1997/09/26 13:54
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #463
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 463
Today's Topics:
Re: Lessons, Evil and Good and Kundalini
Re: Seeing Prana?
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ENLIGHTENMENT magazine
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Rising deeper
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Re: Choice
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Re: Good/Bad Rape??? (Long)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:40:00 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
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Ron Harrow wrote:
>To all, thank you for sharing your thoughts on good and evil. I have
>noticed that people on this list have hearts that have much greater
>love, compassion and understanding than most other people. Do you think
>this is related to kundalini. Is having a compassionate and loving
>heart a factor leading to kundalini, a result of kundalini or just
>coincidentally?
I believe that as kundalini activates the heart chakra then compassion and
love are also activated. But you are also likely to meet many powerful
people with an active kundalini but without any significant heart activity.
Ron
>Many of you who responded to my first query, expressed the opinion that
>good and evil are more or less relative terms. If that's so, then what
>compass do you use? How do you know when you're on the path and when
>you're straying from it? Is there a universal ethical path or are all
>paths relative, and what's right and wrong for me is not necessarily the
>same for you? And if the latter is the true situation, then how do we
>all hold together in a civilized society?
I think your use of the term ``compass'' shows a deep intution ...
I think there are two different views. I wish I could resolve them in my
own mind.
The first is that we do have an internal compass that guides us. I grew up
thinking of it as my conscience. It is modeled as a link to the divine and
is available to us at any time for divine guidance. Having experienced it,
and feeling that it is accessible to me, I do not doubt it's existance - I
only doubt it's role in the ``big picture.'' To me this divine compass is
always associated with the light, with the descent of the dove of the holy
spirit -with Shiva, with the Alchemical white eagle, with the tantric
Buddhist ``white bodhicitta'', and with the Ida channel in the body - just
to be controversial I'll say that the representative of this energy in the
newsroup is Gloria. So what's wrong with this energy? Nothing - except that
some feel this perspective is not the ultimate but only half the story.
What's the other half? They would say that the other half is the red energy
- the ascent of the kundalini fire, Shiva's shakti, alchemically the Red
Lion,the tantric Buddhist Red Bodhicitta, and the Ida channel in the body.
In the newsgroup I see this perspective most often reflected in Angelique's
writings. In the tantric Buddhist view, just to be specific, the goal is to
unite these two energies and the resulting fusion is more profound than
either independently. The resulting union has no ``perspective'', no angle,
no axe to grind, no corners to get stuck in.
So that's the toss-up as I see it. Personally I tend toward the tantric
view but the great joy that descends from the white energy alone is very
compelling and even this energy alone is very fulfilling......... But then
so is the ascension of the kundalini fire .........
Mangalam
Kurt
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:02:53
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Subject: Re: Seeing Prana?
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Duncan, Mark (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> I have started my masters program at Atlantic University in Virginia
> Beach. The area is visual arts - the transpersonal approach.
>
> Tuesday (9-23-97), my art teacher explained that what I was seeing was
> prana. I would like to believe him; however, it doesn't feel right.
> I am looking forward to hearing from my friends on the list.
>
> Love & Light
>
> Mark C. Duncan
> Network Engineer
> Information Technology Solutions, Inc.
> Building 2787, Ft. Eustis, VA
> 757.878.0071 ext. 297
> duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil
Prana : The most obvious manifestation of Prana is the motion of the
lungs.If that stops then all other manifestation of prana in the body
will also stop. Through some yogic practices, many can be on extended
period of Kumbhaka, and slow down the process of using the prana from
the lungs.These are those very few who can live without breathing while
evn buried.
Prana is also that something intangible yet existing which even produces
the Akasha.As the Akasha is infinite, omnipresent substance of the
Universe so is Prana, the infinite manifesting power of the Universe.
"It is the Prana that is manifesting as motion, it is Prana that is
manifesting as graviation, as magenetism. It is Prana that is
manifesting as the actions of the body, as tyhe nerve currents, and as
thought force."---------Hata Yoga Pradipika.
"The sum total of all forces in the Universe, mental or physical, when
resolved back to their originalk state, is called Prana." The knowledge
and conscious control of this Prana is Pranayama."------Raja Yoga .
I above I quote just to let you know nature of and definition of Prana.
