1997/06/18 22:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #279
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 279
Today's Topics:
Re: Honestly . . .
Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Sky diving
Calling planet Lobster
Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Conservative Lobster
Re: K and yoga
Re: Conservative Lobster
RE: kundalini-l-d
RE: kundalini-l-d Digest
Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Re: awareness vs. thought
Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:55:59 -0400
From: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com
To: vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Honestly . . .
Message-ID: <19970618.003914.3222.19.esberk1ATnospamjuno.com>
Hi... it is me again.
Failure...did some mention failure. Well Ken.... I think you
are an ascended master!!!!! Sometimes I really think that there
is one gene in every family that "looks" different! We just
so not seem to match. As a matter of fact..sometimes I really
wonder if I belong to my own family.
But...what have ..we fail at??? We gave up the position of
Robothood...and began to "Reason". This is not failure...
this...is realtime Herohood!!!!! It takes all of the inner strength
imaginal to say NO to the Illusion! If we didn't live it for
awhile.... how... would we ever know what it was.
I for one have..lived the illusion. I am a FAILURE OF THE
ILLUSION and am proud to shout it to the tree tops.
I admire and affirm you my friend.
I thank you..for your mirror...in this world of insanity...
you help me to remember... that I am not insane!!
Love Doreen
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:28:23 -0700 E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> writes:
>Dear Kat and Ken,
>
>Ken McFarland wrote:
>
>> > This idealized self is not something that
>> >comes into being but something that already exists.
>
>> The idealized self that I exited for me through most of my life was
>the
>> result to the modeling and shaping of my parents, including the
>denial of
>> their own issues and the transference of them to me. I could never
>live up
>> the my existing idealized self. My failure was a powerful source of
>shame
>> and psychopathology throughout my childhood and late into my
>adulthood.
>> Perhaps one might call this product of the developmental context a
>false
>> self-ideal.
>
>You are very special Ken,
>You have realised the causation of the false self
>You are looking at ways to overcome this
>You know you have a need to be loved
>Kundalites please send Ken your thoughts, prayers and Love.
>(It seems to me that you are more able to search and find those
>qualities
>in yourself :)
>
>
>> It was not until I began to understand emotional dynamics and
>consciously
>> began choosing values, that I constructed my own new self-ideal, one
>which
>> it was possible to approach, and began to gradually overcome the
>> internalized shame that had so debilitated my life. I still have a
>long way
>> to go.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ken
>
>You have started.
>You are trying.
>We travel with you. Failure is OK :) - it is one of my hobbies :) - We
>are none of us perfect. We try our best.
>
>----
>
>and Kat wrote:
>
><< A storm rages outside. In our own experience we know how common
>the
> trials and tribulations are. Few of us have the capability to alter
>the
> external weather. We are however quite capable of altering our own
> internal processes. <<
>
>> Easier said than done. Isn't this a lot of the "journey"---
>learning how to
>do this very thing?
>
>Nobody said it would be easy. It is hard but rewarding. It is the only
>journey with the ultimate destination - where else are you going to
>go?
>
>
><<In our best scenario we are capable of improvement
> towards an idealized self. This idealized self is not something that
> comes into being but something that already exists. >>
>
>>True. I never look at life as "lessons" to be learned, but rather as
>knowledge I will remember through events that trigger that
>remembering.
>
>Life can also be more conscious than that?
>
>
>>So much of life for so many is based on delusion, but it's not
>necessarily
>something to condemn people for if they learn from those delusions. I
>think
>we all pretty much know we are imperfect. Must we necessarily beat
>ourselves
>up for that? Imperfection implies one thing....we have more to become
>aware
>of. This is life.
>>Yes, and kudos to all those who are willing to try to deal with that
>honesty
>of the soul on this planet in this time. We work hard to go forward.
>
>Love,
> Kat
>
>We do
>PEACE AND BLESSINGS TO ALL KUNDALITES
>Lobster
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:02:25 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Message-ID: <33A61A60.40C2ATnospambridge.net>
Hi Tom
Count me in on that, it is a wonderful idea/plan.
