1997/08/21 13:17
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #406
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 406
Today's Topics:
Re: Enlightment
More Fun with enlightenment and ignorance
Re: Enlightment the easy way
Re: Enlightment
Re: Enlightment
Re: Subtle sound
RE: Subtle sound
JOY RIDING THE UNIVERSE (fwd)
ionizer question
Re: ionizer question
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:26:11 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightment
Message-ID: <33FB7D13.6617ATnospambest.com>
S.R.Peswani wrote:
>
> Enlightened
>
> In june 94, I came to a stage, where I felt and knew that I have
> become enlightened. Major signs were,
> 1) All sicknesses completely gone. Before June 92 , I was a sick
> person physically as well as mentally.
> 2) Felt light and springy in walk.
> 3) Felt very very clean . No need for bath, or brushing of teeth
> etc. etc.
> 4)I had a gift of seeing inside of my body, and there was no
> thought in form of kalapas or in any other way in my body. That is I can
> see my astral body in meditation and it had become invisible.
> For last two years(92 to 94)I had cleaned these emotional patches
> of hatred , fear, jealousy , love etc. I had with deep concentration
> forced out even clevely hidden patches and cleaned them. In my last stages
> I had deliberately forced my concentration on some emotion from outside
> and when it would connect with inside patch of same emotion, I would go
> after it and clean it.
>
>
> There was this scent smell in me and many other small signs were
> there. I cannot fully convey this enlightment that i went thro but even
> today I am sure that I was enlightened.
>
> But no one on the outside (my friends , relatives etc) recogonised
> any change in me. To them I was the same old Ram.
>
> This period of enlightment continued for 45 days or so.
>
> So a dissatisfaction started rising in me. I was questioning
> myself about this enlightment. Why was it different from Guatam Buddha or
> Guru Nanik or Rajnesh or Muktanand?
> As a result of this I started meditating more hours and started
> deep searching inside my body.
>
> Later still I started seeing my father in the dreams , and he was
> telling me that he is going thro hell (my father had died 12-15 years
> back) My father was telling me to help him to get out of this painful
> situation in recurring dreams.
> Suddenly one midnight I woke up and found intense energy movement
> in my body and from some where my whole body was filled with karmas of
> love hatred jealousies and fears etc. I was thrown back to my original
> state of body to June 1992.
> Three years and three months later till today I have not
> experienced that enlightment or purity inside my body. Almost five nights
> in a week I get my body filled with karmas and meditate in the day to
> purify and clean these karmas.
> Last three years were filled with pain and heat and disturbed
> sleep along with strange dreams.
> `But all the above troubles are now considerably reduced. Only 10%
> are left.
>
> Day after day wisdom has been arising in me.
>
> Did compassion arise in my sleep for my father to take up his karmas?
>
> Do I collect karmas of other souls everynight out of compassion?
>
> Did I lose the enlightment because of strong ego?
>
> Would some ones give me their opinions?
>
> Kirillian photography may have an answer for me , but here in
> Poona (India) I am not able to get one done.
>
> ram
Hi Ram,
I can relate to that! Five years ago I was in the same space, with the
same results. I was completely clear and balanced, maintained it for
three months, then Whamm! Same thing.
I found that I was taking on other's karmas... for several years I was
in despair over this, considering it a weakness on my part. I worked
hard to set boundaries and defenses, but nothing worked. I cursed and
cried that I was "too open"!! I was deeply unhappy.
Then I released the boundaries and defenses- they weren't working
anyway - and matters improved.
By practice I learned to transform the energy and add it to my own. By
holding the energy of others I learned eventually to hold it for a
crowd, to purge and transform them. This created tremendous growth in my
energy field.
I have to clean my energy on a strict daily regimine...I felt for a long
time that this was preventing me from growing, that my life and
meditation time was always spent "housekeeping". I eventually came to
recognize that a greater growth was taking place, on a larger scale than
I was able to recognize with my then-limited awareness. My awareness is
still "limited", but less so (I trust).
Enlightenment is such a huge job...the task of learning to be
limitless. We can do it, in chunks and stages.
Love,
Morgana
Sometimes energy sticks, but then I find that I have a matching
picture, almost always pre-verbal in myself which would not respond to
ordinary cleansing because it is pre-verbal. By cleansing the matching
energy I am able to clear subtle energies which I would not otherwise be
able to see.
