality tunnel of this doctor. He ignored the truth of
what she was saying and instead insisted that she was delusional and
labeled her psychotic. To make a long sad story short, he put her in a
mental hospital and medicated her to the extent that the k energy was
somehow reversed. This led to a tempory paralysis in her legs. This
treatment aborted the rising k, and led to extreme fear. Today she still
bears the trauma of this experience.
If you intend to pursue this quest, be very very sure that you are ready.
K stood me on my head and shook me hard. When it did, a lifetime of
preconceived notions and beliefs rolled out onto the floor. There is no
way to retrieve them...nor, at this point, would I want to. But, I believe
that these experiences should come in their own time and in their own way.
To invite them if you are unprepared could well bring disaster.
Sharon
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:25:03
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Paradox
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In a message dated 97-09-27 08:33:02 EDT, you write:
<<
The Ox>These are very important questions. Life is paradoxical. When you
let go of all the paths outside of yourself that you have been taught
(while still honoring them), you find a true path inside to the center of
the universe. When you let go of the ethical issues, right and wrong
doctrine, the proper way and the improper, you begin the discovery of
wisdom which does not come from the self: and it is its own compass. And
civilized society is not so civilized, but it will hold together and find
its own life.
Peace and love,
The Ox
>>
To Ox,
In paradox is found the miracle of transformation. When we transfer our
energy
from opposition to paradox, we also find the bridge to healing. The mystical
experience of Union, the intuitive knowing, the blending of power and love
into a dynamic mystical union requires that we acknowledge the divine reality
of our human condition.
......when the fire and the rose become one...........Linda ATnospam->->--
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:26:25
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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> >Gloria here:
> Ah, the good and bad discussion, this one is always tricky isn't it?
> Because it is automatic to think and form an opinion. What happens when
> we are in spiritual training inside we begin to see the bigger picture
> and in so doing we recognize how illusion is working on both sides.
> <snipped>
> Now, did I hit the topic or totally miss it???Gloria
Thank you Gloria. It seemed that the more I said, the more people I was
pissing off. I AM talking about the BIGGER PICTURE. The place, as you have
said, where there are no victims...where everyone is aware of what certain
events will bring out in them. I appreciate your succinctness in addressing
this.
Nancy
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:34:43
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: For Evan
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Sharon Webb wrote:
> .... And I mean this. I have a friend who
> had a k awakening ten years ago. She did not know what it was. Among
>
> other things, she began to predict to her sister and husband the
> stories
> that would be broadcast on the 11 o'clock news with total accuracy.
> Alarmed, they took her to a psychiatrist. These sorts of things were
> totally outside the reality tunnel of this doctor. He ignored the
> truth of
> what she was saying and instead insisted that she was delusional and
> labeled her psychotic. To make a long sad story short, he put her in a
>
> mental hospital and medicated her to the extent that the k energy was
> somehow reversed. This led to a tempory paralysis in her legs. This
> treatment aborted the rising k, and led to extreme fear. Today she
> still
> bears the trauma of this experience.
>
The same thing happened to me when I was 18, (14 years ago), my parents
are psychiatrist, both off them. I did not know then what was happening
to me, it all came so fast... But I was diagnostiqued (diagnostiqué in
french) having had a psychosis and was medicated. It did reverse the
process (for a while...) Having read Descartes Meditation at school, I
build myself a temporary ego to be able act in society, without rely
believing I was that ego. Since then I have been "bouncing", trying to
make my way but always having this call coming back. Kung fu and sports
helped me reopen energy canals, without knowing it after a work out, I
was living the continuation of my kundalini awakening. I would wake up
during the night my bed filled with sweet, with a body temperature very
high, but not feeling sick. It was making it's way. Meditation and
reading, reopened my mind to my inner voice. Finally I needed a knee
operation 9 months ago, and decided to take time off.
Since then, as you said Sharon, one month seems a very long time.
In Peace, Love and Light
Antoine
May your Karma be good to you Evan.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:27:19
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Asking about k-sex list
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>Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:58:52 +0700
>From: Irmansyah Effendi <ieffendiATnospamprima.net.id>
>Reply-To: ieffendiATnospamprima.net.id
>To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
>Subject: Asking about k-sex list
>
>Dear Mystress:
>
>Just asking. I asked to join the k-sex list about 1.5 month ago. I
>already changed my e-mail address. So, I don't know whether it has not
>been decided, or they contacted the wrong e-mail address, or.....they
>rejected me.
