1997/09/01 07:04
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #420
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 420
Today's Topics:
Emotional resistance
Re: Emotional resistance
one might say
life imitates melodrama, dammit
page from my diary
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Mystery
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Perhaps mind sees melodrama, wheareas soul finds purpose?
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Re: Perhaps mind sees melodrama, wheareas soul finds purpose?
Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:48:51 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
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Subject: Emotional resistance
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Not news to some, but this might be useful to others... on Fear.
*****
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EMOTIONAL RESISTANCE
By: Serge Kahili King Ph.D.
>From the Book: Urban Shaman
Resistance also comes from fear and anger. We resist what we fear, and we
resist what anger us. Even though the resistance might originate with lono
(mind) decisions, however, the ku (body) expresses emotional resistance with
the physical stress cycle
Natural fear is intended to warn you of impending danger, and in the natural
process it will disappear as soon as you take action. With our creative
imaginations, however, we often generate unnatural fear long after an event
and frequently in spite of an event. Recently during a class at our center
on Kauai a woman reported that she had just come from saving a child from
drowning and was still traumatized by fear because of the event. I had her
examine her thought patterns and she was able to realize that the fear and
trauma were coming from imagining vividly what MIGHT have happened if she
hadn't been there. Intead of rejoicing in the actual success of her rescue,
she was scaring herself silly with fantasy. By dwelling on fearful fantasy
she was inducing a continuos increase of tension in her body. Symptoms of
paralysis, hypofunction (lowered activity), rigidity, anxiety, nausea, and
dizziness may have fear as an important factor.
Natural anger has the purpose of focusing energy to change something in yuor
inmediate situation, either by warning or direct action. It gets unnatural
when we use memory to refuel it over and over again. Besides the fact that
we end up being angry at the memory rather than the actual person or
situation in the present, sustained anger plays real havoc with the body and
is probably the primary factor in most sickness, Wherever you have
swelling, infection, inflammation, fever soreness, and sores or tumors, you
have anger as an important factor. It is also a factor to take in account
in conditions of rigidity and pain of any kind.
Now let's look at some "quick-n-easy" ways of dealing with each.
THE EXPECTATION EFFECT
It is helpful to know what fear really is. FEAR IS SIMPLY THE EXPECTATION OF
PAIN, THE RESULT OF PROJECTING THE IMAGINATION INTO THE FUTURE, FROM A POINT
IN THE PRESENT OR IN THE PAST, AND MAKING UP AN EXPERIENCE OF PAIN. FEAR IS
NEVER ABOUT THE PRESENT, BUT ONLY ABOUT FUTURE. THE PROBLEM IS, THE KU
(body) DOESN'T KNOW THAT. WHATEVER YOU PUT IN YOUR MIND IS TREATED BY THE
KU AS A PRESENT MOMENT HAPPENING. ANTICIPATING PAIN IS THE SAME AS
EXPERIENCING PAIN FOR THE KU, AND SO IT TAKES THE BODY INTO A NEGATIVE
STRESS CYCLE.
Relaxation, of course, reduces fear, and so does knowledge in many cases.
Fear is always accompained by tension, so if you are completely relaxed you
can't fell fear or anger, and if you have certain knowledge that what you
fear can't happen or won't cause pain, the fear will also go away. However,
the fastest and simplest method I have found for getting rid of fear is to
shift your focus to its opposite. Fear is the expectation of pain, so its
opposite is the expectation of pleasure. I usually demostrate this by
having a class focus on the idea, "What if something terrible happens in the
next five minutes?" After a few moments of letting them feel their body's
reactions, I then say, "But think of this, what if something wonderfull
happens instead?" And they feel the inmediate shift toward pleasure that
the positive expectation brings. Even if you are in a situation where you
are absolutely certain that someting painful is going to happen (as in a
dentist's chair), go ahead and make the shift to an actual or fantastical
positive expectation anyway. Once the fear has given you the warning you
don't need anymore, nor do you need the tension it causes.
*********
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:04:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Emotional resistance
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At 02:48 PM 8/31/97 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote:
>Not news to some, but this might be useful to others... on Fear.
>*****
It does not have to be news to be useful. Reminders come at synchronicistic
times. Also, I find old ideas newly expressed can have a certain charm or
clarity that the first sometimes long ago news did not, etc., etc.
So, thanks for the post.
