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kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #428


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 428

Today's Topics:
  Re: karma
  Re: Aerobics+Prana
  Re: the masses
  capacity to think
  Re: Kundalini Help
  Re: Gate, Gate, Par Gate, Para Gate, Bodhi, Svaha
  Re: Unidentified subject!
  Re: Kundalini Help in kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #426
  Re: Kundalini Help
  forgiveness
  Re: your mail
  A Life of Service (was: Kundalini Help)
  Re: Enough of Di
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:30:23 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Mike Beaver (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: karma
Message-ID: <340D201D.4EC3ATnospamintercomm.com>

Mike Beaver (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Peswani, and All:
>
> I found your story quite interesting. Though I cannot comment on much
> of it I can say something about that which my own observations concur
> with.
>
> S.R.Peswani wrote:
>
> > The answers that gave me utmost satisfaction were as follows:
> > First:- God or no God , one gets fruits of his karmas and the method is
> > very scientific
>
> In my opinion karma is something far more than has been written about
> in most books. Not only does it come back to you in multiple lifetimes
> but it can come back to you within a single day, or in a very brief
> time.
> THE BODY=THE SUBCONSCIOUS MIND:
> The above case was no different from the client I knew who gained a
> great deal of weight from the abuse she received from her husband. Not
> unlike the lady with the leg, her body manifested the lack of self love
> programmed into her subconscious.
> In the case of the overweight lady, through a year of working on her
> self through self hypnosis she lost the weight.
> For whatever reason the lady with the leg chose not to go finish the
> therapy. As a result she is now on the other side. From what I've
> observed it's not that bad over there; so we shouldn't mourn her choice
> not to be healed in this particular incarnation.
> The body does indeed manifest what is in the subconscious mind because
> it is a physical representation of the subconscious mind. After this
> subconscious mind builds up enough negative negative events then a
> touch, taste, or smell will trigger the release of this negative energy
> into the general system manifesting in disease.
> It is sad that the vast majority of people 99.999999999999999999%
> donnot realize that through the subconscious mind is where almost ALL
> disease manifests; even AIDS.

Mike, the etheric body and its envelops is really where the illness
manifests spiritually. It appears to be in the body since the body
reflects the spiritual body but in truth it is the spiritual body that
must be healed. When a person is in trouble mentally and emotionally it
is stored and really discolors the high frequencies of color and sound
that must work to eliminate and adjust the human experience.The human
evolves into higher frequencies if he/she works with spiritual knowing
and will aspire to know God personally.

 Once dark colors, thoughts/emotions become integrated into the
experience of the person, it manifests on all levels. From the spirit
side however, it looks very different, it opens the individual to being
manipulated and easily controlled by forces in the astral.
>
> Gloria
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal
> of the mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good
> and acceptable.--- Romans 12 2
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Checkout Mike Beaver's Hypnotherapy Home Page at
> http://www.bandwidth.net/yoda
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:37:08 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: "M " <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Aerobics+Prana
Message-Id: <199709031636.MAA29197ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>

M wrote...."I have a friend in her early 60's who has a
very healthy lifestyle and diet (Sai Baba type) and still experiences
very
high blood pressure in sudden bursts. She also believes in sleeping in
corpse pose - hands folded over heart. Do you think the blood pressure
and
sleeping position could be related? I intuitively feel they are. I
think
that pose is not for everynight use, in my experience anyway. What
would you
say?"

In connection with the corpse pose, i had been instructed to keep my
hands at my
sides, though i could place them on my stomach......there was only one
"not to do" in
the instructions......i was not to rest my hands over the heart chakra
area....i did not
ask why re: the heart prohibition, as i normally would place my hands
at my sides
in this pose anyway.....but i believe it had something to do with the
flow of the energy.

Rick
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:42:12 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: "awp (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <awp.win-winATnospamsympatico.ca>,
 kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the masses
Message-ID: <340D22E2.3D5EATnospamintercomm.com>

Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Serpent has a plan.. to write a book and become both famous and
> notorious, to lure consumer culture into reading and watching interviews
> with me on talk shows by the curiosity of their "baser instincts", and the
> media insisting that I am claiming to be Satan when my book clearly says
> there is no such being, and then K. awaken the readers by word.. talking
> about Goddess unconditional love and perfection... catching consumer
> culture by such complete surprise, there is little resistance.
> If fundamentalist preachers can do shaktipat over TV, so can Serpent..
> except I will get a waaaaay wider audience.

