1997/08/10 20:09-kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #390

1997/08/10 20:09
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #390

kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 390

Today's Topics:
 Re: bonsai and MRI
 Re:Magnetism + Consciousness
 Re: Magnetism + Consciousness
 Re: Magnetism + Consciousness
 Re:Magnetism + Consciousness
 WILIAM RAND's VISIT - Reiki
 Re: Kundalini and menopause
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: bonsai and MRI
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At 10:16 AM 8/10/97 -0500, Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>I pass along 2 curious items. Item #1: a friend of mind had a major
>transcendent energy rush through the top of her head during a MRI exam.
>Made sense to me in terms of the possible interaction of K with the
>electromagnetic field.
>Item #2: I knew yesterday that I was probably headed for a fairly
>robust K episode which did in fact unfold last night. But yesterday
>afternoon I visited the Bonsai exhibit at the National Arboretum where
>some of the trees were 300 years old. The energy was so powerful in
>the exhibit pavillion I became nauseated and had to leave. Apparently
>the curator has to move the plants all the time because they get cranky
>with each other. They all pout when he goes on vacation!
>Whadya think? Holly

I think these are great stories!! and I both are valid on a certain level.

Some of my own from the past 24 hrs:

1) My K is napping today and I felt a loss about it until I remembered
thinking last night, "I need a break from this. Time to calm down. Give me
a break K." I should not complain when my every thought manifests!!

2) I have a jacuzzi >>and<< overly friendly neighbors. New to the area, no
friends yet, big talkers. I get just enough 'people time' most days and
don't want to add shouting conversations over the fence. I have not used
the jacuzzi in months because of this. I thought to turn it off - lots of
work to empty it though. I kept thinking I had to turn the heater to the
lowest setting anyway - what a waste of power in spite of curiously low
electric bills.

I have neglected my beautiful, pleasure giving plants too! So, the Morning
Glories just took over the place, growing under the deck boards, up and
around all the dying larger plants and into both neighbors decks. It looks
lush and wildly beautiful out there - with no input from me >and< it
provides extra privacy.

The neighbors told me they were going away for a few days (finally!!!) Last
evening I went out to check the chlorine level before it got dark in
preparation for enjoying my jacuzzi for the first time in months. The
chlorine level was not bad but the water was tepid!! and the jets were very
weak!! I was slipping into Murphy's Law type thnking (now I get some
privacy and the darn jets are weak...poor me) when I realized my own
thoughts over the months had probably had their impact.

This is my most recent demonstration that my appliances are as sensitive to
my wishes as my plants are. I bless them all for their responsive service to me.

M
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:02:11 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:Magnetism + Consciousness
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At 01:42 PM 8/10/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote:

Dear David,
Each of these are fascinating.
Do you have references.

>It is known that electro magnetic storms on the sun affect
>emotions on a global basis.

>Scientists have been doing studies with regard to applying
>electro magnetic stimulation using varying frequencies, pulse
>rates, and varying location on the brain with respect to its'
>effect on consciousness.

>They've found they can activate endorphins to a certain degree.

I really want the reference for both of these. (above and below)

>More interesting, they can cause this state where the person,
>(blindfolded and left alone in the room) senses a "presence".

Love and Joy,
Ken
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:25:46 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Magnetism + Consciousness
Message-ID: <33EE15BA.5E4FATnospammail.snet.net>

Ken McFarland wrote:
>
> At 01:42 PM 8/10/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote:
>
> Dear David,
> Each of these are fascinating.
> Do you have references.

I knew you'd be asking.

I'm sorry I can't. This information I got from a

documentary on either PBS or the Discovery channel.

(Maybe the Learning channel) I saw it maybe 4 months ago.

I don't remember the title. Maybe someone else on the

list has seen it and can help you out?

David
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Magnetism + Consciousness
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At 03:25 PM 8/10/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote:
>Ken McFarland wrote:
This information I got from a
>
>documentary on either PBS or the Discovery channel.
>
>(Maybe the Learning channel) I saw it maybe 4 months ago.
>

They have web sites and maybe e-mail addresses too.