>
>With love and light,
>
>Irman
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:31:59
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Good, Bad and Death
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>Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:45:51 -0700
>To: kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
>From:
>Subject: Good, Bad and Death
>
>Please post as anonymous
>
>thank you
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>My physical thought of death the other day.....it looked and saw death and
>it thought submachine guns, martial arts and martial arts weaponry, bombs
>all around and accidents of all types
>
>eventually the torment of knowing, doing and teaching ......
>change, be the coward in others eyes to be left alone, be ordinary
>push away the violence.....it haunted for many years.....the "k" awoke and
>was buried again and reawoke to stay....peace,
>non-violence....ordinary.....not cowardly.....that was a deliberate image
>built up over years....."k" is peace, harmony...."k" is good, but is death
>good or is it bad or is it an indication of just wearing out, like a part
>from a piece of equipment just wears out from continued use? the black bits
>peel off and the wellness grows.....isn't "k" wonderful?
>
>"k" is good "awakening" is good death is good and bad
>
>good for the sufferer and bad for those that feel the loss of someone close
>to them
>good in that it may stop the spread of disease and bad in that someone got
>sick and died
>good in that it is nature's method of population control and bad in that the
>loss ripples through many physicals lives
>good in that there is immortality and death is merely the doorway to another
>life.....bad in that at the time of death others do not perceive it.
>
>Why talk about death? because it is one of the problems the physicals have
>trouble coming to terms with.....it is important for the physicals to learn
>that death should not be feared.....it is a doorway.....just as you open a
>door and go from one room to another closing the door behind you as you go,
>so is death's doorway a way to another realm......from the physical realm to
>the non-physical realm.....it is good.....be happy.....be at peace.....love
>and light to all
>
>Zarcon
>i am of the ages
>
>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:14:24
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: ks-listATnospamnbn.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Asking about k-sex list
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Whoopsie, did it again..
Sorry, Irman..
my address book is,
like
permanently stuck on Kundalini list,
coz I am spending alla my time forwarding posts to the list..
No more no more, after this weekend..
I have asked Excecpc.com to Damn the spam filters, full speed ahead.
The spam it is filtering runs about 2%.. the posts I am forwarding are
running about 60%.
(S. you 2 brEYEnPR0stir ..if yOU aRe tIred of seeIng it,
imagine how tired I am of having to repost everything 6 x a day... )
As for your question,
a lightening bolt struck the KS list recently,
(Kind of like doing the Vulcan Mind Meld with the Tazmanian Devil...ouch!)
(the lightening bolt has unsubscribed. )
and we are putting out a few fires,
rebuilding some structures,
then we will be resuming the new member nomination process,
thus interrupted.
Well, the whole point of such a careful screening process was to avoid
such destructive types.. so we created what we feared, and now need to
re-invent the process over again, with clearer intent.. as soon as we
figure out what clearer intent looks like..
For several folks who applied and have heard nothing..
sorry for our rudeness..
we haven't forgotten you,
If we had rejected you we'd have toldja so..
just straightening out some internal stuff, before adding new crew.
Feel free to write and remind me,
and
I will do my best not to post your comments to the KS list
not the K.list.. sigh.
Back to yer regular programming..
Lists Mystress.
>>Dear Mystress:
>>
>>Just asking. I asked to join the k-sex list about 1.5 month ago. I
>>already changed my e-mail address. So, I don't know whether it has not
>>been decided, or they contacted the wrong e-mail address, or.....they
>>rejected me.
>>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:38:52
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Z: Crohn's Disease
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>Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:19:04 -0700
>To: kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
>From: Z.
>Subject: Crohn's Disease
>
>Please post as anonymous
>
>thank you
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>The following message was forwarded to the Young Man suffering from Crohn's
>Disease. On behalf of the Young Man, i thank you for your help.
>
>
>Regarding the Canadian lady who suffered from a debilitating form of
>Crohn's and has now been cured for a number of years, has had a child, and
>looks wonderful, here is her name & address which she has given me
>permission to pass on, and those who write to her, will get an answer.
>
>Her husband (who has become involved in the form of spiritual healing
>called "linking" since her cure), mentioned to me that in Europe no one is
>ever operated on for Crohn's, UNLESS prior psychological testing and
>treatment has taken place, since it is considered a stress-related disease
>that affects the immune system.
>
>Agnes & Laszlo More
>1101 River Reach Drive
>Apt. 502
>Fort Lauderdale, FL 33315
>USA
>
>
>Love and Light to All
>Zarcon
>i am of the ages
>
>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Blue Visions
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At 06:19 AM 9/27/97 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote:
>Hi Tim:
>Just a note about blue in meditation. I can highly recommend "The Play of
>Consciousness" by Swami Muktananda on this one. He says tht this is a very
>advanced state..precursor to seeing the "blue person" who is the divine
>being that manifested to him and showed him the full nature of God. He
>explains the colors and shapes of visions in meditation very clearly and I
>have never heard or read of any other accounts quite so specific and clear
>as his.