In its actions the same prana bears many names for our easy
comprehension. The names like, Upana, Apana, Udana,are three main ones
etc. there are five such in total in the human body. dependant on the
direction of flow of the prana.
I hope this is helpful for your understanding. The eyes of our subtle
body can see prana, the physical body can its effects.
Indra
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:33:02
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Hi, Diane ---- Say, there's another book I'd like to tell you about. I
read it maybe a year and a half after my "Cranial Explosion" (aka Kundalini
Awakening). At the time I read it, I really wish I'd known about it in the
immediate aftermath of the my shattered crown chakra : )
This book is called "Holy Madness"; its author is Georg Feuerstein. The
subtitle of the book I do not remember --- but it was something , -- oh,
"sex and sex-abuse by gurus" --- something like that, something I really
don't keep up on, being a loner. . .
However, I'm not sure WHY I checked this book out of the library --- but I
was tremendously shocked HOW MUCH info was in there about spiritual
consciousness --- particulary some of its outre psychological
manifestations . . . . Mr. Feuerstein is one smart man, at least in this
book --- and I just remembered it when I saw your post today. It's a
"must-read" --- although, I assure the full title put me off, so I almost
missed one VERY important piece of current day kundalini literature. Were
one of my own friends to have a kundalini crisis, I'd INSIST they read it
--- 'cause it is super-informative.
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:05:51
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: ENLIGHTENMENT magazine
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I first noticed this magazine a couple years ago. I am not
recommending anyone to subscribe (nor am I recommending you not subscribe.)
The title, of course, caught my eye--- but this is the first issue I ever
actually bought, for all the other ones I scanned were simply too
"theoretical & intellectual" for me. This issue intrigued me, however, for
it is devoted to something that has concerned me for many years.
ISSUE 12 Fall/Winter 1997
WHAT IS ENLIGHTENMENT? "Dedicated to the discovery of what
enlightenment really is and what it really means"
Issue 12 focus: THE MODERN SPIRITUAL PREDICAMENT: An
inquiry into the popularization of
East-meets-West spirituality
The cover has a photo of Ken Wilbur and Georg Feuerstein, the latter of
whom is quoted, "Genuine teachings are being butchered in order to better
suit our consumerist mentality."
I am very happy to inform you (as I am no "pro" on this keyboard) that I
just realized that this magazine has a website. I haven't seen it yet, and
don't have time right now to surf over there. There is also an 800 number
for subsriptions: 1-800-376-3210
The webpage address is: http://www.mokska.org/wie
The above was for information purposes only --- in direct answer to a
question. I have NO financial interest in the magazine, its authors, or
"moksas.org" -- whatever that is.
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:22:07
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Dear Mark Duncan,
Please make an appointment with an opthamologist. What you are
describing could be medically significant, so I urge you to seek a
competent doctor who can give you a correct diagnosis.
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:23:02
From: shae <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Hello, Gloria --- I'm new at reading all these posts, and I guess I
missed something that you directed at me.
My suggestions re: Dr. Laura stemmed from my startled response to
reading a post which suggested that "...rape is both good and bad. Good
for the rapist...", and NOT from an endorsement of Dr. Laura.
I was quite rattled to see such a view in my e-mailbox, originating by
way of the kundalini-l mailing list.
There is a reason why all legitimate traditions have a period of
apprenticeship/disciplehood. And a large part of that time is spent
learning BASIC things --- like the 10 commandments, etc/etc/etc -- all the
major religions have basic moral creeds. THEN, when the student has
mastery over this --- then. . .
Gloria, may I ask a favor? (Seriously.) Could you write a post about
this issue for me? I cannot begin to tell you what a difficulty I am
having constructing a post about this --- however, in reading your posts, I
believe you know what I'm trying to express --- and you are a PRO of a
writer. (Gawd--- I can't believe I'm asking a stranger a favor!)
p.s. Gloria --- I get worried when somebody says what I received the other
day. . . Peace.
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:47:29 -0700
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Rising deeper
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The energies grow deeper, more intense
The question calls right to my core
the core of ori^
choreographing the essences of flux
of the many spheres...
An immense shifting
>From the ones I'm in contact with...
from the kundalini yoga which I find my way newly to..
from the meditation...
the energy running through me ... circulating,
testing, tasting, clearing and opening
senses of other vast energetic essences nearby
is it you? is it me?