M
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:34:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Magnetism + Consciousness
Message-Id: <199708102034.PAA15371ATnospamdfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>

You wrote:
>
>Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>> I pass along 2 curious items. Item #1: a friend of mind had a major
>> transcendent energy rush through the top of her head during a MRI
exam.
>> Made sense to me in terms of the possible interaction of K with the
>> electromagnetic field.
>
>
>It is known that electro magnetic storms on the sun affect
>
>emotions on a global basis.
>
>Scientists have been doing studies with regard to applying
>
>electro magnetic stimulation using varying frequencies, pulse
>
>rates, and varying location on the brain with respect to its'
>
>effect on consciousness.
>
>They've found they can activate endorphins to a certain degree.
>
>More interesting, they can cause this state where the person,
>
>(blindfolded and left alone in the room) senses a "presence".
>
>This line of research is in its' infancy, however I believe
>
>useful non-drug states of non-ordinary consciousness will be
>
>discovered. And then of course the government will step in and
>
>illegalize it as they did with LSD and MDMA.
>
>
You're right. I think Wilhelm Reich was onto this train of thought
when the feds put him in jail in the '50s. Holly
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:43:47 -0500
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: WILIAM RAND's VISIT - Reiki
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Here it is.. in Hmtl text.. so should look pretty on the net email..
grin..flute
<HTML><H2><CENTER>William L. Rand 
The Reiki Center 
<H5> Prodigy Guest Spotlight 07/17/97 
Astrology/New Age CHAT Log </H5>
 </CENTER></H2>

<BODY>NanS: 
Please join us in the Astrology/New Age Area in the Reiki Center Room for THE REIKI CENTER with guest speaker, William Rand and hosted by Flute 10:00 P.M. (EST)

SYSTEM Greeter: "William Rand" has entered the room

SummerSigh: WELCOME William !!!!!!!

FIute: Welcome William

WhiteKnight1: Namaste

MoonieStars: Hiya William

William Rand: Hello, I am here

DRAGON KlNG: evening William~

D8blue2: Williams here...let's get started :)

William Rand: Good

SummerSigh: It's great to have you here !!!

William Rand: Thanks 
 
sandyOr: >>>>Good Evening, William<<<<<

NanS: Greetings William Rand

William Rand: Greetings

Double B: I am excited

William Rand: I can feel my Reiki flowing!

FIute: We will start in just a few minutes

William Rand: Great

FIute: There are a number of Reiki Masters in here....
Yes I think my hands are burning.

silver roses: nice to meet you William, thanks for being here!

WisdomSeek: and MM to all seekers of spiritualand worldly
wisdom <S>

William Rand: This will be fun

WhiteKnight1: Hopefully not your last guest appearance, Bill

WhiteKnight1: Reiki News, beautiful newsletter

William Rand: Thank you

WhiteKnight1: You're welcome 
 
EVENT Host: Mr Rand ,,, Would you mind if White Knight ran a definition of what Reiki is before we begin ? 
 
William Rand: all right

WhiteKnight1: In fact I have created one from you book Bill, with your
permission

William Rand: Yes, put it up, thanks

WhiteKnight1: 
What is Reiki? by William Rand, Center for Reiki Training.
Web site: www.Reiki.org

The knowledge that an unseen energy flows through all living things and is connected directly to the quality of health has been part of the wisdom of
many cultures since ancient times. The existence of this "life force energy" has been verified
by recent scientific experiments, and medical doctors are considering the role it plays in the functioning of the immune system and the healing process. 
 
Reiki is a technique for stress reduction and relaxation
that allows everyone to tap into an unlimited supply. An amazingly simple technique to learn, of "life force energy" to improve health and enhance the quality of life. The ability to use Reiki is not taught in the usual sense, but is transferred to the student by the Reiki Master. Its use is not dependent on ones intellectual capacity or spiritual development and, therefore, is available to everyone. It has been successfully taught to thousands of people of all ages and backgrounds.

A treatment feels like a wonderful glowing radiance that flows through you and surrounds you.

Reiki treats the whole person including body, emotions, mind and spirit and creates many beneficial effects including relaxation and feelings of peace, security, and well-being. Many have reported miraculous results.

Reiki is a simple, natural, and safe method of spiritual healing and self-improvement that everyone can use.
 
Thank You!

William Rand: Thanks

WhiteKnight1: Namaste

FIute: Thank you WhiteKnight

NanS: Good evening and welcome to tonight's chat event---THE REIKI CENTER---- with guest speaker William Rand.
 
William Rand will be answering TOPIC RELATED QUESTIONS ONLY during the event. If you wish to ask a
question please Instant Message (IM) our assistant, DragonKing for a number.
 
In order to keep this event running smoothly, we kindly ask that you please refrain from the usual hugs and greetings as friends enter/exit the room. Please use your Instant Message during the event. Thank you. :-e

NanS: The hostess for our event tonight is Flute. Flute has the distinction of being the only Member Representative on Prodigy to work 2 areas at once .She directs Flute's Healing Circle on Monday evenings as well as doing off-line Healing Circles and Readings.
 
Flute is a Reiki Master Teacher with training in Pranic and various other energy related healing paths. And now .....

