1997/07/03 22:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #299
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 299
Today's Topics:
Re: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous
T.S. Eliot and Kundalini?!
Meditation Chair & Present for Teacher?
Re: Love + compassion
Re: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous
a question
hi, I'm all new
K.List Family Album
Shri Mataji - Good News for Kundalini.....
Re: Love + compassion
Re: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous
Re: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous
Re: a question
Re: K.List Family Album
Re: awake dreaming
(Forceful) Exercises Dangerous - no no no
Re: Love + compassion
Re: Love + compassion
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:54:57 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous
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Yogi Tom Says:
>and then there's the more common "inbetween phenomenon" of kundalini
>yogis who have a transitional crisis which may well be pretty alarming
>at the time, but usually work out in the end......
>
>i have yet to hear of anyone who hasn't somehow managed to climb back
>from the edge of the abyss when experiencing traumatic kundalini - look
>at the list, there seem to be a lot of people who have survived and gone
>on to thrive ! perhaps crisis can be the mother of invention.....
>
>but maybe the really bad cases are unable to write or talk about their
>experiences or even understand the nature of kundalini......
I think that there are a number of people out there who have never
re-socialized after kundalini awakening. I don't know the full backgrounds
of these people's past and whether they had a background of psychotic
behavior. I believe Barbara Greenwell has a book that tracks some case
histories of people who never fully re-socialized.
Kurt said:
>>IMHO treating something as mysterious usually
>>doesn't serve as much of a springboard for improving our understanding of
>>the phenomena. I dream of putting our understanding of kundalini on a solid
>>scientific foundation. For me a spirit of scientific enquiry is consistent
>>with an attitude of reverence.
>>
Yogi Tom replied:
>yes, ultimately, i agree, but that science will not be linear and it
>will take people able to push science and language to the very limits of
>understanding to articulate the subtle and profound nature of kundalini
>- for instance, how to formalise a science of intuitive understanding ?
>i guess this is what the New Physics is all about, but to be honest I
>haven't looked at it closely in years and when i mention it to
>scientific sceptics it doesn't seem to have grabbed their attention or
>really altered their outlook at all - they seem largely immune to its
>coherence and depth...
>
Mathematics has the ability to be much more non-linear than the English
language. Mathematics can describe phenomena that is much more
sophisticated than can adequately be expressed in language. I hope that
some day we will be able to build a mathematical model of this phenomonena.
Kurt asked Tom:
>>Would you mind telling me a little bit approach about your practice and
>>approach to kundalini?
>
Yogi Tom replied:
>my approach is to listen to her very deeply
>especially through the heart and through dreams
>integrate her energies at every level of being
>and go gently, but with solid rock faith..........
I think an essential component of spiritual community is to remind each
other of what we know - but often forget. Thanks for the reminder.
Kurt
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 20:16:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: T.S. Eliot and Kundalini?!
Message-Id: <199707030116.UAA18578ATnospamdfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
>From "Little Gidding," (1942) the last of the Four Quartets:
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, remembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always --
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: derekATnospamanxst.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Meditation Chair & Present for Teacher?
Message-Id: <199707030538.WAA00343ATnospamshellx.best.com>
I was curious, what is a good present for a teacher. This one is not a Guru,
but she does dress in white, says she devoted her life to teaching. (She
also is a virgin, but I never asked this question, she just 'volunteered' it
to me one day).
Just wanted to know what was appropriate.
ALSO I have seen some chairs, almost like beach chairs. You still basically
sit on the floor, it has a small pillow to sit on, but connected it has a
back. Very comfortable! The back has a metal rim around it (hidden in
cloth). I do not have back problems, but I do have problems sitting upright
when in meditation, when I go to a place to practice on occasion, they have
a few of these chairs I use and love them. (Tried to ask them where they
got them, so far no luck).
Thanks in advance for any help or advice! :)
--
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:32:42 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love + compassion
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On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, susan carlson wrote:
> dear ram,
>
> ---"S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
>
> > When one empties the mind ... the new mind comes in with right
> knowledge
> > for your upliftment or higher evolution at whatever stage you are.
>
> who told you that and\or why do you believe it is so? is it from your
> own experience or did your belief create that experience?
>
>From my own experience. Prior to my meditation , I could neither
understand Gita nor could i understand any deep religious philosophy.