M
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 01:58:57 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca,
insight <insightATnospamworld.std.com>, genius-LATnospamnewciv.org,
Anold Lloyd <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>,
"Garden (the)" <thegardenATnospamworld.std.com>
Subject: one might say
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A long time ago and also in the future, once upon a time one might say .
. .
Certain people made a choice. They decided to develop two qualities. One
was the tendency to ask questions and two was the capability to find
answers.
Now.
It seems these were related. The ability to ask questions was dependent
on certain conditions. One was the acceptance of ignorance. You could
not not after all ask, if you knew the answer - or could you? What if,
as someone once said, "the answer was in the question". Perhaps the
questioning was really the seeking of input?
When people ask "what is the time?" there is of course a simple answer
but there are more questions in the question that may provide many
answers. What is the importance of time, the implications of the
question? Does knowing the answer tell us anything of value? In fact the
questions themself were questioned.
And so too the answers became not based on asking new questions but on a
growing awareness of the answers already in existence. The knowing
already provided.
And the point of this story? Well I guess that is for you to question -
and answer.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 20:12:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Subject: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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Remember this? Re-read the last paragraph in light of the weekend's most
publicized tragedy.
>Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:25:59
>To: klist
>From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
>Subject: videography help
>Dear Klist folks,
>I am trying to compose a list of movies that
> a.) can be rented
> b.) show women developing and then exerting their will.
>The only 2 I have come up with are <<Norma Ray>> and <<Lorenzo's Oil>>.
>
>>>Can any of you help me add to this list? Just beware of recommending
those with >>>hidden or final disasterous paybacks to our heroine - like
Madame Bovary, Anna >>>Karenina and, more recently, Thelma and Louise.
So, we have a young woman finally developing WILL - publicly. She breaks
out of a loveless marriage, refuses to fade away, then, she actually seems
to fall in love. After one year of freedom, and one month of sexual fun,
maybe bliss, who knows, then . . . presto, chango - sudden death in a car
accident!
What dead white male wrote this script?
Why did she just play her part so well
- instead of rewritng the hackneyed plot line?
(If you are going to be an icon it helps to die young, maybe?)
Thoughts?
M
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:22:06 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: page from my diary
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Today, the date is 27th Jan ' 95. Approx. 2.5 years have passed
since I started meditation. I have come across a lot of obstacles, both
from outside and from inside. But certain thinkings or thoughts from
Buddhic plane that I have received have helped me to cross these
obstacles and I am continuing my present method of meditation which I had
picked up from U. Ba khin Journal and vipassana meditation method at
Igatpuri. They helped me more than Gurus.
Those thoughts were:
1) As told by Guatam Budha , our body has billions of kalapas
spread over throughout the complete body. These kalapas are not visible by
any modern science methods, but Guatam Budha due to his intense meditation
and development of third eye could see through and measure the size of
kalapa .He has given this size as 1/46456 th of a dust particle which is
ground by repeated driving under wheel of a chariot.
2) That these kalapas die and are reborn billions of times in a
second. These kalapas are always born with field force of the type of
thought as well as the strength of this force is propotional to the
intensity of the thought.
When we concentrate inside our body , this change in kalapas can
be observed in the form of sensations or pain , heat cold etc,etc. Normaly
meditation means to be a seer (observer) of thoughts , emotions etc.
inside oneself. But what happens that we get involved in the thought or
emotion and instead of being a seer , we may multiply the intensity of the
thought. This does not happen when we are observing the sensations. So
that becomes easier method of meditation.
Now our whole body from top to toe is full of these kalapas of
various emotions . As a seer when we observe them they can cause pain or
joy as fruit . This also gives us an idea by which we can change our
nature. If we are hating some object at a certain instant , keeping that
object in front of our mind , we instead start filling in love or maitry.
Sometimes this may be difficult to do as mind may not obey but if our will
power is more than the force of hatred, we will succeed. Even if we fail
in our first attempt , we will be able to weaken the force of hatred .
Second attempt will bring in success.
In fact the laws of nature keep complete record of our thoughts
and actions through these kalapas and we automatically keep record of our
karmas. We then go through the fruits of these karmas and slowly learn
right from wrong. Our body of kalapas is like a modern day computer.
computer runs on electrons in intgrated circuits , But our mind computer
runs on seven colours of light rays instead of two types of electrons that
is positrons and electrons in modern day computers. Moreover our body
computer runs on kalapas which are much smaller than electrons and is
multi layered. Moreover it is conected to chain of super computers which
are given different names . These names are Physical, Astral , Lower
mental , higher mental , buddhic atmic etc. bodi es consisting of even
finer than kalapas particles.It can be rightly said that our body computer
is billion times better to any super computers of today.
