1997/09/14 13:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #445
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 445
Today's Topics:
Charity - Give 'em a choice
Re: Charity
Re: Charity
what is happening to us explained
new member
Re: charity
Hiya: I'm back..
Dis and Dat
Re: what is happening to us explained
Re: Piercing the Eyes
Re: Kundalini or Dough?
Re: Charity
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 01:04:53 -0700
From: Rik Wallace <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) (by way of ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>)
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Charity - Give 'em a choice
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I believe greatest gift we can ever offer anyone at any
particular moment is neither 'what they want' nor
'what we think they need more,' but rather A CHOICE,
and the means to decide for themselves.
Make your own choice:
1) You need a fish. I could give you a fish, but you may gain
nothing else from my charity. If that is what you'd like,
I'd be glad to give you a fish, b/c I can get many more
from where that came.
2) If you would like to know how I obtained it, I could
not only explain - I could show you how to fish, so that you
can obtain as many as you like on your own, as I do.
However, fishing will require some time and effort on your
part, and you may not be interested in this if it conflicts
with your lifestyle. In that case, I'd be happy to grant you
a fish.
....................................................
Symbolic questions you may wish answer for yourself:
*How often and in what respects do I actually 'go fishing'
when I want 'fish'?
*How would I react if the 'store clerk' refused to let me 'buy a
fish' and insisted that I buy their 'fishing course'?
*How would I react if the 'store clerk' let me 'buy a fish' and then
tried to 'upsell' me with his course offering?
*What would be an ideal 'sales approach' in this situation that
would get me interested in the course?
Our attitudes towards "charity" and other issues of trade and
balance may be found in these questions, and others you may come
up with yourself. I invite your self-reflections to the list
and to my personal email. I'm finding these questions very helpful
in clarifying my own issues in many key areas of my life.
-Yrixz <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:58:25 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Charity
Message-ID: <341C25C1.1FDFATnospamdial.pipex.com>
tg xxx wrote:
> I've just had a few thoughts tho..... As a student of A Course in
> Miracles, it states that 'unasked' for advice is advice for yourself (we
> teach in order to learn). That a better way would be to 'accept what
> you have already learned' and live it. A true teacher demonstrates and
> shares, rather than giving unasked for advice, which would keep you in
> the student position. I realize that ACIM is not your path, but that
> statement, to me, does make sense.
It makes perfect sense. Also consider:
Do you remember the joke about the priest in the flood. The water is on
the ground floor and a dingy comes by. 'Get in the dingy Father'. The
Priest declines saying, 'save others, I trust in God'. A little while
later the water is now half way up the first floor of the house. He is
asked to get in. Again the Priest declines saying, 'save others, I trust
in God'. Finally he is on the roof and a helicopter flies by. Again he
tells the rescuer, 'save others, I trust in God'. He is drowned and goes
to Heaven. In the presence of God he says, 'I trusted in you Lord, why
did you not save me?' and God says, 'I sent two boats and a helicopter.
What more do you want?'
The point is sometimes a more active form of sharing is required. We do
not have to just await Gods mercy but can take an active vehicle to
salvation (it was a Christian joke - so I use Christian terminology).
When people are on a spiritual forum, that has a different imperative.
By the action of being here, they are asking for a more active form of
evolution and some will - to the best of their abilities - provide this.
If they have genuine knowledge and wisdom to share (rather than fantasy
and self-delusion) then people will gain. Part of the task is to expose
the spurious. However it is up to people to see what is real and what is
fantasy for themself. I am not concerned with being right or wrong,
being thought well of or badly of (if I am wrong and people see this -
they can point it out - their understanding maybe of much use). I am
concerned with peoples ability to develop the capacity for understanding
what is genuine to their progress and what is fantasy and illusion.
Now I do not claim to be better, more enlightened, nicer or anything
other than what I am. I offer what I know. I make judgements about what
is right, real, fantasy, delusion and I will be judged likewise. I can
be wrong. I can make mistakes. To say it is all OK and we can learn from
everything is true but there is little purpose in making mistakes that
are unneeded. If you want to make mistakes, follow anything and
everything - you will indeed eventually learn. What you will learn is
somethings bring you closer to the Real and some do not.
> I guess what I am trying to say is that I am having difficulty with your
> words 'offering advice', rather than 'sharing your experiences'. Maybe
> they are just semantics, or maybe we are just on a different pathway.
