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kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #461
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 05:36:32 -0700
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
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Dear Ron,
you wrote (and asked some really good questions!):
>Is having a compassionate and loving heart a factor leading
>to kundalini, a result of kundalini or just coincidentally?
I would say that it is because the movement onto a spiritual
path of awakening requires that one look within and the action
of the kundalini is to open and clear the blocks within each
chakra. As we do our own personal, inner work, so does it shift
the dynamics of how we relate to others. And that ripple effect
is what can change the world.
>all their "rules of behavior" from some book (e.g., the Bible, the
>Koran, etc.). I'm compelled to seek truth on my own.
A wise observation. The only real ethics in my estimation is that
which can be weighed through the heart. The writings can offer
valuable suggestions... or guidelines... but the real test of
one's actions must come from within. The externalization of a
"code of ethics" is generally based upon that which has worked
for many others, and often contains much valuable insight which
can serve as a tool. However the danger comes when one gives up
their own personal power, including the power of choice, to something
which is external to their own inner guidance. The writings serve
as a guide for those who have not yet awakened to their own inner
truth, and the danger lies in placing one's eggs in an external
basket and then forgetting that the truth emanates from within...
>Many of you who responded to my first query, expressed the opinion that
>good and evil are more or less relative terms. If that's so, then what
>compass do you use? How do you know when you're on the path and when
>you're straying from it? Is there a universal ethical path or are all
>paths relative, and what's right and wrong for me is not necessarily the
>same for you? And if the latter is the true situation, then how do we
>all hold together in a civilized society?
All paths are relative AND there is only one path ;)
Another really good question.
For me the compass lies within. This does not exclude my utilizing
external resources. And it doesn't mean I run red lights. What it
means is that I am guided by listening to my own inner wisdom...
that still, small voice within. The inner guidance which is based
upon evaluating both the inner and the outer dynamics and then
intuitively "making a choice".
How do I know when I am on the path?
I would say there is a harmony which envelops one...
a flow which can be felt. Following the Tao is not something
which can be done blindly, but is something which requires
that one give as well as take. The ebb and flow of existence
and the consciousness of choosing action based on harmony.
These are some of the factors which lead me to follow my path.
Thanks Ron for opening up this line of thought...
In light (and from the heart),
ori^
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Nancy <NancyATnospammagiccity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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At 04:41 PM 9/23/97, Nancy wrote:
>Ron Harrow wrote:
>> Some (many?) of you hold beliefs that we humans are here on earth to
>> learn lessons.
>Hi Ron,
>I used to share this lesson perspective but have cast it aside. I don't
>think that life is a course. I think we are divinity creating our lives.
>
I have played with these thought too and reached similar conclusions. In
constantly creating one is constantly learning, right? If it's not new and
doesn't require original thought, etc. it's not really creating, right?
So, there will always be learning along with the creating.
Then, I have also decided that the lesson is always: you can do it if you
work with God!!! IMHO M
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:17:03 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ron Harrow <RHarrowATnospampyrasol.com>
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Ron Harrow wrote:
> .
>
> Many of you who responded to my first query, expressed the opinion that
> good and evil are more or less relative terms. If that's so, then what
> compass do you use? How do you know when you're on the path and when
> you're straying from it? Is there a universal ethical path or are all
> paths relative, and what's right and wrong for me is not necessarily the
> same for you? And if the latter is the true situation, then how do we
> all hold together in a civilized society?
>
Ron I wouldn't say good and evil are relative terms at all. You must
obtain knowledge of good and evil to enter deeply into union with God.
You also must obtain detachment so that you understand how you
participate in creating on this plane what is called evil or negative
experience. Now, what I say is this. Evil doesn't exist except through
human experience since it is human creation, so in higher planes it
doesn't exist because it is illusion. HOWEVER, evil on this plane does
exist, it is directly related to thought, belief, and emotion.
Therefore, you don't get into higher places until you learn what you do
without knowing what it is you do. This practice of undisciplined
creation goes on everyday...when people are creating through thoughts,
emotions and are manipulating, projecting, creating...this produces what
we experience as negative energy and the illusion of evil.
Since people deny evil, it is easy to see why it is that it continues.
