1997/09/06 17:50
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #433
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 433
Today's Topics:
Message from Mother Teresa to the UN Conference on Women (fwd)
Re: Buddhism, heart sutra in particular
Re: Kundalini or Suicidal?
Re: fable and EGO
Re: allergies redux
Re: Judgement
Re: God/love is who/what?
awareness
Re: Kundalini or Suicidal?
Re: Ayurvedic???
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Re: Just a bit more on martyrdom
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:13:38 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: earthgoddessATnospamgeocities.com
Subject: Message from Mother Teresa to the UN Conference on Women (fwd)
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This was such a powerful message that I wanted to share it with you.
I have been told that she was very upset this week by a special video that
was being aired about her on TV this week that was not accurate and this
may have caused her heart to give out. If this is true, then the media
have killed two great Goddesses in one single week. I think the point is
clear.
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A Message from Mother Teresa to the
UN Conference on Women in Beijing
Dear Friends,
I am praying for God's blessing on all who
are taking part in the Fourth World Conference
on Women in Beijing. I hope that this conference
will help everyone to know, love, and respect
the special place of women in God's plan so that
they may fulfill t his plan in their lives.
I do not understand why some people are saying that
women and men are exactly the same, and are denying
the beautiful differences between men and women. All
God's gifts are good, but they are not all the same.
As I often say to people who tell me they would like
to serve the poor as I do. "What I can do, you cannot.
What you can do, I cannot. But together we can do
something beautiful for God." It is just this way with
the differences between women and men.
God has created each one us, every human being, for
greater things - to love and to be loved. But why did
God make some of us men and others women? Because a
women's love is one image of the love of God, and a man's
love is another image of God's love. Both are created to
love, but each in a different way. Women and man complete
each other, and together show forth God's love more fully
than either can do alone.
That special power of loving that belongs to a woman is
seen most clearly when she becomes a mother. Motherhood is
the gift of God to women. How grateful we must be to God
for this wonderful gift that brings such joy to the whole
world, women and men a like! Yet we can destroy this gift
of motherhood, especially by the evil of abortion, but also
by thinking that other things like jobs or positions are
more important than loving, than giving oneself to others.
No job, no plans, no possessions, no idea of "freedom" can
take the place of love. So anything that destroy's God's
gift of motherhood destroys His most precious gift to
women -- the ability to love as a woman,
God told us, "Love your neighbor as yourself." So first
I am to love myself rightly, and then to love my neighbor
like that. But how can I love myself unless I accept myself
as God has made me? Those who deny the beautiful differences
between men and w omen are not accepting themselves as God
has made them, and so cannot love the neighbor. They will
only bring division, unhappiness, and destruction of peace
to the world. For example, as I have often said, abortion
is the greatest destroyer of peace in t he world today, and
those who want to make women and men the same are all in
favor of abortion.
Instead of death and sorrow, let us bring peace and joy to
the world. To do this, we must beg God for His gift of peace
and learn to love and accept each other as brothers and
sisters, children of God. We know that the best place for
children to learn how to love and to pray is in the family,
by seeing the love and prayer of their mother and father.
When families are broken or disunited, many children grow up
not knowing how to love and pray. A country where many
families have been destroyed like this will have many
problems. I have often seen, especially in the rich
countries, how children turn to drugs or other things to
escape feeling unloved and rejected.
But when families are strong and united, children
can see God's special love in the love of their father
and mother and can grow to make their country a loving
and prayerful place. The child is God's best gift to
the family and needs both mother and fa ther because
each one shows God's love in a special way. The family
that prays together stays together, and if they stay
together they will love one another as God has loved each
one of them. And works of love are always works of peace.
So let us keep the joy of loving in our hearts and
share this joy with all we meet. My prayer for all
the delegates, and for every woman whom the Beijing
conference is trying to help, is that each one may be
humble and pure like Mary so as to live in l ove and
peace with one another and make our families and our
world something beautiful for God.
Let us pray.
All for the glory of God and good of souls. Good bless you.
(signed) Mother Teresa, M.C.
Mother Teresa won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979.
Copyright (C) 1997 Mantra Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:16:41 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Buddhism, heart sutra in particular
Message-Id: <199709060316.XAA27544ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
Kurt Keutzer wrote...
