1997/09/08 08:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #437
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 437
Today's Topics:
Too much Persephone(DI), not enough Hecate(TERESA).
Resending: Kundalini or Suicidal?#00
Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Re: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
further thoughts on Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Reply to Sharon
Re: Of Love we Speak
Re:Of Love we speak
RE M.S.
Re: Kundalini or Suicidal?
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Re: Interesting Dream
Re: Kundalini or Suicidal?
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:51:50
From: brEYEnPR0stir <wakemupATnospameskimo.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Too much Persephone(DI), not enough Hecate(TERESA).
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(^ah, but where, when, and who will play the role of Hades?
(^are ther any other fables out there about forcing humans into mythical rolls
(^and then getting pissed when they don't stick to the format?
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:53:55
From: brEYEnPR0stir <wakemupATnospameskimo.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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(^sent this out earlier... didn't see it post..
(^sorry if there's a duplicate coming out . but I felt THIS was worth
(^repeating..
( ***List Mystress comments: The original is marked redirected in my
inbox, but it never showed.. Dunno why. thanks for resending*****)
Michelle ("m>") wrote.. brEYEn("(^") shifted.. so? what can I say?
(^ I don't know what to tell you..giving up past hope for death
(^seemed to be my key past the crisis section of waking up.
m>My question is whether this could be a kundalini experience
m>or does he need professional help or both?
>
(^"professional" may be a misleading term.
(^YOU may need back-up support to cope with the nurturing tress overload,
(^ but a hired gun therapist may just chalk the whole thing up
(^ to chronic depression and hand out happy pills.
(^I'm sure others on this list (in an older body bracket)
(^can and will give you more insight than I, but at the tender age of 35,
(^I can still relate and empathise with the both of you.
(^for a year, I "took care of" (yeah, right) an 85 year old woman.
(^she has arterial arthritis: the cartilage in her spine deteriorating.
(^one of the reasons I could cope with her ranting paranoia
(^that I was trying to kill her, was that I, too, needed help
(^against my will at one point.
(^I've been in most (not all ) of the conditions mentioned ,
(^or coped with caring for someone else in the midst of it.
(^especially these parts:
m> Now he talks about "entities" he has become sensitive to in
m>our house which cause him to "double talk himself" or tell him to "do it".
(^..yes.. I still have them around.
(^they've become my close friends, now. I call them "characters"
(^but in 92-95 I lived in a state of continual nervous depression ,
(^feeling I was a burden to those I love. I wanted..OUT!!
m> He has talked about death a lot recently,
m>although he hasn't actually talked about killing himself.
(^but those voices? they kept poking at me.. claiming I wasn't going
(^to be ALLOWED to die(let alone kill myself)
(^ until I'd accomplished some amorphus task that I
(^ was supposed to start before I get to..." move on ".
m> The other night he started beating the chair and when I ask him
m> what was going on, he said the "entity" would leave him alone
m> if he got angry.
(^that sounds like an exactly quoted dialog between my mother + I in '95.
(^impish, brutish cajolingly spirits trying to get me up off my "poor me"
butt.
(^funny.. My mother kind of wanted me confined to bedrest where she
(^could inadvertently milk me to death with the motherlove of human kindness.
m>He talks to himself and laughs at nothing.
(^yes... I STILL do that... but now I get paid to.
(^ghost writting.
(^strange are the things movies are made of...
m>He has nightmares almost every night and wakes up
m> to "see persons" trying to kill him.
(^sounds painful to have to be there for. You are very strong.
(^each person's lexicon is different.
(^for me, death has always ment a time to change.
(^DRASTIC change. gut-wrenching letting go of
(^past wishes that obviously need to be altered
(^or let go of completely.
(^when I've too firmly believed that life wasn't worth living,
(^one teen-ager came up to me and said,
(^"..Brian.. give up.. It's too hard."
(^..and another friend of his looked at me,
(^musing, stoned out of his gourd, and said,
(^" If you THINK you can't, you surely WON'T.."
(^now, I don't know why I wrote those two quotes down.
(^maybe because that second one, dirrectly on the heels of
(^the first, pissed me off right out of my meditative malaise
(^and out onto a hitch-hike across the country road trip that lasted a year.