>
May I come live in your library for about one year? Or is it part of the
grand institution (must be grand to have such books) that gives your address
its edu??
Seeing green . . .
Mostly sincerely,
M
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the color "blue"
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At 02:44 AM 9/27/97, shane wrote:
I do not know what the color "blue" means from a"psychic"
>perspective. However, there is a phemonenon called (I think) "the blue
>dot" which is described and explained by Bonnie Greenwell in her book
>about the Kundalini Awakening entitled, "Energies of Transformation." I
>experienced this "blue dot" for maybe a full year after the K-Awakening.
>Greenwell's book describes a number of other people who had this, too. I
>also refer you to Muktananda's autobiography --- I think he calls it
>(something like) the "blue pearl of wisdom. Long ago, back when I was
>heavy into daily meditation, a heavenly (i.e., ""non-earthly" or "divine
>blue "flooded" many of my meditaions.) (Sorry if that doesn't make any
>sense --- words are not my forte.) I recall reading somewhere that this
>"blue-meditation stuff" indicates attaining high levels of consciousness
>---
I see blue all the time and feel like a dummy here and often feel like a
rude person out in the world, so I'd say that theory is pretty questionable...
M
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:50:07
From: shane <Mr.NamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Hello, Tim Pritchard....Last night I remembered that in my similar search
for "What is the meaning of this BLUE light?" that I learned very important
details in a book that is published by SUNY. I believe that the title was,
"Kundalini: Energies from the depths" (might have subtitle, "Serpent
from the depths", not energies.) I remembered this as I was falling asleep
and I had to start laughing --- because when I had read your initial
question I'd forgotten that at one time post K-Awakening I spent many days
of many hours in many libraries trying to learn about this blue light. The
kundalini book published by SUNY is one complicated book. It is an english
translation of an ancient Pali manuscript. I do not have any idea which
precise pages that the blue light is discussed ---- but this one book was
inforative e'nuf for me that I did not have to search any further. (This
is NOT a "mass market" type book, Tim ---- I assume it must be a college
text in some universities. !
!
!
It helped me VERY much in my post-K, but I assure you I would not have
understood one word in that book before my Awakening. I add this little
explanation, just in case if you see this "imposing" work, you wonder WHY I
would have ever suggested it. I, myself, wonder WHY I "forgot" this book,
'cuz it was the only place that actually told me, not only about this blue
light and what it signified --- it also explained alot of other stuff about
my Awakening that I hadn't seen anyplace else.)
Good luck to you.
Namaste.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:50:32
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Dear JP Flarity,
Thank you ever so much for your perceptive reply to Evan. You have
made my universe a brighter place. Indeed, you have changed the course of
my entire life for the rest of this lifetime. When I read the first
paragraph of your letter, I was abit perplexed, "My, what a peculiar
idea!" But I finally understood what you meant even before I
finished all of your wonderful posting.
JP --- I will NEVER be able to go into another restaurant again,
without having a supreme rush of giggling endorphins when I see the
Tabasco Sauce on the table. I will NEVER forget this lifetime your
wonderful contribution to this list. And if I am sitting somewhere in an
american cafe and my dinner companions ask me "What's so funny, why are you
laughing?" I will tell them about modern americanday yoga !!!!
Thank you oh SO much, you who value your time & energy to have had
such a positive, long term impact upon my time & energy.
Namaste.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:52:12
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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This is a two week old post which slipped through the cracks. I seem to be
getting through through the autopost so I thought I'd try again.
Dear k-friends,
I had the strangest dream last night and it involved ALL OF YOU!!! I was
sitting at a conference table with many of my k-list companions
explaining this concept.
I was discussing abundance. For the past year I have been mostly
destitute. No money. No earning capacity. Just enough resources came in
to pay for what I truly needed, food, shelter and utilities (only when
they were going to be shut off!)
Recently, as I mentioned in my last post, I obtained employment. In the
meantime I have started picking up freelance projects. Now the money is
pouring in. From living such a low standard of life for so long I feel
extremely rich! I was telling this story to the people around the
k-table. My point was that abundance was here all along. I just had to
create it.
I told the group that we can create abundance in our lives right now.
(Actually, as I was talking, I realized that create was not the correct
word. It was actually manifested.) All we need do is turn the tallisman
and experience it, call it forth. Someone in the group started arguing
with me about this. How can it be here now if I don't have money, she
demanded. As I was trying to get my explanation out, she continued to
interrupt. Finally, I explained that there really is no future it is all
just is now. Then, I laughed and said it didn't matter anyway how we
looked at it because it isn't real anyway. This made a few people upset.