"Personally I would prefer that EVERY post on this listserver be
strongly
related to kundalini. I think that there are many good outlets for
discussing Buddhism, Candida and other topics that seem to me to be
peripheral to kundalini. Of course the role of kundalini (known as
Candali)
in Buddhism or the effect of kundalini on curing/aggravating Candida is
an
exception. On the other hand I see posts from others who want to ensure
that the group stay broad so I would say that this is just something
for
members to decide - any comments from others on this?"
My own preference is that the list stays broad. When we received
Shaktipat from/through Shri Anandi Ma we were told that the awakened
Kundalini would intensify whatever religious practice we had, and speed
our progress in that practice. If we had no practice, the awakened K
would likely lead us to one in the future. As the K advances, a
religious practice provides a framework and a discipline both to
understand the experience and to guide it in useful, constructive, and
healthy
directions. Understanding the experience also helps one accept the
experience,
and not to try to suppress it which could lead to various problems.
Notice that i am
talking about religious *practice* and religious *experience* here.
Religion as something to do. I see the discussion of such practices and
experiences as very
relavent to this list and welcome the discussion of forms of Buddhism,
Hinduism,
Christianity, Wicca, whatever in such a context. What i would not want
to see is
proselytizing (but i have not really seen that much on this list).
People writing on these topics would be coming from their own
experience and their
own understanding. If somebody feels that the information being
presented is not
accurate or not authentic in some way, they should be encouraged to
provide a
correction, or their interpretation, as the case may be. This sort of
discussion, if
done in the spirit of mutual education instead of individual
criticization, can be very
valuable to the list.
As for the discussions of candida, CFS, and fibromyalgia.....i have
noticed what would be a remarkable cluster of these ailments on this
list if they were not (at least
in some cases) K related. A friend of mine (Cher, who is on this list)
has had these
ailments for a number of years, and prior to ever joining this list i
had come to suspect that these ailments, in her case, were somehow
related to the first chakra
(i will say that i was influenced in coming to this belief by listening
to some tapes by
Caroline Myss). Since reading the posts on this list, i now believe
that these ailments can be related to a suppressed/misunderstood K
awakening. Here again
i refer to the above point i was trying to make, of the importance of
having some kind
of religious practice to help understand, accept, and guide the K
awakening. Another
thought here......we have so many gifted people on this list in many
different walks
of life....wouldn't it be wonderful if some of these discussions we
have had on the list
worked in inspiring somebody with coming up with some solutions for
some of these
ailments.....not only helping those on the list but sending healing
ripples (waves!) out into the world.
Love & Light,
Rick
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:31:25 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: "by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>" <JLewis7639ATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini or Suicidal?
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He talks to himself and laughs at nothing. He has nightmares
> almost every night and wakes up to "see persons" trying to kill him. He has
> talked about death a lot recently, although he hasn't actually talked about
> killing himself. My question is whether this could be a kundalini experience
> or does he need professional help or both?
>
> Michelle
Michelle,
This must be so exhausting for you. This is actually a symptom of energy
blockage associated with his illness and not related to kundalini.
I haven't had much success in MS cases with energy work because the
physical system is so poisoned. MS often appears after exposure to
pesticides or petrochemicals which are toxic to the nervous system.
There are medical treatments to remove toxins from the system which are
producing results. If you'll e-mail me privately I'll forward a mail
piece with information about clinics which are treating MS. Allergies
are also often a primary cause.
The mental stresses I am extremely familiar with. This form of
paranoia responds very well to energy work. Opening the crown and the
base chakras will almost always remove the mental symptoms within a few
days. You can do it yourself with crystals if you have or get a Reiki I
attunement. The attunement will allow you to channel energy. MS is a
symptom of complete energy depletion in his system. Then use a quartz
crystal about 3 inches long by 1 inch wide with terminations at one end.
channel the Reiki energy through the crystal and move the crystal in a
circle above the crown of his head. Picture his crown opening to let
light energy in. Then move to his feet and do the same.
The next day begin again. The third day also move light energy into his
pelvis and the base of the spine. This should be done soon...fear of
death can transform to desire for death if the fear is intolerable.
I've heard that Reiki attunement is available free over the internet.
You might try a search engine with the word "Reiki". Otherwise an
attunement for level I is $125 in Northern California and less in other
areas of the country. This will be a nice treat for you (you've earned
it!) and will be a gift that keeps on giving.