I wanted to consult you on something. I am planning to take a Reiki 1
class on the weekend, with a lady from Argentina that was recommended
by a friend of mine that at the same time she does not know her,. was
recommended by her best friend.
THis course is $150.00 is 2 days long and she gives it in her house.
How would I know if this if legit. or not, should I be asking her
something specific,I dont know much about Reiki, only that I would like
to do it....
Curious,
Lissette
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:24:37 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Sky diving
Message-ID: <33A827E5.4FATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Many people think of spirtuality as requiring a change in one's
external life. Spirtuality is internal rather than external. The need to
run about like a headless chicken, is an externalisation of this
process. If you have the peace of mind to acknowledge but not to
succumb, you will start to make genuine as opposed to "visible"
progress. The more spiritual an individual becomes, the greater their
degree of invisibility. They become very normal.
If you think a witch wears a pointed had, a guru a loincloth, and a
saint a halo or aura of sanctity, can you call yourself an adult? It is
certainly not always easy to be invisible or socially acceptable. If you
want the easy path, then by all means wear a uniform.
Do you think enlightenment and kundalini awakening only occurs to sacred
Lamas meditating in caves? Grow up. Your progress is dependent on your
desire for change. If you were once normal, then you have become a sage.
If you were once a sage, then it is time to become normal. If you are
not sure what you are then it is time to find out. My Dear Friends, keep
your head in the skies but your feet firmly but firmly on the ground.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:38:02 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Subject: Calling planet Lobster
Message-ID: <yu8pBLA6x6pzEw5eATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <33A762A3.34CCATnospamdial.pipex.com>, E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
writes
>Welcome back Tom,
>
>Tom Aston wrote:
>
>> i am still trying to work out how the British solstice compares with
>> other parts of the world...do we all have solstices on the same day ?
>> ......and if not, how to coordinate our awareness globally around the
>> solstice ? ho hum, is there a lateral thinker out there who can bend
>> their minds round time, space and the planets to tell us when is the
>> most auspicious time to coordinate our efforts ?
>
>time is irrelevant, like space - it can be done anytime but a start
>point and place can be the focus of empowerment. You can do this at any
>time or place and send thoughts to an agreed meeting.
>
ah yes, but i have found that it does no harm to cooperate and make
things easy...one could do this in the dark, or one can sit in the
sun....one could do it on the solstice or simply wait until the time
feels right....
also, there is the matter of the Earth Mother.....we need to find her
erogenous zones and tickle them......there is a relationship with the
Earth and with Nature that we need to re-establish at subconscious and
spiritual levels.....
also, given there are several major calendars - such as Chinese, Jewish,
Tibetan, Islamic etc for a blue pearl initiative to be truly global one
must somehow find ways of coordinating different notions of time.....
>
>> the only thing i would suggest is that one does this barefoot
>
>We are always barefoot even when walking on cotton and rubber
>Will you be sacrificing a chicken?
no, but i may be eating lobster.......
>
>
>Most Kind Regards
>Lobster
>
>
--
Tom Aston
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:50:34 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net
Subject: Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Message-ID: <$uoqBOAq96pzEw4sATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <M.061797.234134.56ATnospamcenturyinter.net>,
cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net writes
>Yogi Tom
> I am already working with Triangles, which in a way is exactly what you
>are describing. However , I am interested very deeply in your suggestion, and
>would be interested in working with other healers, and meditation groups as
>well.
> Lindewey mcnerneytlATnospamcenturyinter.net
>
i came across triangles a while back, but have since lost touch with
them......maybe you could tell us a bit more about their approach ?
there is obviously no intention to repeat existing networks.....i
suppose if i am little more specific, blue pearl grew out of kundalini,
both "personal" kundalini and "cosmic" Earth Mother
kundalini.....although obviously this is not intended as a purely
kundalini thing.....and well, kundalini in a sense is life itself so
there is no need to be exclusive.....does Triangles use the net ?