It is important to learn to observe yourself without attachment so that
you see exactly what you think and feel and project, so in this. You
have the ability to neutralize all emotion, thought and therefore
projections that come from you. Then you change who you are, the
frequency you work through and the inner knowledge that you have. This
is the process of ego death...letting go and assuming the place of truth
which is "your will and not my will be done." This is the moral, ethical
path, and the only one based on total purity of purpose. Gloria
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:01:16 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
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Hi Flute:
Cannot read the mime you are sending to the list above.. and would
appreciate that you not send similar things as it really clogs up my
mailbox... not all of us have the systems to read it. Perhaps you could
give a site where people could check it out. Appreciate it ... Ruth
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:33:28
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Dear Gloria: May I thank you for your wonderful, clear well thought our
reply to Ron Harrow (RE: Good & Evil and Kundalini). I really appreciate
your post and I really thank you that now I will not feel a need to spend
four hours composing a reply. You said it SO well.
If anyone reading this is truly having difficulty with these issues,
if any one out there is starting to veer towards situational ethics, if
anyone out there is experiencing difficulty knowing how to conduct oneself
in the the general area of "moral ethics", I strongly suggest that you
start listening to Dr. Laura. I assure you she will remove some of your
confusion. Her work was highlighed recently in a magazine, "What Is
Enlightenment?"
Enjoy your day.
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:49:24
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To Diane Laviolette: I have been thinking about your question --- how can
you assist your clients who MAY be undergoing the kundalini syndrome?
First, I'd like to applaud you for your concern ---- I hope there will come
a day when ALL practioners of any/all spiritual technologies and therapies
will feel the concern you have felt and pose the questions you have. It is
gratifying to see someone out there who does NOT wish to harm her clients,
however inadvertently.
May I suggest a book? It is a real "page turner", a really great
read. However, it also contains factual information which I believe you
will find of particular interest. It is written by a woman who spent
twenty-five (yes, 25!!) years researching it. The title of her book is
"Seized: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy as a Medical, Historical and Artistic
Phenomenon." The author is Eve LaPlante. I think you WANT to get ahold of
this book, 'cuz it will give you some clues on how to differential between
a spiritual crisis and a medical illness.
I am very serious in my recommendation --- and without boring you
with all the morbid details, I assure you that I had a FULL blown
no-doubt-about-it-folks kundalini awakening ---- the kind where your
consciouness explodes into Infinity and you walk around for weeks with a
500 watt light bulb in your head.
My personal favorite current kundalini books are "A Farther Shore"
and "Energies of Transformation" --- I think you'd enjoy both these works
---- and frankly, I seriously encourage you to learn all you can about
kuindalini for YOU, yourself !! Why? Because I suspect your concern and
compassion is evident of this energy stirring in you. Besides, did you
know that if you hang out with full blown kundalini cases, you can "catch"
it? Yep. Take a looksee at Muktananda's wonderful autobiograhy. Diane
--- your clients COULD be contagious! Good luck to you. :)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:46:28
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, David Tompkins wrote:
<< Yes actually. I'm surprised to hear you speak of it.
I've been studying a martial art for two years now, a nee-gong meaning
internal form. There are three tan t'iens in the body: the ha tan t'ien
is a little below the navel; jung tan t'ien is in the heart area; and
sun tan t'ien is in the forehead.
These are the Korean words. The concept is Taoist. A number of monks
here in Korea also practise Kouk Sun Do. So the two forms are very
compatible.>>
a-HO! My Korean Buddhist name is Ja Hae, the two charactors, the first is
a 13-stroke charactor meaning 'love' the second is 11-stroke meaning
'ocean'. Korean Soen Buddhism this is.
>> I don't find distracting inner energy motion, although strange things
do happen. I'd like to ask a few questions: when you meditate, do you sit?
how do you sit? in detail. Where are your hands? how do you cross your
legs? which one is inside, which one outside? >>
i do sitting meditation, usually combined with some sort of visualization
and mantra. my usual posture is Burmese, left foot drawn in, right
sitting in the front. My hands when not holding a strand of meditation
beads are in the cosmic mudra, right hand under the left, thumbs barely
touching, held over the swirl of energy in the abdomen. When i am holding
the beads, they are in my left hand. i sit on a purple moon-cushion that
helps push my lower back inward.
Between my hands there is almost always a palpable energy swirling around.
Right hand under left shifts the focus of consciousness inward, left
shifts it outward. Once in meditation i had a vision of a lotus blooming
underneath me and this swirl of energy extended outward straight from my
body to everywhere.