Now i know what is the correct message all these books are giving . I am
so sure that any translation of vedas and Gita etc. can be better written
by me in the present time as i understand the language of present
generation. There has been great differences in Bhuddhic and Vedic
literature and to me this is misunderstanding on the part of pundits.
Wrong or right this is my present state of mind. I have received many
new ideas which i have written earlier on this e-mail. These new ideas
could not be brought down earlier as because no one knew about computers
electricity or phones etc and their technology . Neither one could
understand space and time earlier.
If you have my earlier e-mails , i advice you to read them. All answers
came from above .>
> but arent we already here and there now?
What is the purpose of this life if we are here and there as well.
>
> yogananda's teacher defined god as 'evernew joy'. this is how the 'i'
> feels to me. that is to me the juiciness of life.
> Buddha said that this life is all dukkha (pain)
>
-> ram
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:31:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: DynamoooATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous
Message-ID: <970703123022_1689987610ATnospamemout08.mail.aol.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:42:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: CDeepaATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: a question
Message-ID: <970703164255_-2045492979ATnospamemout15.mail.aol.com>
Hi ......I was wondering if anyone out there has heard of common physical
ailments due to K awakening.........??????? I have just gone to a
naturopath and he has said that it seems that my lower intestine...or
digestion isn't too good....also...my liver is really stressed.....I have
read that the K energy can be a stress on the body....in particular the
nervous system...( of course)......Ever since this whole thing has
started...i have been exhausted a lot....and anxiety...is always
there......So....if any one happens to have looked into this K and physical
problems due to it....let me know what you have found out ....and if you
know of any way to help the body to deal with this K energy....let me know
that too....A lot of questions as usual....
Deepa :)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:31:10 +0100
From: Paul Fallon <pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk>
To: "'k-list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: hi, I'm all new
Message-ID: <01BC8801.00374BE0ATnospamjarama14.legend.co.uk>
hi, encouraged by the reducing traffic here, I'd like to allow myself the indulgence of a self-introduction.
(Actually I posted this once before but those K-technogoblins gobbled it en-route)
I'm Paul age 32 from Leeds (officially the most best city in the world, ha ha) *North* of England, UK. Or am I Irish? My parents say that if a cat has kittens in an oven, you don't call them cakes. I've been reading this list for the last many weeks and am > at last < fit to contribute << I reckon. Thought I'd better introduce myself before sounding off....
Had my first k-rising aged 17. Spontaneously. (It followed an even weirder phenomenon: spontaneous poetry writing.) Knew though at the time roughly what was going on but no words to frame it. A hunch led me to me a reference library and a word came: kundalini. It's weirder now looking back (to approx. 1982) at someone accepting these inarticulable sensations moving up inside them and not becoming more barking than I did. I moved into a parallel intuitive logic (AKA: pretty barking actually)- flickering across perceptions that I could not even try > hard < to share with friends or family. Isolated I guess, and in extremity > my mind helping things along through an increasingly alienated focus on my self and the love/paranoia I could feel for the world. Like Mystress said: <<snip>>(something about) restriction; <<snip>>(something about) pain; <<snip>> endorphins: <<snip>> disassociation and other seemingly pleasurable things. Or something. I needed to be lead in to crisis in order to develop that taughtness of self and to be able to feel my the shape of my inner vibes, be receptive to them: adapt, allow, accept and flow with them for once.
On the other hand, this may not be coming over properly. Start again: it's been many years now since I devoted time and attention to K but I've never discussed what happened in me to anyone in my life. I figured it out: there was no point. Just gleaning the odd book, alighting on the odd chord in literature or art. So > new PC > modem > searching k > result = wow. I've greatly appreciated the discussions and the feel of the site. It's a more wonderful ting than I can properly appreciate: you really can talk like this, can't you?
There are a lot of things that I have never resolved - or verbalised. Visions I've had; words I've heard inside; those rising feelings; stopping at the throat; why that felt right; what this *means*. I'd like to talk about these to someone. What was going on - why - where am I on my personal path - things you probably can't help me with anyway.... Yes, ego. Like to talk. And share the experiences I've had with people who can understand....
I don't put effort in to K now and I don't experience it apart from odd twinges, internal pulses. But I'm too busy you see: I've been in an all-consuming inner-city community development role for the past several years. It's not that time for me. Everything has been dropped - even poetry until recently - to make room. But - while I'm on a roll - I'd like to send one or two of my poems to the list (and have enjoyed some of those on it) ....
