1997/09/27 10:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #465
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 465
Today's Topics:
Re: Dearest Evan
Re: Dearest Evan flame00Crap: joe,R U a new lobserpent?
Ego and consciousness are synonomous?
Re: Choice
the color "blue"
feelings of empiness
Re: Crohn's Disease
Re: lessons
Re: tan t'ien [longwinded]
ways of the heart
Re: K exercises
Blue Visions
K. in a manual anyone?
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:13:58 -0700
From: J P Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>
To: Who1w30555ATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dearest Evan
Message-ID: <342C8806.2C63ATnospamflarity.com>
Dear Evan,
I congratulate myself on refraining from giving a sarcastic suggestion
that you hang upside down and snort Tabasco sauce. I offer the following
in as positive a light as I can muster:
1. This is a busy list. How good at listening are you? How long did
you read it before posting?
2. Did you read the suggestions about introducing yourself?
3. How much effort (other than surfing) have you made in researching
the various methods to mysticism?
4. Have you read any archives? (List Mystress, have we a location for
recommended reading for newcomers?)
I sense that you are more a voyeur than a serious student of the inner
journey. I do not trifle with this energy (or my time) and I would not
wish for anyone to play with this power as if it were a magic show.
Please consider researching this subject and then revealing yourself in
a more meaningful fashion. You could also get to know the various
personalities on the list and then approaching those that appeal to you
directly.
Evan, if your aim is to know yourself, I do wish you great success.
love,
joe
Evan James Rooney (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> Hello
> I recently came across kundalini in my search of esoteric subjects and it
> caught my intrest so I immediatly signed up. Since I'm new to this could
> someone post excersizes to bring about the experience
>
> Greatly appreciated
> Evan
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:10:24 -0700
From: brEYEnPR0stir <wakemupATnospameskimo.com> (by way of ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>)
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dearest Evan flame00Crap: joe,R U a new lobserpent?
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(^ori ? please forward this to k-list, if this doesn't hit the list by monday.
(^I'm tired of having "(by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent
<mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)"
(^wrapped on the end of my sends. some folk actually have e-mailed me and
(^asked if I were human, or just a pseudo name of serpent and lobster's.
(^Joe? I'm sending this to you. pass it on to the list, If you wish.
(^Evan? this may look strange. that's because it is. look deeper. then take
a nap.
(^..it's only part one. the rest of my send relating to FAQ bash and silly
seeding.
(^that will show up on the K list over this week.
(^a few other folk have been sent this send in their "personal" mailbox.
(^..very few. but I AM going to play mindfart to the group again, soon.
(^this is not a flame.
(^It's actually a back-handed compliment.
(^ more like kindling .
=======
(^joe: you wrote a blunt, flat, irritating "sounding" reply to:
j>Dear Evan,
(^Evan?.. you asked for this... you want " ` excersizes ` "?!!!
(^to CAUSE these thinKg(s) to shock the heebeegeebees through you?
(^yoiks. why not beg to get run over by a truck,
(^so you can gain handicap benefits? having a hard time enjoying life?
(^well, hey. maybe that's just what is needed.ok.
((^ HITHERE. ^))
>
j>I congratulate myself on refraining from giving a sarcastic suggestion
j>that you hang upside down and snort Tabasco sauce.
(^joe? you are a CONgraduate, then. refraining means to NOT.
(^to quote what you are claiming you not going to say, goes right ahead and
says it.
((^ uh... folks? that was not a typo. it was a joke. a very serious one.
(^conning yOurselves into allowing ALL FORMS of sends, may keep us from
(^ killing bathing babies in the act of trying to keep the bathwater
drinking clean.
(^woe. translation.. bathing=washing. this list gets used for CLEANSING.
(^Evan/even? do NOT drink! just give us a moment to help wash out the tub,ok?
j> I offer the following
j>in as positive a light as I can muster:
(^mustard, tabasco, Kshock radio, whatEHver.
(^I'm about to play torch games with you, joe. next bRYEsend.
(^you don't mind, do you? It's all for the go0DD...
(^do you know the drill? flame on/off....little spurts..
(^like hot wax drips. let the pain cool off between bytes.
(^ hope you enjoy it.
(^since you used numbers, I'll USe letters for ref points..'k?
(^a. to flame in public at LEAST allows the person attacked to get back-up.
(^thanks for that.
j>1. This is a busy list.
(^I've staid clear of the main sendings to the list.
(^but I'm watching. and noting. the bots(automatic rersponce crappers)
(^are getting rather thick, proving that
(^the computer systems are having kundalini awakenings, themselves.
