1997/06/24 17:48
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #287
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 287
Today's Topics:
Re: Love
Re: Love
Risposta: Ego
Re: Risposta: Ego
Re: Love
Re: Risposta: Ego
Tackyonisation....
Re: Risposta: Ego
Re: Tackyonisation....
Ego
Re: Risposta: Ego
Ego
Love
re: Ego
Re: Love
A Fish Story.(long)
Re: Risposta: Ego
Re: Risposta: the LAKE !!!
Re: Lake
Something contraversial.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:05:59 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
To: Stephane Marconi <marconiATnospamschp5.unige.ch>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Love
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On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Stephane Marconi wrote:
> why are you equating love with specialness?
>
> stefan.
When you extend Love to all life ,it changes to pure mathematical
Justice and fairness nothing more , as it is Love represents specialness
ram
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Date: 24 Jun 97 13:01:03
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Love
Message-Id: <9706241202.AA9150ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
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>>On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Stephane Marconi wrote:
>>
>> why are you equating love with specialness?
>>
>> stefan.
> When you extend Love to all life ,it changes to pure mathematical
>Justice and fairness nothing more , as it is Love represents specialness
> ram
Beg to disagree Ram. If you extend something worldly (like gravity) then it can
get "thinned out" but extending love only makes it more intense. Love does
not get diffused or "mathematical" when extended. This is what the Hindu
philosiphy states. The ultimate manifestation of Love is towards all entities
in
the Universe - Universal Love.......
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: 24 Jun 97 13:25:21
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Risposta: Ego
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---- ram wrote....
> Ego can be bad or good but all egoes are beautiful.
> Bad ego is like a dry limb of the tree, sooner or later it will ....
------------------
All ego is bad... there is no good ego. There is no good "ahankara". All
"ahankara" is bad.
All that is bad in the universe arises out of the "ahankara". All devotion,
bhakti, karma, gyana
is to remove this ahankara......
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:29:01 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamais01.ais.it>
Cc: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>,
kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: Ego
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In message <9706241228.AA9177ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>, Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT
<Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it> writes
>---- ram wrote....
>
>> Ego can be bad or good but all egoes are beautiful.
>> Bad ego is like a dry limb of the tree, sooner or later it will ....
>
>------------------
>
>
>All ego is bad... there is no good ego. There is no good "ahankara". All
>"ahankara" is bad.
>All that is bad in the universe arises out of the "ahankara". All devotion,
>bhakti, karma, gyana
>is to remove this ahankara......
>
>Cheers and love to all
>Ashanka
>
ego is spiritual darkness -
Buddhist definition as the three poisons - greed, hatred and ignorance
the purpose of all spiritual practice is to uproot these three poisons
kundalini brings crises so often because we are unable to acknowledge
the need for our ego to die at the deepest levels
regards
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:21:15 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
To: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Love
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On 24 Jun 1997, Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
> >>On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Stephane Marconi wrote:
> >>
> >> why are you equating love with specialness?
> >>
> >> stefan.
> > When you extend Love to all life ,it changes to pure mathematical
> >Justice and fairness nothing more , as it is Love represents specialness
> > ram
>
> Beg to disagree Ram. If you extend something worldly (like gravity) then it can
> get "thinned out" but extending love only makes it more intense. Love does
> not get diffused or "mathematical" when extended. This is what the Hindu
> philosiphy states. The ultimate manifestation of Love is towards all entities
> in
> the Universe - Universal Love.......
>
> Cheers and love to all
> Ashanka
>
>
All the world all the time tells me what you wrote above. I have
meditated and meditated and every time my progress stopped when I
meditated on "thought of love". In return "thought of love" gave me bliss
and hapiness but REALTITY moved nearer extremely slowly.
Whenever I meditated on NO-THOUGHT, I got pain , tears and mostly
unhappiness but I could see my old karmas dissolving at faster rate.May
be the movement towards REALITY was 100 to 1.
Let me see where this ends, five years of pain have already passed.
Well cheers and compassion to all.
ram
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:27:42 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
To: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: Ego
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On 24 Jun 1997, Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
> ---- ram wrote....
>
> > Ego can be bad or good but all egoes are beautiful.
> > Bad ego is like a dry limb of the tree, sooner or later it will ....
>
> ------------------
>
>
> All ego is bad... there is no good ego. There is no good "ahankara". All
> "ahankara" is bad.
> All that is bad in the universe arises out of the "ahankara". All devotion,
> bhakti, karma, gyana
> is to remove this ahankara......
>
> Cheers and love to all
> Ashanka
>
Well said Ashanka . You are with majority and i am in minority,
I still feel with "ahankara" will one learn the lessons of UNITY faster.
So Ego is better than the feeling of "I am That" which slows down the
process of evolution.
ram>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:53:57 +-100
From: Matthew King <mkingATnospamaxe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Tackyonisation....
Message-ID: <01BC80A6.125DE0C0ATnospamearn.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com>
Hi All,
I came across Tackyonisation accidentally on the web and wondered if anyone had any experience with it. If you haven't check this link out : http://www.tachyon-energy.com/welcome.htm
It sounds a bit too good to be true(but then again, so does Kundalini to the uneducated :) ) I am thinking of buying some products and would welcome any comments regarding this "Science".
I hope you are all well...
Matt K
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:39:41 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Cc: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamais01.ais.it>,
kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: Ego
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On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Tom Aston wrote:
> In message <9706241228.AA9177ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>, Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT
> <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it> writes
> >---- ram wrote....
> >
> >> Ego can be bad or good but all egoes are beautiful.
> >> Bad ego is like a dry limb of the tree, sooner or later it will ....
> >
> >------------------
> >
> >
> >All ego is bad... there is no good ego. There is no good "ahankara". All
> >"ahankara" is bad.
> >All that is bad in the universe arises out of the "ahankara". All devotion,
> >bhakti, karma, gyana
> >is to remove this ahankara......
> >
> >Cheers and love to all
> >Ashanka
> >
> ego is spiritual darkness -
>
Only when ego has grown to some level , it gives the wisdom to search for
TRUTH. It takes many lives for life to grow ego to sufficient high level
to give swings of pain and joy , for you to get out of it.
> Buddhist definition as the three poisons - greed, hatred and ignorance
>
> the purpose of all spiritual practice is to uproot these three poisons
>
> kundalini brings crises so often because we are unable to acknowledge
> the need for our ego to die at the deepest levels
>
> regards
>
> Yogi Tom
>
> --
> Tom Aston
>
>Ego never dies . It is Ego that transceds towards higher evolution. The
greater the Ego greater will the evolution benefit and greater will be
the rewards for the soul carrying it. Birth by birth this soul of greater
ego will be rewarded with Kingdoms Riches etc till the soul purifies the
Ego towards Unity.
ram
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: sallyATnospamwavenet.com
To: Matthew King <mkingATnospamaxe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com>,
"'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Tackyonisation....
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Hello Everyone!
My name is Sally, I have been lurking for quite a while now and I do have to
say I love this list and all the wonderful people, advice, knowledge....
I wanted to comment on Tachyon products. I first met someone who wore a
pendant about a year ago and swore by it, said it changed his life. I went
to the Whole Life Expo about a month ago and bought a pendant. I can say
for myself that it has worked. It acts like an antenna that strengthens and
cleanses my aura and physical body. I went through about a 2 week cleansing
period where blockages were disapated, old memories resurfaced and were
released. I work around computers all day and have been concerned about
EMF's. I would always get tired at the end of the day. Wearing the pendant
has changed that for me. I do not get tired anymore in the afternoons. I
have a friend who can see auras and he said mine has drastically changed.
I do have to say it may not be for everyone. I had been detoxing myself for
some time before I purchased the pendant and for me I feel it has been part
of my detox process. I also had some knowledge about how and why it works
which probably helped open me up to the changes the tachyon brought about.
I would love to hear others input about tachyons.
Love to All,
Sally
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:12:40 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: YogiATnospamvsnl.net.in
Subject: Ego
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Yes we see that this world humanity is full of Ahankar. And this
ahankar has been source of lots of mischief.
That is why all religious books and philosphies talk negative of
ahankar.
But here on K-list we are dealing with different type of persons.
The movement of K-energy already indicates strong ego. They have already
started on the path of Unity. Some of them have walked on the path of
self realisation long enough.
Some of them have experienced short time Self - Realisation.
Three years back I also went thro a phase which gave me many
indications that I have become Self -realised.But I did not sit back and
went on meditating for hours everyday as because Ifelt that my
self-realisation is very weak. Not like that of Guatam Buddha nor like
even Rajnesh, whom I had met when he was alive.
Even Guatam Buddha said that there is difference between Him and
all the Arahants thou all are self realised.
What is that difference?
IT IS THE SIZE OF TRANSCEDED EGO THAT MADE THIS DIFFERENCE.
ram
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:43:24 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Cc: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamais01.ais.it>,
Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>,
kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: Ego
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At 01:29 PM 6/24/97 +0100, Tom Aston wrote:
>>All ego is bad... there is no good ego.
<snip>
>>Cheers and love to all
>>Ashanka
>>
>ego is spiritual darkness -
>
>Buddhist definition as the three poisons - greed, hatred and ignorance
>
>the purpose of all spiritual practice is to uproot these three poisons
>
>kundalini brings crises so often because we are unable to acknowledge
>the need for our ego to die at the deepest levels
>
>regards
>
>Yogi Tom
Dear Tom and Ashanka,
It seems to me that we might need to define what is meant by ego.
Ashanka, you say "All ego is bad... there is no good ego."
And, Tom, you say ego is spiritual darkness.
Are you referring to that aspect of personality that is entirely
self-focused? Perhaps you are thinking of egocentricity?
Ego in psychoanalysis is the division of the psyche that is conscious, most
immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with
external reality. Other functions include thought, learning, reasoning, and
all other activities necessary to interact with the world.
The most common concepts of ego suggest it is that part of the self which is
conscious and cognizant of perception and thought.
If we lacked consciousness would we be truly spiritual?
I must agree with Ram when he said:
>I love EGO.
>Ego can be bad or good but all egoes are beautiful.
>Ego is like a tree, bigger it is , greater fruit will it bring for God of
>Evolution.
I agree with you Tom and Ashanka that when the ego develops scripts of
greed, hate, and remains in ignorance, it blocks the way to love and
spirituality. But what part of the self is it that is doing the loving and
seeking spirituality? I suggest that it is also the ego; but focusing
outward instead of inward.
Ken
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:35:59 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Ego
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More than two thousand years back 500 arhants collected and wrote
down Guatam Buddha "s teachings , which were written down on stone in
Burma in Pali language. They give following figures for size of ego for
various realisations.
1..Viriyadhika Buddha..16 asankhayas and 100,000 kappas.
2..Saddhahika Buddha... 8 -do- and 100,000 kappas.
3..Pannadhika Buddha... 4 asankhayas and 100,000 kappas.
4..Pacceka Buddha...... 2 asankhayas and 100.000 kappas.
5..Agga savaka......... 1 -do- and -do- .
6..Maha savaka......... 100,000 kappas.
7. Arahants............100 - 1000 kappas.
Viriya means effort.
Saddha is faith.
Panna is Wisdom
Pacca is one who can not teach, as he just got there.
Agga savaka is chief disciple of living Buddha.
Maha savaka is leading -do- .
Arahant is self realised due to compassion of living Buddha.
When one is self-realised all his ego is transceded to higher plane
but because he is living a human life he will lose this self-
realisation after some time. He collects further ego and that can
transced to higher plane till some critical quantity is achieved
for further transceding and still higher self realisation.
I ofcourse do not know what figure asankhaya or kappa
represents. Some body can clarify this figure.
ram
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:55:26 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Love
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Thsi extract is from "voice of Silence" published by theosophists.
ARYA PATH
On this path nought but the darkness meets the weary pligrim,
where torn by thorns the hands drip blood, the fet are cut by sharp,
unyielding flints and Mara wields his strongest arms_ there lies a great
reward immediately beyond.
Calm and unmoved the pilgrim glidth up the stream that to Nirvana
leads. He knows that the more his fet will bleed, the whiter will himself
be washed
Such is the Dhayana path....
Klesha and tanha is destroyed for ever after he crosses Arahanta path
Compassion ...law of laws on the further path carries him to
Buddha of perfection.
Compassion must not be regarded in the same light as "God of
Divine love" of the Theists. Compassion stands for abstract, impersonal law,
whose nature being absolute harmony, is thrown into confusion by discord,
suffering and sin.
ram
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:01:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: Ego
Message-Id: <199706241801.NAA11553ATnospamdfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com>
It does seem to me that a lot of folks get into trouble because they
try to transcend their egos before they really have them. Holly
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:34:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: FervidElanATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love
Message-ID: <970624173425_-1797440018ATnospamemout18.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-06-24 16:09:37 EDT, you write:
<< > Beg to disagree Ram. If you extend something worldly (like gravity) then
it can
> get "thinned out" but extending love only makes it more intense. Love does
> not get diffused or "mathematical" when extended. This is what the Hindu
> philosiphy states. The ultimate manifestation of Love is towards all
entities
> in
> the Universe - Universal Love....... >>
With this I somewhat agree... it's when you make it known that you love
everything...
it kind of devalues what people think of your love... only because the term
has
become so well used to you that telling someone "i love you" doesn't mean
much. Because you are no longer singling that person out but including them
in a love you have for everyone. Therefore... to use the term love would
greatly
dismay your feelings towards a certain person. When you tell someone you
love them.. you are saying that they hold a certain place in your heart that
no other does.
Forgive me if I have offended anyone...
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:32:12
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A Fish Story.(long)
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Hello:
It has been on my mind lately, here and there and for this reason and for
that reason, to storytell a story of a woman and a fish.
Once there was a woman, (and that woman was me) who went to a personal
development course to further chart her path in life and take a look at
some things that were not working and why. One of the things that was not
working was her prosperity and happiness level. Her self esteem sucked, and
because of that low sense of self love she tended to attract bad events,
which made her feel even worse, which attracted more bad events..... each
time it got harder to pick up the bits of faith and start again.
Feeling stuck, she attended the course thru a mercy loan from a friend.
At this course, she learned to call a 'round and round like a rat in a
cage' pattern like that a "negative effect cycle". So she spotted the cycle
and knew from long ago that she 'attracts that which occurs', but
recognizing that she had the cycle only made her feel worse. She inwardly
browbeat herself for having the negative cycle and low self esteem in the
first place. It was something she considered herself "too spiritually
evolved" to have in her head.
Fortunately she realized what she was doing... the in-effectiveness of
continuing that thread of thought. It was simply more of the same cycle.
Shit! Feeling a bit trapped by her own mental behavior, she put up her hand
and when the microphone was brought to her, she stood and related to the
150 or so gathered in the room, the stuck place she was in. Then she sat
down and gave the mic. back.
The facilitator smiled, and related back to her an approximation of what
she had said, to be sure he and everyone had understood her clearly. He was
a sweet, wise, witty and wonderful fella by the name of Jim Sorenson.
Then he told a story about a fish.
A beautiful sleek, fat Northern Pike, predator fish of the cold northern
Canadian lakes. It looks like an alligator with fins, one quarter of it's
body is head, jaws and sharp teeth.. the rest fins and a body built for
speed, dark dappled green to hide it from unwary prey. No brain at all,
hardly. An almost purely instinctive creature.
This fish had not gotten away... it had been caught live, and was being
used in an experiment by a place of science that was studying the behavior
of fish.
They put it in a wide roomy tank, and dumped in lots of live minnows.
They watched as this fish -Zoomm- scooped up the minnows and ate them like
nothing. Swam straight at them and scooped them up un it's huge jaws,
swallowing them live while zooming after the next one. Nature's creature in
it's element, doing what it was meant to do.
The scientists took notes and made films of the speed of it, and it's
lunges at the minnows, and how it seemed to keep on eating as many minnows
as they put in the tank.
The more minnows it ate, the more energy it had to catch and eat minnows.
The Pike thrived. The experiment continued.
The scientists let the Pike eat all of the minnows in the tank. Then they
placed in the tank a tall cylinder of bulletproof plexiglass, taller than
the depth of the tank, and put the minnows inside of the cylinder.
The Pike saw the minnows and zoom- the famous lunge towards the bait that
has made it such a popular sporting fish.... WHAM!! as the Pike bounced off
the bulletproof glass...
The Pike seemed to give it's head a shake, and went after the minnows
again, a speedy lunge, and another reverberating recoil as the great fish
bounced off the transparent barrier between it and it's proper food. Again
and again it lunged, a kamikaze fish in it's lack of understanding the
simple barrier that blocked it. It's nose grew ragged, still it bravely
went after the minnows, half stunned by it's own efforts, bashed senseless
against the plexiglass, it still continued going after it's prey.
After days of struggle the tired hurt fish circled the invisible barrier,
only occasionally becoming desperate enough to try to get the minnows
again. Finally, it ignored the minnows altogether, swimming aimlessly
around the tank.
This was the point of the experiment the scientists were most interested
in. They removed the cylinder, and dumped in tons of minnows. They made
videos and took notes as the Pike continued to ignore the minnows. It's
instincts had been broken. It starved to death in that tank, surrounded by
schools of it's favorite food swimming freely within reach of the big sharp
jaws that nature had given it to survive.
**********************
Hearing this story made me angry.
ANGRY!!
Red and white hot rage filled my body, outrage that someone would dare to
take this beautiful sleek creature of Goddess, and treat it so badly!
What a horrible thing to do to a fish!!
I have caught Northern Pike and eaten them, as a child, that is why I
know them so well, and I was OUTRAGED that someone would take such a
gorgeous wild living creature and so turn it against it's instincts that it
starved to death in the midst of plenty...
That last thought for some reason gave me pause.. it rang oddly in my mind.
.. and there was the still, small voice that observes, and it said to me
ironically, "why are you so upset about it?"
And my jaw dropped open in a light dawning on a whole big realization
that I WAS the fish. Holy Shit!! My rage evaporated in an awe of
compassion for my own wild instinctual self, so bent out of shape by life
events I wouldn't dare eat a minnow if it bit me on the nose.
The laughter and tears came that are the mark of real truth, and
understanding of truth...
I was the creature that had been so turned against it's instincts that it
starved in the midst of plenty... I had bashed myself bloody against glass
cylinders long ago, trying to fulfill my needs... and the barriers were
long gone, except in my mind.
The negative effect cycle, of self criticism and failure, my instincts
turned inside out by my formative life experiences. These were the shadow
memories of the hard plexiglass walls of my past.
I felt a huge wave of love and forgiveness for all of my failures, missed
opportunities and self sabotage strategies. Understanding.
Remembered frustration turned to wisdom as I realized love for my inner
fish... and that I am not a fish.. I could regain my instincts. Learn to
recognize the barriers of my remembered pain, and patiently learn to
dissolve them, one by one. I knew it would be like learning to walk over
again, I might fall 1000 times before I got anywhere.
I knew I would need something to hang onto to remind me to forgive
myself, to be gentle everytime I fell into the downward spiral of self
criticism and worry that had been my programming.
I chose a memory of my anger at the unjust treatment of the fish, a
mantra against self criticism: "What a terrible thing to do to a fish!".
My inner fish asking for mercy, to be rehabilitated and treated with
kindness.