With time I have found that this is another cycle of our growth... a
cycle which is showing us how to be of the world but not of it.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:15:54 -0700
From: J P Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: More Fun with enlightenment and ignorance
Message-ID: <33FB96CA.42EAATnospamflarity.com>
Dear Ram,
What a wonderful story.
>
> Did I lose the enlightment because of strong ego?
Nothing is ever lost or gained.
There is only forgetting and remembering.
"Am I enlightened?" is a similar question to "Am I pretty?"
Well, are you pretty? Are you perfect for this moment? Won't your own
self have the answers?
And if you feel something less than perfection in yourself, don't you
love that weakness, that frailty of human form?
Feel your own mortality, divine and fleeting and completely unconcerned
with the jail of labels you have constructed.
Live life while you have it. Feel the joy of every breath.
>
>
> Kirillian photography may have an answer for me , but here in
> Poona (India) I am not able to get one done.
Just post your picture and we will tell you if you are pretty or not.
love,
joe
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:39:32 -0700
From: J P Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightment the easy way
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> Enlightenment is such a huge job...the task of learning to be
> limitless. We can do it, in chunks and stages.
Dear Morgana
Perhaps enlightenment is a huge job because you expect it to be so. All
my life I shared the same preconception that nothing good comes easily.
Then one day, I dropped my dirty clothes on the beach and streaked for
the water.
floating,
joe
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:22:40 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightment
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> Morgana
> Sometimes energy sticks, but then I find that I have a matching
> picture, almost always pre-verbal in myself which would not respond to
> ordinary cleansing because it is pre-verbal. By cleansing the matching
> energy I am able to clear subtle energies which I would not otherwise be
> able to see.
> With time I have found that this is another cycle of our growth... a
> cycle which is showing us how to be of the world but not of it.
>
>
In my case clearing is not able to cope with what I have been
receiving both in my sleep and from my surroundings.
roughly I would state my condition as follows...
Before June 92.....00.0
June 94.....100.0
June 95..... 95.0
June 96..... 90.0
June 97......85.0
Though I am much better off compared to June 92 , but I am
sliding down.
Probably reasons are as follows.
1) I sit much less for meditation
2) Surroundings are increasing in tensions due to poverty and
increased crime around me.
3) I live in joint family and my neighbourhood is very conjested.
4) Higher ones want me to do more housework of clearing by meditation
ram
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 03:27:03
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightment
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At 13:22 21/08/97 +0500, you wrote:
> Though I am much better off compared to June 92 , but I am
>sliding down.
> Probably reasons are as follows.
> ram
I have recieved much from your posts, Ram, and happy to offer some ideas
in exchange..
Firstly, look at your list of reasons, and remember that Reasons come
from ego, coming up with reasons for ego to be in control is ego's job. It
is ego's job to convince you you are too small and weak for spirit.
Spirit's nature is to be unreasonable, limitless, to do things for the
joy of doing.
What I am telling you, is whenever you find yourself doing something for
a list of perfectly logical reasons, be very suspicous.. check to see if
the reasons are in alignment with cosmic laws: I attract that which occurs,
Love is limitless, outside reflects inside.. and if there is a tiny bit of
reasonableness that is not in alignment with cosmic law, throw away all of
your reason and and go back to feeling and impulseing your way through life
instead of thinking.
Stop thinking with your head.. use your heart, your belly, your penis..
anything but your head. Your head has gotten itself stuck in a trap of
limiting beliefs, and it needs the rest of your being to pull it out.
If you are allowing LIFE to interfere with SPIRIT for logical REASONS,
then you have succumbed to an ego-trap of the mind, be grateful for
spotting it as you release your reasons, and think with your body or spirit
for awhile.
With regards to the crash you and Morgana experinced.. lately things seem
to come to me in parables and metaphors. May I storytell?
Once there was a boy who grew up in a very poor part of a town that
covered the sides of two mountains, coming into a valley. The poorest part
of town was in the deepest part of the valley, and the richest homes were
on the mountaintops. The air in the valey was terrible some days, the
factory smog hung in the air, held in by the valley mist.
When the boy was old enough to understand the difference between riches
and poverty, he began to covet the house on the highest mountaintop. From
that day, he worked wholeheartedly to gather riches. He studied the lives
of famous rich people, and how to get rich. Gradually his poor friends of
his childhood were replaced with wealthier contacts. He got a scolarship,
and studied banking and stock trading, and finally he bought the house on
the highest mountaintop. He was so proud, he bought a huge expensive
telescope to look at the stars, thinking that must be where he would go next.