Gloria here:
Notice the "I" that says it all. Do what thou wilt...has consequences it
will catch up with you.

> My sister said to another sibling who passed it on to me, once, judged
> that the reason why I found most people to be interested in my BDSM
> lifestyle, was just like the way most people cannot help but look at a
> traffic accident. Fascinating because it's horrible.
> I thought about this for a looooong time, and came to the clarity that
> they are related, sex and death and life and love.. why we look, why BDSM
> fascinates..
> Recently, I have been blessed with additional clarity..
> a celebrity or spiritual person who has the absolute and almost universal
> attention getting power of a car accident has been given very great power
> indeed... and what better use to put it to, but to go after that 100'th
> monkey in consumer culture and TV land? A dominatrix who is caliming
> skillfully to be the Serpent from Eden, and enlightened, and gorgeous,
> charismatic and an eloquent best selling author, a great interview
> subject.. I made made to do this, to play out this role for full effects.
>
>
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 17:21:10 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Garden (the)" <thegardenATnospamworld.std.com>, insight <insightATnospamworld.std.com>,
 kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: capacity to think
Message-ID: <340DFEF6.1862ATnospamdial.pipex.com>

Dear Friends,

One of our greatest difficulties is our tendency to describe ourselves
when describing others. We say this is good, bad, rubbish, profound or
some other value. What we have in fact described is our reaction, not
the inherent worth or worthlessness of what is said.

We are also happy to twist and pervert anything said to our own bias. We
think we are being guided or taught when being given information. We
think we are being spiritual when talking in a certain way, acting in a
certain manner and advancing along a path of our own preference.

This is spiritual masterbation.

The spiritual path consists of becoming aware, of listening to what can
be heard. If you do not listen to what you are saying and constantly
adapt and improve its potential. If you do not realise that silence is
sometimes more eloquent, how can you ever gain genuine insight?

People think sincerity is proportional to the number of questions one
asks. No. Sincerity is proportional to the number of answers one finds.
We think a teacher is someone who thinks for us, answering our endless
mind chatter. No. A teacher is somone who develops in us the capacity to
think for ourselves and find the answers we need.

People say I want to know. They are told. They say, "Yes but I did not
want to know like this."

Lobster

A R C
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/index.html
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:56:30 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: morganaATnospambest.com
CC: "John Living (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>,
 kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Help
Message-ID: <340D263B.3BACATnospamintercomm.com>

Morgana Wyze wrote:
>
> John Living (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have just joined the Kundalini List, and spent the long weekend
> > reading all the available archived posts. The vast majority of them are
> > concerned only with our own problems - which are often many, and this list
> > is a wonderful place to get help - I, too, am learning from these posts !
> >
> > Some of the members are using their gifts for helping others in
> > psychological ways - including Reiki and other healing.
> >
> > But how many members are using their gifts to help others in normal life ?
> >
> > By help I mean effort by the individual - excluding prayer, joining to
> > 'make the world better', and the expected healing/psychological help.
> >
> > I ask this since in many cases the endeavours of yoga participants (and
> > others) gives the appearance of being very selfish - aimed at raising
> > their own level of awareness for their own advancement, including
> > recognition as teachers - with no contribution to the general good.
> >
> > My personal opinion is that we are here to do good; that if we fail
> > to use our gifts actively to help the world then we are not doing our
> > job.
> >
> > I am sure that there are many on the list who are being active in doing
> > good - if you could respond by indicating how you do this, you would be
> > setting a good example for others to follow !
> >
> > I am presently writing my 'Kundalini resume' and will post it in the
> > next day or so.
> >
> > John Living

John,
 The really only way to serve man is to serve God within each person,
in this act, you aren't doing it, instead you surrender the act to God
and it is all lifted through Divine Will. This work is one of
transformation and we move along with it.
 One doesn't control this process, not my will but thy will is the law
at work. A few people on the list have a problem with this law, but it
is the law that takes you into the higher centers. Gloria
>
>
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:06:38 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Gate, Gate, Par Gate, Para Gate, Bodhi, Svaha
Message-ID: <340D289A.603EATnospamintercomm.com>