It is semantics. I do not set myself above. Any knowledge I have is
based on experience, just as your knowing is based on yours. When you
ask questions - is it not me also that learns? So do not be obsessed
with who is giving and who taking advice. Advice is presented. Advice is
accepted or rejected. We can learn from the procedure. We are all,
always learning.
> I will ponder on your thought... "If you can focus on aspects of a
> persons limitations (because you once had them) and offer advice that
> will lead them forward, then it may be considered paternalistic to do so
> but they if genuinely concerned with
> you will also focus on your real needs and limitations and offer the same
> to you..."
>
> I just have to look at this to see if this is what I want receive (should
> I give it).....
Of course it is right to gently point out peoples limitations (and I am
accused - quite rightly of not being gentle). What you mean is we should
not impinge on peoples right to make their own choices? Again the
choices people make will effect us and others. Therefore because we are
interconnected; more so in coming together in this way, it would not be
in the best interests of the whole, to allow others to influence or
distort things in a way that impedes peoples growth.
That is why I am sometimes 'cruel' and 'sharp' with people. If this
comes from a need to belittle or restrict them, so I might feel superior
(a natural tendency), then this is cowardly and contemptible.
Recently I accused Joe Flarity of just 'being along for the ride'. He
did not rise to the bait (as he should not) but was kind and considerate
in his response (as he should be). Now who is the learner and who the
teacher?
> One more thought tho.... wouldn't it be better to 'give' to another the
> knowledge that they are right where they are supposed to be for their own
> evolvement and that you trust in them that they will get through whatever
> it is they are going through and be better for it. In turn, that would
> give us the same.
Do you really believe that. Do you think it is all evolution? Do you
think it is right to say - 'of course it is your destiny to be a
murderer - if you feel the need to do more - please know that we love
you and it is all in the plan of Goddess'? This might be considered
great compassion and hold great truth - 'everything is fine'.
My approach is slightly different. I am not concerned with what a person
has done but if they come my way I will try and encourage them to move
forward. Negativity has to be refined. One of the Tibetan Buddhist
Saints was a mass murderer but he was educated out of this position. So
if you are a mass murderer, you are welcome here - you have as much
potential as anyone else, in some ways you may have very useful
qualities that can be worked with :) It is also possible for advanced
souls to behave in sometimes unusual ways but if that unusual way
seduces them, they have been lost in the technique.
> I have the utmost respect your postings and knowledge you have given the
> list, and I have to admit, that I have been having a difficult time with
> your dialogues with Angelique. I am not saying you are wrong -- I'm
> merely trying to understand them.
>
> Anyway, thank you for helping me look at this differently. It gives me a
> different angle to look at I hadn't saw before.
Angelique is very sweet and has many fine qualities. Sometimes other
negative and delusional parts need dealing with. I hope people will
forgive the arrogance in me that assumes it is my resposibility to do
this (self righteous cructacean that I am). We all have such negative
tendencies and are (or should be) greatful when our ego and illusions
are exposed.
My way is live and Learn. We let something be as long as it does not
interfere with others potential. I know this process is not always
pleasant to watch but we can all gain from it. This process is very much
an 'intereference' with peoples 'right' to be whatever they want. They
*can* be whatever they want. There are consequences of being a 'lobster'
and of being a 'goddess'. For instance on another forum it is being
hotly debated whether or not I am a "Servant of Darkness". Could be >:-)
You will have to use your own light and make up your own mind . . .
Peace and Blessings to All
Lobster
A R C
Lobster playground . . .
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/index.html
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Charity
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At 10:58 AM 9/14/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
>I hope people will
>forgive the arrogance in me that assumes it is my resposibility to do
>this (self righteous cructacean that I am). We all have such negative
>tendencies and are (or should be) greatful when our ego and illusions
>are exposed.
> This process is very much
>an 'intereference' with peoples 'right' to be whatever they want. They
>*can* be whatever they want. There are consequences of being a 'lobster'
>and of being a 'goddess'. For instance on another forum it is being
>hotly debated whether or not I am a "Servant of Darkness". Could be >:-)
>You will have to use your own light and make up your own mind . . .
There is something to be said for a person who will not reveal much about
themselves
but
does somehow know what is right for so many others.