Morgana
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:55:25 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: warrior-sage-lATnospamspiritweb.org
Subject: Re: fable and EGO
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My two cents on ego,
I was taught, in my family's pagan tradition, that the ego as we know
it today is an unsupported structure which, in engineering terms,
exceeds it's functional tolerances.
My great-aunt showed me a tarot card; The Fool. She said that the ego
was like a little yapping dog. When the master is not at home, the dog
is frightened and barks at every noise. All of the other dogs in the
neighborhood rush their fences, the fences of their house, to answer the
barking with more of their own.
My great aunt drew a circle around me. She said, pointing to the line,
this is where your ego walks it's defensive perimeter. This is your
fence. This is not the true function of the ego, it is the ego afraid.
When the master is home, The little dogs curls up on the porch and
sleeps a happy, safe, dreaming sleep.
My great-aunt showed me the tarot card again. Look, she said, his
eyes seek upward. The master is home. She ponted to where he was about
to walk off the cliff. She said that despite appearances, the house was
safe.
I don't tell this well, my great aunt was a master of subtlety, she
could say more with a look or hand gesture than most people speak in
hours. She led me through a meditation, where I found the master and my
center, and the ego rested.
Morgana
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 23:07:42 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: allergies redux
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Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> I believe we had a discussion about this before but I need help with
> the allergic congestion, etc. that sometimes accompanies a run of the
> Energy. Anybody know why this tends to happen? I find the symptoms
> only last for a day or two but I'd love some advice on relief if
> anybody has some. Thanks.
>
> Wet and stuffed,
> Holly
There are two energy points which relieve the symptoms. The primary is
the hollow of the throat. Create a white light which burns this chakra
clean. The second point is between the eyes, below the eyebrows and
above the inner corners of the eyes on the bridge of the nose. Some
people also have to burn clean the chakra point at the back of the
tongue (actually the floating hyoid bone if you know your anatomy).
Morgana
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:16:34 -0800 (AKDT)
From: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Judgement
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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, David Bozzi wrote:
> Duncan, Mark (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> > Then it occurred to me... ...I WAS JUDGING TOO! Extreme distress :-(
> >
> > The more I thought about it the more I found that I judge with every
> > thought. It seems to me that every electrical or photon impulse going
> > through my brain/mind was in some form a judgement. This displeases me
> > greatly.
>
>
> Every judgment we endorse is a brick in a wall we build
> between us. We cannot know our divinity while we judge.
> Ego is judgment. The source of all pain. Each judgment we condone
> is testimony that we are weak.
Our divinity? What do you mean by that? Perfection, and if so, in what
way are we perfect?
Passion is the antithesis of detachment. It is better defined as an
inability to control your emotions, not as strong emotion.
> > By the way is there anything universal about reality? You know, we all
> > believe and perceive in the same way?
>
> Only in the sense that belief and perception are delusional.
> Knowledge is something else, though . . .
The difference between belief and knowing is experience. Experience
shapes our ability to perceive, belief limits it. Let's say you were a
gelatinous goo in some other life. I think it's a given that human
perception and 'goo' perception will differ, yet once you become fully
aware you should be able to shift from one to the other.
We must question everything.
--
"what we call human nature in actuality is human habit"
-Jewel Kilcher?
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:01:02 -0800 (AKDT)
From: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: God/love is who/what?
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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> wrote:
> Friend, You said, "Do not say God is love." What is love? Perhaps we
> could all brainstorm this one. I think it may be beneficial. Did you know
> that in English we have only one word for love? In other languages there are
> 70 or more words for love? Is this a problem for us? Perhaps. Would it help
> us 'feel' more if we could identify more holistically with love? It seems so
> limiting to think that we have only one box to put such a magnificent
> conceptual feeling into. Is it no wonder we have so much trouble with our
> feeling selves. Feelings of tenderness and intimacy and compassion! Why do
> we equate feeling only with carnality? What is missing? Without feeling,
> there is no sense of virtue and without virtue the meaning of life seems
> ..........well......................meaningless?
> Namaste. Linda
Most New-Agers believe it to be possible to transmit love into the world.
If true, this would make love emotional energy. If all emotion is energy
(with the exception of fear - most fears are just severe distortions of
the survival instinct) then the only difference between each emotion
(sadness, hate, etc) is frequency.
Most people are not tuned in to that station. ;-)
Here are two excerpts from "Ultimate Journey" by Robert Monroe:
The Big Nugget
Because this item of universal interest is so misunderstood and
misconstrued, it took a special extended investigation to reduce it to
anywhere near a rational level. The following ROTE (Related Organized
Thought Energy), passed to me by a friend, is at least a beginning. Once
it is absorbed, it will expand as it is contemplated.