(^laughing at all the folks from my past that were terrified
(^ that I was going to get myself killed doing this,
(^and wondering how on earth they could live with themselves.
(^crazy? oh, yes. but happily so.
(^I COULD have stayed still and become miserably sane.
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:34:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Lisa Mays <amaysdATnospamworldnet.att.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
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Lisa,
I can relate to most of what you say (I am very happy to say God has been
more subtle and gentle with me) including the smoking. When I finally did
it, it was so much easier than I ever thought it could be. So easy, I think
I'll take it up again when I'm 80 or so, unless by that time finding
cigarettes is like trying to get cocaine or something equally illegal today.
By that time it will not be a God substitute for me but just an occasional
pleasure.
I do seem to have had to give up everything and everyone, and - double
yikes!! - food and sleep appear to be next on the list. If it is as easy as
cigarettes, it shouldn't be too bad. Then again, maybe I'll just stop using
them as God substitutes.
Have you tried asking and telling God to give you a break? It really works
for me.
Hope this helps.
M
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:07:34 -0400
From: SpiritDeeATnospamwebtv.net (DEE B)
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Dear Angelique,
Sometimes i don't receive the entire postings. I'm interested in reading
#436, only the first posting came through to me. Your help is
appreciated.
Bright blessings,
Dee
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Lisa Mays <amaysdATnospamworldnet.att.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: further thoughts on Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
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Lisa,
I am thinking about your situation still. I recall a passage from one of
Glenn Morris Ninja Master books. I'll try to find the page ## and such but
it could take weeks. Anyway Morris got a talking to by 'God' and he just
shouted back and said I don't believe you, get out or prove it, etc.
The voice demured and said, well ok then, I am a 5,000 yr old warrior who is
now your spirit guide. Ha!! Go away!!! says Morris.
Then the voice admits to being his Higher Self. Ok, says our hero, I accept
your help now that it is aboveboard but you must know that if anything is to
be done the two of us will have to decide and agree together I am not the
dictates from on high bow down type and I ain't gonna just disapper 'cause
you showed up.
It was funny...
also it is another approach you might try.
M
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 17:24:37
From: Inge Gohlke <ingeATnospamviptx.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Reply to Sharon
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Dear Sharon,
Thank you very much for responding.
I am still not sure what happened while on the bio-feedback machine, or
what cycles per seconds my brain waves were recorded. I only know that I
saw many times before that swirling nebulae, purple, black and an ugly
mustard color, which I was told were toxins, leaving my body.
I did not see before what I saw that day, this beautifully pulsating horn
of plenty, moving upward on this brilliantly pulsating black background, or
felt so differently afterwards. It was a totally new experience.
You write and I quote:" I believe they occur in a very low alpha state (
which is just above theta ) When the alpha state dips down into theta, the
sharp clear visions occur instantly." Unquote.
As I understand, our brain waves go from beta ( real every day world ) to
delta
( relaxing ) to theta ( peak creativity and meditation )
Thank you again for trying to explain.
Inge
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 17:28:08
From: Nancy <NancyATnospammagiccity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Of Love we Speak
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Lisa Mays (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> What I don't understand and what I needed to talk to you all about is
> your experiences and to relieve some of the loneliness I have felt this
> past year. How can I be close to anyone? I love people and now I feel
> like this leopard. "Hi! Wanna go to the movies? Oh, by the way.....I
> hear God voice and sometimes you'll catch me talking to myself only I'm
> not talking to myself , it's me talking to God." Yes, I would
> definitely want to date me.
Dear Lisa,
You have mentioned your lonlieness. Sometimes when we experience
transformation in our lives, those who were part of our "old" life are
no longer appropriate. You express reluctance to even develop
relationships because of your fear of being thought of as crazy. My
suggestion is to find some really cool new friends who like the fact
that you talk to God.
If you are with more "normal" people can you refrain from speaking out
loud? Can you communicate with God telepathically so as to not
intimidate others? Can you write down your answers?