All these bodies have entrance door in the form of chakras. All
kundalini people understand these chakras. Each time we become a seer ,we
purify one of our bodies. When all the kalapas of first body are purified
sitting in meditation , one starts seeing the next body and the
purification of next body starts. This is what is
called trascending to next plane . Budhic enlightment takes one to eighth
plane One becomes free from birth in human life after fourth plane.
When a person has almost completely purified first four bodies, he
either becomes an arhant or adopts a way of bodhisattva by way of
compassion. Arhant after death will not come back to human birth but will
have new bodies in the form of causal , buddhic and atmic.
Bodhisattvas has the option to come to human life and
practice compassion.
ram
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 03:10:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Message-ID: <970901031018_533631148ATnospamemout11.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-01 01:27:08 EDT, you write:
<< What dead white male wrote this script?
Why did she just play her part so well >>
Our life isn't something that is done to us. If this life was Diana's soul's
only shot, yes it might read like a fictional tragedy. But I thought one of
the concepts of reincarnation is that we choose our life chores ourselves.
How come the theory of karma flies out the window when we talk about real
life cases? I notice that no one who talks about being a victim wants to say
it was a karmic debt, even when claiming to buy into the reicarnation
package.
I don't know of a single person who didn't learn something from watching
Diana. So while we indulge our egos who wish they could write the scripts
for the lives of others, shouldn't we try to remember the big, perfect
picture that is working out exactly as it is supposed to? It does lessen the
sorrow.
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 03:13:57 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Mystery
Message-ID: <340A6B35.672EATnospammail.snet.net>
Mystery
I chose the path of ancient ones.
Who knew the deepest crevices of the universe.
They knew the world seen.
To be but the surface.
They dove into the deep.
Where the sleepy feared to tread.
Beyond the body.
Beyond the brain.
To a sacred mood . . .
Beyond ritual.
They danced with spirits
by fires.
On moonlit nights.
And transformed themselves
Into every manifestation of the One.
They became the frequency of crystals.
And animals.
Minerals and dreams.
And things unseen.
They knew depths so deep.
One could get lost in a blink.
And become a casualty of the great unknown.
to drown in an endless sea.
Seduced by Mystery.
(What a flirt)
She called them home.
They are her children.
She called them by name.
Where they went no ones knows.
They are deep within her caves.
????????????????????????????
Date: 1 Sep 97 10:11:42
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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Hi,
You wrote ...
>Our life isn't something that is done to us. If this life was Diana's soul's
>only shot, yes it might read like a fictional tragedy. But I thought one of
>the concepts of reincarnation is that we choose our life chores ourselves.
> How come the theory of karma flies out the window when we talk about real
>life cases? I notice that no one who talks about being a victim wants to say
>it was a karmic debt, even when claiming to buy into the reicarnation
>package.
Well, the fact is that the theory of karma is the only theory that will hold
good in
this case.
We are, and will always be a result of our past and present. This full Universe
is the result of the past, and so are we. We are entirely, fully and
unconditionally
responsible for our fate and actions. We do get emotional and throw theories
"out of the window" , but that is only our emotions and sentiments. The truth
remains
intact. All our life is the result of our past, imediate or the future. This is
what gives
meaning to our lives. We are the "Captain of our fates". Anything contrary to
this
would only be sentimental and illogical.
When we talk of karma, we need not get into economic concepts of "karmic debt"
etc. Life is beyond a simple book keeping. The book keeping concept is a
simplified
concept to explain this to children. The karma truth is far beyond that. It is
all-
pervading.
When we talk of real life cases, we are overwhelmed with emotion and cannot
think clearly. To give some straight discussions we could probably discuss off-
the-list the "karmas" that lead to tragedies. We all have our faults which a)
we do
not notice, or b) do not recognise them as faults. Even Hitler thought he was
doing
a service to humanity as he indulged in the vilest of deads.
Wherever there is prosperity, there is karma, wherever there is tragedy there
is
karma. If we get elated with prosperity and dejected with tragedy, that is karma
as well. Even a little thing like fame getting into your head and you feeling
great
about it is bad karma, and would lead to your getting egoistic and eventually
to
a fall. The moment you get a little elated with success, or dejected with
failure
that is bad karma. It is only the person with calm poise, who can look at both
with
equanimity and as Rudyard Kipling put it -- "treat both the imposters the
same"
that you can rise above your own ocean of karma and begin to see its working.