regards
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:27:10 -0400
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Conservative Lobster
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970618092710.0069890cATnospampeconic.net>
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Hi buddy,
have you decided to become normal. I noticed
a streak of conservatism running thru your
posts, I have it on your Teacher"s word that
you needed a change from mad Lover who
is caught in the claws of the Eagle of love,
thru the valley of knowledge, and hanging
it all out in the sea of unity where we become
part of the masses and disapear, for a while
within the mind of God.
love
Ravin' and CC
---------------------------------------------------------------
Many people think of spirtuality as requiring a change in one's
external life. Spirtuality is internal rather than external. The need to
run about like a headless chicken, is an externalisation of this
process. If you have the peace of mind to acknowledge but not to
succumb, you will start to make genuine as opposed to "visible"
progress. The more spiritual an individual becomes, the greater their
degree of invisibility. They become very normal.
If you think a witch wears a pointed had, a guru a loincloth, and a
saint a halo or aura of sanctity, can you call yourself an adult? It is
certainly not always easy to be invisible or socially acceptable. If you
want the easy path, then by all means wear a uniform.
Do you think enlightenment and kundalini awakening only occurs to sacred
Lamas meditating in caves? Grow up. Your progress is dependent on your
desire for change. If you were once normal, then you have become a sage.
If you were once a sage, then it is time to become normal. If you are
not sure what you are then it is time to find out. My Dear Friends, keep
your head in the skies but your feet firmly but firmly on the ground.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
>
>If you think a witch wears a pointed had, a guru a loincloth, and a
>saint a halo or aura of sanctity, can you call yourself an adult? It is
>certainly not always easy to be invisible or socially acceptable. If you
>want the easy path, then by all means wear a uniform.
>
>Do you think enlightenment and kundalini awakening only occurs to sacred
>Lamas meditating in caves? Grow up. Your progress is dependent on your
>desire for change. If you were once normal, then you have become a sage.
>If you were once a sage, then it is time to become normal. If you are
>not sure what you are then it is time to find out. My Dear Friends, keep
>your head in the skies but your feet firmly but firmly on the ground.
>
>Most Kind Regards
>Lobster
>
>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:16:54 -0700
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: K and yoga
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970618141651.00691f5cATnospampopd.ix.netcom.com>
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At 06:52 AM 6/17/97 -0700, susan carlson wrote:
>
>and something that is coming up over and over again in my mind: why
>is kundalini awakening. . .something as natural as childbirth. .
>.since people have been doing it forever. . .have a culture of fear
>and disease surrounding it? is this the dominant paradigm or what?
>
>curiously yours,
>
>susan
>
I have also thought about this often, because I hear a lot of people say
it's dangerous and it can't be good. There is a fear that it will destroy
you if incorrectly awakened.
Well Love of another could be looked at in the same way for one who has not
gone through the trials and tribulations. What could hurt more than a
broken heart, drag you down into the gutter and make you become sick, or
tired and lonely.
The real fear of kundalini is that people don't understand it. Everything
makes a person grow and most everything that makes you truly grow causes pain.
When one learns the true meaning of growth, pain, love, these fears cease
to exist. And failure becomes a tool.
Love
John Halonen
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:38:37 -0400
From: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com
To: wildwingsATnospampeconic.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Conservative Lobster
Message-ID: <19970618.153837.3254.5.esberk1ATnospamjuno.com>
Hi everyone
I love all of you so much........ your exponential posts
are bringing up such waves from within. Sometimes
I just sit here smitten. "Feeling" like an ancient soul...
the background of LIFE it self...seeing it self in your posts
remembering...... my soul...as it connects with yours....
OHHHHHHHHHHHHh what a "feeling"
Blessings and Salutations..........
I am finding my eternal family!!!!!!!!!
love you.....Doreen
It feels like the original is replacing the orthodox..with the
whole......... bless you!!!!!!
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:27:10 -0400 vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
writes:
>
>Hi buddy,
>have you decided to become normal. I noticed
>a streak of conservatism running thru your
>posts, I have it on your Teacher"s word that
>you needed a change from mad Lover who
>is caught in the claws of the Eagle of love,
>thru the valley of knowledge, and hanging
>it all out in the sea of unity where we become
>part of the masses and disapear, for a while
>within the mind of God.