Phwat else (ever read Watt by Samuel Beckett?)? Well, like I say, this is a first for me. Hi there! Mystress, Appropriate Tom, Lobster, Maeror, Kim, Anita, Peter, Dolce Vita, Douglas, Sunil, Morgana, Ram, Susan and all the rest that I have read: it has been a pleasure.
Sounds cocky. First impressions and all. Oh well. Bye.
(Maybe if I asked a question I'd get more replies)
Oh well. Bye.
- Newboy Paul.
This is not the end: it is not even the beginning of the end. It is perhaps the end of the beginning.
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 15:20:17
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: K.List Family Album
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Hello Family:
I have taken another tour of Frans' Kundalite Photo Gallery.
For those who may have forgotten, Frans Storms, who generously hosts the
Mirror version of the K.list website, has been compiling self portaits that
members have sent him on a website. It has gotten 3x larger since I last
visited. Very, totally wonderful to finally put some faces to the names..
what a charge!
Shaktizap online.
One thing tho...
Did anyone besides me, .. notice an odd, almost familial resemblence
between most members? I'm talking high foreheads... dimples, too..
something about the configuration of cheeks and mouth I haven't quite
pinned down yet... and pointy chins... am I nuts? Am I seeing gene markers
for K.A.?
Blessings, Angelique.
At 21:52 06/06/97 +0000, frans wrote:
Anyway i still would
>like to see some more k-list faces at:
>http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/we/
>Have a picture? Send it to me, frans.
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Swami Beyondananda on the Golden Rule: "It seems that when
masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they
become sadists," the Swami said. "Consequently, the Golden Rule
has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:29:57 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Shri Mataji - Good News for Kundalini.....
Message-ID: <em9iTDAlfCvzEwM4ATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
namaskar oh yogis
just returned from a wonderful meeting for Shri Mataji, founder of
Sahaja Yoga - hundreds of people doing chakra exercises and forgiving
everyone and taking off their shoes to go barefoot and let Mother Earth
cleanse their bodies......
this woman is the best, she is The Mother
she has set up centres in 65 countries, all centred on the Mother Power
here is a little something to inspire the great evolutionary urge...
"...the Age of the Holy Spirit in which the ordinary man and woman will
achieve the highest kind of awareness and participate in the most ideal
form of social organisation by virtue of the indwelling divine power,
which in Sahaja Yoga is called the Kundalini, the Divine Mother energy,
the Adi Shakti within."
Sahaja Yoga emphasises the prime importance of EQUILIBRIUM
one of the speakers spoke about the need for peace on the BLUE PEARL of
this planet....
another one foretold the day when the whole planet would be peopled by
Sahaja Yogis - people who have raised kundalini to the sahasrara.....
and this at the Royal Albert Hall in London where I once heard the Three
Degrees give a concert, and Roxy Music.......
roll on tomorrow
love Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love + compassion
Message-ID: <19970703232307.8704.rocketmailATnospamsend1.rocketmail.com>
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---"S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> What is the purpose of this life if we are here and there as well.
i know my purpose. . .do you know yours? i don't think life really has
a purpose other than to know and experience itself. its up to me
whether its a 'good' experience or a 'bad' experience. and i don't
think this is limited by dimension/location.
> > Buddha said that this life is all dukkha (pain)
is that how life feels to you? what do you think? that's what the
buddha says, what does ram say? buddha can only speak from his
experience of what he knows. what's your authority? its the same or as
equal to his.
i certainly wouldnt want somebody with that kind of belief system in
my neighborhood. or around children for that matter. doesn't sound
like buddha dude knows much about life and its sweetness (based on
your quote).
love
susan
ps
i am still chewing on the thought, "enlightenment is a cultural myth".
thank you morgana :D
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:11:12 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous
Message-ID: <B3A1HYAQGDvzEw$dATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
>I think that there are a number of people out there who have never
>re-socialized after kundalini awakening. I don't know the full backgrounds
>of these people's past and whether they had a background of psychotic
>behavior. I believe Barbara Greenwell has a book that tracks some case
>histories of people who never fully re-socialized.
>
interesting - does anyone know anything more about this kind of
research, i have never heard of it. all i know of is Lee Sannella's book
The Kundalini Experience which has some case studies, but they had happy
endings.....