My spine is held yoga-straight, head slightly slightly forward, eyes
barely open.
am also an il-dan black belt myself :). so chi is not a new concept too
me. style is the hard-hitting striking of taekwondo. Being very energectic
in many ways, this hard-strike style suits my temperment. Have recently
learned a bit of the flowing grappling hapkido too. its wonderful! Martial
arts opened me up to my own potential. It was quite a shock for my husband
and i that shy little debora suddenly found her niche and earned the
respect of her fellow and sister students and came into her own power so
to speak. Disarming the shy warrior princess by empowering her.
my goal tho, is not to be the perfect warrior, buddhist vows take
precedence, and i consider myself peaceful. But the MA definitly had a
major role in the transformation.
> There are psychic channels down your legs and some ways of sitting close
> the channels and someways don't.
>
<< Most definitely to the former. As for watching others,
I notice that after a year of practise very course, authoritative men
become much more gentle. As for myself... >>
and shy demure women find out they are not so shy and demure. But instead
of becoming power-hungry, the dojang and the power of the chi and the
power of the buddhist practise and way of life helped channel that new
energy imo into trying to instead be a resource to others. So now as i
teach martial arts sometimes, its my goal to eventually be that sort of
transforming force for others. Especially for other women.
<< I didn't choose Kouk Sun Do, the master did. I made a deal with the
universe about seven years ago. (Curious, for me cycles seem to happen
every seven years) I want the world or people or society to be different
than what it is. I want peace in the world; the kind of peace that
we don't need armies, weapons, and fear. I want wisdom to be the
paradigm among world leaders; that is that we create ways of
giving power to people with wisdom rather than superior intellect
or money or whatever. I want something that to me seems impossible
BUT, when I asked the way I was shown a gate. I had to give up me,
ergo the ox. These things are going to be accomplished.
I have to be the ox that pulls the plow, the master will do his work.
Set my sights on my work, not the masters. My work as I see it is
to love people, and learn the ways of wisdom. >>
:) The path of the Bodhisattva in a way :). nice!
<< I came to Korea to pay off debt and thereby release myself from o
bligation to a society that I don't want to be enslaved to. It
has taken me two years of doing a job I don't like, but finally,
this month I'm done. In November I'm going off to the mountains to
begin full-time study of Kouk Sun Do with my partner. I hope to
be there for about three years. Another chapter in learning skills to
live.>>
I've heard the mountains of Korea are beautiful, a friend of mine, Chong
Hae Sunim spent winter Kyol Che at Shin Won Sah temple. He sent me lots of
postcards from various places as he visited before he came home to the
US.
<< So compassion, yes but it was there before. I don't think Kouk Sun
Do has made me more compassionate, but probably has so far given me
ways of cleaning my own house, becoming stronger, integrated.>>
yes, i think too the original nature of the human person is compassionate,
but we forget this when ego-self takes over.
> As for overwhelming energy, I'm not sure which way you mean.
fluctuating between sublime bliss and dark despair. when i'm not centered
i'm either riding high or crashing low it seems.
> Is this what you were speaking of?
i don't know :) Maybe.
> Peace and love,
> The Ox.
>
Maitri,
--Ja Hae
--debora a. orf
--dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never
withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:35:24
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I have just joined this list, and I have a question. My kundalini has been
awake for about 9 years as a result of practices such as meditation, yoga
postures and bodywork. I am not affiliated with a guru or teacher, so I am
working alone. For most of this time the kundalini has not been a problem,
but right now it is extremely heavy. I am experiencing spine pain,
fatique, great heat, an upwelling of fear, and severe insomnia. The last
is the most difficult to deal with, since I have a full-time, demanding job
in higher education. This has been going on for several weeks, and I could
sure use a break. The only idea I have right now is to stop meditating and
yoga postures for awhile to see if the energy will subside.
Does this seem like a good strategy, and does anyone have any other
suggestions for me?
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:34:51
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RE: Lessons, Evil and Good and K
>
>Since people deny evil, it is easy to see why it is that it continues.
>It is important to learn to observe yourself without attachment so that
>you see exactly what you think and feel and project, so in this. You
>have the ability to neutralize all emotion, thought and therefore
>projections that come from you. Then you change who you are, the
>frequency you work through and the inner knowledge that you have. This
>is the process of ego death...letting go and assuming the place of truth
>which is "your will and not my will be done."