>love
>Ravin' and CC
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>Many people think of spirtuality as requiring a change in one's
>external life. Spirtuality is internal rather than external. The need
>to
>run about like a headless chicken, is an externalisation of this
>process. If you have the peace of mind to acknowledge but not to
>succumb, you will start to make genuine as opposed to "visible"
>progress. The more spiritual an individual becomes, the greater their
>degree of invisibility. They become very normal.
>
>If you think a witch wears a pointed had, a guru a loincloth, and a
>saint a halo or aura of sanctity, can you call yourself an adult? It
>is
>certainly not always easy to be invisible or socially acceptable. If
>you
>want the easy path, then by all means wear a uniform.
>
>Do you think enlightenment and kundalini awakening only occurs to
>sacred
>Lamas meditating in caves? Grow up. Your progress is dependent on your
>desire for change. If you were once normal, then you have become a
>sage.
>If you were once a sage, then it is time to become normal. If you are
>not sure what you are then it is time to find out. My Dear Friends,
>keep
>your head in the skies but your feet firmly but firmly on the ground.
>
>Most Kind Regards
>Lobster
>
>
>>
>>If you think a witch wears a pointed had, a guru a loincloth, and a
>>saint a halo or aura of sanctity, can you call yourself an adult? It
>is
>>certainly not always easy to be invisible or socially acceptable. If
>you
>>want the easy path, then by all means wear a uniform.
>>
>>Do you think enlightenment and kundalini awakening only occurs to
>sacred
>>Lamas meditating in caves? Grow up. Your progress is dependent on
>your
>>desire for change. If you were once normal, then you have become a
>sage.
>>If you were once a sage, then it is time to become normal. If you are
>>not sure what you are then it is time to find out. My Dear Friends,
>keep
>>your head in the skies but your feet firmly but firmly on the ground.
>>
>>Most Kind Regards
>>Lobster
>>
>>
>
>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:32:29 -0700
From: Castelli <castelliATnospamhalcyon.com>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
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Hello,
I have been out of town for a few days, and now ckecking my e-mail,
I find no mail from the Kundalini list !
What happened ?
Ciao.
roberto
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Hello,
I have been out of town for a few days, and am now checking my e-mail.
Have not received any from the Kundalini list.
What happened ???
Ciao
roberto
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:42:17 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Message-ID: <33A83A17.71EBATnospamintercomm.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
>
> dear list members
>
> since the ultimate goal of kundalini seems to be centred on wholeness
> and healing and balance of the life force....
>
> would anyone be interested in joining an ad hoc network of healers and
> meditators who would simply form an anarchic and creative network for
> taking initiatives such as coordinated meditations of a global nature,
> perhaps aligned with power places, astronomical events such as solstices
> etc, coordinated remote healing, prayer etc perhaps with an ad hoc
> newsletter on email
>
> no bureaucracy, no overheads, simply a totally voluntary fluid sharing
> of higher energy and wisdom and knowledge with the deep strength that
> comes from transcending time and space with fellow souls......
>
> please email anytime or respond on the kundalini list
>
> this is a long term idea so please bear it in mind
>
> even if you are unable to respond at the moment
>
> two names come to mind:
>
> Caduceus Network for healing
>
> Blue Pearl Initiatives for global meditations and prayer
>
> clearly much overlap between the two.....
>
> both could lead to other activities in future such as
>
> global contacts, noticeboards, articles, sharing of personal
> experiences, interfaith coalitions, regional sub-networks, response to
> emergencies and crises, wider coordination with global meditators and
> healers.....
>
> this post was partly inspired by seeing pictures of a 1991 gathering at
> Bodh Gaya in India of over 1000 lamas and meditators all focussed on
> global peace - shakti just went into spasms of bliss - this is exactly
> what she wants......
>
> and personal visions of a future in which meditators and mass cultural
> gatherings like music festivals are coordinated on a global level in
> power places like Ayers Rock, Stonehenge and Egyptian pyramids at
> auspicious times in planetary movements.....