It pleased him that the mountaintop house had an excellent view of the
poor valley where he grew up. Every morning at breakfast he would admire
the view from his sundeck, amused at how the people looked like little ants
from his lofty home. He would breathe the clear thin air and congradulate
himself on how high he had risen.
Every night he would contemplate the stars, and think about what heights
there were yet to discover. For a time, this made him happy.
One night, looking at the stars through his telescope, scanning the
skies, it occured to him that he was bored. The stars were the same, cold
and distant as ever, and all the time he had spent admiring their beauty
had not brought them any closer. This irked him, and he went to bed
crankily wondering what had ever posessed him to buy the telescope in the
first place.
The next morning he woke in a better mood, looking forward to his usual
caviar on toast with champagne and orange juice. He sat as usual, so he
could watch the ant-people in the valley as he ate. This morning he noticed
something that had somehow escaped him before.. the ants were always
connecting with one another. They moved in pairs and groups, and stopped to
mingle with each other.
Up here on the mountaintop, he was alone.
He wondered how he had forgotten that the ants were people like himself..
seized with curiosity and sudden loneliness, inspired, he ran to the
telescope, and for the first time aimed it at the valley below. The smog
was heavy down there, but he managed to adjust the telescope to see clearly.
He saw faces he recognized as beloved from his childhood, faces grown
worn with years, and his old friends' children, young faces already
learning hard lessons.. he saw strangers whose dull eyed faces cried out to
him of hope extinguished.
Work and breakfast forgotten, he stared through the telescope for hours,
till the light was gone. Eyes sore and squinting, shaking his head after
his long stillness, he looked at the stars above, and then at the city
lights spread on the valley before him, and for a moment it seemed he had
vertigo. Up was down and down was up, and it seemed the stars were so many
more, and closer than he had ever seen them.
He reached out to touch them, and caught himself as he lurched at the
railing.
He realized he was dizzy from hunger, and took a bite of his uneaten
breakfast, but the caviar seemed sour and slimy in his mouth, and he
wondered whatever had made him think it was good for breakfast? Or at any
time? The contrast of eating such rich food daily after the poverty he had
seen left a sour taste in his mouth.
Angry, he threw the rest over the railing, and watched it's path as it
sailed down to the city below. When he lost sight of it, his eyes were left
to focus on the place of his childhood. Starry lights coming on one by
one....
Then he understood.
He put his mountaintop home on the market the next day, and bought an old
church in his old neighborhood and turned it into a youth drop in shelter.
His fortune he put into scholarship trusts, neighborhood improvements,
factory pollution control legislation, and small loans to get new
businesses on track.
His telescope, eventually he donated to a university in exchange for
another new scholarship program.
He didn't need it anymore: the stars were joy sparkling in the eyes of
the people all around him. He was in the crucible of the universe.. every
day, he assisted in the creation of even more such stars.
This "fall from grace" you both experienced was not a punishment, nothing
you did wrong.. it was an act of love. Stop punishing yourselves for
imagined failures, everything is just as it should be, you negotiated this.
Out of love, for those left behind in 3d. Of course you are processing
other people's karma.. you have volunteered to do it, total planetary
ascension is only a few centures away. Your graced bit was simply an
orientation period, so you are motivated by a partial understanding of what
the ascension will be like.. you absorbed far more informaton during that
period than you are consciously aware of.
Lotsa folks awakening, but few attain realization and move on, simply
because at the moment, we need every earth - experienced lightbringer to be
well grounded here on the planet.
It's not a race anymore, it's a migration. Nobody gets too far ahead
before they are sent to the back to help the slower ones catch up.
Don't worry, you are still enlightened.
You are not being given anything you cannot handle, you are simply
weakening yourself with fears and limiting beiefs and making what you do
have much harder to deal with.
Blessings, Serpent.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Swami Beyondananda on the Golden Rule: "It seems that when
masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they
become sadists," the Swami said. "Consequently, the Golden Rule
has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:05:15 -0400
From: phillialATnospamucrwcu.rwc.uc.edu (Anita Phillips)
To: Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Subtle sound
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Hi Mike,
Mine's not a sea shell sound; it's a "crystal" clear, very high pitched
"E"--2 octaves (I'm guesstimating?) higher than the last "E" on a piano. (I
don't need to put my thumbs in my ears to hear it; I hear it all the time,
tho sometimes the volume and intensity--not sure what I mean by that?--do
vary.)