Flute ....

FIute: Greetings and welcome to tonight's Event. Our Guest for Tonight is William Lee Rand, Founder of the
Center for Reiki Training and Master Teacher of Usui and Karuna Reiki.
 
William L. Rand, has authored 'Reiki, The Healing Touch", "The Reiki Class Tapes" and many other Reiki articles and tapes, useful for the Reiki Teacher. 
Mr. Rand has much research on the origin and nature of the Usui System of Natural Healing. He also has a strong background in metaphysics and has been a professional hypnotherapist, past life regression,
rebirther, and is certified in Neuro Linguistic Programing. 
William teaches Reiki full time in Classes around the world and encourages all Reiki Practitioners to work together in harmony to bring peace to the earth. 
 
FIute: Welcome William Rand!!!

FIute: applause..

MoonlitStar: {s applause}

D8blue2: clap clap clap

William Rand: Thank you, I am glad to be here

EVENT Host: <applause > <G>

William Rand: I notice that nothing is happing, is the system working?
FIute: I think we are ok.. now..
EVENT Host: Now it is <S>

FIute: Mr Rand will be answering questions.. please get a number from Dragon King.

FIute: Mr. Rand would you like to make an opening statement?

William Rand: I hadn't though about it, but I will give it a try. I am happy to be a Reiki master. I love my work and I love the help Reiki is able to give to others.

DRAGON KlNG: yes.. number 1 Amandla

AMANDLA0212: I received a Reiki spirit guide before I actually took my first class on June 1. She has helped me but how do I get to know more? I have your book too...the guide's name is Hawayo. This is to Mr. Rand, btw.

William Rand: Hawayo is the first name of Mrs. Takata who brought Reiki to the western world. Your are fortunate to have her as your guide.

AMANDLA0212: Yes, but initially when I got her name, I misunderstood it and called her "Ay-e-a." It's sorta scary thing to me still. Are guides normal in Reiki?

William Rand: Meditation is a good way to develop your rapport with your
guides, and yes, guides are normal in Reiki, but not everyone is aware of them. They can help your healing process and help when you give healing to others.

AMANDLA0212: Thank you, Mr. Rand. Btw, can anyone go to your
Center in Southfield, MI to take Reiki training?

William Rand: Yes, when we have classes. Just call us or ck our schedule, Our phone is (800) 332-8112 
 
AMANDLA0212: Thanks! :-)

DRAGON KlNG: #2

ShadowHawk2: First off I LOVED your book! 
My question is......If you study level I and II under one person. Is it wise to change Teachers for your MASTER?

William Rand: It is up to you. If you feel happy with your teacher and are
receiving loving support in your training, then there is not need to change. However, after taking the master, you might consider training with others to broaden your knowledge

ShadowHawk2: Okay........I wondering about that as their are several methods out there 
 
William Rand: Yes, it is important to trust your inner guidance and go with
what feels right to you. This is the most important thing

ShadowHawk2: So if my gut is telling me to take my masters from someone else then I should go with it?

William Rand: Yes, go with your gut. Also, we publish a list of criteria to
go on when choosing a teacher.

ShadowHawk2: Thank you!!!!

FIute: Next question

DRAGON KlNG: #3 D8blue2

D8blue2: this ? is related to AMANDLA's ? How do you go about
getting a guide and is it common for the guide to contact you like Hawayo, did before even taking a Reiki class? 
 
William Rand: It is not common, but it does happen. Meditation or listening to a meditation tape can help. I have a tape for helping meet your Reiki guides. We also do this meditation
in our ART class

D8blue2: so just meditating and asking for your guide should do it?

William Rand: It is not necessary to be aware of your Reiki guide, but it
helps. When you do Reiki on others or self, just meditate on your inner guidance and this will help.

D8blue2: first I have to learn how to do it :)

DRAGON KlNG: #4 White Knight :]

WhiteKnight1: Mr. Rand, how/when/where did you become aware of Reiki?

William Rand: It was in 1981. I was in a re birthing class and a Reiki master asked to talk to the class. This was in Hawaii. It
was Bethel Phaigh who was my first teacher, I had never heard of Reiki before, but my friends had and told me it had value. I tried the class and it worked. I took Reiki II the next year, but did not think I would become a master. Reiki has a way of guiding us on the path that is right for us and in 1989, I became a master 
 
DRAGON KlNG: #5 SandyOr :]

sandyOr: Are there training centers in the Pacific NW...specifically OR and the Portland area? I have had a Spirit Guide for many years and have practiced Visualization...and thank
you for sharing tonight..I would like to grow and evolve if you don't know, where can I find out?

