1997/06/17 21:33
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #278
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 278
Today's Topics:
Re: awareness vs. thought
Re: Risposta: ?
No-Kundalini
king's new klothes
Re: Risposta: ?
PLANETARY CONSCIOUSNESS
Re: Love and lust
bread is nutrition - eat
Calling planet Earth
Gods Sun Speaks!
<<<<<Solstice
Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Re: Risposta: ?
Re: bread is nutrition - eat
Re: awareness vs. thought
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:45:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: awareness vs. thought
Message-ID: <970617114316_-1295160589ATnospamemout06.mail.aol.com>
These are all ideas, my own and those of others, they do not constitute the
last word on the nature of reality. I do not claim to fully understand my
own God Nature.
Strangley I've recently been finding things that reflect my theories in the
book How to Know God, The Yoga Aphorisms of Pantanjali, by Prabhavananda and
Isherwood:
"When Patanjali speaks of "control of thought-waves," he does not refer to
momentary or superficial control. Many people believe that the practice of
yoga is concerned with "making you mind a blank"- a condition which could, if
it were really desirable, be much more easily achieved by asking a friend to
hit you over the head with a hammer. ... We have to do something much more
difficult- to unlearn the false identification of the thought- waves with
the ego-sense."
In my own words, I think of it on the same level as driving a car on the
highway with low traffic. While one must think, and have lots of mental
operations occuring while they drive, they do not need to conciously think
about it. We don't have to think, "move that arm" in order to drink from a
glass, rather we just do it. To experience something, some type of thought
must occure, just as some type of time must occure for there to be an
experience.
Something I learned while being drunk, my body moves and does things without
my thinking it to do so first. I was very drunk and watching a tv show. It
was very funny and I was highly entertained. I felt a tinge in my bladder
that singnaled that I needed to go urinate soon, but no rush, so I continued
watching, waiting for a commercial. Within a few minutes, my body suddenly
stood up, I excused myself from the social setting and headded off to the
lavitory. My body was acting just like it always acts, I walked with my
standard style, my face and head acted as normal, but it was acting
automatically, without any mental effort on my part. I feel that this is
somehow living the Tao. Being aware of what is happening in this physical
"reality" but without any effort on "my" part. A temporary splitting of mind
and ego, mind watching as ego controls body without mind's misconseption of
control. 'course I was really drunk :)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:37:53 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: ?
Message-ID: <33A6AF51.1651ATnospammail.snet.net>
I see you have not been thinking.
This crossed my mind as I read your words.
Awareness(the infinite) dwells on
Awareness(the infinite).
God=Awareness squared.
Maybe Einstein's E=MC squared is a reflection of this?
Energy=God.
Speed of light is timeless.(awareness)
Times itself.(squared)
Now,(pun intended)
Mass(thought) converts to pure energy.
No thought.
Timeless void.
(Awareness without thought)
Just a thought. : )
Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote
> Process of thought is not awareness, but the other way round. Awareness gives
> rise to the process of thought. That is to say, that there are states of
> awareness without thought, only pure awareness or pure consciousness or pure
> existence. With thought come the limitations to awareness and world in terms of
> spatial, temporal and causal constraints. These are within awareness, but
> awareness (consciousness) is not in them.
>
> Cheers and love to all
> Ashanka
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:03:54 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: No-Kundalini
Message-ID: <33A709CA.2DEBATnospamdial.pipex.com>
>From Genuis-L forum
This story from Zen Note is meritorious enough to warrant inclusion in
the
postings:
[From the lost stories of Kung-Fu: ]
"Grasshopper, look at the apple on the alter." Old Master Po said.
"I see the apple," says the young monk, "It looks good and ready to
eat."
"Close your eyes, Grasshopper. Does the apple no longer exist?"
"It still exists Master, It is in my mind now."
"How does it look in your mind, Grasshopper?"
"It looks like the same apple on the alter, Master Po."
"Grasshopper, reach out with your hand and eat the apple that is in your
mind."
"I did master, and it was very good. It tasted of spring and smelled of
flowers."
"Open your eyes Grasshopper, and look at the apple on the alter. Is it
the
same apple?"