I open to the inner planes
a new surge of the kundalini flow
a deeper opening... to the vastness
my palms and feet flood warmly with the flow moving through
the energy seeks to encompass me... arouses me...
curls around each toe, every cell
will it let me curl to sleep... to dream...
I'm reluctant to slow it... and yet...
the vessel must be prepared for higher and deeper frequencies
I break into a sweat sitting still...
remembering to breath
again I feel the immensity of planetary... or even galactic
energies... what is the next level beyond the galactic?
and how do I learn to step this down to feed the earth?
ori^
Sept. 25, 1997
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:11:17
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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shae (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> Hello, Gloria --- I'm new at reading all these posts, and I guess I
> missed something that you directed at me.
> My suggestions re: Dr. Laura stemmed from my startled response to
> reading a post which suggested that "...rape is both good and bad. Good
> for the rapist...", and NOT from an endorsement of Dr. Laura.<snipped>
> p.s. Gloria --- I get worried when somebody says what I received the other
> day. . . Peace.
Dear Shae,
I believe your reference is to the post that I wrote. Your paraphrase of my
post I do not believe accurately reflects what I said.
I said:
"Even something as seemingly hideous as rape is both good and bad. Perhaps
the rapist rapes to deal with his feelings of rage, anger, frustration.
Expressing these may feel good to him. In a way, the rapist transfers his
rage energy to someone else to deal with. This feels bad to the rape
victim. But is it inately good or bad? I don't think we can judge from this
plane. We can't see the energy working behind the scenes."
I do not agree with the perspective that there is an ultimate good and an
ultimate bad. I think good and bad depends upon your perspective.
If I gain sales for my company is that good or bad? Good, because we make
more money, serve more customers, become more efficient. Bad, because we
take away business from our competitors, we have to deal with more bills,
we use more of the earth's resources. So which is it? Good or bad?
I ride my bike. This is good for my heart, my legs, my mind. This is bad
for the oil industry because I am not using fuel for my car. So which is
it? Good or bad?
I kill an intruder. This is good, I saved my daughter's life and my life.
This is bad. I murdered someone. So which is it? Good or bad?
I am an armed robber. I paralyze a young clerk at a convenience store. This
is good. As a result of my prison term, I discover my spirit and completely
change into a "productive" member of society. This is bad. Someone is
disabled as a result of my action. So which is it? Good or bad?
I don't understand why discussing an issue is offensive. If you disagree
with my perspective, that is okay with me. I am not here to challenge or
convert anyone to any way! I participate in this group because I enjoy the
opportunity to read others views and compose my own through writing. People
bring up topics, and anyone can respond sharing his/her perspective.
Shae, there's no need to "worry." This is a forum for sharing, discussion
and, yes, disagreement. Words and ideas are just that. Words and ideas.
They can't hurt you.
Peace also to you,
Nancy
PS: I have listened to Dr. Laura at times. I find much of the advise she
gives to be good counsel for dealing with life's daily issues. I do think
she is sometimes very short with callers and attempts to intimidate people
who do not agree with her suggestions.
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:46:56 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
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by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:
> Forgive me for taking this out of context, but I have moved more toward
> spirituality as I have learned to develop a stronger, healthier ego. In the
> yoga I learned, my spiritual quest requires that I develop my body, mind and
> spirit in balance and holistically. To be merely spiritual was not enough,
> not balanced.
To be merely spiritual is not enough. To be motivated by the Spirit is everything.
Depends on the individual. Becoming truly human - which often means healing a wounded
ego is indeed part of growth. Part of the problem with Kundalini is the manifestation
through a distorted ego. Many people continually ask, 'who are you to judge what is
distorted'? How long are people going to play such games?
Each one of us in our hearts is aware of our inadequacies and should not pretend they
are blessings and strengths. The blessing and strength comes from transforming them -
not living with them. If you have a problem with spiders (or lobsters) the solution is
not to sterilise your home but to look at the underlying reasons within you.
In a similar way aspects of our persona that are to do with our persoanl make up should
not be perverted to the idea that All is Spirit in the Higher Sense.