Surely its not to neutralise the emotion... I believe that we have to
embrace all our emotions, accepting them as part of ourselves and thus not
having the necessity to project the undesirable ones out on other people.
Within us we are all people... all people out there are reflections of
some part of ourselves!
Once we have accepted the disowned parts then we can act through true
choice rather than knee-jerk reactions to others.
...jacqueline
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:52:43 -0400
From: Gabrielle Kortsch <gabrielle.kortschATnospamworldnet.att.net>
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This is for the person with Crohn's Disease; I'm afraid I did not read
about it until I read Ruth Trible's post.
Two years ago I met a Canadian lady who had had a very debilitating form of
Crohn's for many years, and was eventually cured (before I met her) by
means of a form of spiritual healing called "linking", which her husband
now practices.
At any rate, and for your information, if anyone wishes further input,
please email me privately and I'll try to get her permission to pass the
info on, so she can inform you personally.
Peace and light,
Gabrielle
What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a
butterfly. Richard Bach
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:41:29
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Hello Ron,
Where there integrity and inertia, for me there is a need of a ethical
code to act in some harmony. Humanity is the last centuries, build the
individual, it needed an ethical code to act in society, in the process.
Now we have the rights of man, etc., not yet fully implemented I must
say, but the idea is still well based in human consciousness. The next
step for us, I think, is reintegrating individual consciousness to the
humanity consciousness. It's up yo us to find this path. After that
humanity will be able to jump to a cosmic consciousness, and then,
after, fully grab, in this world the consciousness of God.
When we had no technologies, the code of ethic was very different than
today, where you can kill from a distance, with a gun, without feeling
the blood poor on you. When some will be able to kill just by looking at
someone else an another kind of ethics will have to come out. On what
will it be based, I don't know, but respect of our new integrity will
have to be part of it, I think.
Before people identified moere to just what was in their body, they
where apart from the rest of the world, more and more an individual
comes to feel that meost of what he feels and thinks comes from de
community, the humanity and other dimensions of life. One is All... In
the deffinition off integrety we will have to take account off that, as
we are starting to do with notions like ecologie.
Antoine
Ron Harrow wrote:
> To all, thank you for sharing your thoughts on good and evil. I have
> noticed that people on this list have hearts that have much greater
> love, compassion and understanding than most other people. Do you
> think
> this is related to kundalini. Is having a compassionate and loving
> heart a factor leading to kundalini, a result of kundalini or just
> coincidentally?
>
> I am in search of path to walk down through life, one that is ethical.
>
> Many people don't have to give much original thought to this. This
> get
> all their "rules of behavior" from some book (e.g., the Bible, the
> Koran, etc.). I'm compelled to seek truth on my own. This list has
> been an oasis for me. A place to rest and receive encouragement and
> new
> insights.
>
> Many of you who responded to my first query, expressed the opinion
> that
> good and evil are more or less relative terms. If that's so, then
> what
> compass do you use? How do you know when you're on the path and when
> you're straying from it? Is there a universal ethical path or are all
>
> paths relative, and what's right and wrong for me is not necessarily
> the
> same for you? And if the latter is the true situation, then how do we
>
> all hold together in a civilized society?
>
> Ron
--
Antoine Carré
http://www.concentric.net/~acarre/
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:34:23 -0400
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Ron Harrow wrote....
<<Many of you who responded to my first query, expressed the opinion that
good and evil are more or less relative terms. If that's so, then what
compass do you use?
I use my own judgement - maybe that is not quite the politically correct
word to use on this forum, but right now, I cannot think of a better
word. I don't see things so much anymore as good/evil or right/wrong,
but what is good and right for me (my boundary lines).... I have a hard
enough time figuring out this for myself to have to worry these days
about whether someone else is right or wrong or good or bad. My compass
then would be, 'does this bring me joy?' 'is this right for me?' or
when faced with a toss-up choice, 'which would be the more valuable, ie.
helpful, to me and to everyone involved?' By asking mySelf these
questions, I will get an answer.
Hey if you cannot trust your own Self by now, who can you trust? Just
cause someone else says something is wrong, doesn't make it wrong. It
just makes it wrong for them. Does it feel wrong/evil to you? Or are
you hearing *old tapes* of someone else running through your mind?