>God always talks of how "His Children's" thinking is the cause of all
>their troubles. That "thinking" or the Mind, is a tricky thing that
> seeks to feel "in control" of things when in fact He is in absolute
> control of all things. This is SO painful to me. That if God is in
> control of all things, them I am furious with Him. Why all the pain and
> suffering? What about the poor or homeless? What about the history of
> life and all the misery? This has, by far, been the greatest pain I've
> experienced in my life. Hearing God talk of such things has broken my
> heart into a million pieces everyday since.
>
> I don't mean to write so much the very first time that I introduce
> myself and my process but as you can see I've been desperate to talk to
> you all. I didn't know you were here and have been going through all
> this alone. You can't imagine my feelings of relief .
>
> Although our experiences are all different and obviously they are meant
> to be, please try and listen with an open heart to mine. Because it has
> been too harsh. But, I hope for a good reason. I do know and can
> explain it by writing that God is, He says, teaching me to love
> myself/Him, teaching me to love my heart and teaching me to live
> correctly.
>
> Just writing about it has given me some peace.
>
> Thank You,
> Lisa
Perhaps this is my own limitation, but I don't understand how you cannot
have any say in what's happening in your life. One of the gifts of life
is free will.
I believe my spiritual awakening began in 1989 when I heard some Brian
Tracey tapes, The Psychology of Achievement. The catalyst for me were
the words, I am responsible. I am responsible for anything that goes on
in my life. Even if I protest, I am responsible. So if I am responsible,
how can I be conscious?
I've had devestating experiences myself over the past year. (At least
they seem devestating from my human perspective!) A spiritual counselor
I consulted described it as a "psychic death". The life I had was
completely turned upside down.
However, I recognize that I was responble. I wasn't conscious of making
a choice, but my "higher self" (what I call my Godness) knew I couldn't
go on with my old way of living. Instead of experiencing a physical near
death, I experienced a death in my identity. I was no longer Nancy a
home owner, Nancy a business owner, Nancy a wife.
My higher self was crying out for me to live more consciously. I
couldn't continue blindly in a marriage or a business. I couldn't
continue living a lie so other people could approve of me. The only way
I would step back and examine these (and other issues) was to have many
traumatic events occur.
I would never consider I was being punished. I think I've just had some
veils ripped from my eyes so I could see more clearly. And I think I was
responsible for the experience.
It's very difficult for me to see God as a being outside of myself. I
view God as the oneness of all. We appear seperate but we're really one.
So it's incomprehendible to imagine God (a being outside of myself)
causing any distress in my life. I know it's my choices that have lead
me to where I am today. And I know that other people have their choices
and sometimes these impact me.
Rather than judging occurrences in my life as good or bad, I'm working
at observing. I have been looking for a job for a couple of months now
and I started freaking out last week because I still didn't have one.
This weekend I recognized that not having a job was a fact. But my
reaction to that occurrence was my choice. I chose to become upset
rather than looking at alternative ways to make money, or finding
temporary work, or asking friends for help. I still fall into wallowing
and anger and depression from time to time, creating much distress in my
life.
But I know in my heart that we are not victims of God. We are beings of
free will. We are responsible. This is my perspective.
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:17:54 -0400
From: Gabrielle Kortsch <gabrielle.kortschATnospamworldnet.att.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Of Love we speak
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At 10:11 PM 9/7/97 +0000, Ruth Trimble wrote: (about Princess Diana and
Mother Theresa)
SNIP
> I feel a planetary aura of great love and kindness with the ascension of
> two great loving, compassionate beings. It is as if they are very much
> active still but everywhere in the ethers.. all around us and still loving
> us as much as ever...and I honor and bow to each of them for an > exemplary
> life of the heart. I feel and take courage in my own heart's power as a
> result of their lives. I too know that the heart is what this planet is
> all about and that very soon now...every one living on it will come to
> realize that true power is in love and not in machines or war, not in
> mind-control or technology. TRUE POWER is in a people who speak > from the
> heart, act from the heart and truly live in the heart.
> This is their legacy, the two Goddesses of compassion.
> I am deeply grateful to them.
I couldn't agree more. Speaking with a friend who called from Cologne early
Friday, hours before the notice of Mother Theresa's death came on CNN, my
friend said she failed to see the esoteric or transcendant if you will,
significance of Diana's death, that it seemed such a waste, so needless,
and although I assured her that I was totally convinced that there was a
farther-reaching reason for this "world" death, I was at a loss as to how
to put it into words.