If you want to enjoy the carnival and be a clown - good luck to you. If you want to
transform yourself, come to terms with kundalini and develop wisdom and other qualities,
you must work. This work takes time and effort and part of that process as you say is
the the healing of the ego.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (+ wounded ego)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:03:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: Choice
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Not only does Kundalini require that we heal the wounded ego (it's just
too damn painful NOT to let go and heal), but if we didn't have wounded
egos we'd likely never look for God/dess in the first place. Emotional
pain is the secret doorway to magic. I repeatedly find that if I go as
deeply as I can into the hurt, with awareness, I end up in a
transcendent place. I suppose this is why we have to have human bodies
in order to grow. Holly
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:28:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
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At 10:46 AM 9/26/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
>
>To be merely spiritual is not enough. To be motivated by the Spirit is
everything.
I love the wisdom in this.
>If you have a problem with spiders (or lobsters) the solution is
>not to sterilise your home but to look at the underlying reasons within you.
I have found that working on an outer problem can greatly contribute to
resolving the inner problem. I have also found that working on the inner
problem can almost resolve the outer problem - or prompt actions that will
do so. As a consequence I usually try to do both. If I just give the
problem to the Holy Spirit it often seems neither kind of work is necessary.
M
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:34:57 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
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shae (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> Hello, Gloria --- I'm new at reading all these posts, and I guess I
> missed something that you directed at me.
> My suggestions re: Dr. Laura stemmed from my startled response to
> reading a post which suggested that "...rape is both good and bad. Good
> for the rapist...", and NOT from an endorsement of Dr. Laura.
> I was quite rattled to see such a view in my e-mailbox, originating by
> way of the kundalini-l mailing list.
> There is a reason why all legitimate traditions have a period of
> apprenticeship/disciplehood. And a large part of that time is spent
> learning BASIC things --- like the 10 commandments, etc/etc/etc -- all the
> major religions have basic moral creeds. THEN, when the student has
> mastery over this --- then. . .
> Gloria, may I ask a favor? (Seriously.) Could you write a post about
> this issue for me? I cannot begin to tell you what a difficulty I am
> having constructing a post about this --- however, in reading your posts, I
> believe you know what I'm trying to express --- and you are a PRO of a
> writer. (Gawd--- I can't believe I'm asking a stranger a favor!)
>
>
> p.s. Gloria --- I get worried when somebody says what I received the other
> day. . . Peace.
Hi,
Sure I will do what comes to me, did you feel it got off on folks
thinking you were into Laura and looking to her in someway?
Remember there are 300 people reading these probably most didn't take it
that way at all, if one does however it will start the ball rolling.
Just let it slide.
Help me to understand your point and I willput it out on another slant
so that it can continue but more in line from your original intent.
Don't feel you can't speak out, it is OK. Love to you. Gloria
>
>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:32:39
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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In a message dated 97-09-26 08:31:30 EDT, you write:
<< Hello, Gloria --
There is a reason why all legitimate traditions have a period of
apprenticeship/disciplehood. And a large part of that time is spent
learning BASIC things --- like the 10 commandments, etc/etc/etc -- all the
major religions have basic moral creeds. THEN, when the student has
mastery over this --- then. . .
<snipped>
p.s. Gloria --- I get worried when somebody says what I received the other
day. . . Peace.
>>
MrNamaste,
I'm no Gloria but I am concerned too.
You have a very good point. I too regard the time I spent in my youth
learning the Ten Commandment and Golden Rule, the alphabet and motor vehicle
operation rules etc., time well spent.
I am reminded of the artist who first learns colors, then how to paint and
mix the colors, how to draw depth and bodies and landscapes etc. As his art
evolves, the artist learns to do things which his first teacher would have
frowned upon. The artist becomes creative. And finally the artist becomes a
master, a Van Gough, a Picasso, a Reubins.
Perhaps this is what we also are attempting to do as we learn to 'resolve our
opposites.' We simply use what we have learned to enrich our tapestries and
our art is shared with those whose lives have also included learning wha the
primary colors are. Love and Light, Linda ATnospam->->--
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:29:47
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Date: 97-09-26 01:35:43 EDT
From: indraATnospamsmartt.com (indra)
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E Jason wrote:
>
> There is a difference between right and wrong.<snipped>It may even shock
or unnerve you but then if you learn to
> follow your Heart and Trust in Goddess, nothing will hurt you that will
not eventually
> exhalt you.
>
> God Bless You All
> Lobster comes down from the pulpit. Rmoves vestments and goes to hide
under the nearest
> rock . . .
Hi Lobster !
Your post is full of clarity. Spirituality involves the integration of
the ego. Ego centric view is localized to the person only, just like
when you are on the you would have view of the landscape from horizon to
horizon.