>
>>
>
>Mathematics has the ability to be much more non-linear than the English
>language. Mathematics can describe phenomena that is much more
>sophisticated than can adequately be expressed in language. I hope that
>some day we will be able to build a mathematical model of this phenomonena.
now, is there anyone out there who knows about the "New Maths" and its
relevance to kundalini ?
and then there's sacred geometry which seems to be popping up a lot in
New Age thinking.....
>
>I think an essential component of spiritual community is to remind each
>other of what we know - but often forget. Thanks for the reminder.
>
YES YES YES WHO AM I BUT YOU ? AND WHO ARE YOU BUT ME ?
>Kurt
>
Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:00:19 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous
Message-ID: <5GErLRAD8CvzEwr3ATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <199707021434.JAA16480ATnospamdfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com>, "Holly N.
Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com> writes
>Dan's remark about trying to force Kundalini being like trying to force
>Puberty made me laugh out loud. This process DOES feel like
>deconstruction. Anybody remember the great Fitzgerald short story
>called "The Strange Case of Benjamin Button"? It's about a man who
>gets younger and younger -- read lighter and lighter, or more and more
>transparent -- till he dies as a baby. Holly
>
the inner child is a crucial aspect to kundalini integration
but he/she can co-exist with other aspects of the psyche too
one of the classic problems is that kundlini can be seen as a regression
because the child dominates at the expense of other aspects of the
mature psyche like the warrior/Amazon and prince/princess
best to nurture your inner child in a safe place as "out there" it can
be dangerous.....
lambs make nice dinners for hungry wolves.....
love
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:28:55 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: CDeepaATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: a question
Message-ID: <fHpybiA3WDvzEw+qATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <970703164255_-2045492979ATnospamemout15.mail.aol.com>,
CDeepaATnospamaol.com writes
>Hi ......I was wondering if anyone out there has heard of common physical
>ailments due to K awakening.........??????? I have just gone to a
>naturopath and he has said that it seems that my lower intestine...or
>digestion isn't too good....also...my liver is really stressed.....I have
>read that the K energy can be a stress on the body....in particular the
>nervous system...( of course)......Ever since this whole thing has
>started...i have been exhausted a lot....and anxiety...is always
>there......So....if any one happens to have looked into this K and physical
>problems due to it....let me know what you have found out ....and if you
>know of any way to help the body to deal with this K energy....let me know
>that too....A lot of questions as usual....
> Deepa :)
>
try a high prana diet - look into wholefoods, raw foods, sprouted beans
and peas, seeds and nuts, and high quality supplements that are
available in the pharmacists....
cut out coffee, tea, alcohol, cigarettes, sugar, salt, processed foods.
more info soon to be available on my website, will be announced soon
love Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: K.List Family Album
Message-ID: <19970703234701.4278.rocketmailATnospamsend2.rocketmail.com>
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---Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:
> One thing tho...
> Did anyone besides me, .. notice an odd, almost familial resemblence
> between most members? I'm talking high foreheads... dimples, too..
> something about the configuration of cheeks and mouth I haven't quite
> pinned down yet... and pointy chins... am I nuts? Am I seeing gene
markers
> for K.A.?
> Blessings, Angelique.
well, i must the step child of the shirt tail cousin from the wrong
side of the bed. . .cause i sure don't have any of those traits.
but interesting point. as people begin to clear themselves by k there
may be some similar physical characteristics appearing. our belief
systems create our phyical structure according to a branch of
specialized kinesiology.
i have done clearing work with people and have watched their ears,
eyes, eyebrows, lips change shape and location (and that was just on
their face). have pictures to prove it.
i bet there are other people on the list who have had the same
experience.
my voice has changed! it use to come from high in my throat but since
shaktipat and other interventions it has moved into my chest. (i have
gotten marriage proposals based on my voice).
isn't life a wonder!? ;D
susan
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:39:44 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: awake dreaming
Message-ID: <o2YvHGAwoCvzEwqyATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <199707021407.JAA18142ATnospamdfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>, "Holly N.
Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com> writes
>As I seem to become increasingly aware of being here ("Holly") and not
>being here (all is Spirit) simultaneously, I notice that when I close
>my eyes I am dreaming instantaneously, but not sleeping. Most
>interesting development. Anybody know what is happening? Holly
>
ho hum
is this a dream and are we an illusion ?
sounds like you are waking up.......
may be worth looking out for Tibetan teachings on the bardo states
it is not until we hit the Clear Primordial Light that we can relax....
so what's in a dream ?
half-awake
Yogi Tom zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
--
Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:53:15 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: (Forceful) Exercises Dangerous - no no no
Message-ID: <3GiorMAb1CvzEwLvATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <970702175640_323585391ATnospamemout20.mail.aol.com>, CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
writes
>I tend to agree with Kurt
>In my opinion (which is only as good as that) our subconcious knows what's
>best for us and will only do things for our benifit, not that the need for
>illusion isn't strong. If a practice does hurt or even kill I believe that
>it does so in conjunction with our subconcious and for the eventual overall
>benefit of our spirit.
no no no it happens because we fail to understand that our
consciousness must cooperate and be assimilated by the emergent energy
of the subconscious that is shakti.....
it is just plain primordial ignorance and totally unnecessary and
generally arises because our conditioning runs so deep against kundalini
and her primal energies....if it hurts it's because we're doing it
wrong.
honest - i've hurt real bad and came close to strawberry jam but neither
experience was necessary or part of some divine plan - it was just pure
ignorance and deepseated resistance to shakti......
if the subconscious is blocked in an individual, crisis and breakdown
result, when a whole culture blocks the subconscious the result is
systemic crisis and breakdown as we are witnessing in so many aspects of
the modern world, where some of the greatest minds spend their time
thinking up ways of zapping people off the face of the earth etc etc etc
suicide is not an option with shakti, nor is self-destruction, hell can
be one hell of a place to be my friend and many people end up there
because of ignorance about shakti - it is simply a cultural and
educational blockage rather than any great mystical revelation that is
needed although this helps too of course.......
regards
Yogi Tom
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 07:21:42 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love + compassion
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On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, susan carlson wrote:
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> ---"S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
>
> > What is the purpose of this life if we are here and there as well.
>
> i know my purpose. . .do you know yours? i don't think life really has
> a purpose other than to know and experience itself. its up to me
> whether its a 'good' experience or a 'bad' experience. and i don't
> think this is limited by dimension/location.
I became a STREAM ENTERER three years back. This means that i have
no control over this life of mine , neither now nor in future. Whatever
has been happening inside me and around me is not because of me but
inspite of me.
So my i has no purpose , it cannot have any purpose because it is not
there as far as i am concerned. But this life of mine has very great
purpose for someone higher up. This i have been experiencing every moment
of my life while awake or while asleep. The moment i forget this due to
my old habits i become restless. SAME IS FOR YOU AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
ALL LIFE IS HERE FOR PURPOSE OF HIGHER EVOLUTIONARY FORCES.
> > > > Buddha
said that this life is all dukkha (pain)
> > is that how life feels to you? what do you think? that's what the
> buddha says, what does ram say? buddha can only speak from his
> experience of what he knows. what's your authority? its the same or as
> equal to his.
Ram has been going thro pain and dukkha since last five years . Every
movement towards higher evolution leaves behind pain. Earlier when i was
not meditating ( before 1992) i was in pain because of ill health and my
nature of hatred fear and jealousy. Though now health is good and fear
hatred and jealousy are almost gone, still movement towards higher
evolution is pain. Read my earlier articles.
>
> i certainly wouldnt want somebody with that kind of belief system in
> my neighborhood. or around children for that matter. doesn't sound
> like buddha dude knows much about life and its sweetness (based on
> your quote).
Ram also knows that this pain can be avoided by devotion and love
towards higher power , but Ram's birth seed is that of egoist and he
suffers. You and your childern may be beleivers of love and devotion
which moves you towards egolessness and hence bliss . And ram rejoices in
your egolessness and bliss.
>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love + compassion
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---"S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
) i was in pain because of ill health and my
> nature of hatred fear and jealousy. Though now health is good and
fear
> hatred and jealousy are almost gone, still movement towards higher
> evolution is pain. Read my earlier articles.
> Ram also knows that this pain can be avoided by devotion and love
> towards higher power , but Ram's birth seed is that of egoist and he
> suffers. You and your childern may be beleivers of love and devotion
> which moves you towards egolessness and hence bliss . And ram
rejoices in
> your egolessness and bliss.
dear ram,
so much sadness in your life. i don't need to read your earlier
articles to know about your pain. i believe you and it reaches out to
me from your postings. i cry because of it.
do you really believe you are separate and different from the higher
power? my heart aches for you on your journey to at-one-ment.
what i see, as you turn to bring others and yourself to this higher
power, you cannot see the higher power as it aches to reach you and
enfold you in its arms. this is what my heart shows me.
much much love,
susan
namaste
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