1997/08/28 00:29
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #414
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 414
Today's Topics:
Re: Order of Melchizedek
FANTASY AND REALITY
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Coupla questions.
Re: just checking
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New to Kundalini
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:53:18
From: NasalamATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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EaTrom, you write:
> Yes, Uriel, that is the Way that I understand it too. Not so much a
> religion as a Way of Life. My Opinion on myself, is that I am here to set
> an example of how a Light Being should be; compassionate, loving and
> caring, spreading knowledge to those who ask, but not forcing any
> particular dogma down anyone's throat.
I would be very interested in hearing about your connection with the OoM -
how you learned about it, connected with it, etc.
namaste!
uriel
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:14:19
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Subject: FANTASY AND REALITY
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I downloaded the weekend's mail into a large text file at my ISP office..
but who knows when my connectivity will be up to sending my response? Cut
and pasted this one into Eudora, forgive my verbosity as I haven't incoming
mail to distract me from my delusional ravings... ;D
E Jason wrote:
>
> FANTASY AND REALITY
>
> Every person is respected and of value. Each person has
> potential and worth.
Yes indeedy, for we are all one..
> However on the spiritual path we must develop
> discrimination and wisdom. A person who shows and
> displays some ability and is also delusional and
> undergoing transitional stages can be potentially
> damaging towards other peoples progress.
And here is where discrimination begins and wisdom heads out of the door..
When we think we know what another soul "needs" to experience to
progress.. and begin judging the path of another. When we begin judging the
beliefs of others as "delusional".. that is how teachers come to be burnt
and crucified..
Delusion begins when we begin to think our negative opinions could be
more powerful that Goddess ability to lead her children through any
darkness or illusion.
When we think we need to "save" people from what other people think..
instead of accepting the perfection of everything, and allowing others to
follow Goddess in thier own way.
> It is up to both
> parties to develop the ability to differentiate between
> genuine spirituality and spurious ego fantasies.
Go forth then, O wise Crustacean, with thy sword in hand and sweep away
those false prophets and thier spurious ego fantasy religions.. First,
Serpent... then.. the Pope!?!
The Ayatollah is already dead, but he has replacements.. Go get 'em... :)
> People will follow and respect people with limited
> realisation or who are prone to fantasy and the result
> can be anything from dependence to group psychosis.
Ah, a warning for the poor deluded sheep... thankyou for your concern
for our sanity.. is this the kind of wisdom one gets from pretending to be
a lobster?
This is the wisdom one gets as Serpent:
People have strange illusions about power.. they persist in thinking that
their power can be stolen from them. They do this because it is easier to
pretend to be a victim than to accept full responsibility for the events
they have attracted in their own life.
It cannot, I ought to know, from extensive study.. lifetimes worth..
Power can never be stolen, it is always traded or given away. Always,
Always, Always.. we are getting unconsciously, and from our very bones,
tons of information about what truth is: Goddess speaks to us from everywhere.
We choose to believe in separation and limitation, instead.
We have chosen, on some level, everything that we experience.
It is futile to judge the experiences another soul seeks, as we do not
know the lessons that are sought.
On discovering this truth/dynamic about power, and free will, I started
looking at the myriad ways that people do choose give their power away..
and why they make the choice to be a victim.
It is a common choice, and we all make it.. or else we would all be
moving across the earth like the Gods and Goddesses, that we truly are:
except for the limiting ego fears that we give our power away to. Round and
round it goes.
Yet we chose the veil of forgetfulness before birth, choose to be born
small and dependent, just as we choose the major experiences we may rail
against, and we have already chosen the hour of our death, our return to
timeless infinity.
Feel your bones resonate at this truth?
It is a hard thing, to take 100% responsibility for that which occurs to
you in your life.. yet cosmic promises say every bit of it has purpose, has
in some way been attracted to you by you for your evolution..
.. and that we will never be given anything we cannot handle.
There is in this city a bronze statue of Terry Fox.. he lost a leg to
cancer, so he decided to run across the length of Canada, with one
artificial leg, to raise money for cancer research. Cancer got him before
he made it the whole way. Cancer is certainly a darkness, but darkness
inspires... Terry Fox is an inspiration to millions.
Looking at it from a faith perspective, cancer was an incredible gift to
Terry.
Yes, he died in he end.. so do we all.. and it is not the worst
experience a lifetime can hold, or there would be no suicide.
Death too is illusion.
Realizing how much energy is really given to fear, I started noticing the
folks who like to spread fear thoughts.
Alfred Hitchcock made fear delicous. It can be addictive.
