1997/09/26 22:18
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #464
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 464
Today's Topics:
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[Fwd: Is this kundalini]
[Fwd: concentration]
Pentecostal Kundalini
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Re: ubj:Re: Choice Ego
Re: Choice
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Good/Bad Rape??? (Long)
Aura Colors
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Re: Good/Bad Rape???
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Re: Ego and ego
Re: Good/Bad Rape??? (Long)
Re: ubj:Re: Choice Ego
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:40:33
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Hello, NANCY !!!
May I THANK you for your further explicationof your post???
And I do mean this very seriously.
Really, Nancy --- I've been worried about the original poster --- i hope
you realize I misread it --- as I presume you already realize and THANK YOU
for bringing this to my attention !!!!!
I have actually spent a little bit of time in
"kundalini-type-healee-touchie-feelie" FROM THE DEPTH OF MY HEART CHAKRA
quasi-(sort of) healing --- sent out to all those in my universe who may be
confused about RAPE.
Really --- I thank you for jumping back into the thread ---- 'cuz I've been
worrying for you. . . .
It is a relief to hear your full thoughts.
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:46:39
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Hello David,
Each time I read about someone finding out about kundalini, a tear comes
to my eye. Life is so beautiful, and it's awakening from everywhere.
As for advise, listen to your inner voice, what can I tell more...
In Love
Antoine
David Hodges (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi -
> I just joined the list after reading the info on the web site and I
> would
> like to relate some experiences I have had to get feedback that any of
> you
> might have.
>
<snipped>> After that, over the months from then until now all sorts of
changes
> whatever? The whole thing has been pretty wonderful and not a bit
> frightening, by the way.
>
> Thanks,
> David
--
Antoine Carré
http://www.concentric.net/~acarre/
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:41:54
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:32:20 -0400
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Hello Shanti,
If I guess right, from the feeling I get from reading "between" the
lines, most of your life you wanted to reach "out" of your body. Now
that you have opened new pathways to reach the light from your skin, and
"feel" the other side. As you will start to identify more and more with
the "other" side, and your ego fades away, you will have to learn the
habit of not forgetting your body, to focus on it instead of focusing on
the other side, because you will Be the "other" side. Some call it
"grounding", a lot off techniques for that exist.
As for the back of your neck a passage is not yet open for all this
energy to pass in your spine (or passage around your spine) to reach the
crown from the earth. When it will open it will be easier to stay one.
This pressure could be also a conflict from your ego wanting to stay in
the state you are and the state you need to have to study. Technology is
doing wonders, these times, they are on the market sound waves CD that
gently guide brain wave activity into a frequency that can help you to
put yourself in a learning state. I don't like to refer such tapes for
meditations and exploration of the unknown, because in some way they
limit us to specific states (work only on brain wave and whe have to
follow the evolution of the CD, not are own) and it's less easy to
explore the state in between, or, for example, to focus more on the
effect off the solar winds on us instead of the ones off the CD'S. But
when I need to be grounded in a specific way, as to learn something of
conceptual nature, this CD as proven effective: "Deep Learning", by
Kelly Howell (800) 444-SYNC. after a couple of week you don't need the
CD anymore to change state at will.
"If we think we have reached the State of Mind, it's not, yet, the good
State."
Antoine
Montreal, canada
MNR. S J OOSTHUIZEN - CHEMIES 3 (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent )
wrote:
> My problem is a dull throb / pressure where my neck meets the back
> of my head, messing up my concentration big time , and separates
> me from "reality".I don't panic about it but I write exams
> every now and then and being "seperated" when concentration is
> essential messes up my studies.
>
> I go to gym ,sleep and eat and relax well, I have tried modern
> medicine without success.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Om Shanti.
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:22:40
From: "Gordon J. Bakken" <bgb0163ATnospamrs195261.ks.boeing.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Subject: Pentecostal Kundalini
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How I heard about Kundalini.
I was raised in a Pentecostal family. In my youth I felt that I had
experienced the Pentecostal/Charismatic experience. Later, I left the
church to begin my "spiritual search". I still think that experience
was real, but have come to believe that the Pentecostals did not
understand what they were experiencing..