I was recently speaking to a guy I had just met, and he complimented my
car and its color. He said he had a new car also that he had only but a
few months, and then in a complaining voice said 'BUT it is black and I
just can't stand it!' He went on bitching about it for around 10
minutes, and I just looked at him and said, 'who in the world have you
been talking to that hates the color of your car?' He looked at me
dumbfounded like he didn't know what I was talking about. I asked, 'did
you buy the car yourself?' He said yes. I said, 'and didn't you just
love everything, including the color, when you picked it out?' and he
said yes. So, again, I asked, 'who is it in your life that does not like
your car?' and he replied, 'my girlfriend.' So I reminded him of how
much he loved the car when he first got it, and just cause she doesn't
like it, doesn't make it bad. It just means that she doesn't like it.
and that doesn't mean that he doesn't have to like it! anyways, he got
it on a whole 'nother level I believe. Old tapes - bah! (probably 8
tracks - get rid of em)
<< How do you know when you're on the path and when you're straying from
it?>>
Again, my compass is 'am I happy?' If not, I take the time to
contemplate, 'what is the truth here?' (the truth being the more
enjoyable path).... When you discover the truth, the truth will set you
free! When you are free! you are happy... (and then the miracles can
occur)
Remember my posting of a few months past, when I admitted to many a
things about myself and mainly about giving up the word 'should' and the
little devil & angel on my shoulders (I kicked them out of my life to the
best of my ability LOL)? Well I had contemplated before this posting for
a couple of days about *having* to go to work when I really didn't want
to at this time in my life for various reasons. I was sure I would go
through my fear to the truth of the matter and come out somehow and be ok
with having to go back to work. But something amazing occurred! What
truth I came up with after pondering so long was that, I really didn't
want to go to work! so simple. So I faced that truth, and casted my
cares to my Self/God/Whoever wanted to listen and said, 'here's the truth
- now its your problem!' I got up at that time and wrote my silly little
posting (which brought favorable & unfavorable reviews). The next day
after 'casting my cares' and admiting the truth and my posting, I
received a letter telling me that my son and I would be financially
supported via my ex's death benefits, which were totally unexpected! And
making a lot more money monthly than I ever could working a full time
position. I sat down and cried for most the afternoon. Some may say it
was just a coincidence (LOL!).... The truth really does set you free.
<< Is there a universal ethical path or are all paths relative, and
what's right and wrong for me is not necessarily the same for you? >>
I think that whatever you think will be true for you.
<<And if the latter is the true situation, then how do we all hold
together in a civilized society?>>
With joy, love, faith, charity, forgiveness, and acceptance. Those
ripples go a long way...
Amore',
xxxtg
''The many truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view."
-Ben Kenobi from 'Return of the Jedi'
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:15:13 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <3429E551.3155ATnospammail.snet.net>
jh2owbmATnospammoa.net (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> But the ego and mind sometimes have
> strands that are made of iron. The trick is to not use force to break that
> iron and this is something I often have a difficult time in remembering.
Awareness is heat.
Melt the iron.
The mind is like a room full of out of control children.
You have to find each one,
And give to them love.
Until you've found every last one,
With awareness,
And then you shall be free.
Blessings
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:18:17 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "shane (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <34297588.3499ATnospamintercomm.com>
shane (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria: May I thank you for your wonderful, clear well thought our
> reply to Ron Harrow (RE: Good & Evil and Kundalini). I really appreciate
> your post and I really thank you that now I will not feel a need to spend
> four hours composing a reply. You said it SO well.
>
> If anyone reading this is truly having difficulty with these issues,
> if any one out there is starting to veer towards situational ethics, if
> anyone out there is experiencing difficulty knowing how to conduct oneself
> in the the general area of "moral ethics", I strongly suggest that you
> start listening to Dr. Laura. I assure you she will remove some of your
> confusion. Her work was highlighed recently in a magazine, "What Is
> Enlightenment?"
>
> Enjoy your day.
HI,
I have heard Dr. Laura, and so often individuals think it doesn't make
any difference when it comes to moral issues. I have a friend who pretty
much lived life according to what felt good, to go inside to directly
relate with God one has very high standards of behavior, and when it
isn't there the struggle naturally occurs until the realization comes
in. Those on the spiritual path soon learn you don't get away with
anything with spirit. In fact all the commandments are in tact with
love thy neighbor as thyself being the spiritual law for working out of
the heart center. That is why self discipline is so important. Gloria
>
>
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