William Rand: There are Reiki teachers all over the US. You can check with the Center to find one in your area. Also, we will provide a free copy of the Reiki news that has our
teaching schedule in it
Just call us at 800-332-8112 
 
sandyOr: thanks:>

sandyOr: OH...good!! 
 
DRAGON KlNG: #6 Flute :]

FIute: Mr. Rand what is the difference between Karuna Reiki and
the Usui system?

William Rand: There are many kinds of healing energy. Usui Reiki is one
kind, Karuna Reiki is another kind 
 
FIute: Are there different symbols?
 
 
William Rand: Karuna Reiki has 8 symbols, each with its own distinct use and feeling to it. Most who take Karuna training find it to be different than Usui Reiki in how it works and its
effectiveness.

FIute: I understand you developed Karuna Reiki. Did you do this in Hawaii?? The name has a Hawaiian influence.

William Rand: The name is not Hawaiian although it sound like it. The name is Sanskrit and is used in Hinduism, Buddhism and Zen. It means Compassionate action. 
 
FIute: I understand only a Reiki Master Teacher can take Karuna Reiki? true?

William Rand: Yes, We teach karuna only to Usui masters because we want our students to have experience. Karuna is an advanced technique. Also, it is not a subsitute for Usui Reiki, so we want them to have Usui master first. 
 
FIute: Thank You.. Hugs 
 
DRAGON KlNG: #7 xLabyrinth :]

xLabyrinth: I can understand why you Trade marked the Karuna Reiki (even though my first thought was, "how can anyone 'trademark' Reiki?"), however....why such high costs for
this particular system? Wouldn't it be better to make this more readily available to all who want it, rather than just to those who can afford it? Just curious..... no offense. 
 
William Rand: The cost is the same as what we charge or Usui master training. Also, we do not require those who take Karuna training to charge specific prices - they can charge whatever they want or nothing 
 
DRAGON KlNG: #8 Amandla :] 
 
AMANDLA0212: Mr. Rand, I understand there are some people in the Reiki movement who are trying to make a lot of money from Reiki
practitioners. Would you like to address that at all? :) Labyrinth, we have related questions. :-)

William Rand: I feel that people have the right to charge whatever they want or to charge nothing if they are guided to do so. Yes, some may be trying to make money with Reiki, but this may
or may not be healthy, it just depends on the situation. Reiki can do no harm and any one who uses Reiki is
benefiting others

AMANDLA0212: So, again it is about following one's *guts?*

William Rand: Yes, This is what we need to develop. Trust in our own
ability to decide what is right for us - not simply doing what an authority tell us to do 
 
silver roses: #9 Hi William! Can you tell us a little bit about your Reiki art classes, that you just mentioned ? (thank you). 
 
William Rand: Yes, ART stands for advanced Reiki Training. I teach the use of Crystals and stones with Reiki, Reiki mediation, Reiki psychic Surgery as well as give the Usui master symbol and attunement
I welcome all questions about Reiki. Please think of some good ones. 
 
DRAGON KlNG: #10 NanS 
 
NanS: William, how do you feel about lineage d vs. non-lineaged?I happened to find a Master who is lineage d, but I know there is alot of controversy... 
 
William Rand: True Usui Reiki comes from a lineage. It is possible for a person to get it directly from meditation or ones guides, but then this would likely be another kind of Reiki

NanS: Thank you, I am truly glad that I found her :>

DRAGON KlNG: # 12 Baltman :] 
 
baltman: Mr.Rand...Is there a correlation between AIKIDO and REIKI...as far as Ki is concerned...does REIKI deal w/the
outpouring of Ki? 
 
William Rand: The nature of Reiki is that it is part of a lineage, it the ability is passed on. There is a distant connection between Aikido and Reiki. They both deal with Ki. But one is a method of self defence and Reiki is only for healing 
 
baltman: does an AIKIDO practitioner have a foundation for REIKI? 
 
William Rand: There could be some benefit for one who has Aikido to take Reiki but only if in Aikido, the person gained an awareness of Ki and especially if they learned how to use Ki to heal 
 
baltman: thank you..:-) 
 
DRAGON KlNG: #13 Labyrinth :] 
 
xLabyrinth: Would you address the issue regarding the Reiki symbols? As a Usui Reiki Master/Teacher I recently had a friend of mine go into shock over the fact that I "showed someone the symbols." I believe that there is no harm in doing that. What is your opinion? SHOULD they only be seen by the "chosen ones?" <G> AND... (before DRAGON cuts me off again! <BG>!).... How do you feel about those who teach Reiki and pass the attunements via the computer?