My sister reciently told me about a Pentecostal revival in Brownsville
Assy, Pensaola, Fl. I searched the web. This is their site.
Brownsville Assembly of God
http://www.brownsville-revival.org/revival.html
Found another site which said Pentecostalism and Kundalini were the same
thing. Searched this new word, "Kundalini" and am now on this e-mail
listing. Enjoy it. That site is:
COMPARING KUNDALINI YOGA AND TORONTO BLESSING / BROWNSVILLE
http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/warnings/charhind.htm#COMPARING
Other sites say this also (search: Pentecostal and Kundalini) What do
you think? Gordon
.Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:45:11
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Thank you everybody for your comments, and a special thank you to Melissa
for her sharing. I shall have to re-read her post several times. You have
a remarkable story --- and I am reminded of the Queen's recent statement in
regards to something else when she said, "...There is something here to be
learned by all..." (my humble paraphrase.)
I am VERY appreciative of all of you you have jumped into this discussion
to help put words into my mouth. I did not have terribly many active
neurons pre-kundalini awakening, and I assure you that I have NO more in
the aftermath. :)
However, due to the constant INCESSANT inner silence ---- kind of a "loud"
glaring cathedral-like SILENCE, I frankly frequently feel intense
difficulty in expressing myself. It is NOT because of the kundalini, mind
you --- but somehow somehow my already-ther difficulty with articulating my
thoughts "feels" worse.
So I thank everyone for helping me out by contributing their ideas, too --
many of which I could say, "Me, too."
Peace.
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:40:21 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Subject: Re: ubj:Re: Choice Ego
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At 01:29 PM 9/26/97 -0400, SchrLLATnospamaol.com wrote:
>I am intrigued by your statements about ego. Since I cannot function without
>my ego in everyday types of situations, I use my ego, my individual
>consciousness to do so. When I sleep, my ego consciousness receeds into the
>background and also when I meditate and especially when I go into the bliss.
>To me this is integration of the ego.
>Your statement that ego "probably shuts the windows and doors to
>spirituality" makes me think that ego definition in the east and in the west
>may not be the same. I would appreciate your comments. Linda ATnospam->->--
Dear Linda,
I believe you are right.
Ego and consciousness are nearly synonymous.
Ego propells us through life.
Ego is the manifestation of Spirit within each of us.
And yet, we consider egocentricity to be a spiritual block.
Could there be a difference between ego and Ego?
May you live in Peace, Love, and Joy,
Ken
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:39:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
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At 09:28 AM 9/26/97 -0700, M wrote:
>At 10:46 AM 9/26/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
>>If you have a problem with spiders (or lobsters) the solution is
>>not to sterilise your home but to look at the underlying reasons within you.
>
>I have found that working on an outer problem can greatly contribute to
>resolving the inner problem. I have also found that working on the inner
>problem can almost resolve the outer problem - or prompt actions that will
>do so. As a consequence I usually try to do both. If I just give the
>problem to the Holy Spirit it often seems neither kind of work is necessary.
An hour after writing this I was in the kitchen and saw something, a fuzzy?,
bit of hair? next to my little trash can. I bent down to pick it up and
realised it was a dead spider . . . I laughed and thanked him/her for the
service/joke/manifestation. Isn't life interesting and wonderful in K land?
M
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:07:46 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Nancy (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com>
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Nancy (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> shae (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> >
> > Hello, Gloria --- I'm new at reading all these posts, and I guess I
> > missed something that you directed at me.
> > My suggestions re: Dr. Laura stemmed from my startled response to
> > reading a post which suggested that "...rape is both good and bad. Good
> > for the rapist...", and NOT from an endorsement of Dr. Laura.<snipped>
> > p.s. Gloria --- I get worried when somebody says what I received the other
> > day. . . Peace.
>
> Dear Shae,
>
> I believe your reference is to the post that I wrote. Your paraphrase of my
> post I do not believe accurately reflects what I said.
