1997/09/04 17:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #430
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 430
Today's Topics:
Re: energy place, (ENcircle)
God
Re: Buddhism, heart sutra in particular
Re: Buddhism, heart sutra in particular
Just a bit more on martyrdom
Re: Just a bit more on martyrdom
Re: the masses
An Observation
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Re: ghost.
Re: fable and EGO
Judgement
Re: God
Re: Judgement
Re: Judgement
Re: An Observation
Re: An Observation
2 questions
Re: Judgement
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 23:11:34
From: "jh2owbmATnospammoa.net" <jh2owbmATnospammoa.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: energy place, (ENcircle)
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Thank you for the reply.
I will set up an altar of my own in tribute to GOD the MOTHER and ME
and it will include all of you as well and everything and everywhere.
I will read some of the posts we(the list) have written to sanctify it.
Yah, I had to ask.
Somtimes I need a smack upside the head to wake me up.
>(^not true. the energy is there; dormant. not gone. just left not in use.
>(^that energy lies waiting to link up anywhere you want it!
>(^ make a sacred space yourself. re-charge/re-pair the one left by the girl,
>(^ if it suits you. You seem to remember that space with fondness..
>(^which is ALways a plus when setting up sacred dialog spots.
>(^no more knowing. blocks the learning. no suggestions. just options.
>(^ what you choose is your own path generater.
>(^but with too little back-up data, many folks are too timid to move
forwards.
>>
>
>(^that space you found? they used to be EVERYWHERE.
>(^what happened to them?
>(^..television.
>(^american human's focus turned away from organic altar creation
>(^and towards the simpler method of take: no give: namely?
>(^ absorbing prana via un-natural resources, fabricated by others
>(^to entertain while possibly enlightening, too.
>
>(^ the largest dillusion humans seem to face,
>(^is the belief that "making points" is the goal of "following" spiritual
>linkpaths.
>
>(^storys MUST have a "point".. right? (yeah, right.. then what's left?)
>(^life /memory/places/events\training\actions\repercussions\memory
>(^just a series of points. dots. quadrant lables.
>>(^you want to know where to find new sacred space?
>(^1. everywhere you bother to focus. newer area to find?
>(^2. webspace(altars)
>(^3. gif+jpegs (fetishes)
>(^4. newsgroups (beings)
>
>(^uh... was that clear enough folks?
>(^no word games to de-pointalize the picture?
>
>(^go0DD. I need to stop typing like this.
>(^It leaves me drained of energy to make blunt statements
>(^that come across arrogant, instead of superfluous.
What's the point? :)
What a blessing it is to be with such a group of people to keep us awake.
A nice thought from Ruth.
Sometimes I just want to spout off about how good it feels to be HERE, NOW.
But I keep my mouth closed because I would probably ramble useless
information that most people can't use. Thanks for being understanding.
Ahh. I'm going to have a gotorade now.
mtmindATnospamusa.net
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 01:19:01 -0800 (AKDT)
From: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: God
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Perhaps someone can clarify something for me...
Who is God?
What is God?
If God was himself created, does he pray to his creator? Does he ask for
guidance or must he find his own answers?
Please don't respond with GOD IS LOVE, THE CREATOR, et cetera. Be as
detailed as you can, avoid quoting religious documents (IAM), and keep
the usage of metaphors and analogies at a minimum. :-)
--
"what we call human nature in actuality is human habit"
-Jewel Kilcher?
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:43:02 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>,
Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Buddhism, heart sutra in particular
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On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> I think it is rather, Ram's inner voice commenting on his humility.. he
> is a buddhist scholar, he is studying buddhism, isn't he? So he hasn't got
> all the answers yet and avoids titles? A scholar is not a person who has
> finished studying, it is a person who IS studying. Whether he goes to the
> U. of Buddah or the U. of Life/kundalini makes little difference. He has
> the blue fire scholarship, sponsored by Goddess..
> Blessings, A.
> At 21:41 03/09/97 -0700, Ken McFarland wrote:
> >At 09:39 AM 9/4/97 +0500, S.R.Peswani wrote:
> >> ram also refuses to accept himself as buddhist scholar.
> >
comments were made on three mistakes commited by ram on the sloka ""gate,
gate....."
one... that it is in sanskrit and not pali
two ... word para is parasm
three.. meaning of swaha is not all hail
ram immediately remembered that Kurt is right atleast in two of
these mistakes and may be in third as well . So comments were expected
from ram.
Am I right dear Angelique?