When we ar caught up with it ourselves we get emotional and sentimental and
start "throwing theories out of the window".
So do not get emotional about "real-life" cases. The theory of karma, nay, the
Law of Karma, works, works for individuals, works for societies, works for
nations,
and works for the Universe. Nothing, nothing at all escapes this Law.
When the K rises, with it so does our intellect level, and along with that
reduces
our dependance on the external world and we can manage to spend more effort
on introspection. Use K, develop and then you will see all the laws working
perfectly.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 02:56:34 -0700
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Perhaps mind sees melodrama, wheareas soul finds purpose?
Message-ID: <340A9152.10325CFFATnospamsirius.com>
M -
Here's a way to look at the Diana thing that you may find a bit more
palatable: young woman courageously (and *so* publicly) breaks out of one of
the most limited female social roles in all of western society (first
embodying, then shattering an absolute archetype of dependency), previously
having worked tirelessly on numerous social issues to better the lives of
others. She did all this (completed her curriculum, if you will), had a
little fun and now has *Moved On*. Remember: Death Is Not The Enemy! We all
go! (What did you expect her to do, climb Everest? cure cancer? ;-))
I think she'll be fine w/o us; And we'll be okay w/o her.
Best,
Paul
>M wrote:
> Remember this? Re-read the last paragraph in light of the weekend's most
> publicized tragedy.
> So, we have a young woman finally developing WILL - publicly. She breaks
> out of a loveless marriage, refuses to fade away, then, she actually seems
> to fall in love. After one year of freedom, and one month of sexual fun,
> maybe bliss, who knows, then . . . presto, chango - sudden death in a car
> accident!
>
> What dead white male wrote this script?
> Why did she just play her part so well
> - instead of rewritng the hackneyed plot line?
>
> (If you are going to be an icon it helps to die young, maybe?)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> M
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 04:38:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: "Hannah A. Kimsey/John S. Siegel" <jssaekATnospamc2i2.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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At 09:58 PM 8/31/97 -0700, Hannah A. Kimsey/John S. Siegel wrote:>
>The script you describe is not all that straightforward. Stalking is a
>true crime of violence; please do not blame the victim.
>
>Look at the last photos of this woman and you will see sanpaku eyes and
>you will hear an exhausted voice. She is tired beyond her years.
>
>It is interesting that at the point of a very, very fragile beginning,
>sometimes the silver cord breaks down. Life (all beginnings) is very,
>very , very fragile.
>
>Fragile beginnings for Princess Di. The tragedy only occurs to the
>"high-borne," not to the commoner.
>
>When your number's up, your number is up whether on the street, on the
>battlefield, or the comfort of your own bed. No one knows when the
>silver cord will be cut; it is not at the most opportune time for the
>person that the Angel of Death appears.
>
>The world killed Princess Diana; the media was merely the agent of the
>public in this tragedy. The public drank her dry.
>
>One does not often live in a time when there is a real princess about.
>Di was a true princess.
>
>Live well because death is forever.
>Hannah and John
>Judge not.
I believe all of the above to be judgemental to the max. . .death is
forever? The world killed her? Come on...I gave a bare bones summary of her
life from the point of view of the development of her will. What you've
given is, well, lots of judgement and opinion.
M
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:22:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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At 03:10 AM 9/1/97 -0400, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-09-01 01:27:08 EDT, you write:
>
><< What dead white male wrote this script?
> Why did she just play her part so well >>
>Our life isn't something that is done to us. If this life was Diana's soul's
>only shot, yes it might read like a fictional tragedy. But I thought one of
>the concepts of reincarnation is that we choose our life chores ourselves.
> How come the theory of karma flies out the window when we talk about real
>life cases? I notice that no one who talks about being a victim wants to say
>it was a karmic debt, even when claiming to buy into the reicarnation
>package.
>I don't know of a single person who didn't learn something from watching
>Diana. So while we indulge our egos who wish they could write the scripts
>for the lives of others, shouldn't we try to remember the big, perfect
>picture that is working out exactly as it is supposed to? It does lessen the
>sorrow.
It seems I was not very clear.
Your post indicates that mine portrays Di as a victim.
Hannah and John's post indicates I 'blame the victim'.
Neither is accurate nor what I was trying to communicate.