>
> I said:
>
> "Even something as seemingly hideous as rape is both good and bad. Perhaps
> the rapist rapes to deal with his feelings of rage, anger, frustration.
> Expressing these may feel good to him. In a way, the rapist transfers his
> rage energy to someone else to deal with. This feels bad to the rape
> victim. But is it inately good or bad? I don't think we can judge from this
> plane. We can't see the energy working behind the scenes."
>
> I do not agree with the perspective that there is an ultimate good and an
> ultimate bad. I think good and bad depends upon your perspective.
>
>Gloria here:
Ah, the good and bad discussion, this one is always tricky isn't it?
Because it is automatic to think and form an opinion. What happens when
we are in spiritual training inside we begin to see the bigger picture
and in so doing we recognize how illusion is working on both sides.
That is not to say that rape is right, we all know that it is not.
However, in observing and drawing on the other persons experience with
the knowledge that there is really no such thing as the victim...in the
pure sense... then we bring in the karmic understanding to adjust the
thought form that is automatically beginning. Again, this is the
interior process, however, when we speak about it to others, it just
doesn't come out the way intended because the observation doesn't come
through with the whole process.
I remember years ago this conversation came up at a meeting I was
attending, someone asked me about a difficult situation that could have
been similiar. I started off by saying that everything has purpose and
it isn't always the way it appears. And while on the human level we all
know it is wrong, without question, in order not to get caught up in the
illusion it is best to leave it without judgement.
Then I said with human emotions and feelings that is difficult, but
when I look at the hands of time, the illusion itself, then I know that
life corrects itself in the big picture. No one ever gets away with
anything. The day you are out of the body and do the life review, you
see for yourself the thought, emotion, and act and you experience the
other persons view and experience in total. The lesson then has purpose
and the stage for that persons next experience has begun, if we don't
take that into consideration then we end up trying to understand
something that just doesn't have an explanation until you follow it to
the end.
Now, did I hit the topic or totally miss it???Gloria
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:31:19 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Melissa Rea (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <mreaATnospamservos.com>
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> Melissa Ray:
> I was the insecure 19 year old girl who was raped by 4 guys, only difference
> in my situation is that I have a son from the experience so I must admit
> that not only was I blessed to be able to become a much stronger young lady
> who could conquer the world if I wanted but I have the most wonderful son I
> could ever hope for. He will be 7 in November and he has helped me in so
> many ways, he shall never know.
>
> I had no one throughout this experience though. My father was a Baptist
> Preacher, our home was very tight. They did not want to discuss it, did not
> want to face the reality. Although Baptist, it completely surprised me as I
> was continuously told to have an abortion. When I made the decision to have
> the child, it was as if I was completely shunned from anyone and everyone
> around me. So, you see it is not only the victim whom can grow from the
> circumstance. The Village as a whole should grow but we all know that does
> not happen. I grew alone, and I am fine with that, for I am the one that
> won in the end!!!!
HI, Some story, you may be surprised how you effect some of those people
as time goes on. Your son and you offer quite and example of
'overcoming' in a way that is so very important. You choose not to allow
it to ruin your life and that will effect people more then you know. God
Bless both of you. Gloria
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:58:47
From: timATnospammarketmedia.com (Tim Pritchard) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Subject: Aura Colors
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What does Blue mean. I percieve brilliantly bright blue during my
meditations. The color transistions from yellow to green then develops
into blue completley.
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:57:54
From: Evan James Rooney <Who1w30555ATnospamaol.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Hello
I recently came across kundalini in my search of esoteric subjects and it
caught my intrest so I immediatly signed up. Since I'm new to this could
someone post excersizes to bring about the experience
Greatly appreciated
Evan
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:35:59
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Melissa Rea (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> When I made the decision to have
> the child, it was as if I was completely shunned from anyone and
> everyone around me. So, you see it is not only the victim whom can grow
from
> the circumstance. The Village as a whole should grow but we all know that
> does not happen. I grew alone, and I am fine with that, for I am the one
> that won in the end!!!! *smile*
>
> Thank you for allowing me to share my feelings on this!!!