"Love can't be taught, can't be bought. Love can't be learned. It is
generated within the individual in response to an external stimulus. The
individual has no control over this generation. Once initiated, it may be
layered over or sublimated but never destroyed. Physical death has no
effect upon the reality of its existence, as such energy is neither
dependent upon nor a part of time-space.
"It is a radiation that cannot be grasped and held on to. Instead it is
perceived, experienced as it passes through the individual, who adds to it
that additional portion which has been generated by this passing. The
energy is thereby enhanced and the individual becomes a constant
contributor and recipient thereof."
With the heavy emphasis on sexual arousal and the myth of romance, it is
no surprise that so many claim to experience what we may call the Big L in
their relationships. Not so. The only way you can obtain it is through
shared life experience, and even then there is no guarantee. On the other
hand it will grow on you. You don't have to work at it, despite what the
books say. Time is not a vital factor. The deeper, more intense the
shared experience, the less time it takes.
Other attractions are not necessarily destructive or valueless but they
do fall into another category. The difference is that the Big L is
indestructible and eternal, and never dependent on local habits and
customs. Friendship, for example, might be construed as a shadow of the
Big L, or at least a kissing cousin.
The greatest problem lies in misidentification. We become entrapped
into believing we have found the Big L, often with disastrous results,
when the ideal is not adhered to by the "loved" one.
The most consistent and visible facet of the Big L is probably mother
love. It meets the tests admirably, although it often gets heavily
layered with protocol.
Men find the Big L in other men, and women in other women, usually as a
result of profound experience over some time, although extended experience
does not automatically evoke the Big L. Yet when it does happen,
sometimes effortlessly and without conscious awareness, it is permanent in
the full meaning of the word. If you work together, play together, live
together, fight, suffer, laugh, and team together, the probability is
increased.
The main characteristic of the Big L is that it does not diminish with
physical death and you cannot extinguish it during physical life. Out of
necessity, propriety, or for reasons beyond your control you may sublimate
it, yet it will always be there, glowing quietly within you. Why the
expression "till death do us part" became part of our culture is a
mystery. Perhaps it was inserted so that the physical survivor would feel
emotionally free to remarry and beget more offspring to further ensure the
continuation of the species. Otherwise it makes no sense.
The Big L is the Core Self at its finest distillation.
Core Self
This is the intrinsic, original Human Mind. Starting from this inner
core, we are the essence of the sum of our experiences, without
limitation. The inner core is composed of the following:
what we have lived and consciously thought to date;
the emotions we have experienced;
the love we have expressed and experienced;
the dreams we have experienced, whether we remember them or not;
the pains and pleasures;
the daydreams, wishes, and hopes;
all of the above during our nonphysical activity (sleep, etc.);
all the above during any and all previous life activity;
unidentified elements.
--
"what we call human nature in actuality is human habit"
-Jewel Kilcher?
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:59:28 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
Subject: awareness
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AWARENESS
Ram has always been talking about AWARENESS and its extreme
importance. AWARENESS creates highest viberational kalapas.
Who is aware?
Is Ram aware....But Ram is only a name,
Is "I" of Ram aware.... But when one looks inside one does not
find "I".
Is astral mind aware....But that has low viberations.It cannot
bring any change in the astral kalapas.
Is Causal mind aware....But that is hardly developed for a normal
man.
Is Buddhic plane aware..But there is absolutely no existance of
Buddhic plane even in highly intelligent
person.
Is EGO aware............Yes. Every human being is guided by this
descended EGO. its viberational level is
higher to that of Buddhic Plane or even
Nirvana Plane.
So when a person is just aware , it is EGO who is aware and
kalapas which die and are reborn billions of times in a second are born
with EGO viberaional level. And these kalapas will like to ascend to
planes higher than NIRVANA planes.
They will be first stopped by desires .....and fulfil them
If they cross desires they will be
stopped by diseases........................and cure them
Still higher Causal body will stop them....and will give deva world
fruits of wealth, power
prosperity etc.
By Budhic plane............................and will give WISDOM.
And last is NIRVANA.
So nothing is better than AWARENESS.
Not even white light or any other light, because white light is
below buddhic plane viberational level. It is better but not the best.