I just think it is time to re-write the basic script - basic to literature
and public life if not private lives - that has women die tragically upon
the full blossoming of their will.
Diana's brief life seemed to begin to rise above that tired old formula but
obviously did not. I simply wish it had because . . .
we need to see willful women suceed and lead long full lives. It is one of
the directions I thought human evolution was headed in just now. And,
perhaps it still is, but she did not choose to model that.
(Then again I do have a new theory about accidents I'll save for another post.)
Karma?
Sure, maybe. Maybe not.
Victim of stalkers?
I guess. Or not.
Set back for young women who saw her as a role model?
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
The part I care about is that yet another very visible young woman life's
has been abbreviated as soon as she demonstrated the power of her own will.
Silly me, I thought the myth was changing. I thought the death of Nicole
Simpson was that of a victim who aroused her will too late. Here I think we
have a true role model who had a chance to re-write the myth.
Other young women really needed to see her be successful at taking charge of
her own life, not die like a heroine in a melodrama that has been recast too
many times. The plot and timing could have been written by Flaubert or any
other dead white male writer whose shadow agenda was >>>to keep women down.
That's all I am saying.
If this death provokes discussions of karma, and judgements and other such,
fine. I think it should provoke discussions of admirable women almost
>>having to die<< just as it becomes obvious that they have developed a
strong will. Why do we humans here on planet earth need to see that story
played out over and over again? I am bored with that plot and think it is
harmful to our future development. Don't you?
Oh, well. . .
M
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
Cc: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Perhaps mind sees melodrama, wheareas soul finds purpose?
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At 02:56 AM 9/1/97 -0700, Paul Ellis wrote:
> She did all this (completed her curriculum, if you will), had a
>little fun and now has *Moved On*. Remember: Death Is Not The Enemy! We all
>go! (What did you expect her to do, climb Everest? cure cancer? ;-))
>
Live her self-chosen happy life >>long enough<< that young women would >not<
have to read into it >>>the moral that "it is dangerous to be a willful
woman on planet earth in the late 20th century". That's all I wanted.
M
Date: 1 Sep 97 15:28:34
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
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Dear M,
>The part I care about is that yet another very visible young woman life's
>has been abbreviated as soon as she demonstrated the power of her own will.
>Silly me, I thought the myth was changing. I thought the death of Nicole
>Simpson was that of a victim who aroused her will too late. Here I think we
>have a true role model who had a chance to re-write the myth.
>
>Other young women really needed to see her be successful at taking charge of
>her own life, not die like a heroine in a melodrama that has been recast too
>many times. The plot and timing could have been written by Flaubert or any
>other dead white male writer whose shadow agenda was >>>to keep women down.
>That's all I am saying.
>
>If this death provokes discussions of karma, and judgements and other such,
>fine. I think it should provoke discussions of admirable women almost
>>>having to die<< just as it becomes obvious that they have developed a
>strong will. Why do we humans here on planet earth need to see that story
>played out over and over again? I am bored with that plot and think it is
>harmful to our future development. Don't you?
>
>Oh, well. . .
>
>M
I think we are over-reacting. Yes, the world does take notice of women with
will-power and self-expression more than self-expressing men in the same
situation. That is because of the age-old "men's world v/s women's world"
syndrome. This is age-old and beaten topic of discussion. Yes, there have
to be changes to ensure that a woman with will is seen as a person with will
instead of having to be seen specially as a woman.
There is another angle to this. Why on earth do we need "role models" ???
Are we not mature human beings to learn how to lead our own lives ? Do we
not know what to do in our particular situation ? The problem with our system
of education probably is that it teaches us technical and analytical skills but
not how to live life.
>we need to see willful women suceed and lead long full lives.......
Just look around, you will see several examples. Lady Di was one such, but
the only one such. Willful women are not always glamorous, not always under
the spotlight of clicking cameras. Willful women, like willful men, do fight
their
battles, fight it out till the goal is reached.
Lots and lots of dignified glamourous Hollywood actresses have lived their
full happy (and unhappy) lives like all normal celebrities.
Even in the field of religion there have been a number of lady saints who have
had wonderful visions of the Lord and have helped eveyone who have come
in contact with them.
Do not want to drag on this topic of picking up successful women from
practically
every field of human endeavour, but the tragedy of Lady Di does not mean the
end of the road. We have to have a more mature outlook.
Cheers and love to all.
Ashanka
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