>
> Love and Peace,
> Melissa
Hello Melissa,
I admire your courage, it's a great inspiration for me. Thank you for
sharing your story....
You said all know that the village did not grow from your experience. I
don't think it's true, they did grow from it, but it takes them more
time. It's like the first black (to take an example) man that comes to
live in a small village. Being the first, and different, mostly they
will resist to is staying, but with time, as they get to know him, the
mind of some villager at least will start to open to him being there. If
the black man is open, he will grow faster, being different, from is
experience, and is surroundings will grow a little bit faster from
living with "something" exotic.
Antoine
--
Antoine Carré
http://www.concentric.net/~acarre/
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:37:22
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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acarre wrote:
>
> Nancy (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> > Shae, there's no need to "worry." This is a forum for sharing,
> > discussion
> > and, yes, disagreement. Words and ideas are just that. Words and
> > ideas.
> > They can't hurt you.
>
> Really you think so? That words and ideas can't hurt someone... Depends
> on the "you" you are referring to and the level of attachement ones have
> to words and ideas.
>
> Antoine
Of course you are right! That's the point I was trying to make about good
and evil. It depends upon what level you are viewing it from. And yes, the
attachment you possess around the issue. What comes to mind is a saying
(from whom I do not remember) Nothing is good or bad unless my thoughts
make it so.
Thanks Antoine for your insight.
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:38:00
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Hi, Nancy.
No, I was not being sarcastic.
In another post, I describe my difficulty articulating my thoughts ---
which, if I may be humorous (?) --- I no longer feel the tactile sensation
of mental chatter inside my cranium becaue there are no "thoughts" per se
in this unremitting SILENCE.
So, given the FACT (not self-putdown) that I did not have a disciplined
intellect to start with --- it does not surprise me that I do not have one,
post K-Awakening.
A psychologist recently wrote a post to me --- perhaps if you can imagine
that I am 100% kinesthetic --- you'll appreciate my difficulties with the
written word.
How about I promise to put in parentheses in future posts when I AM being
sarcastic -- so that everyone will know? (In my verbal expression a large
part of my humour-expression is based upon sarcastic witticisms.)
My favorite such sarcastic witticism of late is this:
BEFORE ENLIGHTENMENT............Wash dishes
be neurotic
After Enlightenment: Wash dishes, be neurotic
Peace.
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:38:17
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego and ego
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In a message dated 97-09-26 20:00:35 EDT, you write:
<<
>I am intrigued by your statements about ego. Since I cannot function
without
>my ego in everyday types of situations, I use my ego, my individual
>consciousness to do so. When I sleep, my ego consciousness receeds into the
>background and also when I meditate and especially when I go into the
bliss.
>To me this is integration of the ego.
>Your statement that ego "probably shuts the windows and doors to
>spirituality" makes me think that ego definition in the east and in the
west
>may not be the same. I would appreciate your comments. Linda ATnospam->->--
Dear Linda,
I believe you are right.
Ego and consciousness are nearly synonymous.
Ego propells us through life.
Ego is the manifestation of Spirit within each of us.
And yet, we consider egocentricity to be a spiritual block.
Could there be a difference between ego and Ego?
May you live in Peace, Love, and Joy,
Ken
>>
And?????????
So we have ego and Ego. Let us be specific. I do not have the answers and I
suspect no one else does either. Let's put on our thinking caps and do
east/west thinking together. And thanks, Ken, for your input. Linda
ATnospam->->--
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:39:51
From: Chuck Davis <roshicorpATnospamROSHI.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Good/Bad Rape??? (Long)
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On 26-Sep-97, Gloria Greco wrote:
>.
>> Melissa Ray:
>> I was the insecure 19 year old girl who was raped by 4 guys, only
difference
>> in my situation is that I have a son from the experience so I must admit
>> that not only was I blessed to be able to become a much stronger young lady
>> who could conquer the world if I wanted but I have the most wonderful son I
>> could ever hope for. He will be 7 in November and he has helped me in so
>> many ways, he shall never know.