>
> and many other uncanny synchronous events in which Cosmos, Nature and
> Spirit took control of "my" life.....
>
>
Tom, Keep me informed as to what your doing with this and of course I
will participate as it comes to me. Gloria
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:34:40 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: awareness vs. thought
Message-ID: <33A8B6E0.4B26ATnospammail.snet.net>
esberk1ATnospamjuno.com wrote:
> impulse response seems to have
> no thought or action in it... leaves one able to respond
> naturally.... allowing the head to do what ever it does...
> and nature to flow freely.......
Trust.
Surrender.
So wise.
It is not so important as what I do,
as what I do not.
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 06:06:28 GMT
From: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Message-Id: <M.061997.010629.07ATnospamcenturyinter.net>
Yogi Tom
These are some of my thoughts, and some facts as I understand them
regarding "Triangles".The concept of "Triangles" was originated through the
work of Alice Bailey, Lucis Trust, and the Arcane school. Materials regarding
the structure and function of "Triangles", and of"World Goodwill" are free to
the public, and can be obtained through contacting Lucis Trust Publishing.
"Triangles" is a network of goodwill set up on the etheric plane, to be reached
through meditation and a visualization process, which connect three
individuals, and in turn which connects whole groups together, in a triangular
spiritual-etheric gridwork, surrounding the planet. It is based upon the idea
that thoughts are things, and that energy follows thought.Through the use of
directed thought of goodwill, and the use of the "Great Invocation", a triangle
of goodwill energy is created, and lifted up as a contribution to the "web" of
goodwill thought held in place by the heirarchy, surrounding this planet. Yes,
it uses a net system, but one that is far more advanced than the internet. The
"net" used in triangles work, is a telepathic one,( the world computer internet
being only the recently manifested reflection of this greater one, brought down
to the physical plane), and through objective experimentation, I have verified
to my own satisfaction, that this is indeed a viable , and tangible linking
up.I myself am a member of three seperate triagle groups, and in addition to a
subjective telepathic link with all of the other individuals in each of the
groups of three, I also keep in physical contact with them, in order to verify
that the work is being kept going, and to compare our impressions of the
triangles experiences as we witness them together.
I feel that the sudden massive, almost critical mass explosion of kundalini
activation upon this planet, which is now occuring, is a response to a message
being sent out( called in the Alice Bailey works, "Shambala energy") , like a
signal, or wave, to which those who are genetically, and karmically sensitive,
through sufficient transmigratory soul evolution, are being drawn to respond
to. I feel that the release of kundalini energy is much more than a personal
evolutionary experience, and that it , taken en mass, is the actual exponential
jumping ahead of the planetary logos' evolution, which will in the longrun
allow planet Earth to take its place among other conscious citizens of the
universe.I feel that this great joining of Earth with the rest of the conscious
universe at large, will take place only after a critical mass of Kundalini
release has taken place, sufficient enough to illicit a response from the
Great Beloved( Christ, Vishnu, Krishna, Buddha,Holy Spirit, etc.etc.), causing
it to respond, by signalling it that we are ready for its' return, and for the
next great unfoldment of divine knowledge. I find it more than coincidental
that each time that I have a kundalini release, that the planet goes through
one as well in the form of a much accelerated climatic or natural disaster
timetable, event shift. That is not to say that I am the cause of such shifts,
but only that I am registering them in my own individualized way. I feel that
any joining together of hearts, minds, and souls, at this time imparticularly
( a millineum shift , also being a major conjunctio), for the purposes of
connecting humanity with the Divine through Love, Truth, and Goodwill, in a
harmless manner, is an effort which will not be in vain.
Perhaps it is only my own personal viewpoint, but I choose to perceive each K-
energy release, as a readjustment of energy for the whole world, and universe.
Through this understanding, the purpose behind K- energy releases, especially
the difficult ones makes the experience for me, clearer, and more tolerable.
I hope that this has helped.
Lindewey mcnerneytlATnospamcenturyinter.net
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