& there is something to be said for a person who will not reveal much about
themselves
but
does not mind others doing so,
and
does not mind talking about others in the personal way he so avoids
discussing himself.
Yes, there is definitely something to be said about this...
just what it is I am not sure...
M
PS It is ALL ego illusion - imho. Some illusions are just more fun than
others and some are kinder than others, etc.
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Subject: what is happening to us explained
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An earlier post from Ruth lead me to this site, and then I found this
article. I thought it a great comfort as well as inspiring and informative.
http://www.nitehawk.com/daydove/25metatr.html
M
I want more information from this source but have not been able to find any.
If you know of any other writings by the Gilmores and Metatron, please post.
The article is very complete, I'd just like an update or something.
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:50:26
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: new member
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>Return-Path:Forwarded Anonymously.
>From: Anon.
>To: <kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com>
>Subject: new member
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:35:18 -0400
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>Hi Richard,
>I am a newly subscribed member and would like to express my
>appreciation for what you have achieved. In following the
>conversation, however, I am wondering whether it would be
>timely or appropriate to post my experience with Kundalini.
>
>I did already send it to the list but do not believe it was posted
>since a copy did not appear in my inbox. If such is the case, I
>would prefer the opportunity to post it anonymously and include
>it herewith, to be posted when you think it is appropriate.
>
>In fact, if you are open to discussing it, I would like to share the
>idea of starting an anonymous sub-list where people can deal
>with thoughts as thoughts rather than expressions of ego, which
>persons names refer to. I believe it might reduce the tendency
>for personal attacks, defensiveness, judgmentalism, and self-
>righteousness. It could lead to a more harmonious, collective
>mind that would be uplifting to us all. Anon.
>--------------
>My experience with Kundalini:
>
>Like some others who have had the K experience, I was unaware of what
>was happening at the time. The moment of release actually lifted me off
>my seat onto the floor; a series of powerful magnetic waves rising through
>me literally knocked me off my butt. I had the feeling of purification, of
>being reborn.
>
>For several months thereafter I "floated" through the streets of San
Francisco
>filled with joy and love, having numerous, luminous and humorous
experiences.
>No, it was not sex, acid, or any drug. I called the experience
"Transactional
>Meditation" since it involved a meditative transaction with a lady friend.
>
>Not knowing what had happened to me at the time, I was not prepared to orient
>myself appropriately, and soon allowed my old sex tapes to replay
themselves.
>I returned to where I was before K, yet realizing I had had a very
significant
>experience that transcended sex. I began playing the Transactional
Meditation
>card at every inopportunity. It didn't work because of built in expectations
>that would overwhelm and frighten any potential partner. For a good while
>I was trapped between promiscuity and a depressing emptiness.
>
>Step by step, due to a growing interest in Zen, I moved away from the
>promiscuity to a heads on encounter with the "emptiness". I developed a
>process for 'self-harmony and balance', realizing that "emptiness" really
was
>a place of purification from materialism, duality, and conditioned
identity. I
>only had to overcome the fear and the seeming remoteness of it. The process
>involved a series of brief plunges into the "void" with increasingly lasting
>effects of "Presence" and being in the "now".
>
>At one point I became effective at spiritual healing but, seeing how people
>returned to their old patterns, felt that true healing essentially came from
>within the self and by the self. This realization served me well in dealing
>with my own malaise.
>
>Recently I have became aware of the aesthetic "fine-tuning" factor which
>brings one's fragmented perceptions into harmony and balance, into
>quantum wholes; experiencing the unity and interconnection of all
>things, the symbolic interplay between the mundane and the Divine
>becomes apparent, increasing appreciation and creativity of both.
>
>Words only words. Can one really comprehend another's experience?
>What is my destination or have I already arrived?
>
>Joy and Love to all.
>
>
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Swami Beyondananda on the Golden Rule: "It seems that when
masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they
become sadists," the Swami said. "Consequently, the Golden Rule
has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:54:07
From: "Tom n' Lisa" <efs2dayATnospampe.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: charity
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true charity does not seek control, or it becomes a selfish act of
mans desire to feel superior to man. There is only one superior,
truely charitable being
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:08:04
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hiya: I'm back..
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Hiya:
I'm back... didja miss me? I missed y'all.
Some more than others..
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not seen them show up on the list? My server ate them.. please resend.