EGOIST RAM
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:00:07 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Cc: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com
Subject: Re: Buddhism, heart sutra in particular
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On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Ken McFarland wrote:
> At 09:39 AM 9/4/97 +0500, S.R.Peswani wrote:
>
> > Kurt,
> > you must be right. ram is no scholar , nor has he written all
> >this for anyone. ram has written it probably for himself
>
> Ram, I love this part of your response!
>
> > ram also refuses to accept himself as buddhist scholar.
>
> But this part?
> Has someone suggested to you that you are a buddhist scholar?
> Is there a touch of ego creeping in here?
> We all need some strokes.
> I know I sure do!
>
> May you live in Peace, Love, and Joy,
> Ken
>
>
ram is confused. ram wrote on "gate, gate..." ram also wrote in
the same letter on vipassana meditaion , on Guatam Buddha.
Kurt suggested that there is Buddhist forum for buddhist scholars
where etc. etc.
ram felt the message is for him. On the path of ram there is
bound to be ego. ram considers meaning of God and Ego same. read my many
letters.
SO RAM ACCEPTS EGGOISM AS HIS GODNESS.
Thanks Ken
ram
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:04:45 -0500
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Just a bit more on martyrdom
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Hi all, thought I'd add one more comment on martyrdom. It really is not
limited to just women. Many men, as well, are "cut down in their prime" as
the saying goes--and many times, just as with the women, their life's work
is actually energized in the process. Martin Luther King comes to
mind--would the civil rights movement have done as well if he'd lived? JFK,
for all his flaws, also left a legacy of humanitarianism that might not have
survived had he lived: the scandals, surely, would have come out and clouded
the good he initiated. What about the middle-eastern peacemaker, Sadat?
And so on.
I'm not saying martyrdom is the preferred way to get something done, but it
is one way. I don't think it's for me, but who knows what agreements my
soul made before I was incarnated without the benefit of remembering the
pacts I've made?
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:07:33 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Just a bit more on martyrdom
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>
> I'm not saying martyrdom is the preferred way to get something done, but it
> is one way. I don't think it's for me, but who knows what agreements my
> soul made before I was incarnated without the benefit of remembering the
> pacts I've made?
>
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
I watched an interview with Michael Caine last night, he said even
though he knew Diana socially, nobody knew how she much she was really
loved. He believed there is no one that has reached into the hearts of
men and women around the world more then she. And even though she was a
commoner from the Royals point of view, her dad was only an Earl, she
carried the true Royal Blood more so then the Royals who are not really
that aware. She set an example that they would have to acknowledge that
far surpasses their awareness of what could be. Gloria
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:11:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: SKidder333ATnospamaol.com
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
cc: awp.win-winATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the masses
Message-ID: <970904111129_1087480882ATnospamemout03.mail.aol.com>
Alcoholics Anonymous had a set of 12 Traditions that have enabled it to
continue despite all the huge egos that gather and recover in its name. The
11th Tradition reads: "Our public relations policy is based on attraction
rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the
level of press, radio and films."
Perhaps this wisdom might apply to your promotional ideas....perhaps not.
Love in the Spirit, Sylvia
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 18:09:07 +0200
From: Edward Visse <Edward.VisseATnospamwblab.lu.se>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: An Observation
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I am not sure I have an active kundalini, so probably it is not. I can see
parts of the human aura sometimes, had a few minor obe's. Lately I noticed
that if I close my hands it feels a bit congested (I don't know how to
describe it in another way). It feels much better to open my hands, so many
times a day I get conscious of it and open my hands. When I was younger I
also 'closed' my feet (toes curled inward) alot and still do that
sometimes. And it is the same there, it feels much better to open up.
So I was wondering what this feeling really is. Am I slowing down the
energy flow when I close my hand/feet?
any comments?
Edward
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 04:01:22
From: Carl J R Johansson <cjjohansATnospamcc.helsinki.fi> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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On 1 Sep 1997, Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You wrote ...
> >Our life isn't something that is done to us. If this life was Diana's
soul's
> >only shot, yes it might read like a fictional tragedy. But I thought
one of
> >the concepts of reincarnation is that we choose our life chores ourselves.
> > How come the theory of karma flies out the window when we talk about real
> >life cases? I notice that no one who talks about being a victim wants
to say
> >it was a karmic debt, even when claiming to buy into the reicarnation
> >package.
>
>
> Well, the fact is that the theory of karma is the only theory that will
hold
> good in
> this case.