E Jason wrote:
>
> S.R.Peswani wrote:
>
> > Today that is Dec.96 , I beleive that all the religions and
> > Prophets are correct and every thing in this Universe is going perfectly
> > well . Nothing but nothing is wrong . Even wars and killers have place in
> > this universe of ours. All life is but one. My God is in the form of
> > evolutionised intelligent energy which is surviving aagainst ignorant
> > chaotic energy of this universe . Life is converting this chaotic
> > unintelligent energy ( matter is also a form of energy ) into intelligent
> > energy by evolution and is guided by the Intelligent Energy unerringly and
> > straight so that we merge in becoming God when we reach our home.
>
> Very difficult and profound realisation.
> Child dying - Right.
> Mother tortured - Right.
> "Profanity" of death, destruction and bitter misery - Right.
> It is God. It is not God. It is God. It is terrible, it is wonderful. In
> all its imperfection - it is perfect.
> However knowing this,
> we still increase the good
> and work towards an ideal of lessening suffering.
> Knowing this we continue to nurture, encourage, support and develop our
> own and others Being.
>
> > Here I am reminded of Bodhisattva Heart Sutra in Pali language.
> > Gate, gate , par gate , para gate , Bodhi , swaha. It means gone , gone,
> > gone beyond , gone altogether beyond, O what an awakening , all hail.
>
> May all those who Strive
> Find
> and in finding strive evermore
>
> Love and Blessings
> Lobster

When all is said and done your right all is the drama working out.
Gloria
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:19:05 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kalpana somai <krsomaiATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <340D2B84.360FATnospamintercomm.com>

S.R.Peswani wrote:
>
> My first vippassana meditation experience at Igatpuri

Ram, I sent your article on to Gene Kieffer who worked with Gopi Krishna
for many years. Thanks for sharing. Gloria
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:49:25 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jlivingATnospamdirect.ca
Subject: Re: Kundalini Help in kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #426
Message-ID: <19970903174925.29450.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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You wrote:
>I have just joined the Kundalini List, and spent the long weekend
>reading all the available archived posts. The vast majority of them
>are concerned only with our own problems - which are often many, and
>this list is a wonderful place to get help - I, too, am learning from
>these posts !
>
>Some of the members are using their gifts for helping others in
>psychological ways - including Reiki and other healing.
>
>But how many members are using their gifts to help others in normal
>life ?
>
>By help I mean effort by the individual - excluding prayer, joining
>to 'make the world better', and the expected healing/psychological
>help.
>
>I ask this since in many cases the endeavours of yoga participants
>(and others) gives the appearance of being very selfish - aimed at
>raising their own level of awareness for their own advancement,
>including recognition as teachers - with no contribution to the
>general good.
>
>My personal opinion is that we are here to do good; that if we fail
>to use our gifts actively to help the world then we are not doing our
>job.

>I am sure that there are many on the list who are being active in
>doing good - if you could respond by indicating how you do this, you
>would be setting a good example for others to follow !

John,

I am all for "selfless service," it is a part of my practice. That means
it is not something I brag about, period. I don't talk about it, except
to friends. I've made a few friends via this list, but we do our
personal talking offline.

This is a "self-help" list. Talking about our problems and what worked
for us and listening to others do the same is what we do here (when we
stay on topic). We've had everything from "What is this kundalini?"
posts to flame wars over which teaching was correct and a lot of stuff
in between. I don't think that makes us selfish, it means we're doing
what we set out to do by joining the list.

You sound like a true Karma Yogi, good for you! It is an honorable and
noble path. But it is far from the only path. While some karma yoga has
been and is a part of my path it would be most inappropriate for me do
more than state that.

Frankly, long before I had heard of Kundalini, my mother had made it
clear to me that doing good was just that, something you did, it was not
something you talked about. Talking about it was/is bragging and not a
good thing to do. Mom was right about a few things.

I realize I'm venting a bit here but having people tell me I need to
talk about doing good is a hot button. If you see a hungry homeless man,
feed him! Don't tell me about it, don't decide to organize the world to
end poverty, just do your duty and feed him.
If you only have one meal on you:
Is he 50 lbs overweight? If so don't feed him.
If he's too skinny, hand him your lunch, you can eat later.
What is there to talk about?

Helping someone, when done in the most productive way for both parties,
is an intimate one-to-one interaction. Intimate means we don't talk
about it. To talk about it robs the person receiving the gift of dignity
and the right to feel he/she was the reason the gift was given. Talking
about it robs the giver of the certainty that his/her gift wasn't given
for some (perhaps subconsciously) selfish reason to show the world "how
good I am". When you look at the list of donors at the symphony or the
art museum and read the names of all who gave their hundreds, thousands,
or tens of thousands, the only ones you **know** love music or art are
the ones listed as "Anonymous".

I'm not a Christian but Jesus and I agree on this one (at least
according to the Bible).

Maybe talking about not doing it (helping others, making love, or
whatever) has value to explore "what is wrong with me" questions.

Namaste,

Joe

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:17:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Help
Message-Id: <199709032017.PAA26650ATnospamdfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>

I expect you'll have hit a nerve with this one. It's certainly an
issue I've thought about a lot. My general response is that I assume
most of us with active K spend time doing good works -- maybe most
effectively in ways we'll never know about. This list is a place to
regenerate, connect in love and wisdom, that we need in order to keep
going outside where it is not always friendly.

Speaking more personally, my need to do good had taken on a somewhat
compulsive quality at times and it was only when I got really tired and
finally pulled some of the energy inward that the k-awakening broke
through. I'm still in a more inward phase than outward but I imagine
this too shall pass (my mantra of the moment). Sometimes my good work
of the day is containing the inner storm enough to maintain good
manners to the people around me and, lo and behold, the storm seems to
dissipate. I do find that I respond to people in trouble without
giving it a second thought whereas before K I used to go into a kind of
paralysis. Actually helped catch a car thief the other day! All this
is a long way of saying I'm trying to trust the Thy will rather than
the My will. Holly
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:34:21 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: forgiveness
Message-ID: <340E2C3D.76DATnospamdial.pipex.com>

While I was roaming through the forest, a thorn pricked my bare foot and
cried: "Ah, you have crushed me." I felt sorry and asked its
forgiveness.

A wasp flying in the air stung my arm and cried, "Ah, you have caught me
in
your sleeve." I felt sorry and asked its forgiveness.
My foot slipped and I fell in a pool of muddy water. The water cried,
"Ah,
you have disturbed me." I felt sorry and asked its forgiveness.
I absently happened to touch a burning fire, and the fire cried: "Ah,
you
had extinguished me." I felt sorry and I asked its forgiveness.
I asked my gentle self, "Have you received any harm?"
"be thankful", said she, "that it was not worse."

Vadan/Alankaras No 820.
Complete Saying of Hazrat Inayat Khan

--
A R C
Lobster playground . . .
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/index.html
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:23:50
From: Charles Burnett <lcburnetATnospampeabody.jhu.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970903112350.2aff3402ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi, I hope everything has been well...
   I just got back to a computer now that I have been away for a summer.
Such an interesting summer... I hope I can get my name back on the list!
      Charlie Burnett
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:23:04
From: "Wright, James 7929" <JwrightATnospamphelpsd.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A Life of Service (was: Kundalini Help)
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 ----------
From: John Living[SMTP:jlivingATnospamdirect.ca]
<Snip!>
>>But how many members are using their gifts to help others in normal
life ?
<Snip!>
>>I am sure that there are many on the list who are being active in doing
>>good - if you could respond by indicating how you do this, you would be
>>setting a good example for others to follow !
<Snip!>
Welcome, John!
I'm not sure it's possible to live any other way, now that I think of it
 - Ram says that even "wars and killers" have their place in the scheme of
things. Tough to imagine, but I suppose it's possible.
I'm not enlightened yet, third eye still firmly shut, but I THINK I am
living a life of service. It shows in lots of little ways....
Making calls for my friend when another (who usually does) is out of
town. Only the request was necessary, to inform me that I was needed.
Rubbing my wife's aching back when I'd rather be getting a head start on
sleep. Her needs before mine.
Giving encouragement and enthusiasm to co-workers when they come with
questions that hide insecurity.
It doesn't have to be a big thing; it's probably not a continuous thing;
but it's just taking the opportunities that arise to be of service to
someone, anyone, who could use a little of your spark to re-ignite their
own fire.
How do you spell love? Without using letters?
james
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 13:26:18
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
Cc: morganaATnospambest.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enough of Di
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970903132618.2affabbaATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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At 05:00 03/09/97 -0700, M wrote:
>Morgana,
>
>Once again, I want to say, perhaps more clearly this time, that I was trying
>to initiate a discussion about the common myth that once a woman develops
>some will she'll die. To me this 'death' was insignifigant except as a very
>attention-getting repitition of that trite old myth.
>
>Maybe someday we can have that discussion. Certainly not now it seems.
>
>M
>
  Okay, I did not quite get that you wanted to discuss the phenomena.. just
that you were looking for a film list, and Dina's co-incident...
  Probably my own blocking, as I have dissectted this issue thoroughly, for
myself. Or else I cound not manifest as I do, with my Roman Catholic
upbringing.
  "Women who run with the Wolves", by Clarissa Pinkola Estes, is a good
book for clearing that patriarchal morality play stuff out of your head. In
a way, it is a book about how to relate to K., for womyn, it examines the
common Fairy tales, but Dr. Estes has researched the ancient tales back to
before they were rewritten into Patriarchal mores, and how they are a guide
to relating to the "Wild Wolf Woman", inside every woman. A guide to
awakening older instincts.
  She even takes a story like "the Red Shoes", and explains how it is abput
how women can get swept away by their own creativity insisting on expression.
  Inspired, I rewrote the ending for a grounding workshop on creativity and
the Root chakra for the "Tribe of the Fire Serpent".
  In my ending to "the Red Shoes", when the girl dances past the
executioner and desperately asks to have her feet cut off, the executioner,
who has seen too much of harsh punishment and death, has the compassion to
see that a girl should not lose her feet for a love of dancing and beauty.
  He catches her and ties her up very tightly, so she cannot move at all
except for her mouth, let alone dance, and feeds her some soup. She has not
eaten or slept in days, and finally still, she passes out, and has a
visionary dream in which the shoes speak to her, and explain that they are
a gift of talent, and how she may dance before all of the kings and
nobility of the world, and enjoy a happy life, if only she will surrender
to their plans for her, and allow them to dance her path. She may sit to
eat, if she does a little slow waltz shuffle under the table as she eats,
and when she sleeps, she will be dancing among the stars in her dreams, to
delight the angels. The shoes speak of other dances, horizontal dances of
love and pleasure she can do with the executioner, and how they have danced
her to him because he is a kind man with a good heart, which she never
would have seen but for her desperation, and he is meant to be her beloved
soul mate.