An insurance sales person complained to me that she suffered from chronic
anxiety.. I comented that it might have something to do with her job
depending on persuading people that disaster lay just around the corner.
Most of advertising consists of persuading you to part with your power in
the form of money and security.. from deodorant advertising to soft drinks
to sneakers, even banking and cars.. promoting insecurity sells!!
Politicians love to promote fear, coz scared people are more
controllable: they are not thinking as clearly. Hitler persuaded Germany
that the Jews were a threat that had to be totally eliminated. Fear makes
the vibration lower, there is less empathy, less connection to cosmic
wisdom. Military budgets depend on fear.
Of course, the very best fear peddlers come from organized religions:
especially the ones that threaten their followers with dire penalties for
various transgressions.. These types also tend to have a vested interest in
labeling any other beliefs or leaders (that they percieve as a threat from
their bunkered fear-state) as being false and deluded, with dire penalties
accompanying following their ways.. as if a soul could ever come to harm..?
All roads lead to Goddess, in the end.. even the roads of those who trade
in fear. Hitler went to heaven: She'd not have it any other way, Her love
for us is unconditional. Some roads may seem faster or slower, but time
outside of this place is not real.
Any road comes faster with the choice to give power to love rather than
to fear.
Power of thought energy, belief energy, .. bandwidth energy..
Free will, evolution: Choose to express love or fear? Over and over..
There are also the well meaning fear-peddlers.. my Mom yelling "Watch
out" in my ear when I am driving because she thinks I haven't seen a
pedestrian that's 200 yards away, startling me so badly I nearly swerve
into a truck.. she thinks she has done me a favor: skaking with adrenaline,
as I try to get grounded again, I am now driving so badly that she is even
more convinced I need her help spotting lights, signs, anything.. at 40
decibels.. I find it more difficult to give unconditional love to my Mom
when she is expressing fear. Maintaining the focus that when she is
behaving like this, is when she needs the unconditional love the most,
helps. I remember the reason that I am driving is because she is too
nervous to get behind the wheel herself. Compassion manifests patience.
Ego speaks of fear.. Spirit speaks of love. Fear lowers the vibration
into separation- behavior.. love raises the vibration into wisdom and unity.
I give love to my ego, and to all of the dire warnings it comes up with,
fears of delusion or insanity.. those fears have held me back from really
immersing myself in the Serpent Wisdom. I see some truth in the concept
that we attract that which we hold in mind, and we attract that which we
fear most.. I don't want to go crazy, so the logical thing to do is to
surrender all of my fear of insanity to Goddess: Goddess won't let me go
crazy, or shape me into that which would seek to do harm. This is my
faith.. end of fear.. awakening of Ancient Serpent Wisdom more fully.. it
is a goodness, I am blessed.
The Serpent wisdom speaks of love and acceptance.
> For this reason wisdom has always tried to make people
> aware and independent.
Serpent Wisdom recognises the sovereignty of the individual:
you can't "make" anyone grow, feel, or think,
unless they choose to surrender to your control.
The law of Free Will does not allow it any other way.
Yet the path of the seeker, is the path of submission to guru, teacher,
trainer, to the will of Diety..
Serpent accepts control when it is freely offered, so that leadership may
be used to bring the individual closer to the light, raise awareness and to
then turn the leadership over to the individual's own awakened guidance
system, the voice of the opened heart.
>It has supported their genuine
> efforts, ignored their ramblings and ego and actively
> countered their limiting fantasies.
Serpent accepts all of their many expressions with unconditional love,
clear in the awareness that any judgement of imperfection must be made by
the ego.
It is my experience, that the genuinely successful communication of
unconditional love without judgement, all by itself is sufficient to raise
the vibration of the beloved soaring well beyond their limiting fantasies,
and fearful diversions.
> To say everything is part of the One is true but we do
> not advocate or support anything and everything.
The soul chooses out of it's own free will to create, the experiences of
the life's path. One does not need to walk the path of another, to give
unconditional love to the other that is the mirror of the One Self. All
things outside are a manifestation of the universe inside, and must be
given love and acceptance, even if they are to be released in favor of a
different choice.
In the end, that which we support becomes an attachment to release with
love, also.
> It is
> very important for people to develop their powers of
> rational and sane thought as well as the intuitive and
> other capabilities.
Thus speaks the ego, in it's own defense.. with the arrogance that it
knows better than Goddess. Ha ha.. played that game for years.
Yet it is the feeblest of the capabilities, even awakened and enhanced by
K. The wisdom of the body's cells alone is a trillion times greater than
the capacity of the mind, and the logical ego consciousness of the mind is
only a tiny portion of it's enormous potential.