Do the Eck books (or some others?) talk about the sound in terms of Herz
cycles?
Anita, *:)
>Dear Morgana,Anita, and All:
>
> Here's my take on the subtle sound. Put both thumbs in the ears. Don't
>press down too hard; just enough to where you hear an inner sound which
>is not coming from outside. I think most people hear a sound like mine;
>that not unlike a sea shell or the cloud formation in "Close
>Encounters...". Others hear the sound of running water, bells, ets. The
>Eckists (Eckankar) associate each of the higher planes with a different
>sound.
>If you ask many people, each will say they hear something different.
>That is because they are attuned to a different level within (a
>different plane). The higher worlds are the inner worlds as they say.
> More to the point; one day I was sitting on my couch and I began
>hearing the "Music of the Spheres" as it is called. I think it was D.
>Scott Rojo who wrote a book by this name about this sound which people
>sometimes hear when going OBE or dyeing. The book doesn't give many
>answers so I will give some here.
> To put it bluntly, you are not hearing the universe, or your resonance
>with it at all. You're hearing yourself. At your center there is an
>energy pole which extends down and up into infinity. It is very
>powerful, a little bit larger than a silver dollar; and is mentioned
>briefly as that which the chakras flow into in Barbara Brennan's book,
>"Hands of Light".
> It vibrates VERY strongly, so much so, that when it comes on, you can
>then actually hear not only the sound emanating from your center, but
>your ears vibrating themselves. It took me a minute or two to realize
>that the sound I was hearing was coming from my own center. Read some of
>the Eck books and you will get more info. Get one of their charts and
>you will find the plane which your center is resonating at (not unlike a
>radio), by finding out which sound you hear when you put your thumbs in.
>
>Sincerely;
>
>Mike Beaver
>yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net
>
>Morgana Wyze wrote:
>>
>> Anita Phillips wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Morgana,
>> >
>> > I think I missed the explanation of the subtle sound. I hear a very high
>> > pitched "E" constantly and have for several years. I know the medical
>> > community has a name for this, but I am now wondering if it really has
>> > something to do with K?
>> >
>> > What is the subtle sound? Or where can I read about it??
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Anita P., *:)
>> >
>>
>> The "subtle sound" is not an audible sound wave, but a harmonic. When
>> our body harmonic reaches the resonance of pure quartz crystal. It is
>> the secret of the great mystery schools, that the number of the universe
>> made manifest is nine.
>> Matter=Energy. To convert matter to energy resonate the matter.
>> Matter resonates when a magnetic field (earth or our aura) has a field
>> of energy (life force) applied at the resonance of quartz . The result
>> is three octaves with three harmonious notes in each octave for a total
>> of nine resonant frequencies.
>> I draw this information from mystery school teachings and from
>> tetrahedral geometry (when you don't need much sleep there's lots of
>> time to do esoteric research.)
>
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal
>of the mind, that you
>may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable.---
>Romans 12 2
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Checkout Mike Beaver's Hypnotherapy Home Page at
>http://www.bandwidth.net/yoda
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:53:56 -0400
From: phillialATnospamucrwcu.rwc.uc.edu (Anita Phillips)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Subtle sound
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James Wright wrote:
>I hear a tone as well - this is the first discussion I've ever read of
>it. I generally thought of it as tinnitus - the "ringing in the ears"
>that the medical profession considers a hearing impairment. I have lost
>some hearing ability of the upper frequencies, especially so in my right
>ear, and thought this was just a byproduct - but now I'm beginning to
>wonder.
Yeah, I was told that it was tinnitus, too. But, I've had my ears checked
thoroughly by specialists (twice!) and my hearing is excellent in both
ears!
Nevertheless...it rings!
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:46:03 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: JOY RIDING THE UNIVERSE (fwd)
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This seemed relevant to me in so many ways. We are always wondering wht
is going on with us... this might help a bit.
Subject: JOY RIDING THE UNIVERSE
>From the book, JOY RIDING THE UNIVERSE, by Sheradon Bryce - 1993
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your body is going through a genetic reconstruction. In the process of
doing it, many things are going to happen and change in it.
