1997/08/25 09:52
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #411
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 411
Today's Topics:
Angelique
Re: Question for psychic listmemners. Was:Enlightment
Re: Enlightment
Cable fault
Re: ionizer question
Question for psychic listmembers. Was:Enlightment
Marriage awakening
Re: Order of Melchizedek
[Fwd: Re: Enlightment]
[Fwd: Re: Question for psychic listmemners. Was:Enlightment]
Re: NDEs?
Re: Questions for psychic listmembers
Re: what you KNOW
Re:souls
2 questions
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:36:01 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Angelique
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I liked this story of a poor boy getting rich and then sharing
his wealth.
It is clear to me that enlightment glimpse was necessary to guide
me towards this target.
Also compassion is also to be there to share my growth with
others and thereby help my growth.
For last three years I have been collecting in sleep karmas of
other souls at lower level and thereby have been going thro pain , misery
, fear etc.
Every morning and during day I have been clearing those karmas by
sitting in meditation thro the method of vipassana meditation. That is I
have been observing sensations of kalapas and going thro pain of others
karmas.
Due to this process I have been growing .
And in sleep each coming day I have been going to Higher and
Higher plane.
It seems that since last month my pain is reduced and instead
occasionally I have been going thro bliss and peace.
reason is that I have now started entering the devachan plane
during my sleep. The souls in devachan plane are lower forms of angels .
They had positive desires like Angelique has. Such souls enjoy the bliss
and peace and sex and power etc. due to good karmas of love ,devotion .
service etc.
I find that it was easy for me to remain in AWARENESS if I was
going thro pain or discomfort.
But this bliss and desire for sex and power that I have started
facing these days are more dangerous. I can get lost in the enjoyment of
above feelings and this will arrest my progress.
Angelique is in much higher plane of devachan. She has entered
that plane long long back, in many many previous births. That is why she
remembers the ancient heritage almost as old as God of our sun and planet
system.
But the Evolution God of whole Universe is much higher to God of
our sun.
If it has taken Angelique so many births and years in devachan
plane because she has enjoyed the bliss and sex and power etc. on the way,
it is because she has not been AWARE .
During her initial period of growth in childhood she must have
gone thro pain of growing because one can not be absolutely free from
negative emotions. Out of compassion for her relatives and friends she
could collect their negative karmas
Humain life is hence a pain and dukkha and any one in devachan
plane has to come to human life after some duration of time.
Moreover if one moves beyond devachan plane to Nirvana , he will
go thro still better bliss and peace etc. Proof of this lies in that each
step to higher planes of viberations has been so.
So one should not stop at devachan planes . One should always
move higher and higher.
Bliss and peace upto devachan plane is not permenent .
Angelique has been going thro these ups and downs of these moods.
ANGELIQUE ram's "INNER VOICE" SUGGESTS THIS FOR YOU....
During these periods of high and low Just remain AWARE of ANGELIQUE.
Angelique is AWARE that her body is high or low or in power or in process
of GODDESS or in sex. All the time Angelique is watching Angelique and
Angelique is AWARE that this is also temporary and all feelings will pass
away. AWARENESS ANGELIQUE.
AWARENESS of bliss is not easy but today if Angelique is
successful and she crosses this chasm, then tomorrow when ram needs her
helping hand she will in return guide him thro.
Ram has started his entry in devachan plane and he does not know how
his journey will be.
ram
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:55:13 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Question for psychic listmemners. Was:Enlightment
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On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> However this list is full of well -connected folks.
> **** A humble request, of awakened listmembers, from List Mystress...? ***
> Get grounded, then please, ask two 'yes or no' questions of your Higher
> Self:
>
> Is Angelique Serpent the physical manifestation of the second oldest
> soul, next to God?
> Is Angelique Serpent one of the constantly reborn Trainers?
>
> Yes or no?
> I humbly throw myself on the wisdom of the list. Please post your results.
NO NO NO....RAM>
> At 13:17 22/08/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
> >Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> >> My ego still ocassionally rears up again and tries to give me stories
> >> about Kundalini Psychosis delusions of Granduer... but I have recieved too
> >> many wonderful confirmations to pay much heed.. your support and the faith
> >> that listmembers have expressed is definitely helping to keep me centered.
> >> Thankyou.
> >
> >Well I guess there is little I can offer you . . .
> >- it is also possible you may be God Almighty - would you like that?
> >Hey Dan - Angelique is coming your way . . .
> >Be afraid, very afraid . . .
> >Just in case "Heaven forbid!" that you are headed for La-La Land, try
> >and contact Tom Aston who is more an expert on K-Psychosis - mind you
> >"the second oldest soul" probably knows best . . .
> >
> >
> >I am very concerned for You Angelique,
> >Gloria warned you of this but . . .