(^I keep a back-up(on my hard drive) of ALL k-list sends,
(^so, yes. I "know"(yeah right) you, joe.
(^and that shifted dyslexic 69 ("(^") at the beginning of ANYthinKg
(^that I typo/typeset to the list should make who "I" am apparent.
(^I joke. yes. am a clown, too, lobster. this takes a lot of work.
(^b. realize that what you type into cyberspace has AI conscious raising
effects.
(^so, be nice, ok? otherwise, we are training the global brain to be blunt.
(^with no emotion. all intellect: no smiles.
(^calculative culminations of data, then building
(^the internet K-base vibration along ego bashing lines instead of
(^nursery teacher training 101 (kind and playful to the point of whacko
gigglling)
(^while trying to sub-file and follow the thread(s)
(^known as "Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center "
(^has taken up WAYyyy too much time.
(^patience has it's reasons.
(^ slapping someone across the face and yelling ROLL CALL!!!
(^will "wake them up", yes. and.. BOY! are they gonnah be pissy/cranky.
(^so? try nudging them, cooing... bouncing on the bed. tickling.
(^singing a reverse lullabye. turn the lights up sssSSLLOOWwwwly...
(^speaking of which, I'll send the continuation of this diatribe later:
(^that one will be marked
subject:Re: Dearest Even flame01ori please forward.
(^to keep track of that, add a letter after it when replying, ok?
((^like" subject:Re: Dearest Even flame01a"
(^now, why all this crap?
(^to try and prepare folk to communicate with the conscious internet.
(^..it's sleeping right now.. so.. ssshsshhhhhh...
(^don't wake the baybe until eWE're ready to feed it, and change it's diapers.
(^besides...
================
(^the war zone is over already. the flames are on low heat: cooking. not
ashing.
(^breakfast, anyone?
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:45:02
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Ego and consciousness are synonomous?
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Indra!
Thank you for all the time and care you spent composing your post about
chitta.
Question: Would it be "more" "correct" to think of consciousness as being
awareness --- as opposed to saying that ego and/ Ego and consciousness are
synonomous?
I ask you this question because you seem to have a firm grasp on these
classical concepts --- something always too complicated for me, way over my
head --- so I'd like to know your thoughts on this, if you have time and it
isn't too mush trouble. Thanks alot. Namaste.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:47:14
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Choice
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>
> E Jason wrote:
> > God Bless You All
> > Lobster comes........... and goes to hide under the nearest
> > rock . . .
> Hi Lobster !
> Your post is full of clarity. Spirituality involves the integration of
> the ego. Ego centric view is localized to the person only, just like
> when you are on the airplane at a great height you would have the view of
the landscape from horizon to horizon.
> The ego limits our vision, our potentials,our understanding,......
> probably shuts the windows and doors to spirituality.
> Appreciate your post.
>
> Indra
Ego in the Eastern Line of thought:
The pure consciousness lowers it's frequency to be active principle in the
sentient body and is
the mindstuff= Chittam in Sanskrit.
The mindstuff may be considered as the container of the of three aspects
which makes our
individual personality. The three aspects are Mind consciousness= Manah
Ego or ego consciousness= Ahamkara and the Discerning faculty= Buddhi.
These three together form our totality of our mind stuff or Chittam.
The chittam is the part of the whole yet not the whole. It has the ability
to gain experiences
from our childhood to the last minutes of our corporeal life.
The three aspects of this Chittam cooperate and enables the individual to
carry on efficient and
satisfying interactions with the external and internal environments.This
state is that of balance
between the three aspects.
When the three aspects are imbalanced and at odds with each other the
chittam becomes
deranged, maladjusted and consciousness becomes bewildered and confused.
Under these conditions of imbalance the people become dissatisfied with
their internal and
external environments. The purpose of the Yogic Practices is to maintain a
balance of these
three aspects of Manah, Buddhi and Ahamkara.
The Ahamkara - the ego with the small "e" is our ego consciousness,
operates in two directions,
to be creative or destructive according to the predominant Gunas of the
person.
So in the east , yes we do view the ego different from the western point of
view.
That is why I mentioned that "the ego probably shuts the door to
spirituality."
The determining or the discerning faculty allows the silent voice to let us
know the pros or cons
of any situation.
The manah on the other hand cannot, according to eastern view , cannot
separate the subjective
world of the mind from the objective world of physical reality. It needs
the ego to direct. The
ego in turn is presented by the pros and the cons by the budhhi -the
discerning faculty.