Clearing or Cleaning or purifying is best done by awareness.
ram
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:21:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini or Suicidal?
Message-ID: <970906142148_184373523ATnospamemout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-05 05:44:32 EDT, you write:
<< all medications. He meditates 4-6 or more hours per
day, listening to music. When he was in the hospital for a year and a half,
he told me about hearing the nurses' and patient's inner thoughts which were
all negative. Now he talks about "entities" he has become sensitive to in
our house which cause him to "double talk himself" or tell him to "do it".
The other night he started beating the chair and when I ask him what was
going on, he said the "entity" would leave him alone if he got angry. He
thinks the entities have control over me too, which cause me to get angry
with him. He talks to himself and laughs at nothing. He has nightmares
almost every night and wakes up to "see persons" trying to kill him. >>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ayurvedic???
Message-ID: <970906143245_1253973885ATnospamemout16.mail.aol.com>
Hi, As I said ,in an earlier post , I think that vertigo is a "vata "
disorder,whose attributes are light, wind ,cold ,roughness, dryness.Certain
activeties , weather, diets etc., can produce imbalances such as vertigo .In
Albuquerque N.M., U.S.A. there is an Ayurvedic Institute, or you could
approach the Maharishi (T.M.) Ayurveda centers in Fairfield Iowa , Lancaster
Mass.(very expensive) or Compton P.Q. Canada (relatively inexpensive) there
you would consult with a n Ayurvedic physician called a vayja, determine your
body type, and be prescribed remedies and routines to follow for your ailment
.Or look up Ayurveda on the internet and go to the nearest qualified people.
For me a slower pace, ginger,hot drinks, covering the head
and ears especially while driving fast or in cold windy weather helps. Let
me know if I can be of any help.
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:22:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Carl J R Johansson <cjjohansATnospamcc.helsinki.fi> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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At 04:01 AM 9/4/97, Carl J R Johansson wrote:
>On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, M wrote:
>> we need to see willful women suceed and lead long full lives. It is one of
>> the directions I thought human evolution was headed in just now. And,
>> perhaps it still is, but she did not choose to model that.
>
>If this would happen I believe men would have to develop a weak will
>accordingly, and society would have to become matriarchal in order to keep
>up the attraction (and continued procreation of the species, I
>suspect nature isn't aware of test tubes ;) ). Basic Yin-Yang. Not to be
>seen as woman-bashing or something similar (though I also suspect some
>will try hard to see it as such), just a reflection.
>
>I freely admit however (as some might have suspected) that it might be
>difficult for me personally to live in such a society, I have experienced
>a number of put-downs by assertive women in my life already (most notably
>my step-mother). Not wishing to spoil the mailing list with some gender
>war, and hoping that respondents do not wish that either (so let's try to
>stay even-minded, shall we?).
cj
How sad that you and probably so many others think that one half of our
species must be in a down position at all times. Yin-yang does not imply
that! It basically implies equal balance, side by side, not up/down. T
IMHO the evolution we head toward will require equally as many willful men
as women and each group will need to respect and be considerate of the
other. Neither group dominating, neither characterized by domination,
tyrany, etc.
Imagine there's no heaven, etc. Don't you think this is possible? M
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Just a bit more on martyrdom
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Jeanne,
Tis far more rare among men and these all got to middle age at any rate.
But the foreshortening of their work no doubt actually gave it a greater
impact. Thank you for broadening our viewpoint.
M
PS I think it is possible to know the pre-birth pact one has made. I get
glimmers of mine off and on, now and again. Try the belief on for size. .
.you might like it.
At 07:04 AM 9/4/97 -0500, Jeanne Garner wrote:
>Hi all, thought I'd add one more comment on martyrdom. It really is not
>limited to just women. Many men, as well, are "cut down in their prime" as
>the saying goes--and many times, just as with the women, their life's work
>is actually energized in the process. Martin Luther King comes to
>mind--would the civil rights movement have done as well if he'd lived? JFK,
>for all his flaws, also left a legacy of humanitarianism that might not have
>survived had he lived: the scandals, surely, would have come out and clouded
>the good he initiated. What about the middle-eastern peacemaker, Sadat?
>And so on.
>
>I'm not saying martyrdom is the preferred way to get something done, but it
>is one way. I don't think it's for me, but who knows what agreements my
>soul made before I was incarnated without the benefit of remembering the
>pacts I've made?
>
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
>
>
>
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