"Yes Master, it is an apple of Mind essence. Whether I see the apple
with
my body/mind senses or imagine it in my mind, it is still Mind."
"How can this apple of the mind feed your body, Grasshopper?"
"I'm afraid that Ill have to eat an apple that the body sees and smells.
This body just as the apple are from causes of causation set in motion
from time immemorial. Yet as you teach Master Po, Mind is the essence of
all flowing of causation, bodies and apples. Even apples in my mind are
created with the same essence that apples that the body eats are
created."
"Grasshopper are you telling me that you eat your mind?" teases Master
Po.
"Oh, no Master Po, I'm just saying that creative mind brings to genesis
apples to eat and bodies to eat them."
"Tell me Grasshopper, where is this Creative Mind?"
"I don't know, Master. I have tried to see if it is in any place in
particular and then tried to see it if was in no place in particular.
All I found in my search was just myself. Yet when I turned and looked
at myself looking for Creative Mind, The very nature of my own mind was
That Creative mind. But I have failed to show any one that."
"Grasshopper, Creative Originative Mind displays its grandeur for all to
see. There is no need to display it as if one was showing wares at a
shop to sell. That would be like the Fool Yanac who sells water by the
river, thinking his water was in fact better water, regardless that he
just got it from the river! Better to show people how to find
Originative Mind for themselves or else we become demons peddling their
own delusions and desires and ensnaring people to a cycle of suffering
that may not ever be broken!"
"Oh, Master, I would never want to do that to any being. For finding
Originative mind is not all that hard if one applies themselves. It only
becomes complicated when one lies to others about the sublime
Originative mind. That one swims in a sea of confusion thinking it is
wisdom and has concluded that one can not know or understand as if that
is the true understanding. I pity these fellows."
"As do I, Grasshopper. These ones are the eaters of sentient beings.
They
ensnare them in dependent thinking and drive out any hope of knowing The
Sublime Essence.
Guard yourself well, Grasshopper, these ones are slippery as an eel, and
charming as a
foreign guest."
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:27:08 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: king's new klothes
Message-ID: <33A70F3C.2D13ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
the king's new klothes (Richard Hayes , Tue 07:04)
To:
Multiple recipients of list BUDDHIST <BUDDHISTATnospamVM1.MCGILL.CA>
Eric Feingold asked me to forward this to the rest of you. He sends his
regards to everyone on BUDDHIST.
Richard
-----------------------------------
once {and really, this happened only once} upon a time, many, many years
ago,
{in fact it was so long ago, the passage of time had not yet begun},
there
was a king who was so fond of clothes that he spent everthing he had on
them.
the reality of the situation was that he had a different costume for
every
hour in the day, every day of the week and every week of the year. there
was
nothing else that mattered to him except his clothes and yet he was
still not
satisfied with the splendour of his wardrobe. whenever he saw his
tailor, he
inevitably asked for something new.
eventually the tailor, poor fellow, was driven to desperation. the fact
was
he could think of nothing new. to make matters worse he was the only
tailor
in the kingdom. so, he thought and thought, and eventually he hatched a
scheme of sorts; and this was really diabolical. what he told the king
was
that he had invented a new style of fabric which not only changed
colours and
shape into a new costume at every moment but that it would reveal those
who
were dimwitted, ignorant or stupid, or all three at once by this
wonderful
property that it possessed: to a fool the fabric would appear invisible
and
to the wise it would appear ever-changing and stunningly beautiful.
the king thought that this would be a terrific idea; that is, just by
the
wearing of these clothes he would be able to distinguish the wise from
the
fools. now what had really happened was that the tailor had run out of
ideas
and through his cunning he planned to deliver to the king absolutely
nothing
whatsoever after a suitable time lapse to convince of their difficult
manufacture.
finally when the tailor brought the box to the king and he had opened it
excitedly, he discovered that he could see nothing at all...but not
wishing
to appear dimwitted, ignorant, stupid, or all three, he pretended to
dress
himself in the clothes and went out among his people. not one of his
subjects
was willing to risk their heads by mentioning anything about his nudity
so
they too kept mum. that is until a small child happened to say a little
too
loudly as the king was passing, "hey, look! the king is naked!"
there was a stunned silence through the crowd that had amassed to
witness the
procession. the king turned to the tailor, "now look what you've done,"
he
said, everybody thinks i'm a fool for going around naked."
the tailor quickly told the king that this was nonsense, that everybody
had
indeed seen the ever-changing rainbow suit when he had first emerged
from the
palace. it was only the children who were unable to see it and of course
they
were ignorant, weren't they?
"i'll tell you what," he offered the king, "i'll teach all the children
to
see your new clothes and, until they do, just ignore what they say." the
king
thought this a splendid idea and the tailor was placed in charge of
teaching
all the children to see his new clothes. now this went on for some time,
but
soon a flaw in this plan was revealed: in order to actually teach the
children to see invisible -non-existent- clothes, very strong methods
had to
be employed.
these methods of hypnosis proved so powerful and effective that, as the
children became so immersed in the hallucination of the king's clothes,
their
vision of the real world dimmed, and so, by the time they reached
adulthood,
although they could now see the king's clothes perfectly, they were
unable to
see the king himself.
when the king complained to the tailor the tailor replied: "well, what
do you
want, make up your mind. do you want them to be able to see you or your
new
clothes? you can't have both."
the king thought for a good while. finally the tailor offered: "look,
how
does this sound? i'll still teach the children to see the clothes, but
i'll
teach a few of your subjects, not the wise majority, because they're
needed
to support the kingdom, but the fools, those who are useless to the
general
purposes of life, to see you. of course, you do realise that you'll
appear
naked to these few...?
and so from that day on some of the fools of the kingdom, those who were
not
content with hallucination were taught to see the king. needless to say
the
tailor has not been too awfully busy. and as for new costumes for the
king?
who needs more aggravation?
Date: 17 Jun 97 19:17:52
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: "david.bozzi" <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: ?
Message-Id: <9706171823.AA4815ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
Content-Type: Text/Plain
>I see you have not been thinking.
>
>This crossed my mind as I read your words.
You asked us not to think..... <(:-)>- so I not thunked.....
This reminds me of an old high school joke about what is mind, does not matter,
what is matter .. never mind.
Thoughtlessly yours..
Ashanka
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:49:39 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: PLANETARY CONSCIOUSNESS
Message-ID: <xpCZgEADxtpzEwIWATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
THANKS FOR THE GOOD MESSAGES EVERYONE ABOUT THE BLUE PEARL INITIATIVE
FOR GLOBAL AWARENESS, MEDITATION AND PRAYER NETWORK
WHY NOT START ON SATURDAY - IT'S THE SUMMER SOLSTICE IN BRITAIN
I'LL BE ON TOP OF PRIMROSE HILL IN CAMDEN, NORTH LONDON AT MIDDAY
(BRITISH SUMMERTIME) LOOKING OUT ACROSS THE CITY TO THE WEST
IT'S ON THE ST MICHAEL LEYLINE HEADING TOWARDS GLASTONBURY AND
STONEHENGE AND AVEBURY.....
ALIGN YOURSELF WITH WHATEVER ASPECT OF THE INFINITE YOU LIKE
WHY BLUE PEARL ? WELL, IT IS THE GOAL OF MANY YOGIS - SO HAS A STRONG
CONNECTION TO KUNDALINI, THE GODDESS, THE MOTHER, MOTHER NATURE AND
MOTHER EARTH, COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, WHOLENESS AND ONENESS , AND IS USED
TO DESCRIBE THE OPENED SAHASRARA
MANY HAVE DESCRIBED THE PLANET AS LIKE A BLUE PEARL, GIVEN THE HUGE MASS
OF OCEAN AND WATER FROM SPACE......
i am still trying to work out how the British solstice compares with
other parts of the world...do we all have solstices on the same day ?