Angelique was sitting directly across from me and burst out laughing.
Then Lobster gave her an evil eye and was about to confront her.
Isn't this funny??!!! I'm dreaming of people I have never met. To me,
you are all just spirits. Yet, you were so real in my dream.
But it did get me thinking...Does anyone think it would be fun to have a
k conference? It could be at a physical location or virtual. We could
have k-related products and services to browse through. Different
"speakers" could tell personal experiences and share theories. Maybe
kundalini yoga would fit in. It's the idea that came to me as I woke
with a start at 4:30 a.m. following this dream.
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:51:16
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Dear Evan,
Thank you for coming to Kundalini-l Mailing List with your query.
You have maybe determined by this point in reading responses to your post,
that maybe this energy isn't all it's cracked up to be --- at least, I
qualify, in the massmarket books you've been exposed to.
There are admittedly NOT too many people whom I have met
face-to-face on the physical plane who truly have actual activated
kundalini. However, every single one of them has made me promise that
ANYTHING I ever discover that ever actually works to successfully GROUND
these massive energies, that I will share it with them.
I assume on this public mailing list with 1000s of silent lurkers,
that many others out there like me, did NOT seek out the K-Awakening.
Kundalini is quite a "handfull" in many, many ways --- and some of us who
read your post maybe instantaneously reacted, "Now, why would anybody ever
seek this out????" : ) : )
Namaste
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:49:44
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: K. in a manual anyone?
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Ruth Trimble wrote (in response to Evan):
>Dear unaware seeker... you know not what you seek, nor what you ask for.
>This is not an "experience" it is a transformation. This is not some
>"high" that might entrance the mind for a few hours, and then return one
>safely to oneself again. Once the Kundalini sparks from her resting
>place, you are no more. You are erased. You cannot return to your former
>ignorance, nor can you pretend to be "just" a human being any more. You
>must be THAT Kundalini whereever and however she wishes you to manifest.
>Beware... you have no idea. Read some of these pages for a month or two
>before you decide to ask this question again.
To invite K is to invite chaos. Have you ever experimented with LSD? K is
scarier, because it does not "wear off" like the drug does. Once it starts,
you must find your own way back to solid ground. It is very lonely. No one
will be able to help you. You are on your own. Or so it will appear. Prayer
may help, though not in the way you've come to expect. If K descends
unasked for, you at least have your ignorance as some protection. If you
ask for it, you will feel the full responsibility for the consequences, and
it is hard to bear.
>But even if you "decided" to have this experience, it comes by GRACE and
>only by divine gift. You must have been being prepared over many
>lifetimes for it. It is like playing with a volcano to toy with HER if
>you are unprepared... you can end up in a mental hospital, lose your job,
>your family, get very very sick with all kinds of latent diseases... this
>is no regular "experience" my friend...
Ruth knows what she is talking about. Please take this advice seriously. It
is not meant to offend you or to suggest that you are too "immature" to
handle it. (At least I am not suggesting that.) I see the danger that some
may interpret this as some kind of a "dare." If you really want to test
yourself, try vegetarianism, martial arts, yoga, meditation, psychotherapy,
etc. There are other ways to stretch your horizons. Try those first.
>Ask for this only if you are prepared to face all of these
>eventualities... and even then.. it is not your decision but HERS.
This is also true. K takes you by surprise. K has its own timing. You may
seek for it (or not) for years, and it never comes, you go on to other
things, and just when your life seems to be going well, K comes and
shatters everything you have and are. This is especially not good if you
have someone who depends on you to "be there", like young children. Why
would you wish for such a thing? It's like wishing for epilepsy, or for
your house to burn down.
>Next time you look up "esoteric" subjects... pass this one by...
Here I have a slight disagreement. It might be a good idea to read up on
it, become educated about it, so that IF it ever happens to you, you have
some idea of what it is, and it might not be quite so scary. Unless to read
about it is to invite it? If that is a possibility, I stand corrected. In
any case, this is only my opinion as a "not-yet-all-that-enlightened"
survivor of the experience.
humbly submitted,
amckeon
P.S. Please be careful, Evan. I would not wish this experience upon anyone.
K may be seen or interpreted by some on this list as a positive thing, but
it is in the vein of "if life hands you lemons, make lemonade," kind of a
deal (at least for me). Making the best of the weirdness we have to deal
with now. Think of a radio station that plays music you dislike (country
western, opera, polka, whatever), and then never being able to turn the
station or to turn off the radio! This is what having to experience the
negative vibes coming from those around me at work is like. It is not fun,
nor a "high," by any stretch of the imagination.
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