> People who support each others delusions can be seen
> everywhere in the New age Circus. I'll support your
> delusions if you support mine. This is the game playing
> of children. It is amusing to play but is not the Way of
> Wisdom.
So your personal Us- and - them scenario is focused on new agers as the
villains..
Everybody needs a drum to bang .. my personal delusion is that sexuality
is meant to be an inherently sacred, natural, individual expression of
love, and the repression of this expression results in deep feelings of
shame that hinder the spiritual path, when the expression is meant to
assist wholeness. So the "bad guys" are the ones to promote sexual
repression.. yet they are the most repressed!! So I give them love.
I find contemplative irony, in that the infant science called psychiatry
which you claim would label me delusional, agrees with me as to the primary
sources of human misery.
More than game playing for children, tho.. delusions of fear and scarcity
create actions of greed and aggression. The Big Boys play delusion games
like "Gulf War" and "Global Deforestation".
> Wisdom plays a harder game and yet still swims in
> the Ocean. When a child says something wise we listen and
> gain from this, when the child says, "I am Superman or
> Wonder Woman", we smile.
We smile, thinking ourselves superior in our wisdom, as ego blinds us to
the gift we have lost: forgetting that the power of the I AM statement will
make the experience of Superman a reality for the child, enabling the child
to access the experience of Great power, and attendant lessons in it's wise
use for the common good, necessary for growth into caring adulthood.
I AM Mystress Angelique Serpent...
>People who need or claim status,
> who talk about their "spiritual" experiences and
> abilities, may eventually realise the futility of such
> actions.
It is my hope and desire that Lobster's reasons for his own shelled
reticence will not stop the flow of emails about member's spiritual
experiences and newly discovered abilities, and their personal feelings
about their progress on their individual paths of awakening. Serving the
individual's need for such expressions, so that they may be released or
supported, or at least shared and heard, is the PURPOSE of the K-list.
If you are finding it futile, Lobster, you know how to unsubscribe. I
give you love and blessings on your search for a less futile use of your
time and energy.
"Happy Trails" is my parting wish for the members who unsubscribe, if I
need to write to assist them.
> As adults and if we are attempting to travel the path of
> Shakti, Wisdom, Love etc. we must similarly learn to be
> open to wisdom and closed to nonsense.
Ego thinks that it knows what is wisdom.. so that it may play it's game
of separation and exclusion.. yet spirit can take the nonsense of a Zen
Koan, and in a burst of trancendence find an answer of wisdom that if
expressed in words, will again sound like nonsense.. spiritual truths often
sound like nonsense, until the mind has opened to understanding.
>To point out
> others fantasies in this best way open to us is a test of
> our own compassion.
To presume to judge that the experience of another as fantasy is the path
of arrogance.
To help another as best one can to fulfill a safe, loving and deeply
cherished fantasy so that it may be expressed and learned from is an act of
great compassion.
Ask anyone at the "Make a Wish" foundation for sick children..
>The inclination is to get personal
> satisfaction or stimulation from this process.
This natural instinct is wisdom speaking: if you are not getting some
personal satisfaction, then you are probably playing a martyr's game,
another manifestation of ego.
This is very, very important, and easy to lose sight of, thankyou,
Lobster..
If you are giving without any expectation of return, you are sending the
universe a message that you think your energy is worthless.
At the very least, expect to be paid back in Good Karma. You create out
of your expectations. Be up-front about them, clear, positive, and flexible!
Spiritual growth is meant to be a win-win situation, it feels good to
grow, and to help others grow. If you are clear about what you are getting
from the experience, you will stay motivated, and be clear in your
intentions.
Mother Theresa wants to go to heaven, and believes in the path of service
to get there.. she is clear about what she is getting for what she is
doing, and likely gets up in the morning with as much of a spring in her
step as her old body can manage.
My slaves are clear: they each sought someone like myself to give their
service to for years, and it is the slavery itself that gives them
pleasure, the sense of belonging to another. We know that it is a game
played well only in full consciousness of free will, absolutely without
coercion.
I am clear: I find such joy, pleasure, love and intimacy in the enormous
gift of trust and confidence that my slaves gift of themselves represents,
that I am inspired to respond by maintaining my focus in making sure the
gift of trust is well placed in me.
I am so deeply honored by the priceless gift of themselves, I can do aught
but seek to find in myself ever greater founts of wisdom with which to lead
them well.
I am clear: I enjoy writing and sharing my thoughts, and it gives me
pleasure when others find my ideas useful, and gives me amusement when
others take issue to disagree.. and sometimes new insights.. which are to
my mind, priceless, and totally worth the effort in My expression to
recieve in return!!