The ego limits our vision, our potentials,our understanding, our
perspectives,and probably shuts the windows and doors to spirituality.
Appreciate your post.
Indra
Namaste Indra,
I am intrigued by your statements about ego. Since I cannot function without
my ego in everyday types of situations, I use my ego, my individual
consciousness to do so. When I sleep, my ego consciousness receeds into the
background and also when I meditate and especially when I go into the bliss.
To me this is integration of the ego.
Your statement that ego "probably shuts the windows and doors to
spirituality" makes me think that ego definition in the east and in the west
may not be the same. I would appreciate your comments. Linda ATnospam->->--
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:39:03
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Nancy (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> Shae, there's no need to "worry." This is a forum for sharing,
> discussion
> and, yes, disagreement. Words and ideas are just that. Words and
> ideas.
> They can't hurt you.
Really you think so? That words and ideas can't hurt someone... Depends
on the "you" you are referring to and the level of attachement ones have
to words and ideas.
Antoine
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:38:27
From: "Melissa Rea" <mreaATnospamservos.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Good/Bad Rape??? (Long)
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> Hello, Gloria --- I'm new at reading all these posts, and I guess I
>missed something that you directed at me.
> My suggestions re: Dr. Laura stemmed from my startled response to
>reading a post which suggested that "...rape is both good and bad. Good
>for the rapist...", and NOT from an endorsement of Dr. Laura.
I feel that there is much more to the Good and Bad of something so horrible
as rape. I hope you do not mind my sharing my opinion. In life, we all
have obstacles which we must overcome. Yes, some of them are alot worse
than what others shall ever have to endure but along the same lines none of
them are comparable. I mean that because how a person deals with them and
how they are accepted is all individualistic.
Okay, since the subject of rape is already up, lets us say we talk of two
persons both female and the same age, (19). One of the women, very
insecure of herself, no perception of dealing with issues, still quite
immature. She is gang raped by four guys in a very rough manner, horrific
experience. The other being a of strong mind and strong will, very
independent, let us say she is in a car accident, not at fault, she ends up
losing one of her legs from the accident.
Okay, let us say now that both go through an emotional uproar due to the
circumstances. The insecure woman becomes very depressed, tries to kill
herself. Does not know what to do with her life, one day wakes and realizes
that in order for her to regain her life, she must forgive these guys and
become a stronger person. She learns the value of life and living it to the
fullest. The other young woman, having been independent all of her life,
feels now that she has lost everything because of this. She is losing more
and more of herself every day. She begins to feel sorry for herself, does
not want to go on. She does not want to talk about it, does not want to
face the issue. She now is having to ask for assistance in anything she
does, she can not deal with this. She never fully accepts what has happened
and becomes very bitter to everyone, blaming everyone for what happened to
her.
Both completely different, both horrible, completely incomparable
experiences.
We all go through learning experiences, we all encounter life changes. The
good in the situation is in watching a person grow from it, helping them to
grow from it. No, the circumstances are completely horrendous and we would
all like to see the person grow from such an experience yet it does not
always happen that way.
There is a saying, most have heard, it takes a village to raise a
child......well, I take it one step further.......It takes a village to
raise an individual. For we are not finished growing just because we are
not children. We must all do what we can to help one another grow. When we
see someone going through a rough time, in any manner, we should always do
what we can to help them grow and flourish from whatever experience they may
encounter.
I was the insecure 19 year old girl who was raped by 4 guys, only difference
in my situation is that I have a son from the experience so I must admit
that not only was I blessed to be able to become a much stronger young lady
who could conquer the world if I wanted but I have the most wonderful son I
could ever hope for. He will be 7 in November and he has helped me in so
many ways, he shall never know.
I had no one throughout this experience though. My father was a Baptist
Preacher, our home was very tight. They did not want to discuss it, did not
want to face the reality. Although Baptist, it completely surprised me as I
was continuously told to have an abortion. When I made the decision to have
the child, it was as if I was completely shunned from anyone and everyone
around me. So, you see it is not only the victim whom can grow from the
circumstance. The Village as a whole should grow but we all know that does
not happen. I grew alone, and I am fine with that, for I am the one that
won in the end!!!! *smile*
Thank you for allowing me to share my feelings on this!!!
Love and Peace,
Melissa
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