Many thanks to Ori^ for forwarding posts in the meantime.
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:59:21 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Dis and Dat
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My dear Kundalini list having little squabbles.. Oh NO! Of all my lists I
was so happy to see that this list stayed away from flames and back
stabbing... and now we have it here. I thought that this was the domain of
the EGO and a sure sign of going downhill on the spiritual path.
Can we get on track, irregardless of who is making money on this list..
though I have no idea how such a thing is possible...! The contributors
who write in have, up to this point, been focused on the serious issues of
the Kundalini.. which inspite of what some may think.. is a transcendent
and highly valued and esteemed GIFT for which we should all be on our
knees in gratitude to have known. Let us focus on the transcendent or we
might as well let the little grey men walk into our bodies and take over
the planet --something they are trying to do as we speak. If we cannot be
above pettiness and ego here.. then I think their opinion of us as "empty
vessels" could be justified.**
RAISING the Kundalini - I repeat.. is not about using your power to zap
and conquer.. but about healing and love...about infusing light into the
3rd dimensional body.. about evolution ...not impressing people.
--------
On an issue of late there has been talk about giving people what they NEED
not wht they WANT. This is a much more complex issue than these words
would imply.
If one looks through the eyes of a being of advanced understanding... who
can read auras, see a person's karma and know the higher self of the
person.. one might "read" the soul's need rather than the personality's
need and give that. The personality then would feel upset that it was
getting wht it felt it did not want...but that is because for most persons
the soul and personality have different goals.
So where is the free will choice.. in this? Is it the free choice of the
ego/personality to choose badly inspite of its higher self?
Or is it the free will choice of the SOUL to choose a higher path inspite
of its lower focused personality? HMMM>. thoughtful questions!
Then the questions of paternalistic behavior become more complex. I
believe that my teacher and his mantra turned me around 180* from where I
was headed as a personlity, because I was very much "implanted" or
conditioned by my upbringing to think and act within certain perameters.
He sort of slapped me up side of the head and forced me to find my soul's
path which I committed to before birth. He gave me what I needed, and not
at all that I would have wanted. Yet now I see this, I bow with gratitude
for he restored me from a lost waif. I believe that this is a teacher's
job to set us in line with the highest part ofourselves..andthat we as
poor delusional beings are not in a position to judge that at the
time...in some cases. The trick is finding the teacher who is clear enough
to set us straight for OUR path and not the teacher's path. That is where
discriminnation and good karma come in. The best guru does not expect to
stick around you... but will let you go when you get established on the
path to your highest goal.
-------- Gotta add my two cents.. still in personality here...
Angelique, why must you be so personal in attacking Lobster and others
(Gloria) about their contributions to the list? They both give extremely
valuable advice and input.. with a lot of heart and goodness. Many people
agree with their advice, so when you attack them, you attack many more
who do not speak up. Why would you do this when your role is not to
"control" the list but to "monitor" isn't it?
In the beginning when you sent me the information about the list
I read it through and noted that it was repeatedly stated that people with
good suggestions and who could really help others did not stay on the
list very long. I can see why if you keep asking them to leave for not
agreeing with you...while you assert over and over that you want everyone
to be free to express themselves. You cannot have it all ways.. either you
allow them to disagree with you and you swallow it or accept it as shadow
to yourself to be faced and acknowledged, or you just have a list for
yourself and your little pet people...who will never disagree with you.
What do you really and truly want? Ha Ha... Square one again.. shall we
give you what you want or what you NEED?
It makes you very human to be thus... much like the rest of us.
Welcome to the earth plane.
Ruth
******
Everytime one realizes something of the truth, there is a dance in the
heart. The heart is the only testimony for the truth. (Osho)
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Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:37:51 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: what is happening to us explained
Message-Id: <199709141937.PAA25909ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
I read the article at the website
http://www.nitehawk.com/daydove/25metatr.html
In many ways this is similar to other materials of a channeled nature which
i have read
in the past....the works of Mark and Elizabeth Clare Prophet come to mind.
I do not
accept or reject information of this nature. I have read channeled
materials in the past
with a great deal of interest, as if looking for something which i would
recognize upon
seeing, and i continue to do so. Up to now i have not found whatever it is
i am looking
for (something that really rings of truth) in this sort of material. While
many of the
ideas expressed are commendable, i have a problem figuring out how to apply
it to my life in practical way.For example....just how do i do this.....