I am clear: I took ownership of this list because the list gives me so
much pleasure, love, wisdom and insight, and good company that the idea of
it disappearing from my life was abohhrent to me, and I had to take the
minimal control necessary to make sure this garden kept growing, was not
plowed under.. that I might continue to enjoy it's fruits and flowers in
my neighborhood.. without anyone else who might be less relaxed in the ways
of "minimalist natural gardening" interfering.. forever.
I could have taken as my main focus of Reasons", the very many charitable
spiritual causes that maintaining this list also expresses, and certainly
they are on my blessings list.. however, personal satisfaction is
absolutely necessary to maintain motivation levels over the long haul.
Robert Hienlien said in one of his books, that the Japanese have 15 ways
to express gratitude, and each one also translates as resentment of debt.
People do not like to feel indebted, any more than they like to feel taken
advantage of..
I have taken care, even with this expression, that the balance of any
sense of "indebtedness" anyone might have to me for maintaining this list
is already "paid up" in my mind, so the duties of mantaining this list will
never be a cause for resentment to me. I have seen lists eroded by such
resentment, and I choose better for this list.
When people offer experssions of love and gratitude I accept them
graciously: The scent of the bouquets make the garden seem even sweeter,
and it would be foolish of me to dishonor the perceptions of those who feel
a need to express a greater gratitude.
But they are bonuses.. cut flowers fade .. the reward for tending the
space, is the continuing beauty of garden itself.
> Therefore
> such actions are a learning process for all concerned.
Isn't everything?
> A would-be student went to a Guru and started a long
> outburst on her experiences. The Master interrupted as
> she had more important things to attend to, "We do not
> care where you have been or whose company you have kept,
> tell us what you KNOW and we will tell you what you
> need."
Here we have a short-sighted Master, who is more focused on her own
personal agenda than in giving love and acceptance to the need of the
student to express her experiences. I trust, that whatever activity it was
that so distracted her, served her higher purpose in it's completion, to
refocus her wandered priorites back onto respecting her student.. or
whatever her soul seeks next.. perhaps the experience of being a
short-sighted Master, again.. and being a model of impatience.
Still, some think such methods are effective in "breaking down" the ego..
I find it puts up such a struggle, and gets so very unhappy in the
process.. seems easier to stuff it full of tempting morsels and a massauge,
then lull it to sleep so spirit can get some work done. Ego gets very fat
and bloated that way, but it also gets very lazy and contented, spending
most of it's time off sleeping in the sunshine. Like a cat that's been
"fixed".
Anyone can rattle off a learned rote of "cosmic truths", but it is in the
unfolding of experiences that the truths are given meaning. We are all the
product of our experiences, and the best way to express love to the other
is to take the time to listen without judgement.
> When people display wisdom, they will always be
> questioned as to their motives. This is why the primary
> and over riding motive of wisdom is to create, develop
> and nurture this in others. A society of Gnostics, moves
> forward in Unity, Wisdom and Love.
>
> in Unity, Wisdom and Love
> Lobster
>
When people claim to be sharing wisdom, unity and love, but instead
offer fears and judgements, you betcher booties I question their motives...
I look to see what they are selling... thankyou for being so clear.
As you have been equally clear that you have no interest whatsoever in
pursuing a kundalini awakening, and find expressions of mystical
experiences futile, it seems appropriate to request that you kindly stop
spamming the K. list.
Not that you ever do as I request, anyway..
At the same time, I have enjoyed reading and responding to the post.. as
usual.. Thankyou for sharing your perspective.
Blessings, Serpent.
PS: And the antidote to giving away power?
Serpent Wisdom you can take to the bank:
The only people who can have any power over you, are the people who have
something that you think you need. The more you think you need it, the more
power you give them in exchange.
Your partner's love, your boss's paycheck, insurance for the house and
organized religion for the soul.. some needs are healthy, air and food..
the fear and scarcity equation comes in when we forget that Goddess
promises to provide for us everything we need, before we can even think of
it, we need only be open to accepting Her blessings. But all needs, will be
released in the end.
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:48:26
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Dear Giedrius,
You wrote:
> Kundalini experience is one of the highest form of spiritual achievement.
I don't know the concept of "spiritual achievement." Perhaps some have more
conscious awareness of spirit. Others may have external signs. To me,
spirit=divine=love. Spirit just is.
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:46:18
From: drdukeATnospamservtech.com (Dr.Duke) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Coupla questions.
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Hi there. Are Chi and Kundalini the same? Where does Reiki fit into
this scheme? Can anyone recommend any Kundalini Yoga books, something
you do not need an instructor to start with? Also, what are the
pitfalls of beginning alone, no instructor?