  When I became a Domina, I spent quite some time in contemplation of the
cinderella/wicked witch duality. "Good girls go to heaven, bad girls get
killed", was a theme that had not escaped my attention.
  The most notable exception to this was Morticia Addams. Morticia
completely inspires me. She speaks as if she has an absolute childlike
delight in evil, and service to the archetypes of evil, yet she is always
kind and loving, perfectly polite and ladylike, generous with her time and
attention, always willing to contribute to the community... tho sometimes
her contributions are a bit inappropriate.. I also figured but that the
reason she generously allows her children to murder each other in play, is
that she can bring them back from the dead so effortlessly that it is no
worry. Perhaps she keeps their souls safe in a jar.. so they cannot be
killed. ;)
 She has all the power, a deal with the devil, so she never needs to raise
her voice or nag. She can have nearly anything she wants, but keeps her
focus on her relationships. She is extremely passionate.. and chooses to
act with love at all times, because the choice of love is the choice for a
happy life.
  The Addamses are a force of nature, sometimes creative, sometimes
destructive, with equal joy in the fullness of their tao. Nature seems to
support them by usually giving them the kind of weather they like best.. K.
Zapping thunderstorms. Harm directed at them inevitably bounces back on the
sender, threefold.
  It occurs to me that Morticia would probably see it as apropos or the
90's, that this time it's the fairy tale princess who came to a bad end,
instead of the "wicked witch".. or, was the Di expressing both sides of her
tao too?
  Does the fairy tale princess turn into the wicked witch if she gets
divorced from the prince? With the good girls turned bad, their guilt over
acting up destroys them.
  Morticia's age is in the hundreds.. and the athleticism and youth of her
family suggests Kundalini "diamond body" to me... Morticia is fully
enlightened!!?
  Morticia is uniquely herself, and external judgements of goodness or
badness from society have little effect on her self esteem. She wants to
see people happy, and makes no judgements on how they pursue that
happiness, even if it infringes on her wellbeing. She will take steps to
protect herself and her loved ones, yet aside from having a few pets and
toys lying around that might trap the overcurious, she seldom moves against
anyone's free will. She is virtuosly accepting. She never gets angry. She
never seeks revenge, the fall of her enemies is always a repurcussion of
ther own foolish greed or hatred.
  When things are not going well, she uses tools of loving communication,
to try to remake the peace, rather than guilt or violence. Her husband
gives her unconditional love, and is happily her willing slave, she is the
strength in the family.
  Ladies of the list, as a Role Model for those with magic in their lives,
I present: Morticia Addams. :)
  Blessings, Serpent.

Mystress Angelique Serpent,
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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  Swami Beyondananda on the Golden Rule: "It seems that when
masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they
become sadists," the Swami said. "Consequently, the Golden Rule
has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
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 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.

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