William Rand: The symbols are meant to be shown only to those who are taking a class to preserve their sacredness. However, the harm in showing others in not great. But it can reduce the one who does it's connection to the sacred aspects of the symbols. The power of the symbols comes from the attunement and so there is little value in showing the symbols to one who has not taken a class

William Rand: I believe it is possible for an attunement to be passed by computer, but this would be more experimental. The best
way is to take a class in person and get the full training.

xLabyrinth: That's my feeling as well... What value are they to those
who have not been attuned to them.
I agree with that as well.... Thank you, Mr. Rand.

DRAGON KlNG: #14 D8blue2

D8blue2: hi again....I was wondering about how long does it take to achieve each degree? And also...where is your center and do you have other centers in different states...say...CT? : 
 
DRAGON KlNG: Last Question 
William Rand: The Reiki classes take a weekend each. ONe should
practice what one learns before taking the next class. The time between classes varies depending on the amount of practice. The Center is in Michigan near Detroit. However, we
teach all over the country and in other country. We have 20 certified teachers that teach for the Center. 
 
D8blue2: hmmm...interesting...any of them coming to CT? 
 
William Rand: Perhaps - call 800-332-8112 and we can give you our schedule

D8blue2: ok..thanx : > 
 
FIute: This is Mr. Rand's first time on Prodigy CHAT and he's doing a great job.. Thank you soo much for your information..We appreciate it very much. It has been an honor having you here. 
 
AMANDLA0212: Thank you, Mr. Rand for talking with us tonite.
 
MoonlitStar: {s applause} Mr. Rand... THANK you 
silver roses: <applause> 
 
FIute: Write, call, fax or email for a Free Copy of the "REIKI NEWS" from the CENTER FOR REIKI TRAINING 29209 Northwestern Hwy #592, SouthField, Mi 48034. 
 
nofinisline: thank you <s> 
sandyOr: I<<<APPLAUSE>>>

William Rand: I really liked the chat. Thanks for inviting Me.

DRAGON KlNG: >>>>>>>APPLAUSE<<<<<<< 
 
NanS: I have one of your flyers and read it all the time...! 
D8blue2: 3 cheers for MR. RAnd 
EVENT Host: <applauding !!!!!> 
NanS: {s applause} 
 
William Rand: Namaste

WhitePearl: WONDERFUL
William!

WhiteKnight1: Namaste

WhiteKnight1: :>

EVENT Host: Join us for a *** SPECIAL BULLETIN BOARD EVENT!!
JULY 17- 23 *** We invite everyone to join us as the BB welcomes William Rand Check it out under the topic REIKI CENTER. You won't want to miss it. 
 
DRAGON KlNG: :]

WhiteKnight1: hope to see you back soon Bill!

William Rand: Thanks

sandyOr: thanks, everyone.....

FIute: Thank you very much.. .. 
lets give him a group hug.. grin
FIute: ((((HUG)))))))

baltman: thank you

EVENT Host: To get to the BB ,,,, JUMP Astrology ,,, then choose the
TOPIC REIKI CENTER

William Rand: Yum

sandyOr: (((((HUG)))))

NanS: I am so glad Reiki has come to my home Prodigy!!!!!

WhiteKnight1: lol

WhitePearl: .-*-..-*-..-*-..-*-.William.-*-..-*-..-*-..-*-.

EVENT Host: THANK YOU WIlliam !!!!!!!!!!

silver roses: (((((((((((((((( william ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

MoonlitStar: { ¤ { ¤ { ¤ { §§§§ William §§§§ } ¤ } ¤ } ¤ } Thank you

WhiteKnight1: »»¥««*'William'*»»¥««

AMANDLA0212: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{William Rand!!!}}}}}}}}}}}}}

WhiteKnight1: thanks Flute!!!

William Rand: Love and Reiki to everyone

NanS: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{William, Flute, Event Host, Dragon

King}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
DRAGON KlNG: {{{{{{{{WILL}}}}}}}}}
EVENT Host: And to you 
William !!!!!!

FIute: Thank you everyone for being here..

nofinisline: I feel like this room was continually Reikied during the talk

SYSTEM Greeter: "William Rand" has left the room 
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:22:35 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and menopause
Message-ID: <33EE776B.1A8CATnospambest.com>

Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Hi Morgana
> I love your posts. Can you give me the address on the inet for the DHEA in
> liquid form? I have never seen it around here. Thanks , RUTH
>
>
Thanks, Ruth, I love yours also.
try this:
http://www.intellex.com/~therave/dhgn97a.html
if that doesn't get you there, try infoseek, DHEA and see
DHEA capsules, sublingual, cream - on the first page .
Morgana

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1997/08/10 20:09
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #390