1997/06/26 20:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #292
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 292
Today's Topics:
re: reiki class
Cancer and lack of energy
Kundalini
Re: ego
Re: The pattern, merkaba warning.
Re: ego
re: reiki class
K+cancer
Re: Risposta: Ego
Re: Dream
Re: the LAKE !!!
Re: Joy
re:ego and love
Re: reiki class
reiki symbols
Re: REIKI/ Lightning:odd experiences
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:52:26 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: reiki class
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Replying to: Steve Elsner <selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu>
> Joe,
> I am curious about your reiki training and where/how you reach the
>conclusions you have set forth in your previous post (reiki not being
>universal ki, etc...) Could you give me a brief outline of your
training
>so I have some idea where you're coming from? Did you do any other
>healing/energy work which might influence your view on reiki?
>
I have gone through the 2nd degree with a teacher who lives near my
home. Since I am not at heart an organization type person and this was
just to assist my work in K. (based on Vedantic and Cherokee
techniques), if she told us much of her linage I didn't listen. Sorry.
I do have a decent understanding of prana (chi or ki if you're using the
Chinese or Japanese words) because of detailed Vedantic training. From
that tradition all of the energies related to the physical body are
prana (since there are several pranas they are often called vayus),
modifications of prana, or the tendencies of prana in an individual.
These can be used in different ways including healing, hence Reiki and
chi healing.
One basic rule is that prana is limited in the individual but not the
universe. There is an "exception that proves the rule." There is one
very difficult and secret technique that can be done by an extremely
advanced student that will open him/her to unlimited universal prana. It
can be done to a very advanced student (one who has reached the base of
the crown chakra) by a master. This is not happening in Reiki training!
It takes days for a master to complete, with the help of the student.
The change in the individual is unbelievable! Sleep becomes optional. My
teacher did this to his chosen student. She once made me look like
lightening in motion. She was in bed by 10:00 PM and up somewhere around
9:00 AM. Now I don't know her schedule, she is up and active when I give
it up for the night (between 11:00 and midnight) and she is up and
active long before I get moving around 6:00 AM. As I said there was
nothing I've ever heard of from Reiki that could come close to this.
This observation reinforces the instruction I received from my teacher.
He was very clear that he has only heard of this one exception to
limited of prana. After seeing what it means I haven't seen it in any
Reiki masters or chi masters I've met or studied with that can compare.
> I'm a sensei of Usui Shiki Ryoho and Tibetan Reiki, and at present
>I do disagree with your views, but I can appreciate your ideas since I
too
>disagree with most other "masters" as well :-) I am willing to
consider
>what you have to say, but you really need to back it up with other
>information (experience, energy principles, etc) so I know what you're
>talking about. It would be too easy for me to just dismiss your last
>post, since you didn't go into a lot of depth... such depth might be
>alienating for the k-list so you may wish to take this up in private,
but
>I am very interested....
>
> The attunement process not only does "things" to our energetic
>system, but it brings us in resonance with the universal ki. Since the
>universal ki is unlimited, and we are connected to/channeling it, the
>healing energy we use in reiki is unlimited. Similarly, Koichi Tohei
(a
>REAL master, not a reiki "master"- he is founder of the Ki Society and
>teaches Ki Aikido) makes a point about how important it is to have your
ki
>"in conflux with the Universal" (to use his words) so your energy will
be
>virtually limitless. I don't have the book now (I am not at home but
will
>be in a half hour) but later I will read it over again to get more
>specific data.
>
> Argh, I must restrain myself. Before we go into much more depth,
>I wish to know precisely where you're coming from so I can
understand...
>
>awaiting discussion- hugs,
> Steve
It looks like we are reaching the point where this discussion will go
slow because I don't know how much of my background (and shared terms)
you have and I feel lost in some of the terms you've mentioned in the
above.
I've outlined the logic and basis of my statement on unlimited energy in
the individual, or rather I've tried to. Rather than go into more here
let me go back to a more direct point for this list that caused me to
respond in the first place.
My payoff is judged by the answer to the question: how does it impact
the K process? If it moves K up it is good. It if doesn't it is old
news! Even if it cures cancer and brings world peace. I know that sounds
tough but life is tough. I have two serious goals. One is to achieve
enlightenment or get as close as possible this time so I can more easily
finish next time through.
One example: I used to do Tai Chi and Chi Qung (or Gung). Those two
bring the energy to the navel center. The purpose is to make the body
stronger. They do that well. But once K is at the navel you need prana
to be going up to clear the way and draw K up. I haven't done Tai Chi or
Chi Qung in years. It isn't because I wasn't good at it, I was, that it
didn't make me healthier, it did, or that I didn't enjoy it, I loved it.
My Chi Qung teacher was from China and commented I was as good a western
student as she had had [of course she'd only been here 9 months then
:)]. It just didn't help the K from that point forward, in fact by
drawing the prana downward to the navel it could hold K back.
I would be glad to discuss this somemore, probably off-list, if you'd
like. Now I must close and get some food and rest, job interview
tomorrow.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:49:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: TPp40ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Cancer and lack of energy
Message-ID: <970626194942_191066740ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com>
Lindewey wrote that there seems to be a lack of energy and the spots of
cancer. Interesting notion and seems to bear out in practice. My sister is
now in the middle of dealing with her estranged husbond and colen/rectal
cancer. I have aways been unconfrotable with him, he is one of these people
that can never say a kind word and the destructive cycles are ingrained in
him. IE: sorry but, an ass-XXXX
For myself, we go back to brain tumors. I was devoid of energy and thus
fellings that others needed me to show. IE: a facial tumor They still don't
know what it was, called a glomus tumor, very very rare, seventh at the
University of MN. in 1988. But as with most things, the powers of the
universe intravined and I was spared a lifetime of drooling out the side of
my face, not able to swallow, blink, or use the right side of my body.
For she, again a rare thing, a Acustic Neuroma. Caught early enough to do
partial damage but not full loss of the left side. She has had a problem
with hearing me and understanding my meaning. IE: listens but does not hear
or understand my meanings. Not that it is easy to understand me but, one
would think that after six years together she would have the "code" down pat
or at least ask the questions. Too close I guess and not enough time apart
to understand the dinamics of the relationship.
Just some observations on the power of the mind and disease from a simple
man. Don't know if this helps the futherance of our understanding but,
something that comes to mind in this time of healing for all. Prayers and
Meditation for Bob and Laura would be appreciated.
LLLL
TPp40
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:35:07
From: SpiritDeeATnospamwebtv.net (DEE BUCZEK) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini
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Not on the list: please respond to Spiritdee directly.
List Mystress.
Could you tell me of a chat room regarding Kundalini?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:33:31
From: zolloATnospammgmt1.wharton.upenn.edu (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ego
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Thanks to Lobster, Ken and Brenda for the kind words on my posting.
Hope my own ego won't blow up as a result....
Apart from jokes, Ken had some serious and deep questions which I may
try my best in answering.
> It seems to me that left-right hemispheres are differentiated by lexical vrs
> imagery-olfactory-auditory; reductionistic vrs wholistic;
> emotions such as interest and frustration, vrs joy, shame, and emotions of
> the heart.
>
> Couldn't ego and superego reside in either hemisphere depending on modality
> of representation?
>
>
> You are right again.
> Shame and fear do the hindering.
> How are these be manifest as ego or superego?
>
There is a very clear distinction, at least at the experiential level
(perhaps not in psychology theories) between the activities and
consequences of the ego and the super-ego. The former is the result
of aggressive, futuristic, self-centered types of activities, it is
fed by our feeling of superiority, and by our reactions when the
sense of superiority is jeopardized as a result of our interactions
with others. For example, demands of respect, dignity and even
freedom are the product of our identification, of our ego, but they
can grow out of proportion, in which case we tend to feel offended
and react accordingly (usually with stronger impetus than the
"offense" thereby starting a vicious cycle).
Super-ego, instead is the product of our left-side activities, our
desires (particularly when they are not met), our seeking behavior
which results in conditionings of all types (family, education,
religion, social norms etc.). We accumulate all these conditionings
since birth because of our innate desire to learn and evolve. To the
extreme, our super-ego results in our being subject to others' will
(others' egos, or domineering instincts). See for example the cases
of some many poor souls ending up annihilated by bloated egos of
political (Hitler-types), social (deviant parents) or religious
(false gurus, cults etc.) nature.
Fear and shame, which you mention in your message, can be the result
of both, either of a strong ego which is being challenged or offended
or of a strong super0-ego which is being dominated or oppressed.
They are also, by the way, the direct consequences of a restricted
heart chakra, but this is another story.
The main point is that it's pretty difficult to confuse ego and
super-ego-based behavior. Can you confuse sadistic with masochistic
tendencies ? They are quite the opposite, aren't they (even if they
can appear in the same subject at different point in time).
Also, and here I stop, these ideas are by all means not the product
of my mind (or anyone else's). This is not theory, it is the simple,
factual product of physical sensations of an awakened being. When
kundalini awakens, you physically feel your own and anybody else's
ego and super-ego respectively in the left and the right side of your
brain. If you meet an aggressive, egoistical character, your head
start itching or catching (or even hurting, in the worst cases) on
the left-side. The opposite happens when you meet a subdued,
depressed character.
This reminds me to ask a question to all the list members:
how many of you K-enthusiasts and seekers of spiritual evolution are
able to rise your kundalini at will ? Can you bring it up to the
Sahasrara and feel the bliss and silence of Yoga (union between your
Atma and the Divine) in thoughtless awareness ?
All those of you who can, should have a direct confirmation of what
I'm talking about. They should be able to feel the conditions of
their own and everybody else's chakras, nadis, ego, super-ego etc. on
their own central nervous system, on their hands, their head and so
on.
Please, let me know if or to what extent this is true.
Thanks,
===============================
Maurizio Zollo
Management Dept.
The Wharton School
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA - 19104
Tel. (215) 898-1232
Fax: (215) 898-0401
===============================
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:45:45
From: gawain <gawain1ATnospamix.netcom.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The pattern, merkaba warning.
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My apologies for the age of this.. I am going through my mailboxes
discovering posts intended for the list, that only reached me. ..and
redirecting back to the list where they belong.
Blessings, List Mystress.
Hi,
> I recently did a ritual to dismantle my merkaba. I'm glad it's gone.
Really?
There are some schools of thought that state that your merkaba is the
deathless solar body that must be weaved inorder to travel beyond this
world. Forcing heaven by storm may mean the attempt to construct a merkaba
without Light, and this has been attempted by the dark shirts because the
merkaba is such a prized vehicle.
I just think it is important for us "students" out there to realize that
our solar light bodies may be a good thing. For people other than
Angelique I suggest serious comtemplation before you dismantle something
that you have been working on with sweat and tears for so many long lifetimes.
Angelique, this is just my humble opinion and I admit that I may be in
error. I believe each person must decide for him/herself what tools and
garmants are required for our future travels. I posted this reflection of
mine in order to provide a balanced viewpoint, turning the coin over so to
speak so everyone can see both sides and make their own informed decisions.
I Bow To the Light (always),
Gawain
http://www.inlink.com/~gawain
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:37:31 -0400
From: brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com (brenda asterino)
To: zolloATnospammgmt1.wharton.upenn.edu (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ego
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Maurizio,
There are many areas below that in specific sentences I would agree with
you. And even in the feeling of the others... of all the things you
stated.... I would differ in that my perspective says that to fight
something... anything... is to hold it close to you. The more time I spend
on defining something... the closer I am holding it. I choose not to do
that. In my case, it has been counterproductive to my development. I
don't look at these things anymore. Writing this letter will be the most I
time I have spent in ages... I do better if I turn from this. It reduces
conflict within myself (which is ego or superego or whatever definition one
wants to give it)...which allows me to feel the God things easier.
When I have spent great time in these conversationsas a younger person it
appeared to me that my efforts were a sort of intellectual masturbation...
To be wordless and without definitions at times has helped me to .... expand
my hologram.... so to speak.
This is not to negate what you are saying or doing... but to share another
perspective.
Love
Brenda
At 04:33 PM 6/26/97, you wrote:
>Thanks to Lobster, Ken and Brenda for the kind words on my posting.
>Hope my own ego won't blow up as a result....
>
>Apart from jokes, Ken had some serious and deep questions which I may
>try my best in answering.
>
>> It seems to me that left-right hemispheres are differentiated by lexical vrs
>> imagery-olfactory-auditory; reductionistic vrs wholistic;
>> emotions such as interest and frustration, vrs joy, shame, and emotions of
>> the heart.
>>
>> Couldn't ego and superego reside in either hemisphere depending on modality
>> of representation?
>>
>>
>> You are right again.
>> Shame and fear do the hindering.
>> How are these be manifest as ego or superego?
>>
>
>There is a very clear distinction, at least at the experiential level
>(perhaps not in psychology theories) between the activities and
>consequences of the ego and the super-ego. The former is the result
>of aggressive, futuristic, self-centered types of activities, it is
>fed by our feeling of superiority, and by our reactions when the
>sense of superiority is jeopardized as a result of our interactions
>with others. For example, demands of respect, dignity and even
>freedom are the product of our identification, of our ego, but they
>can grow out of proportion, in which case we tend to feel offended
>and react accordingly (usually with stronger impetus than the
>"offense" thereby starting a vicious cycle).
>Super-ego, instead is the product of our left-side activities, our
>desires (particularly when they are not met), our seeking behavior
>which results in conditionings of all types (family, education,
>religion, social norms etc.). We accumulate all these conditionings
>since birth because of our innate desire to learn and evolve. To the
>extreme, our super-ego results in our being subject to others' will
>(others' egos, or domineering instincts). See for example the cases
>of some many poor souls ending up annihilated by bloated egos of
>political (Hitler-types), social (deviant parents) or religious
>(false gurus, cults etc.) nature.
>
>Fear and shame, which you mention in your message, can be the result
>of both, either of a strong ego which is being challenged or offended
>or of a strong super0-ego which is being dominated or oppressed.
>They are also, by the way, the direct consequences of a restricted
>heart chakra, but this is another story.
>
>The main point is that it's pretty difficult to confuse ego and
>super-ego-based behavior. Can you confuse sadistic with masochistic
>tendencies ? They are quite the opposite, aren't they (even if they
>can appear in the same subject at different point in time).
>
>Also, and here I stop, these ideas are by all means not the product
>of my mind (or anyone else's). This is not theory, it is the simple,
>factual product of physical sensations of an awakened being. When
>kundalini awakens, you physically feel your own and anybody else's
>ego and super-ego respectively in the left and the right side of your
>brain. If you meet an aggressive, egoistical character, your head
>start itching or catching (or even hurting, in the worst cases) on
>the left-side. The opposite happens when you meet a subdued,
>depressed character.
>
>This reminds me to ask a question to all the list members:
>how many of you K-enthusiasts and seekers of spiritual evolution are
>able to rise your kundalini at will ? Can you bring it up to the
>Sahasrara and feel the bliss and silence of Yoga (union between your
>Atma and the Divine) in thoughtless awareness ?
>
>All those of you who can, should have a direct confirmation of what
>I'm talking about. They should be able to feel the conditions of
>their own and everybody else's chakras, nadis, ego, super-ego etc. on
>their own central nervous system, on their hands, their head and so
>on.
>
>Please, let me know if or to what extent this is true.
>Thanks,
>
>===============================
>Maurizio Zollo
>Management Dept.
>The Wharton School
>University of Pennsylvania
>Philadelphia, PA - 19104
>Tel. (215) 898-1232
>Fax: (215) 898-0401
>===============================
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:41:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: reiki class
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---Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com> wrote:and then Steve Elsner
<selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu> wrote:
i would love it if you guys did not go off list to talk about this
stuff. i am enjoying the conversation.
blessings,
susan
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:44:08 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: K+cancer
Message-ID: <33B31AE8.386FATnospammail.snet.net>
cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net wrote:
> What is the reason and mechanism
> underlying cancer , from your perspective?
> It is often said that as kundalini rises that often health improves, I wonder
> what the effect of K- energy releases is on cancer.
On a physical level cancer is the result of immune
system failure.
We get cancer every day.
Every day our immune system promptly destroys cancer cells
before it ever becomes a problem.
>From this perspective I would surmise Kundalini, graciously accepted
would be beneficial to the immune system.
Emotionally cleansing also.
Balanced emotional state enhances immune response.
The key is, is Kundalini accepted?
If it is resisted, this resistance would tax
the immune/emotional system.
Once again, we're back to
go with the flow.
David.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:00:21 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: Ego
Message-ID: <33B31EB5.70E4ATnospammail.snet.net>
Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
> The body, senses, mind,
> intellect and the ego are all tools to help realise the soul or atman.
>
I resonate with this.
The purpose of the dream is that it is
a tool to help us awaken from it.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:05:47 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Rachel A Summers <mystress1ATnospamjuno.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dream
Message-ID: <33B2935A.C26ATnospamintercomm.com>
Rachel A Summers wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> In the past 4 days I have had 2 disturbing dreams. I know this isn't
> about Kundalini but please bare with me.
>
> I usually dont have bad dreams at all but on early Monday morning I
> dreamed that someone close to me named George - now I dont know any
> George in real life- was dying. I was at the hospital with him. I
> remember telling him he wasn't going to go through this alone. I then,
> for some odd reason left for about 1 hour. When I came back he had died.
> I awoke soon after and was very upset. I even had a few tears fall.
>
> The second dream took place early this morning. This dream was about my
> 5 year old daughter. I dreamed that she was missing for about 5 days and
> then turned up dead. Now you can imagine this is upsetting. I love her
> immensly and never want anything to happen to her.
>
> Can anybody give me any help on this. I dont usually have bad dreams but
> have been known to have a few psychic dreams and experiences.
>
> Thanks
>
> Maryann
> Mystress1ATnospamjuno.com
Maryann,
These kind of dreams usually connect up to something you are going
through in your day to day life. Does George represent someone or
something that is changing in your life? Something you are atttached to,
if this doesn't fit then look at the people in your life, is he symbolic
to you? The next way to see it is he your shadow? Is it a past life
memory? And, or is there something significant to the name?Also if it is
just fear working through the solar plexus is there more to the dream
that is connected to something or someone leaving your life.
Your child's death doesn't have to mean your child, it can be symbolic
of something in life that is yours that is like a child to you. It can
also be representive of your fear, and anxiety about her, does this
fit?:
And, it can also represent a death of self, both dreams are connecd to
death which can mean the male/female aspects of self are breaking down,
one an older aspect of your male self, and the child is usually
representing an attack on your inner child. These are always connected
and very meaningful but you have to decode your own dream formula. If I
were with you for an hour we would bring it down but this is something
you will have to meditate on and ask to connect up your dreams into your
dreams language. Remember you know exactly what it means, it is your
dream. And you create the way it is experienced, if you don't get it
now, it will reappear in another form. Gloria
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:51:01
From: "Rhavy Davidrajuh" <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the LAKE !!!
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> From: TPp40ATnospamaol.com
> Subject: Re: Risposta: the LAKE !!!
> Date: 26 June 1997 05:15
>
> Shadow, sorry that you don't share the sence that there is something out
> there and in ourselfs that directs our actions. I have seen too many
people
> who can not figure out what is going on with their lives yet they
maintain
> the same desrtuctive cycles.............
> ..............................
> Thoughts
> TPp40
Hi TPp40 (I like this name),
I agree. There is something out there. Also, there is something inside
here. But what are they? Gods, souls, demons, ghosts, Satan, Karma,
...................//.................. LAKE, LOTUS, LOBSTER, and so on.
Regards,
Shadow.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:51:37
From: "Rhavy Davidrajuh" <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Joy
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> From: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net
> Subject: Re: Joy
> Date: 26 June 1997 04:57
>
> Bless you shadow, and I pray for you ( that one day Shakti may appear to
you,
> and burn your ass too )...
Dear Sir/Madam,
SHAKTI never burns. It is her husband, SHIVA who burns and destroys. Thanks
anyway, for the warning. I will keep a bucket of water.
Blessings to you too,
- Shadow
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:21:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re:ego and love
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i am following these threads trying my best to understand them. i
sometimes get lost trying to follow the k-heads as they speak from
their intellectual center. will some of you please define your terms,
'ego' and 'love'? a demanding teacher once told me that if i could not
explain my terms to a five year old then i really did not understand
them myself.
ego: me first
love: me first (i am still working on this one)
blessings,
susan
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:28:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Elsner <selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu>
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
cc: stevieATnospamthepentagon.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, joemillerATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: reiki class
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On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Gloria Greco wrote:
> when you speak of ki are you also referring to Ain Sof Ore, or limitless
> light? Gloria
Ki is basically universal life energy. The best description I can
give is that it's like the Force in Star Wars :-)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:32:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: reiki symbols
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for those of you who inquired where i saw the reiki symbols on the web,
here is the site www.members.aol.com/reikiteach/
for the site where i received my "surrogate attunement" is
www.crl.com/david/reiki/symbols.htm (there was no intentional or
directed contact with a reiki master).
btw, i must say i am getting really sensitive to energy transfer thru
the web. some of your posts are so "juiced" up with k it makes my
head spin.
an admitted k junkie,
susan
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:45:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: REIKI/ Lightning:odd experiences
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---cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net wrote:
>
> Yes I have seen "Powder", and was very impressed. Wow , that's quite
an
> experience you are having. Sounds like you received the reiki
initiation(s),
> by surrogate means. One of my questions to you is ,have you had any
change in
> the sensations in your hands, any increase is heat, itchiness, or an
almost
> magnetic pull to ailing areas on your own body, or those of others?
>
thank you for your kind response. my hands have always been very
hot, like hot packs. my body too is always hot and it is
disconcerting to my friends because i can fog up their whole car in
less than 5 minutes even while my breathing is kept very shallow. i
have been working with people to heal them and my hands begin to itch
whenever someone near me needs a healing. i also can feel their pain
sympathetically.
Also, somewhere in the Alice Bailey works, at the moment, I'me not
sure
> where, there are some interesting statements about the nature of
"Electrical
> fire" and how fundamental it is to creation. If you are interested
I'll look up
> referrences for you.
no, i am not familiar with these references. i would appreciate having
them. no reason to rush.
> Thirdly, the Lakota medicine people say that dreaming or being
in synch
> with the thunder beings, or lightning beings, is a sign of contrary
nature
> (Heyoka) consciousness.
please explain more fully heyoka consciousness.
i am grateful,
susan
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