>
>
> We are, and will always be a result of our past and present. This full
Universe
> is the result of the past, and so are we. We are entirely, fully and
> unconditionally
> responsible for our fate and actions. We do get emotional and throw theories
> "out of the window" , but that is only our emotions and sentiments. The
truth
> remains
> intact. All our life is the result of our past, imediate or the future.
This is
> what gives
> meaning to our lives. We are the "Captain of our fates". Anything
contrary to
> this
> would only be sentimental and illogical.
>
Yesterday I came to realize that the reason I'm in a body might be to
evolve myself through my physical actions, that that is the only way
to accomplish it. Before this I have for years tried to change myself
through willpower alone (for reasons I don't care to mention here) but
in the end usually ended up only with blocked chakras (it would have
to be constantly applied to work if it's not supported by corresponding
behaviour and thought patterns). Maybe this is a controversial topic for a
Kundalini list, after all don't you people believe on the contrary that
one simply has to invest willpower into the root chakra to evolve?
I saw some glance of this at a New Age web page and have also read it
in books as diverse as Swedenborg's and Rudolf Steiner's, we don't
actually have a ready-made 'higher self', only a 'casual body' which
aids us in building it (and it can of course be partially completed in
a given life, with maybe some independence of it's own). Any thoughts on
this?
I believe that my (re-?)discovery is also the point behind some Christian
teaching, if you follow the Law of Moses in your life (not with some false
motive of course, like appeasing some human) I believe you will eventually
develop love in yourself automatically. (The Buddhist teachings of
inaction don't appear to strive for the same goal. The purpose there
might be to receive 'Light' instead.) I suppose technically speaking
you become a proper vessel for this energy, and a bad motive would somehow
involve the ego into blocking it. But is there any religious system
which would train one to receive the first ray vibration? (Not that I
would like to try it of course, this ray has apparently yet to manifest in
full.)
cj
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 04:01:03
From: Carl J R Johansson <cjjohansATnospamcc.helsinki.fi> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, M wrote:
> we need to see willful women suceed and lead long full lives. It is one of
> the directions I thought human evolution was headed in just now. And,
> perhaps it still is, but she did not choose to model that.
If this would happen I believe men would have to develop a weak will
accordingly, and society would have to become matriarchal in order to keep
up the attraction (and continued procreation of the species, I
suspect nature isn't aware of test tubes ;) ). Basic Yin-Yang. Not to be
seen as woman-bashing or something similar (though I also suspect some
will try hard to see it as such), just a reflection.
I freely admit however (as some might have suspected) that it might be
difficult for me personally to live in such a society, I have experienced
a number of put-downs by assertive women in my life already (most notably
my step-mother). Not wishing to spoil the mailing list with some gender
war, and hoping that respondents do not wish that either (so let's try to
stay even-minded, shall we?).
cj
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:17:00
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ghost.
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I had a friend once who could see auras and one day when I was feeling
expecially good, she remarked that my aura was very bright and much larger
than usual. A few days later, I was experiencing a problem with my mom and
the disagreement left me feeling angry and frustrated, probably a little hurt
too. Then my friend remarked that my aura was barely visible when my emotions
were so negative. That describes, to me, the difference in my 'feeling' of
openness which I believe led to the rising of my K. Linda
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:18:27
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: fable and EGO
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If ego is the Prince of this world, then are you saying that to live in this
world, we must have an ego? Let us hope it at least a Healthy One! Linda
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:30:23
From: "Duncan, Mark" <duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Judgement
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It seems to me that there is a lot of bickering on the list. The
bickering has a physical effect on me... ...upset stomach, tension,
etc.
I would sit here saying how can they judge what this person said as if
they were THE AUTHORITY on the subject.
Then it occurred to me... ...I WAS JUDGING TOO! Extreme distress :-(
The more I thought about it the more I found that I judge with every
thought. It seems to me that every electrical or photon impulse going
through my brain/mind was in some form a judgement. This displeases me
greatly. I don't want to be judgmental.
When people ask me what happened, I usually say things like - it appears
and it is their' reality.
By the way is there anything universal about reality? You know, we all
believe and perceive in the same way? I know I am just hung up in not
wanting to be wrong. All of this thinking is giving me a headache.
I like Pooh in The Tao of Pooh. Pooh didn't have to be, he just was.
So what does this have to do with Kundalini? Doesn't K uproot all
preconceived notions of self and the environment of self? Or do I need
a melatonin supplement or something. I be confoosed! Need input!
Mark C. Duncan
Network Engineer
Information Technology Solutions, Inc.
Building 2797, Ft. Eustis, VA
757.878.1580 or 1589
duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:23:54
From: "Tom n' Lisa" <efs2dayATnospampe.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: God
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> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 01:19:01 -0800 (AKDT)
> From: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: God
> Perhaps someone can clarify something for me...
>
> Who is God? It has occured to me very recently that God is a
metaphore, for the divine wisdom that exists in every person who has
the ability to extend thier imagination beyond socially acceptable
limits.
>
> What is God?
>
> If God was himself created, does he pray to his creator? Does he ask for
> guidance or must he find his own answers? If I am to believe in
God, then I must believe in myself. God, is like me, and in humour,
lends guidance via the lessons in life that I choose to understand
fully. And when my experience has not clearly expained itself to me,
I try to find metaphore in the lifes of the people in my life and
"listen" again for the primer via thier like situations. I wonder if
then, God recognises the uniqueness of me, and you, and must ask us
for guidance with regard to guiding us? I have 2 children and I must
use a different approach with my lesson plan for them, and I am not
above asking for thier opinion regarding misunderstanding of values I
seek to instill.
>
> Please don't respond with GOD IS LOVE, THE CREATOR, et cetera. Be as
> detailed as you can, avoid quoting religious documents (IAM), and keep
> the usage of metaphors and analogies at a minimum. :-)
>
> --
> "what we call human nature in actuality is human habit" Thank you
for this question. I have given this topic considerable research and
thought, and would welcome discussion to further facilitate my
theory. Nature is the properties of matter, that respond to
variables, and thier frequency. Humans have fixed properties, and
then with diet, excersise, atmospheric pressure changes, emotional
charges, it would be very easy to get "confused" And so I wonder if
we then resort to our "habit" or what I call training, in our effort
to atleast feel comfortable. After all, I myself and probably
everyone I know, has been aware of the negative effects of thier
"bad" habits, and yet, the comfort in self admonishment is
paradoxically the reward for "failing" to contest the habit. And so
I also wonder if human beings can first learn the chemical
composition of thier fixed properties, the reactions that take place
within thier "phsycie" when variebles (food,excersise,another
reasonnounce) are introduced, and then had the skill to compute a knewn
or reasonable outcome, would it be more likely for those periods of
inertia to subside?
> -Jewel Kilcher?
>
> Thank you for these well timed, questions.....Lisa Marie
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:14:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: "Duncan, Mark" <duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Judgement
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>
>The more I thought about it the more I found that I judge with every
>thought. It seems to me that every electrical or photon impulse going
>through my brain/mind was in some form a judgement. This displeases
me
>greatly. I don't want to be judgmental.
A wonderful Buddhist teacher named Charlotte Joko Beck writes about
this a lot and recommends a practice where when you find yourself
judging just label it mentally "judging" and then let it go without
giving it any more energy than that. If you judge yourself for judging
(an elemental activity of the human brain) then you're amping up the
whole predicament. Holly
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:30:11 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Judgement
Message-ID: <340F1A53.1E9BATnospammail.snet.net>
Duncan, Mark (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> Then it occurred to me... ...I WAS JUDGING TOO! Extreme distress :-(
>
> The more I thought about it the more I found that I judge with every
> thought. It seems to me that every electrical or photon impulse going
> through my brain/mind was in some form a judgement. This displeases me
> greatly.
Every judgment we endorse is a brick in a wall we build
between us. We cannot know our divinity while we judge.
Ego is judgment. The source of all pain. Each judgment we condone
is testimony that we are weak.
> I don't want to be judgmental.
When we judge that we don't want to judge . . .
Hmmmm . . .
> When people ask me what happened, I usually say things like - it appears
> and it is their' reality.
If it is personal, it is not their reality but our illusion.
> By the way is there anything universal about reality? You know, we all
> believe and perceive in the same way?
Only in the sense that belief and perception are delusional.
Knowledge is something else, though . . .
> Doesn't K uproot all
> preconceived notions of self and the environment of self?
That is a matter of intent.
> I be confoosed! Need input!
Need.
We run away from it like the plague.
But it remains.
We attempt to fill this need with a form.
Something with a limit. An edge.
When the need persists we question the whole process
of trying to fill this infinite need with things.
Things that change and always fade away.
What doesn't fade away?
What is not limited?
If such exists, would we know while we judge?
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:30:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: An Observation
Message-ID: <970904172845_840598847ATnospamemout05.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-04 12:11:16 EDT, Edward writes:
<< It feels much better to open my hands, so many times a day I get
conscious of it and open my hands... it feels much better to open up. So I
was wondering what this feeling really is. Am I slowing down the energy flow
when I close my hand/feet? >>
I'm also wondering about the energy in the hands. Now that I'm getting my
act together enough to meditate and do yoga fairly regularly, my hands
sometimes feel like they have a life of their own. They certainly have an
intensified feeling of energy or vibration. So what next? Try to move the
energy somewhere else? Ignore it? Hatch eggs?
Peg
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:44:28 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: An Observation
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Edward Visse wrote:
> Lately I noticed
> that if I close my hands it feels a bit congested (I don't know how to
> describe it in another way). It feels much better to open my hands, so many
> times a day I get conscious of it and open my hands. When I was younger I
> also 'closed' my feet (toes curled inward) alot and still do that
> sometimes. And it is the same there, it feels much better to open up.
>
> So I was wondering what this feeling really is. Am I slowing down the
> energy flow when I close my hand/feet?
>
> any comments?
In holotropic breath work a typical manifestation is clenched
hands and or feet. Generally, clenching of the feet corresponds
to an abstract attachment. The clenching of hands corresponds to
a very specific attachment. From this perspective, is it possible you
may be in the process of releasing some specific attachment or pattern?
David
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:22:37
From: awp <awp.win-winATnospamsympatico.ca> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: 2 questions
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Hello,
I have 2 questions for the list. The first is- How do symbols relate to
Kundalini? Has any one any experience in this realm?
The second is not really related (but this is such a resorceful list!)
Does any one recognise the following "things" as ANYTHING?
They are continually being entered on my E-mail files as a new file.
I am unable to recognise them and have not created these files myself.
Here is the latest mystery :XU244FB9.TMP
XVAR8SA3.TMP
XVNAGB1G.TMP
Help,
Grrrl Jonah (Job)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:58:54
From: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Judgement
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Mark Duncan : At 12:30 PM 9/4/97, you wrote:
>It seems to me that there is a lot of bickering on the list.
>Then it occurred to me... ...I WAS JUDGING TOO! Extreme distress :-(
>.....
>The more I thought about it the more I found that I judge with every
>thought. It seems to me that every electrical or photon impulse going
>through my brain/mind was in some form a judgement. This displeases me
>greatly. I don't want to be judgmental.
>.....
Mark
As humans we have been given the right of choice. Unless we learn to judge,
we cannot properly exerceise the right of choice.
Whatever happens, if it is of interest to us then we should look at it
carefully and understand as much as possible about the occurence.
It is essential, however, to be completely open minded - and to observe from
as many view points as possible.
We must also (and perhaps most important) recognise that in most cases we
only know a subset of the full circumstances, and hence our judgement may
not be correct.
But given what we do know, we can say "well, if I was in that position, my
choice would be ..."; then if at some later time we are faced with a similar
situation, we will be prepared to some extent.
The more that one exercises the mind in this way, the better able you are to
make decisions.
But if one goes further and allows oneself to 'pass judgement' on (i.e. to
make public the fact that you consider yourself the final authority on the
subject (or other person's actions) then one is well on the way to being
pilloried as a bigot !
John
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:54:15 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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Carl J R Johansson (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> I saw some glance of this at a New Age web page and have also read it
> in books as diverse as Swedenborg's and Rudolf Steiner's, we don't
> actually have a ready-made 'higher self', only a 'casual body' which
> aids us in building it (and it can of course be partially completed in
> a given life, with maybe some independence of it's own). Any thoughts on
> this?
In every single cell of your body lies all the genetic information
to make a new duplicate body.
In a hologram, you can cut the film up into ever smaller
pieces and still you will have a perspective of the whole object that
was photographed.
We are continuously created complete.
This view that we are incomplete and must become complete is pure
illusion. Why? This view in order to be true would require that time
be an actuality. The only thing we cannot do is change what we are.
Our divinity is forever complete. Through intent, We can however,
indulge
in the illusion and experience of the contrary.
Self discovery is seeing the illusion as illusion and coming to
Truth directly.Or a remembering of what had been forgotten in the
inquiry
to alternatives of Reality. (is there such a thing?)
On the truest level THERE IS NO TIME!
If this Perfect Timeless Being creates nothing but Itself,
where does this leave space for imperfect offspring, struggling
to develop into perfection in a process of time?
Are these imperfect, weak, isolated, offspring of such a Divine
entity real? Or just part of the illusion?
Love
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