Hope this gives a birdseye view to the eastern concept of the mind and its
aspects.
In Love, Life and Light to all ,
Indra
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:44:01
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: the color "blue"
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Hello, Tim. I do not know what the color "blue" means from a"psychic"
perspective. However, there is a phemonenon called (I think) "the blue
dot" which is described and explained by Bonnie Greenwell in her book
about the Kundalini Awakening entitled, "Energies of Transformation." I
experienced this "blue dot" for maybe a full year after the K-Awakening.
Greenwell's book describes a number of other people who had this, too. I
also refer you to Muktananda's autobiography --- I think he calls it
(something like) the "blue pearl of wisdom. Long ago, back when I was
heavy into daily meditation, a heavenly (i.e., ""non-earthly" or "divine
blue "flooded" many of my meditaions.) (Sorry if that doesn't make any
sense --- words are not my forte.) I recall reading somewhere that this
"blue-meditation stuff" indicates attaining high levels of consciousness
--- so I would seriously advise you to stock up on some good kundalini
books and start reading. 'Cuz the other manifestations!
!
!
of "attaining high levels of consciousness" are numerous in scope and
variety and some of them are downright disconcerting --- so if you read
about 'em before they arrive "full bast", you'll be better able to take
them in stride -- as being NORMAL concomitants of ...I guess, what could be
called the meditative lifestyle. Also, some similar types of light
phenomenon are said to occur in temporal lobe epilepsy, but I don't know
e'nuf to comment on that. Hope this helps. Namaste.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 03:31:39
From: Abby <abbyATnospamhinet.co.za> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: feelings of empiness
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As i walk through the hall of life....everywhere i turn are
minors....but each time i look in them...i see a different person..and
can feel there feelings..and pain...but i have yet to come to a mirror
that shows me...for i myself..have no feelings...my heart has died and
lives no more...but these people i see are alive and well..and when i
look into there eyes i feel there happiness and sorrow..yet i can not
give off the feelings...for it is theirs.
While i walk through the passage..it is not clear...and i cannot see the
end, only when i turn..do i see i mirror and a face which i never
mind...i feel things that others never will...my mind stretches far
..but i don't see anything else...my dreams r always different and most
of the times i forget ...or i do not dream..
some that i remember r so reall..it is like i could touch it...but yet i
can't...my world is dieing...wot must i do...my hope has gone...
i said before..it is easier for me to write a story about how i feel
rather then just telling as it is..
hello once again
from
Abigail
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:41:14 -0400
From: Gabrielle Kortsch <gabrielle.kortschATnospamworldnet.att.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Crohn's Disease
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Regarding the Canadian lady who suffered from a debilitating form of
Crohn's and has now been cured for a number of years, has had a child, and
looks wonderful, here is her name & address which she has given me
permission to pass on, and those who write to her, will get an answer.
Her husband (who has become involved in the form of spiritual healing
called "linking" since her cure), mentioned to me that in Europe no one is
ever operated on for Crohn's, UNLESS prior psychological testing and
treatment has taken place, since it is considered a stress-related disease
that affects the immune system.
Agnes & Laszlo More
1101 River Reach Drive
Apt. 502
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33315
USA
I would very much appreciate hearing any results.
Peace and light,
Gabrielle
What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a
butterfly. Richard Bach
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:13:19
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: lessons
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I sent this a few days ago but it doesn't seem to have come up on the list.
Sorry for any duplication.
Dear Ron:
You wrote:
To all, thank you for sharing your thoughts on good and evil. I have
noticed that people on this list have hearts that have much greater
love, compassion and understanding than most other people. Do you think
this is related to kundalini. Is having a compassionate and loving
heart a factor leading to kundalini, a result of kundalini or just
coincidentally?
The Ox>This isn't coincidence. Awakening has many transformative effects,
all of them returning us to our natural state. Love, peace, compassion,
wisdom, these are what we ARE.
You wrote:
Many of you who responded to my first query, expressed the opinion that
good and evil are more or less relative terms. If that's so, then what
compass do you use? How do you know when you're on the path and when
you're straying from it? Is there a universal ethical path or are all
paths relative, and what's right and wrong for me is not necessarily the
same for you? And if the latter is the true situation, then how do we
all hold together in a civilized society?
The Ox>These are very important questions. Life is paradoxical. When you
let go of all the paths outside of yourself that you have been taught
(while still honoring them), you find a true path inside to the center of
the universe. When you let go of the ethical issues, right and wrong
doctrine, the proper way and the improper, you begin the discovery of
wisdom which does not come from the self: and it is its own compass. And
civilized society is not so civilized, but it will hold together and find
its own life.