That was years ago, and I did fall down a lot more than 1000 times,
sometimes I still do fall into the self judgement, criticism and worry
trap. The mantra, repeated so many times over years gradually softened into
a reminder: "Be kind to the fish".
There is a beautiful, strong sleek Northern Pike in my mind, and it swims
free in a clear mountain lake, and Goddess provides all of the minnows it's
wide jaws can lunge and snatch. And it does eat up the minnows with speed
and grace, as Goddess intended for it to do. And if sometimes, across it's
dim fishy memories there is a flash of fear in the minnow's sparkle, as if
hard invisible barrier lay between it and it's dinner, the next flash of
sunlight will show the minnow clearer, and the old memory of pain will not
hinder the fish from it's meal.
This story is dedicated to a Northern Pike that died for science, and so
that one insecure witch could finally learn to see the phantom plexiglass
fear barriers conditioned into her own life, keeping her from accessing
Goddess' abundance.
I honor it's power, it was a wise teacher, that fish, and I hope that
it's memory will help those others who have had their instincts distorted
by circumstance, to learn to be kind to their own inner fish, and reawaken
it's instincts patiently and with love.
Blessings, Angelique.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:57:12 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Risposta: Ego
Message-ID: <19970624.185715.3238.8.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
>---- ram wrote....
>
>> Ego can be bad or good but all egoes are beautiful.
>> Bad ego is like a dry limb of the tree, sooner or later it will ....
>
Ashanka wrote....
>All ego is bad... there is no good ego. There is no good "ahankara".
>All >"ahankara" is bad. >All that is bad in the universe arises out of
the "ahankara". All >devotion, >bhakti, karma, gyana>is to remove this
ahankara......
>
**There is no good OR bad ego or good or bad anything....... only your
perception and/or judgement that it is good or bad......
**Please Note: This is merely my perception
Love,
The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly xxxtg
"My mother's obsession with the good scissors always scared me a bit --
it implied that somewhere in the house lurked 'the evil scissors'....."
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:35:39
From: "Rhavy Davidrajuh" <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Risposta: the LAKE !!!
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Sen Ashanka wrote
> Subject: Risposta: the LAKE !!!
> Date: 24 June 1997 12:53
>
> ......The karmic law states that we get out bit of punishment / rewards
for
> out own deeds and nothing else. So logically there would be no mixing in
the
> LAKE soup.
> ...
Hi Ashanka,
I think it is time they start treating people as mature adults and stop
frightening them with horror stories such as heven, hell, karma and so on.
There is no punishment. Sin is moral vandalism like drilling a hole in a
boat you are travelling in. It is not just the others who are at risk. When
the boat sinks it will take evrybody with it including yourself.
I know, it would be nice if people have to pay for their crimes. But in
reality it does not happen. I do not beleive in Karma.....
Regards,
SHADOW
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:36:11
From: "Rhavy Davidrajuh" <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lake
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Sunil R Peswani wrote:
>
> All animal souls are in a pool of lake.
> When a foetus is formed in mother"s womb, and an old human soul
> is not ready for rebirth, than this place is filled by astral energy from
> this pool for evolution.
> Human soul retains his indivituality birth by birth till it
> learns higher lessons of evolution of Unity by SERVICE and SACRIFICE.
> It starts with all the animal instincts of SURVIVAL and SELFISHNESS
> and has to change to UNITY.
> Again this goes in another LAKE which is called BUDDHIC plane.
> This is what Hindu and Bhuddhic philosophies say.
> ram
Hi Sunil,
We are Animals. Evolution of Unity by SERVICE and SACRIFICE is not
something just human. Many species of animals are evolving towards a state
of Group living, and sharing resources. While humans are evolving backwards
to a state of selfishness.
Regards,
Shadow
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:35:07
From: "Rhavy Davidrajuh" <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Something contraversial.
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Hi,
This is not really my theory ( or belief ).
Most animals evolved from humans.
Other animals and birds evolved from Snakes.
All the Plants evolved from Apple trees.
Regards,
Shadow.
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