When, a few short hours after the conversation, CNN announced Mother
Theresa's death, I felt I knew that one of the prime lessons we could take
from this bright light having been snuffed out so early in life, was to
show the world, as Mother Theresa had done throughout her life, that love
is the most important thing of all (wasn't Tony Blair's rendition of the
verse truly magnificent?), and that we must change - each and every one of
us on an individual level - in order to change the world, by putting this
precept - that love is more important than everything else - to work in our
lives and thus in the lives of all those whom we touch, in whatever fashion
that may be.
Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - a common bond - love for others, no
matter who they were, no matter how lowly, how dirty, how ill, how unloved
and how unimportant. They gave of their love, and this is our lesson - we
must learn to do the same.
Peace and light, Gabrielle
What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a
butterfly. Richard Bach
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:51:45 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE M.S.
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Hi to the lady who was speaking about her husband having MS>
For the past year, I have been primary caregiver to my ex-husband who has
had
> Multiple Sclerosis for about 10 years. The past 3 years his illness has
> gotten progressively worse, and he is paralyzed from the waist down and
> sometimes loses control of his hands too.
>>>
Something came to my mind that I had read in Arnold Mindell's work on
"Working with the Dreaming Body." in which the person had MS>
Mindell says on p. 13
"MS is a disease in which the spinal colum slowly deteriorates and
thelimbs gradually weaken. This disease like other diseases, is related to
the individual's psychology. A chronic disease in often a lifelong
problem,a part of someone's individuation process. I don't believe that a
person actually createsdisease, but that his soul is expressing an
important message to him through the disease." Mindell then goes on to
explain how he got the man to walk... it was about control issues. The
man wanted to have so much control of his life.. but his body would be be
controlled. So when he let go this is what he said "Wow, it's amazing, "
he said, "if I let go, I can stand perfectly still." But even after he
had this revelation about wht cause of MS , he still wanted too much
control over his life, so the problem contininued.
I think dear lady, your husband is is own disease and until he chooses to
listen to the lessons in the illness, he will continue to suffer. I do
think a good psychic could clear out some of his ghosts and help.
I would say it is probably karma comingback.. believe me if there are
lifetimes of black magic they can really whack one on the back of he
head.. when they return... like boomerangs... as they inevitably do.
Good luck, Ruth
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 20:29:10 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>" <JLewis7639ATnospamaol.com>
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by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> For the past year, I have been primary caregiver to my ex-husband who has had
> Multiple Sclerosis for about 10 years. The past 3 years his illness has
> gotten progressively worse, and he is paralyzed from the waist down and
> sometimes loses control of his hands too. He battles constant pain and
> depression but refused all medications. He meditates 4-6 or more hours per
> day, listening to music. When he was in the hospital for a year and a half,
> he told me about hearing the nurses' and patient's inner thoughts which were
> all negative. Now he talks about "entities" he has become sensitive to in
> our house which cause him to "double talk himself" or tell him to "do it".
> The other night he started beating the chair and when I ask him what was
> going on, he said the "entity" would leave him alone if he got angry. He
> thinks the entities have control over me too, which cause me to get angry
> with him. He talks to himself and laughs at nothing. He has nightmares
> almost every night and wakes up to "see persons" trying to kill him. He has
> talked about death a lot recently, although he hasn't actually talked about
> killing himself. My question is whether this could be a kundalini experience
> or does he need professional help or both?
>
> Michelle
Michelle,
Is he able to read or communicate through the net? I have a dear friend
with advanced MS also so I am aware of how it goes.
I would not doubt him at all, there are things he can do to detach, it
sounds like he is getting caught up and in the negative energy. I have
worked personally with many people in this, it involves really
connecting up to Divine Will. It sounds like he is pretty angry? Is he?
How is he coping? Has he always been open to hearing and seeing spirit?
What kind of medication? What is his spiritual beliefs?
It is important to neutralize his fear, and we can shut him back down
to this frequency by increasing his vibration in his body. He
desperately needs detachment.