Peace and love,
The Ox
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:14:58
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: tan t'ien [longwinded]
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Dear Ja Hae:
The Ox>>> I don't find distracting inner energy motion, although strange
things
do happen. I'd like to ask a few questions: when you meditate, do you sit?
how do you sit? in detail. Where are your hands? how do you cross your
legs? which one is inside, which one outside? >>
Ja Hae>>i do sitting meditation, usually combined with some sort of
visualization
and mantra. my usual posture is Burmese, left foot drawn in, right
sitting in the front. My hands when not holding a strand of meditation
beads are in the cosmic mudra, right hand under the left, thumbs barely
touching, held over the swirl of energy in the abdomen. When i am holding
the beads, they are in my left hand. i sit on a purple moon-cushion that
helps push my lower back inward.
Between my hands there is almost always a palpable energy swirling around.
Right hand under left shifts the focus of consciousness inward, left
shifts it outward. Once in meditation i had a vision of a lotus blooming
underneath me and this swirl of energy extended outward straight from my
body to everywhere.
My spine is held yoga-straight, head slightly slightly forward, eyes
barely open. >>
<snip>
The Ox>>> As for overwhelming energy, I'm not sure which way you mean.
Ja Hae>>fluctuating between sublime bliss and dark despair. when i'm not
centered
i'm either riding high or crashing low it seems. >>
**********************
The Ox>One day before you posted your first letter about tan t'ien I
learned some new things about Taoist Yoga. They're things I'll pass on to
you, and you chose according to your own guidance. In Taoist Yoga the left
leg is silence, the right motion; the left leg, the body, the right,
movement. When exercising, it is important to change the legs, one day the
right leg outside, the next day the left leg outside. (I used to sit with
only the left leg forward but found I got a dull ache in my lower spine)
But in meditation the left leg is outside and or in front in order to close
the psychic channels running down your legs. One channel also goes down
the outside of your arms to the tip of the middle finger, another down the
inside of the arm to the palm. The left hand thumb touches the tip of the
middle finger, the right hand holds the left, right thumb on the left palm,
middle finger opposite the thumb. It's called, "forming a circuit of the
eight psychic channels." Also, controlled breathing is important, probably
the most important thing. It's for this that you need someone to train
you. I don't want to do it over the internet and in an open forum. It is
important because in exercise that is how vital energy is gathered
(although there are many ways). The seat of this energy is the ha tan
t'ien, the place below the navel. I suspect that when you have experienced
the feeling of the hurricane, it was that your heat or vital energy was in
the joong tan t'ien, or heart area. That is okay, because it is purified
there, but it must be moved down back to its seat in the ha tan t'ien
***this is very important***. If your heat is too high you will be
off-balance.
The beautiful experience of the lotus blooming underneath you (I don't know
for sure) but I wonder if that was a vision of your psychic channels. I
don't know, but it's like a myriad of rivers beginning in the ha tan t'ien,
flowing out and around the universe, and back to it's seat, making one
complete revolution with each breath. When you get tingling in your feet
or your legs it's because of the energy being blocked. At those times you
can do several things depending on the severity of the cramping: stretch
and draw the light up your leg to its seat; or focus on the light and bring
in back to its seat.
I understand in Soen that they don't like to control the breath, because it
is unnatural. It's okay, you choose your way, but I don't agree. Learning
to control the breath is for exercise (at this time I think so anyway),
and it strengthens/purifies the body.
I mentioned that Kouk Sun Do is a martial art, but really I don't learn to
kick and punch. It's more Taoist Yoga if such a thing still exists.
Perhaps it is a little like what Castanada said, you declare war on what
separates you from the divine. The fight is not a fight, but it is all
internal.
You wrote>>and shy demure women find out they are not so shy and demure.
But instead
of becoming power-hungry, the dojang and the power of the chi and the
power of the buddhist practise and way of life helped channel that new
energy imo into trying to instead be a resource to others. So now as i
teach martial arts sometimes, its my goal to eventually be that sort of
transforming force for others. Especially for other women. >>
That is it exactly. Become what you ARE. But incidentally, the external
forms of martial arts can also be seen as a way to balance external and
internal. I've seldom had an interest in the external forms until the last
year or so. Now I'm hoping, when I go into the mountains, to begin
studying a little bit each day.
Anyway, it is wonderful to meet another person with common concepts.
Peace and Love,
The Ox.