Thank You
Steven Maczaczyj
Education, attaching the electrodes of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance.
Dr.Duke
http://www.servtech.com/public/drduke/Index.html
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:14:53
From: awp <awp.win-winATnospamsympatico.ca> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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hello people!
I have just returned from the California mountains, Santa Ana and the
ocean. I do not know how long that I will have access to the internet or
a computer as I may be leaving yet another relationship (tha computer is
his). I feel and still smell the ocean and it's beautiful rythms. I do
not understand what ions are exactly but I do feel charged with sun and
sea. There is no doubt that limits to recieving this energy must be
respected as after only a five days I required a shelter of privacy and
control. My K energies awoke me each morning with a silver circle of
snake at the base of my spine. It tickled and I could clearly see the
image when I closed my eyes. Excelent clear dreams accompanied these
mornings and the smell of the sea is still with me.
Grrrl Jonah
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:15:15
From: awp <awp.win-winATnospamsympatico.ca> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Allo Justme,
Tis' new day, new jest
the greatest spy of all was the king's jester
late 'tis grand 'cause dee man he no like to share when all the money is
to move quik
da man- he gone to forest now dunno where
justa way it is
my name is Grrrl cause every one tells me thats what i am every day,
looks an looks and so Grrrl it is
More fun for the type if there is krazy-eight-ball times2
some times this key board is <X
i dunno noting bout COMpuSacs (only they go)
so chat may-b
Grrrl J.
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:14:20
From: Ian Brown <ktsaATnospammailhub.omen.com.au> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Subject: New to Kundalini
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Good day all,
Please bear with me while I write this, for I haven't had any one to
talk to about my experiences. I will try to be concise.
I am new to kundalini, I only just began to consciously notice its
effects about 3 to 4 months ago, although I believe it had been
occurring within me for much longer than that. At first I denied it to
be true, thinking that it occurred to everyone; that was until I asked
for help, and it was sent. My third eye chakra has been the most
predominant aspect of my understanding, that coupled with the balance of
my root chakra, has given me increased intuition and guidance. I now
realize where my faults lie, and I accept what I am. Currently I am
working towards balancing my second, fourth, and fifth chakras, and
partially my third. Today I had an insight to my dharma, for I am in my
19th year (18 years old), and I believe I encouraged my fifth chakra.
The sun and the blue sky helped guide me, and my Higher Self had to push
me in a way I could not ignore. I temporarily lost my hearing in my
right ear this morning, it was a shock; but I knew it would happen. I
had been thinking about sound and what it would be like without it, now
i know. I may mourn the loss of what I had, but it is not permanent;
this I also know.
I have been led to meditation via a number of steps. One day I suddenly
had an interest in hypnosis, I don't know why, it just came. I read
several books and found myself entering a trance easily, others were
very interested, but I did not wish to force anything upon them, lest I
discourage their interest with my lack of skill. Soon hypnosis led me to
changing my university studies from social science and business to
simply psychology. Yoga followed hypnosis with the physical exercise
helping balance me. Soon I realized that should I concentrate deeply
upon one thing, such as the meaning of creation, it would somehow come
to me but be embodied in an analogy or proverb. Positive thinking was a
great help, without it I may have been in a shame spiral. Emotions and
feelings were rapidly changing and intensifying in short periods of
time, this is when I would recite some proverbs and help myself back on
the path to god. I found that should someone chant or talk in a
relatively monotone or uninteresting voice, I would somehow be partially
connected with my Higher Self. I would write what I was receiving, like
a prophet who mixes the truth with irrelevant matter. This was in my
sociology lecture, to me my notes are scattered with insights to
creation. A sphere was the main focus of my thought, and below it was a
pyramid. God was the sphere, we were part of the pyramid. I do not wish
to force anything upon you, if you want to know what I thought please
send a message saying so. What I say may not be the exact truth, but to
me it was very close to what I had received. It is a pity we are
currently limited by words.
I have been mixing in all different subject areas all my life, and none
seemed to hold me. I realize this was meant to be a part of my learning.
Religion has been another major focus of my life lately, yet again none
seem to satisfy. All truth is but partial truth, and many religions have
been slowly burying their true purpose, for that is so with the touch of
a human. I do not discriminate against any religion or practice, please
know this, but my path seems to be heading towards a certain area which
has lead me to the East, or Tibet to be precise. I have had a need to
travel in the past weeks, to the Himalayas in search of a master. So
much so that I have decided that I would stay if the need be great.
Thanks for reading this through, I hope I have helped you in some way,
for this has certainly helped me.
So here is to the future,
James Brown
Email: ktsaATnospammail.omen.net.au
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