In the heart center you have two pacemakers. You have a natural
pacemaker which is on the front, and you nave a second one that is being
created on the back. The second one on the back is going to be for the
newly evolved species and body. Some of your hearts are fluttering,
palpitating, flip-flopping in your chest, and when you go to the doctor
he says there is nothing wrong with you - but here, have some pills!
What is happening is the bodies are biologically reconstructiog this new
pacemaker on the back of the heart. The back one is beating at a higher
vibration. Your heart gets two signals and the chest is kind of trying
to figure out where the arrhythmia is. It kind of flutters, palpitates
and can't figure out what is wrong with itself. Because the number one
killer is heart disease on this planet, you tend to go into fear is this
is happening to you. I would say, if you have problems, go to the
doctor anyway because it will alleviate your fears, and fear is your
worst enemy.
Most of you think that since you're trying to evolve, that if there is
something physically wrong with you, you've failed. Always, if you have
physical difficulties going through your process, it is not a failure.
If you're upset and mad at the body, you're going to aggravate your
problems with it.
Since it is going through a genetic reconstruction during this time
period, your body is not always going to be one-hundred percent up to
par to your edeal of how it is supposed to be. Be gentle with it. The
heart is one area of change. Livers have a tendency to act up during
these time periods also. Be gentle with them too. You might have a
tendency to go through fatigue and your mind will go through this real
spacey time period where it won't focus on anything. It is just like
you're out in space, going crazy, or senile because the thought was
there and you lost it. You'll go through it and it doesn't matter what
your age is. It has nothing to do with senility!
Most of you consider that all your memory is held in your head. If all
the memory that you're using is held in the head or brain, you are stuck
in the rut of primitive or first brain. Your mind is your
electromagnetic field, your auric bands, or whatever you wish to call
them. Your field is your mind. The thing in your head is your brain.
The brain only holds temporary memory called behavior, instinct and
survival - that is all it holds. The mind is where your thoughts and
your concepts come from and it is surrounding your embodiment. You are
learning to access more parts of your mind, your fields, but since
you've been in a rut, you're used to your brain picking up things
easily. You're expanding your mind now so instead of the data you want
being here in the head, it's further out in your fields. The brain goes
out to pick up a thought in the field, tries to bring it back, but it
doesn't remember the path, so it drops it. In mid-sentence the thought
disappears when it was right there. It got glitched, it disappeared.
You will go through it and it doesn't matter what your age is. If
you're older, then you say, "Well, I'm going senile." But people will
go through it even in their twenties. It has nothing to do with
senility, but the brain is learning how to access further and further
reaches of your own mind. Sometimes it just doesn't do it perfectly
yet, that is all.
********
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: ionizer question
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Does anyone know if ionizers affect kundalini. My 'nose chakra' and sinuses
are outrageously sensitive. The room I spend most of my time working in had
a touch of mildew in a closet last winter. The outside of the building was
calked, repainted, etc. The pad underneath the rug was replaced and the
carpet was shampooed. I think they overdid the shampooing. I wound up
having the blinds replaced after the shampooing. They appeared to be
outgassing some combo of shampoo and old paint or something. Then I
replaced the lamps because the shades smelled like this 'mildew or shampo'
smell when I turned them on and they heated up a bit. I brought in three
goodsized plants to help.
We have had some slight drizzle (rare in Calif. in the summer) and I can now
smell it again. Winter is coming and El Nino conditions promise lots of
rain. Will an ionizer help?? What will it do to my K? What kinds of
ionizers effect odors? Noses?
I hope someone knows something about this.
You might guess, other people can only smell this if I point it out to them
and have them stand near the closet!! Then they go: oh, well yeah,
maybe...so little. That bothers you?
Yes, it does!
TIA
M
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:43:43 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: ionizer question
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M wrote:
> We have had some slight drizzle (rare in Calif. in the summer) and I can now
> smell it again. Winter is coming and El Nino conditions promise lots of
> rain. Will an ionizer help?? What will it do to my K? What kinds of
> ionizers effect odors? Noses?
Yes. Ionizers ground air borne particles. Provided you don't have
wide open windows blowing outside air in they will eliminate any
odor. They will also raise your serotonin levels(1) helping you to
relax and sleep better. I use one and it defeats the cat smell.
Marijuana growers also use them because of their effectiveness.
1.The Healing Brain by Robert Ornstein with David Sobel
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