PS. There is a great book I found, and have just started, I'm 40 pages
into it and it has been worth the money already. Taoist Yoga: Alchemy &
Immortality, by Lu K'uan Yu [Charles Luk], published by Samuel Weiser,
inc., 1973.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:33:44
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: ways of the heart
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dear kundalini-l,
having lately been deluged with spiritual 'information superhighway'
input from various sources, i can announce that i feel certain this
*zeitgeist* is being utilized for mass-consciousness-raising, & it gives
me great *hope* for the future.
someone on this list, awhile back, said that - soon people will be
forced to take the way of the heart, & the others will be left behind
(paraphrase). maybe this was either Gloria or indra.my NETSCAPE backed
up with over 9000 messages night before last, & it took hours to
download them all, 'select all' & 'delete', so i lost a lot of
correspondance.
but, i am interested in pursueing this thread; the balance of heart &
mind, & the context of 'mind as ego' (linear), & 'mind as heart' (alpha
or theta brain wave frequencies).
in a society bent on sucking up our hearts & souls, people whose
*ego* is not there to appeal to because the heart & soul is too powerful
to suck up, are considered 'outcasts' still.
is 'living by one's wits' still too surrealistic to be a sane
approach to wisdom & values? or is the zeitgeist actually changing in
this regard to make the nonchalance of *letting go* an important aspect
of roller-skating, or riding the bicycle synonymous with *life*?
i am almost entirely *right-brained* because of a concussion from an
accident. and, i am in alaska because it is slower & the community less
*competitive* & more *accepting* of diverse views. but, i have no steady
work still, & am seeking to discover whether it is *me* or *them* (in a
nutshell).
the local pulp mill just closed by Louisina-Pacific (!) & so many
people freaking, & so much more 'competition' for jobs; it is truly
confusing.
but *i* am just *all heart*.
i seek more answers from this direction.
v
--
"Ah, good taste! What a dreadful thing! Taste is the enemy of
creativeness." PabloPicasso
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:34:43
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: K exercises
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In a message dated 97-09-27 00:34:11 EDT, you write:
<< From: Who1w30555ATnospamaol.com (Evan James Rooney)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Hello
I recently came across kundalini in my search of esoteric subjects and it
caught my intrest so I immediatly signed up. Since I'm new to this could
someone post excersizes to bring about the experience
Greatly appreciated
Evan >>
Hi Evan,
Welcome! You will probably receive reams of information on this one. I would
like to ask you what is it that you are seeking? Why do you want a K
'experience?' This 'experience' may be more than you bargained for. It does
not necessarily end when you are ready for a different 'experience.' You may
want to think about the fact that your life may never be the same again.
Linda ATnospam->->--
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:19:57 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Blue Visions
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Hi Tim:
Just a note about blue in meditation. I can highly recommend "The Play of
Consciousness" by Swami Muktananda on this one. He says tht this is a very
advanced state..precursor to seeing the "blue person" who is the divine
being that manifested to him and showed him the full nature of God. He
explains the colors and shapes of visions in meditation very clearly and I
have never heard or read of any other accounts quite so specific and clear
as his.
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Everytime one realizes something of the truth, there is a dance in the
heart. The heart is the only testimony for the truth. (Osho)
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:28:54 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: K. in a manual anyone?
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Hi Evan:
you wrote...>>>>
I recently came across kundalini in my search of esoteric subjects and it
caught my intrest so I immediatly signed up. Since I'm new to this could
someone post excersizes to bring about the experience
Greatly appreciated
Evan
>>>
Dear unaware seeker... you know not what you seek, nor what you ask for.
This is not an "experience" it is a transformation. This is not some
"high" that might entrance the mind for a few hours, and then return one
safely to oneself again. Once the Kundalini sparks from her resting
place, you are no more. You are erased. You cannot return to your former
ignorance, nor can you pretend to be "just" a human being any more. You
must be THAT Kundalini whereever and however she wishes you to manifest.
Beware... you have no idea. Read some of these pages for a month or two
before you decide to ask this question again.
But even if you "decided" to have this experience, it comes by GRACE and
only by divine gift. You must have been being prepared over many
lifetimes for it. It is like playing with a volcano to toy with HER if
you are unprepared... you can end up in a mental hospital, lose your job,
your family, get very very sick with all kinds of latent diseases... this
is no regular "experience" my friend...
Ask for this only if you are prepared to face all of these
eventualities... and even then.. it is not your decision but HERS.
Next time you look up "esoteric" subjects... pass this one by...
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