> >
> >Lobster
> >Probably too late . . .
> >
> >
My opinion is ....
Nothing wrong will happen with Angelique . Reasons are
1)She is in service of this list. It is her way of helping the
evolution by service. List members involvement will keep her grounded
and on level. SERVICE PAYS.
2)I have observed her thro her writings. She does not have any
hate or anger or any negative emotion in her. If she has nothing negative
in her how can evolution punish her? It is ones negativeness that comes back.
She has always been positive towards humanity. Any one can call her names
and yet she has never born any ill will. I still remember the episode of
the word BITCH.
3) At the most she can get high and streak down and up on the sea
or on the land to the amusement of all surroundings. I am sure every one
will indulge her. Did not every one of list members indulge her on her
letter on male pennis . Were you there lobster when she posted that
letter on e-mail?
But Angelque should remember that if she has an iota of negative
emotions towards any one including her house members , she will
proportionately go thro the fruit(punishment) of that karma. I n that case
she should
remain AWARE AWARE AWARE with wisdom and cross over that chasm AND COME
OUT WINNER EVEN IN THIS GAME. We need you on this list Angelque
ram
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:05:18 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightment
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On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, E Jason wrote:
> (I have incidentally been depromoted from God-hood - just recently - the
> things that happen sheeshhh . . .)
Above remark of yours is not clear. personally I have been missing
you on this list . Your grounded wisdom was a great support to me.
ram
>
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:49:00 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Cable fault
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Due to flooding and heavy rains our vsnl channel became
inoperative for 24 hours. I have not recd a single e-mail since yesterday
ram
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:04:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ionizer question
Message-ID: <970824120432_-1871997141ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
Here are more ionizer tidbits from "Infinite Mind, Science of the Human
Vibrations of Consciousness," by Dr. Valerie V. Hunt:
"Another interesting finding is that during the Santa Ana winds which
rush down from the mountains in Southern California with strong positive
ions, the human field becomes small. After many days of these winds, people
become irritable and sometimes ill. It is as though the negative auric field
splits away from the body, attracted by the high positive charge of the
atmosphere.
"Likewise, we found that the field expanded when the person was in the
mountains or near the sea, possibly because of the increased negative ions
present in these environments.
"After subsequent study, if a person's field was particularly small, we
would send him to the pool to swim or to a cold shower, or have him walk
barefoot on the grass of the university campus. These increased his field
and improved his feelings, probably because of increased negative ions.
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Question for psychic listmembers. Was:Enlightment
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Angelique,
I get: One of the many names for the Oneness...
M
PS Still not getting mail except for that large shipment of digests and then
tg's kind forwardings.
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:41:36 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
cc: kundalini-l-dATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Marriage awakening
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Hi Bridgette.
I enjoyed yourstory a LOT.. it echoed my own... about 18 years ago..
you say:;
>>>>It was very frightening following advice coming from a distant place
everyone was calling crazy, and that first month maybe I really *was*
crazy. But sometimes that's just what it takes to tell you something is
very wrong. I feel blessed that the kundalini energy was also there to
tell how some things were very right, and soothed me with wonderful deep
trances that lead to such revelations. And now I look for the warning
signs sooner and keep to my prayers and meditations on a more peaceful and
happy path and can't imagine how I had ever ever ever ever lived the way I
did.
Thank you for letting me share and I offer my help if you need it.
Love and Light to you all
Bridgette
>>
I could have written every word. It has been 16 years since my divorce and
I have never even once considered marriage again. In my opinion it was
only to clear karma.. and to produce a lovely angelic daughter. I feel no
relationship at all with the rather shallow and unconscious person I
married and cannot imagine how I ended up wedded. But then I think that I
was very unconscious then.. in order to perform this karma...how else to
explain that? I would never have done it with my right mind... so then it
is clear why we do things...which seem illogical when we wake up.. we have
to do it for our plan to clean up debts. I now believe that there is no
real karmic law if you reach a certain state of enlightenment.. you do not
hve to do any of it in real life if you just go to the root of the causes
and change them... it is a psychological choice to live out karma.. and
one that I believe in this day and age, does not have to bind us any
further. We can be free of it if we just go deep enough and check out the
programs we are operating under...self chosen perhaps before birth,...but
they are ours to alter. I would say 50 years ago Bridgette, you and I
would have been totally STUCK in a bad marriage for life. Hurray...that
we have a more tolerant time to get the lessons learned faster....or even
just skip them.
Ruth
******
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed. The soul
unfolds itself, like a lotus of countless petals. [Kahlil Gibran]
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*****
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: NasalamATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Order of Melchizedek
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>In a message dated 97-08-22 08:40:17 EDT, eg writes:
>>The Order of Melchizedek -- at least the one I belong to -- considers
>>itself
>
> At the present time we believe
>>that
>>the current social setup is not really a viable situation for people to
>>unfold spiritually
It has never been a good setup for that. It has always been changing
however. There has never been more enslavement than now: by mass media and
materialism. But, there has never been a better setup for individual
spiritual unfoldment: literature, leisure and listservs major tools never so
available before.
>and feel that it must undergo radical change.
>Many
>>have
>>predicted massive earth changes -- I'm sure everyone is familiar with
>>them.
>> They may be true. Personally, I wonder if what many are seeing is the
>>destruction of the world as they know it --
There is now and has always been change and destruction. They are part of
the cycle of growth. Perhaps this time will be more like a growth spurt.
Maybe a few more noticible growing pains than usual.
We should all thank the people of Montseurrat.
Some will see chaos, some will see opportunity for growth, some will see
same ole, same ole.
Here on planet earth it has pretty much always been our way... We'll get
there eventually...wherever there may be.
IMHO
M
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:23:22 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Enlightment]
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--
A R C
Lobster playground . . .
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/index.html
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:08:53 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit)
To: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: Enlightment
References: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970823095932.8521B-100000ATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
S.R.Peswani wrote:
> > (I have incidentally been depromoted from God-hood - just recently - the
> > things that happen sheeshhh . . .)
>
> Above remark of yours is not clear. personally I have been missing
> you on this list . Your grounded wisdom was a great support to me.
I was on a forum recently where some people had elevated their status. I
declared myself a God. Other people took those with "elevated status
claims" less seriously.
When people tried to treat me like a God - I relinquished my God-like
status. :)
When people try to treat me with too much respect, I ask them to send
money - they soon stop :)
Thank you for you kind words. Have been busy.
A R C
Lobster playground . . .
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/index.html
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:24:16 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Question for psychic listmemners. Was:Enlightment]
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:21:42 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
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To: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: Question for psychic listmemners. Was:Enlightment
References: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970823092643.8521A-100000ATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
S.R.Peswani wrote:
> > Yes or no?
> > I humbly throw myself on the wisdom of the list. Please post your results.
>
> NO NO NO....RAM>
> My opinion is ....
> Nothing wrong will happen with Angelique . Reasons are
>
> 1)She is in service of this list. It is her way of helping the
> evolution by service. List members involvement will keep her grounded
> and on level. SERVICE PAYS.
That is what we are here for. Support sometimes includes wing clipping,
Lobster claw removal or other forms of grounding . . .
> 2)I have observed her thro her writings. She does not have any
> hate or anger or any negative emotion in her. If she has nothing negative
> in her how can evolution punish her? It is ones negativeness that comes back.
> She has always been positive towards humanity. Any one can call her names
> and yet she has never born any ill will. I still remember the episode of
> the word BITCH.
We all have negative emotion in us. Some transform it and some ride
above it. For some it is very subtle. For the greatest Saints to think
of anything but God is seen by them as hate, anger and self willed ego.
It is all a question of degree . . .
> 3) At the most she can get high and streak down and up on the sea
> or on the land to the amusement of all surroundings. I am sure every one
> will indulge her. Did not every one of list members indulge her on her
> letter on male pennis . Were you there lobster when she posted that
> letter on e-mail?
Yes - have enjoyed all Angeliques postings. Perhaps for different
reasons.
> But Angelque should remember that if she has an iota of negative
> emotions towards any one including her house members , she will
> proportionately go thro the fruit(punishment) of that karma. I n that case
> she should
> remain AWARE AWARE AWARE with wisdom and cross over that chasm AND COME
> OUT WINNER EVEN IN THIS GAME. We need you on this list Angelque
> ram
We need Angelique, we could probably do with God, the Oldest or Second
Oldest Soul but we will settle for Angelique.
PEACE AND BLESSINGS TO ALL
Most Kind Regards
LOBSTER
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: NDEs?
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>>Sharon Webb wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Has anyone else had this experience?
>>>YES and its a very profound experience.. Its a raising of the vibrational
>levels of your being to a point that you are astral traveling. The trip
>thru the tunnel has also been recorded many times and is a tunnelling
>outside yourself to the reality of the greater existance. I have a friend
>that just came back from a seminar with Monroe Institute where they used
>headphones and struggled to achieve wht you did naturally.
>>Love,
>>flute
Just wanted to add that the Monroe Institute sells their 'brain balancing'
tapes. I have one. It is less effective than the 'corpse pose', more
effective than say, anxious meditating, or whatever.... a good external
aide at times.