I have a book on detachment that will help. You can write me directly if
you wish. Gloria
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:11:32
From: Rukmini Devi Dharmavijaya <leonardiATnospamcentrin.net.id> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Dear members,
hot energy wave very disturbing before, almost unbearible after joining
Sahaja Yoga it's becoming oke, but still uncomfort. I feel my eye lids
thick & cold in my back lower shoulder blades, after doing S. Yoga.
Thanks alot to all the members of the "kundalini-l" list.
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:23:30 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Brian Reuter (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <BReuterATnospamus.teltech.com>
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Brian Reuter (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> I had a dream last night (Monday) where I was at a Catholic
> church for a wedding rehearsal. I was in the wedding party. While we were
> there, each of us had to meet with the priest privately. When it was my
> turn, I went into the room where the priest was and he happened to be the
> priest at a church I used to go to. He had me sit down across from him and
> started to show me a hand position (mudra?) where my fingers where
> interlaced and my thumbs crossed. He then showed me some chants that he had
> written down a piece of paper next to me. I couldn't get the mudra right so
> he decided to try something else.
Gloria here:
GReat dream Brian, you are meeting your higher self the priest. He is
teaching you to be open to allowing your fingers to move naturally
through the spirit, this will release energy/power...kundalini if you
will to do work inside of the brain and nervous system. Then he teaches
you about sound, the word when spoken with clear intent also goes this
same work.
He pulled out what appeared to be a book
> with a red cover and gold letters. He opened the book and inside it was 3
> wooden carvings. He removed one of the carvings and we went into another
> room. He did something with the wooden carving and then there was suddenly
> a river nest to us. This was a very clean river with large chunks of ice
> flowing in it. In the water were these mammals that looked like a cross
> between a sawfish and dolphin. They were called sponge maniacs. The priest
> started playing this very soothing relaxing music and then had me take off
> my clothes and get into the river. I laid back in the water and was
> floating while the sponge maniacs pushed my upstream.
You ride the spiritual flow in the radiance of kundalini in the love
stream to the higher centers. Her the sponge maniacs or likely chakra's
are moving you along as they spin in synchronicity, when it is done, you
are in the cool energy of kundalini you are brought back down into the
conscious mind energy taking you back into the solar plexus. I call this
a consciousness dream, it will stay with you forever. Keep a dream
journal and it will be significant ten years from now, even more then
today.
The guided me very
> carefully and I never hit any of the ice chunks. The water was very chilly
> and invigorating but it wasn't too cold. The priest blew a whistle or
> something and the sponge maniacs turned me around and brought me back. When
> I crawled out of the water I felt very calm and centered and my mind was
> very clear. The priest gave me a towel and he gave me the wood carving and
> a piece from the dock that went into the river. Then we went back into the
> room we started in. In there he started pulling out other books that were
> also red with gold lettering. I remember one of the books was written by a
> Tibetan lama with the last name of Rinpoche. I told the priest that I had
> read Sogyal Rinpoche's book "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" and some
> other books by the Dalai Lama. He said that Sogyal's book was very good,
> almost like a work book of spiritual development.
GG
All of life's experience comes up to the process of living and dying, so
that we must go into death in order to understand life and also to pass
to the other side to break the illusion.
Check out my homepage and we will talk.
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn
Gloria
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:29:55 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Mike Beaver (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
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Mike Beaver (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> Dear Michelle:
>
> I cannot comment on your husband's sanity, or lack therof, without
> seeing him
> in person. But I can say something about the influence of spirits on US.
> The imp I have attached to my head makes me extremely dizzy on very rare
> occasions. Most of time it just sucks energy off my head. It plays with
> me sexually; primarily when I am sleeping.
Gloria:
Mike do you actually see this spirit or just feel it? I ask this because
some of it just may be kundalini, you have to discriminate.
I can put my hand over
> that particular spot and the pain stops immediately. At the same time I
> can feel the very course and very obvious energy of the spirit. It is
> much more obvious than that of other spirits which are more subtle in
> nature. When I lay down on the bed at night another one sits on my legs.
GG
Again, are you seeing this energy form, kundalini can do many things.
>
> It had sucked enough energy out of me to make me extremely sick.
Gloria:
Let me know when you get the book I sent. You've told me more about
your experience here. We can talk more now. Gloria
>
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