>>
>> I had no one throughout this experience though. My father was a Baptist
>> Preacher, our home was very tight. They did not want to discuss it, did
not
>> want to face the reality. Although Baptist, it completely surprised me as
I
>> was continuously told to have an abortion. When I made the decision to
have
>> the child, it was as if I was completely shunned from anyone and everyone
>> around me. So, you see it is not only the victim whom can grow from the
>> circumstance. The Village as a whole should grow but we all know that does
>> not happen. I grew alone, and I am fine with that, for I am the one that
>> won in the end!!!!
>HI, Some story, you may be surprised how you effect some of those people
>as time goes on. Your son and you offer quite and example of
>'overcoming' in a way that is so very important. You choose not to allow
>it to ruin your life and that will effect people more then you know. God
>Bless both of you. Gloria
Perhaps we could learn the /difference/ between pain and suffering.
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:37:40
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ubj:Re: Choice Ego
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by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> ubj: Re: Choice
> Date: 97-09-26 01:35:43 EDT
> From: indraATnospamsmartt.com (indra)
> Resent-from: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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> E Jason wrote:
> >
> > There is a difference between right and wrong.<snipped>It may even shock
> or unnerve you but then if you learn to
> > follow your Heart and Trust in Goddess, nothing will hurt you that will
> not eventually
> > exhalt you.
> >
> > God Bless You All
> > Lobster comes down from the pulpit. Rmoves vestments and goes to hide
> under the nearest
> > rock . . .
> Hi Lobster !
>......................... The ego limits our vision, our potentials,our
understanding, our perspectives,and probably shuts the windows and doors to
spirituality.
> Appreciate your post.
>
> Indra
>
> Namaste Indra,
> I am intrigued by your statements about ego. Since I cannot function without
> my ego in everyday types of situations, ............................
> Your statement that ego "probably shuts the windows and doors to
> spirituality" makes me think that ego definition in the east and in the west
> may not be the same. I would appreciate your comments. Linda ATnospam->->--
Hello Linda !
Here is easternn thought on the ego. I had to write first on my word
processor, because I am almost at the limit of my time this month with
my server.
So I make this an attachment.
Thanks for your question and please feel at liberty to throw questions
and I would endeavor to answer to the best of my understanding and
knowledge.
Ego in the Eastern Line of thought:
The pure consciousness lowers it's frequency to be active principle in the
sentient body and is
the mindstuff= Chittam in Sanskrit.
The mindstuff may be considered as the container of the of three aspects
which makes our
individual personality. The three aspects are Mind consciousness= Manah
Ego or ego consciousness= Ahamkara and the Discerning faculty= Buddhi.
These three together form our totality of our mind stuff or Chittam.
The chittam is the part of the whole yet not the whole. It has the ability
to gain experiences
from our childhood to the last minutes of our corporeal life.
The three aspects of this Chittam cooperate and enables the individual to
carry on efficient and
satisfying interactions with the external and internal environments.This
state is that of balance
between the three aspects.
When the three aspects are imbalanced and at odds with each other the
chittam becomes
deranged, maladjusted and consciousness becomes bewildered and confused.
Under these conditions of imbalance the people become dissatisfied with
their internal and
external environments. The purpose of the Yogic Practices is to maintain a
balance of these
three aspects of Manah, Buddhi and Ahamkara.
The Ahamkara - the ego with the small "e" is our ego consciousness,
operates in two directions,
to be creative or destructive according to the predominant Gunas of the
person.
So in the east , yes we do view the ego different from the western point of
view.
That is why I mentioned that "the ego probably shuts the door to
spirituality."
The determining or the discerning faculty allows the silent voice to let us
know the pros or cons
of any situation.
The manah on the other hand cannot, according to eastern view , cannot
separate the subjective
world of the mind from the objective world of physical reality. It needs
the ego to direct. The
ego in turn is presented by the pros and the cons by the budhhi -the
discerning faculty.
Hope this gives a birdseye view to the eastern concept of the mind and its
aspects.
In Love, Life and Light to all ,
Indra
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