M
>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:28:42 -0400
From: heidi <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions for psychic listmembers
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Hey, Angelique, IF YOU'VE GOT IT, FLAUNT IT. Just as long as when I get to
heaven, you won't welcome me with your little whip, PLEASE, PLEASE. ;) ;)
I've been a good girl. :)
Am
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:47:38 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: genius-LATnospamnewciv.org, insight <insightATnospamworld.std.com>,
tariqasATnospamworld.std.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: what you KNOW
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E Jason wrote:
>
> FANTASY AND REALITY
>
> Every person is respected and of value. Each person has
> potential and worth.
> However on the spiritual path we must develop
> discrimination and wisdom. A person who shows and
> displays some ability and is also delusional and
> undergoing transitional stages can be potentially
> damaging towards other peoples progress. It is up to both
> parties to develop the ability to differentiate between
> genuine spirituality and spurious ego fantasies.
> People will follow and respect people with limited
> realisation or who are prone to fantasy and the result
> can be anything from dependence to group psychosis.
> For this reason wisdom has always tried to make people
> aware and independent. It has supported their genuine
> efforts, ignored their ramblings and ego and actively
> countered their limiting fantasies.
> To say everything is part of the One is true but we do
> not advocate or support anything and everything. It is
> very important for people to develop their powers of
> rational and sane thought as well as the intuitive and
> other capabilities.
> People who support each others delusions can be seen
> everywhere in the New age Circus. I'll support your
> delusions if you support mine. This is the game playing
> of children. It is amusing to play but is not the Way of
> Wisdom. Wisdom plays a harder game and yet still swims in
> the Ocean. When a child says something wise we listen and
> gain from this, when the child says, "I am Superman or
> Wonder Woman", we smile. People who need or claim status,
> who talk about their "spiritual" experiences and
> abilities, may eventually realise the futility of such
> actions.
> As adults and if we are attempting to travel the path of
> Shakti, Wisdom, Love etc. we must similarly learn to be
> open to wisdom and closed to nonsense. To point out
> others fantasies in this best way open to us is a test of
> our own compassion. The inclination is to get personal
> satisfaction or stimulation from this process. Therefore
> such actions are a learning process for all concerned.
> A would-be student went to a Guru and started a long
> outburst on her experiences. The Master interrupted as
> she had more important things to attend to, "We do not
> care where you have been or whose company you have kept,
> tell us what you KNOW and we will tell you what you
> need."
> When people display wisdom, they will always be
> questioned as to their motives. This is why the primary
> and over riding motive of wisdom is to create, develop
> and nurture this in others. A society of Gnostics, moves
> forward in Unity, Wisdom and Love.
>
> in Unity, Wisdom and Love
> Lobster
>
>
> A R C
> http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/index.html
True words of wisdom, something to sleep on and reflect on why the word
humility is essential to initiation. It is the fruit of knowing that
creates the path that is to be followed. It is generally laid in the
flow of spirit with great grace and quiet. Those who run along shouting
out are left behind when the step comes that calls for spiritual
refinement. Gloria
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:06:00 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-l-dATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:souls
Message-ID: <3400A233.7D7BATnospamintercomm.com>
Since God created all souls they were logically not numbered since that
is a very human thing to do.
The ego/self manipulates by confusing part truths which leave the soul
heading off into areas of self acclaim. It isn't right or wrong, it just
is the way it is. Perhaps it was a symbolic communication that was taken
literal. And, then again perhaps it was to bring everyone out into the
communication pool.
Regardless detachment is needed when dealing with very psychic
individuals. Lower energy spirits manipulate and work on those who are
not grounded spiritually, it is always wise to test spirits and to be
very detached. We are entering a real testing period, it is extremely
important to work from the heart center and observe life all around with
detachment. Many will say they are Messiah's, they will even display
lower frequency powers, these lower gifts will burn out once misused,
but it will suck in those who arenot conscious of working directly with
God through divine will.
Gloria
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:19:50 -0400
From: LIGHHTNINGRODATnospamwebtv.net (debbie Robinson)
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: 2 questions
Message-Id: <199708251619.JAA22250ATnospammailtod-1.alma.webtv.net>
Angelique,
I thought it might be interesting to dowse
for answers to your questions. That you would put the questions out
there for "peer
review" is both gutsy & wise. The answer
to both was a clear and simple no. The insight that followed is that
you may be stuck in that particular archetypal scenario
and that it might be helpful to consider your snake medicine from a
different per-
spective. Snake medicine in Native American experience is
very powerful and wise medicine-even cunning. It is patient, still, and
yet swift and unerring. It carries in it the ability to transform
poisonous substances, circumstances, energies into
healing energy. It is the powerful medicine of transformation at the
deepest
levels. It carries the connotation of shedding the old skin and
allowing for greater spiritual growth. I think the
other pictures you got are a diversion
and can perhaps indicate for you where you are still vulnerable to being
hooked in ego. Much love, Debbie
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