......and if not, how to coordinate our awareness globally around the
solstice ? ho hum, is there a lateral thinker out there who can bend
their minds round time, space and the planets to tell us when is the
most auspicious time to coordinate our efforts ? maybe we should have a
series of solstice energy windows through the day.....this in itself is
a mind bending concept to understand - one more nail in the coffin of
narrow mindedness and prescribed cultural boundaries....
given we are entering "a solar age", this summer solstice could be a
very auspicious time to start this initiative.....
so, unless someone has a better idea, start at midday - allowing for
time differences with london time - and see what happens
if you have a local spot that you regard as auspicious or "powerful" or
sacred, why not go there either physically or spiritually......
personal point: i have found that sometimes it can be weeks or years
before an action like this can begin to have consciously understandable
effects, so be patient, spiritual alignment is a subtle process.....
also, why not make it fun, maybe even invite a friend, make some good
food, bring some music, some precious symbolic objects or an offering...
it would be interesting to hear of anyone's experiences on the day,
WHATEVER FEELS APPROPRIATE - this could form the first mini-newsletter
of the Blue Pearl Initiative - it could be fascinating, maybe even the
basis for an article one day....
we could send in pictures or artwork which i could post on my website...
the only thing i would suggest is that one does this barefoot
TOGETHER WE ARE ONE
in Love, Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:20:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: TPp40ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love and lust
Message-ID: <970617171808_-826309802ATnospamemout13.mail.aol.com>
Funny how many of us have been there and seen the screwed up ideas that are
associated with the human form. Would be good if we could teach the beauty
and remarkable design of human anatomy.
So much pain per compairing ourselfs to advertising projections. And what
do we get from it, look at the war between the sexes and the children caught
inbetween. I guess that for me Bobbie Kennedies words hold greater truth
here than in the poverity of then. "Others see things as they are and ask
why, I see things as they are and ask why not" Close enough
LLLL
TPp40
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:00:13 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: bread is nutrition - eat
Message-ID: <33A75D4D.172CATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Anita Phillips wrote:
> Thanks Ed. Very well put! I like what you have to say. Anita, *:)
> >Is it bread?
> >Where does it come from?
> >Is it from the East or the West?
> >Put butter on it and eat!
The Story Of The Three Travellers
Three travellers on a long and exhausting journey had become companions,
and shared the same pleasures and
sorrows, pooling all their resources. After many days they realized that
all they had between them was a piece of
bread and a mouthful of water in a flask. They fell to quarrelling as to
who should have all the food. Making no
progress on this score, they tried to divide the bread and water. Still
they could not arrive at a conclusion.
As dusk was falling, one finally suggested that they should sleep. When
they awoke, the person who had had the
most remarkable dream would decide what should be done.
The next morning the three rose as the sun came up and the first
traveller said, "This is my dream: I was carried
away to places such as cannot be described, so wonderful and serene were
they. I met a wise man who said to me,
'You deserve the food, for your past and future life are worthy and
suitable subjects for admiration.'"
"How strange," said the second traveller. "For in my dream, I actually
saw all my past and my future. In my future
I saw a man of great knowledge, who said, 'You deserve the bread more
than your friends, for you are more
learned and patient. You must be well-nurtured, for you are destined to
lead men,'"
The third traveller said, "In my dream I saw nothing, heard nothing,
said nothing. I felt a compelling presence
which forced me to get up, find the bread and water, and consume them
then and there. And this is what I did."
The two companions were very angry and demanded to know why they were
not called when the mysterious power
compelled him to consume the bread.
"But you were far from here! One of you was carried away to far places
and the other to another time! How could
you hear my calling?" he replied.
--- this is a traditional Sufi Story ----
Ed jason
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:22:59 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Calling planet Earth
Message-ID: <33A762A3.34CCATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Welcome back Tom,
Tom Aston wrote:
> i am still trying to work out how the British solstice compares with
> other parts of the world...do we all have solstices on the same day ?
> ......and if not, how to coordinate our awareness globally around the
> solstice ? ho hum, is there a lateral thinker out there who can bend
> their minds round time, space and the planets to tell us when is the
> most auspicious time to coordinate our efforts ?
time is irrelevant, like space - it can be done anytime but a start
point and place can be the focus of empowerment. You can do this at any
time or place and send thoughts to an agreed meeting.
> the only thing i would suggest is that one does this barefoot
We are always barefoot even when walking on cotton and rubber
Will you be sacrificing a chicken?
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:12:08 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Gods Sun Speaks!
Message-ID: <33A76E28.6688ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
> Jesus is even
>portrayed in the Gospel of Matthew (verses 22-40) as responding to a
>question thus:
>
> "Teacher," he asked, "which is the greatest commandment
> in the Law?"
>
> Jesus answered, "'You must love the Lord your God with
> all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your
> mind.' This is the the greatest and the most important
> commandment. The second most important commandment is
> like it: 'You must love your fellow-man as yourself.'
> The whole Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets
> depend on these two commandments."
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:51:11 -0700
From: "Daniel L. Rusch-Fischer" <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: k Address For Posts <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: <<<<<Solstice
Message-ID: <33A6F8BF.6D1EATnospamix.netcom.com>
Hello (k)ites,
SOLSTICE is Latin 'solstitium' (the standing still of the sun) = 'sol'
(the sun) + 'sistere' (to stand). These are the times when the day is of
its shortest and longest duration; approximately June 21 for the Summer
Solstice (longest day in the year) after which the days start to get
shorter and around December 22 for the Winter Solstice (shortest day)
after which the days begin lengthen.
Between these two are the EQUINOXES Latin 'aequinoxium' (the night that
is equal) = 'aequus' (equal) + 'nox' (night). At these times the night
and day are of approximately equal length and occur halfway between the
solstices; about March 21 and September 22.
Technically, there is only one longitude on earth each year at which
the day will truly be the longest of all possibilities for length of day
for the year and that will be the one that is tangent to the orbital
path of the earth at the time that the axis of the earth at the North
has precessed to the point where it has its maximum tilt toward the sun.
And of all places along that longitude, the point at about latitude
23°27' North will have the longest day of all.
Of course, all places on earth have a 'longest day', and that will be
each place's June 21 this year. Happy Solstice, my eyes are already
watering, body is vibrating, and am drifting in and out of spontaneous
meditations (Karen remarks, "Where were you THAT time?")
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 04:41:34 GMT
From: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Message-Id: <M.061797.234134.56ATnospamcenturyinter.net>
Yogi Tom
I am already working with Triangles, which in a way is exactly what you
are describing. However , I am interested very deeply in your suggestion, and
would be interested in working with other healers, and meditation groups as
well.
Lindewey mcnerneytlATnospamcenturyinter.net
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:27:54 -0400
From: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Risposta: ?
Message-ID: <19970618.003914.3222.24.esberk1ATnospamjuno.com>
Go David!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love your posts!!!!
Doreen
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:37:53 -0400 David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
writes:
>I see you have not been thinking.
>
>This crossed my mind as I read your words.
>
>
>Awareness(the infinite) dwells on
>
>Awareness(the infinite).
>
>
>God=Awareness squared.
>
>
>Maybe Einstein's E=MC squared is a reflection of this?
>
>
>Energy=God.
>
>Speed of light is timeless.(awareness)
>
>Times itself.(squared)
>
>Now,(pun intended)
>
>Mass(thought) converts to pure energy.
>
>No thought.
>
>Timeless void.
>(Awareness without thought)
>
>
>Just a thought. : )
>
>
>Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote
>
>> Process of thought is not awareness, but the other way round.
>Awareness gives
>> rise to the process of thought. That is to say, that there are
>states of
>> awareness without thought, only pure awareness or pure consciousness
>or pure
>> existence. With thought come the limitations to awareness and world
>in terms of
>> spatial, temporal and causal constraints. These are within
>awareness, but
>> awareness (consciousness) is not in them.
>>
>> Cheers and love to all
>> Ashanka
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:32:12 -0400
From: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com
To: vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: bread is nutrition - eat
Message-ID: <19970618.003914.3222.25.esberk1ATnospamjuno.com>
ooooooooooohhhhhhh I loved this!!!
Especially as I have been on a bread and honey binge for
two days!!!!
Doreen
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:00:13 -0700 E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> writes:
>Anita Phillips wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ed. Very well put! I like what you have to say. Anita, *:)
>
>> >Is it bread?
>> >Where does it come from?
>> >Is it from the East or the West?
>> >Put butter on it and eat!
>
>The Story Of The Three Travellers
>
>Three travellers on a long and exhausting journey had become
>companions,
>and shared the same pleasures and
>sorrows, pooling all their resources. After many days they realized
>that
>all they had between them was a piece of
>bread and a mouthful of water in a flask. They fell to quarrelling as
>to
>who should have all the food. Making no
>progress on this score, they tried to divide the bread and water.
>Still
>they could not arrive at a conclusion.
>
>As dusk was falling, one finally suggested that they should sleep.
>When
>they awoke, the person who had had the
>most remarkable dream would decide what should be done.
>
>The next morning the three rose as the sun came up and the first
>traveller said, "This is my dream: I was carried
>away to places such as cannot be described, so wonderful and serene
>were
>they. I met a wise man who said to me,
>'You deserve the food, for your past and future life are worthy and
>suitable subjects for admiration.'"
>
>"How strange," said the second traveller. "For in my dream, I actually
>saw all my past and my future. In my future
>I saw a man of great knowledge, who said, 'You deserve the bread more
>than your friends, for you are more
>learned and patient. You must be well-nurtured, for you are destined
>to
>lead men,'"
>
>The third traveller said, "In my dream I saw nothing, heard nothing,
>said nothing. I felt a compelling presence
>which forced me to get up, find the bread and water, and consume them
>then and there. And this is what I did."
>
>The two companions were very angry and demanded to know why they were
>not called when the mysterious power
>compelled him to consume the bread.
>
>"But you were far from here! One of you was carried away to far places
>and the other to another time! How could
>you hear my calling?" he replied.
>
>--- this is a traditional Sufi Story ----
>
>Ed jason
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:05:13 -0400
From: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com
To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: awareness vs. thought
Message-ID: <19970618.003914.3222.21.esberk1ATnospamjuno.com>
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:45:55 -0400 (EDT) CGIAJWATnospamaol.com writes:
>These are all ideas, my own and those of others, they do not
>constitute the
>last word on the nature of reality. I do not claim to fully
>understand my
>own God Nature.
>
>Strangley I've recently been finding things that reflect my theories
>in the
>book How to Know God, The Yoga Aphorisms of Pantanjali, by
>Prabhavananda and
>Isherwood:
>
>"When Patanjali speaks of "control of thought-waves," he does not
>refer to
>momentary or superficial control. Many people believe that the
>practice of
>yoga is concerned with "making you mind a blank"- a condition which
>could, if
>it were really desirable, be much more easily achieved by asking a
>friend to
>hit you over the head with a hammer. ... We have to do something much
>more
>difficult- to unlearn the false identification of the thought- waves
>with
>the ego-sense."
>
>
>In my own words, I think of it on the same level as driving a car on
>the
>highway with low traffic. While one must think, and have lots of
>mental
>operations occuring while they drive, they do not need to conciously
>think
>about it. We don't have to think, "move that arm" in order to drink
>from a
>glass, rather we just do it. To experience something, some type of
>thought
>must occure, just as some type of time must occure for there to be an
>experience.
>
>Something I learned while being drunk, my body moves and does things
>without
>my thinking it to do so first. I was very drunk and watching a tv
>show. It
>was very funny and I was highly entertained. I felt a tinge in my
>bladder
>that singnaled that I needed to go urinate soon, but no rush, so I
>continued
>watching, waiting for a commercial. Within a few minutes, my body
>suddenly
>stood up, I excused myself from the social setting and headded off to
>the
>lavitory. My body was acting just like it always acts, I walked with
>my
>standard style, my face and head acted as normal, but it was acting
>automatically, without any mental effort on my part. I feel that this
>is
>somehow living the Tao. Being aware of what is happening in this
>physical
>"reality" but without any effort on "my" part. A temporary splitting
>of mind
>and ego, mind watching as ego controls body without mind's
>misconseption of
>control. 'course I was really drunk :)
>
>
>I have been aware of this happening also of late.
This: allowing LIFE to live it self threw me
and... using no force...... just being... "alert"...when
"impulse" to pee hits me... I know that life is living itself...
from the ground of the true souce. Then relief is only
a toilet away.
Sorry... did not mean to seem crass ... but your antidote
really amused me!
Seriously... the pule..impulse response seems to have
no thought or action in it... leaves one able to respond
naturally.... allowing the head to do what ever it does...
and nature to flow freely.......
Doreen
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