" Create a life without a need for defense or violence,
without a need for political polarity, without the need for welfare
programs,
and without the need for treatment of disease. Create your lives as a world
of
peace, joy, security, and equality."
For myself, at this time, i feel more comfortable working along the lines
of traditions
that are well established such as Yoga and certain schools of Buddhism,
where i am
pointed in a direction where i can experience for myself some progress
which can
take me in the direction of such ideals. Still there is a part of me that
seems to long
for a new world religion....one that would unite us all and serve as a
vehicle for
spiritual progress....so i continue to read any new stuff that
appears...still searching.
In the information from the channeled entity Metatron there is reference to
7 Cities of
Light established in North America. There is reference to one near Detroit,
which is
an area not too far from me where i have previously lived. I'd be
interested in the
exact location of this City of Light....as it cannot be both slightly North
and West of
Detroit and on the border of the US and Canada (as stated in the post at
the website)....but assuming it is there somewhere....if i went there would
i feel anything
different? If i meditated there, would my meditation take on a different
quality from
meditating in my room? If so, i would be interested in checking it out. I
would also
like to know exactly where in Missouri the gates to the Garden of Eden have
been
relocated, and where in southern Oklahoma Avalon has been moved to. If in
visiting
these sites some sort of subtle difference could be detected, it would lend
some
credibility to claims of this nature.
When Metatron refers to the ships Athena and New Jerusalem.....is he
talking about
spaceships or something highly symbolic? Hope we're not moving towards
Heaven's
Gate here. Anybody know anything more about this?
Just trying to keep an open mind,
Rick
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:20:38
From: "Spiral" <spiral-3ATnospamworldnet.att.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Piercing the Eyes
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Hi Ruth,
This has happened to me on several occasions, and it seems to accompany
clearance of blockages in the heart chakra. Don't ask me why.
Spiral
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Ruth Trimble wrote:
>but in the
> midst of this I felt my eyes being pierced by the Kundalini. It is a
very
> strange feeling.. like a thin needle.. and I felt them drawn upwards into
> my head and a lot of energy was discharged. This weekend I developed a
> sort of red tinge to one eye with a slight bruising ... and it shows no
> signs of leaving after 3 days. Any suggestions..? I figure it is some
> latent problem being cleansed. The vision is normal. I just look as if
I
> have cried for a week!
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:32:21
From: "Tom n' Lisa" <efs2dayATnospampe.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini or Dough?
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YOU WAKE UP YOU DO YOUR BEST YOU FEEL INEPT YOU GO BACK TO BED
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:03:33 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Charity
Message-ID: <341C4315.6D90715FATnospambluewin.ch>
M wrote:
> There is something to be said for a person who will not reveal much
> about
> themselves
> but
> does somehow know what is right for so many others.
>
> & there is something to be said for a person who will not reveal much
> about
> themselves
> but
> does not mind others doing so,
> and
> does not mind talking about others in the personal way he so avoids
> discussing himself.
>
> Yes, there is definitely something to be said about this...
>
> just what it is I am not sure...
>
What are you not revealing? :))
Dialog the Internet way reveals what is chosen by the participants to
reveal. But what is _not_ revealed is also part of the message.
Dialog, without the proximity to observe the silence between sentences,
the tone of voice, the speed of speech, the body language, is of a
different quality than the face-to-face dialog on which we were weaned.
As such, it provides us with a vehicle for exploration of a different
perspective.
Discussing oneself can be done using direct words about oneself, true.
But it is also done indirectly in any dialog by what is revealed _and_
what is not revealed. This occurs whether through a puppet called
Zympht or M on the Internet, or with one's full faculties of voice and
body.
Directly: if you want someone to discuss himself directly, perhaps a
direct question to that person is in order. He will choose to answer
publicly or privately and in doing either will reveal a vehicle for
exploration to himself, you and others. This is, perhaps, ultimately to
everyone's benefit and so charitable.
> M
>
> PS It is ALL ego illusion - imho. Some illusions are just more fun
> than
> others and some are kinder than others, etc.
Ego is unavoidable, therefore we should seek the refinement of its
expression. Fun and kindness are wonderful expressions and so there's
something to be said for you! Just exactly what, I'm not sure . .
. :))!
Directly and Indirectly,
Zympht.
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