1997/06/17 08:46
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #277
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 277
Today's Topics:
Re: Risposta: Sweeping the World
Honestly . . .
book recommendation
New vocabulary needed for new vision
Re: Honestly . . .
Re: Kabbalah/qabalah and chakras
Re: Honestly . . .
Re: Love and lust
planetary healing and consciousness
Re: Honestly . . .
"I AM THAT"....Nisagadatta Maharaj
Re: "I AM THAT"....Nisagadatta Maharaj
Risposta: Honestly . . .
Risposta: ?
Western holistic medicine
Re: Honestly . . .
Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Re: Risposta: Honestly . . .
Re: K and yoga
Re: Love and lust
Re: Western holistic medicine
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:41:51 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: Sweeping the World
Message-ID: <33A588EF.23D8ATnospammail.snet.net>
Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
> every age has its own teacher and as times change the Lord
> incarnates in many forms to teach people the new way.
>
Same Way.
Different form.
Genuine teachers point the way
To the One True Teacher within.
Beware the master with a personality.
Peace to you
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:05:48 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Honestly . . .
Message-ID: <33A5C6CC.7C8ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
A storm rages outside. In our own experience we know how common the
trials and tribulations are. Few of us have the capability to alter the
external weather. We are however quite capable of altering our own
internal processes. In our best scenario we are capable of improvement
towards an idealized self. This idealized self is not something that
comes into being but something that already exists. It does not matter
what our external shell is. What is important is the similarity of the
internal spirit. In that sense we are One Person.
The idea of moving towards Perfection or Truth becomes a movement
towards our own Central Being which has these qualities. On a journey,
we are intrigued by the various sights and sounds, however the important
consideration is the destination.
One of the most pernicious lies is that of having already arrived. If
our experience is of imperfection, then it is merely words and self
delusion to pretend otherwise. This honesty with our own situation
creates the basis for further unravelling.
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:00:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: book recommendation
Message-Id: <199706162100.QAA08801ATnospamdfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
Just finished a terrific book that I picked up on a whim (hah!) without
knowing anything about the author. It is "The Breath of God" by Swami
Chetanananda, 1988, Rudra Press, P.O. Box 13390, Portland OR,
97213-03990; 1-800-876-7798. It zinged me so often I could only read a
little bit at a time. Holly
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:05:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: SKidder333ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: New vocabulary needed for new vision
Message-ID: <970616210314_-126956989ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
Within a few months of K manifesting itself, I began to see (particularly
landscape views) in a new way. Whatever is in front of my eyes is sliced
into segments just like a loaf of bread. Each slice of "bread" is then
divided into segments. I have counted 10 "slices" of bread and ten segments
within each slice. Each of the now 100 segments seems to reflect the entire
view front to back, but somehow they build on oneanother and magnify the
interaction between everything as well as defining crisp sharp distinctions
between the beginning and endings of things.
When I am "seeing" like this, the ordinary becomes extraordinarily exquisite
and literally breathtaking. My reading has been limited, but enough to
understand that either there are those amongst you who see similarly and/or
could refer me to some written source that explains and gives good, CLEAR
expression to these visual changes.
So often trying to share my experiences, especially with my husband, are
difficult, messing, stumbling, frustrating moments. I have knowlege of
neither an eastern or western vocabulary to assist me.
I shall appreciate any references or personal stories which might help me be
more literate in at least this one small area of my beautiful k life.
Love in the Spirit, Sylvia
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:05:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Honestly . . .
Message-ID: <970616210339_1824496126ATnospamemout12.mail.aol.com>
>From Loster:
<< A storm rages outside. In our own experience we know how common the
trials and tribulations are. Few of us have the capability to alter the
external weather. We are however quite capable of altering our own
internal processes. <<
Easier said than done. Isn't this a lot of the "journey"--- learning how to
do this very thing?
<<In our best scenario we are capable of improvement
towards an idealized self. This idealized self is not something that
comes into being but something that already exists. >>
True. I never look at life as "lessons" to be learned, but rather as
knowledge I will remember through events that trigger that remembering.
<<It does not matter what our external shell is. What is important is the
similarity of the internal spirit. In that sense we are One Person. >>
Unarguably true. We are all molecules of water in the same ocean.
The idea of moving towards Perfection or Truth becomes a movement
towards our own Central Being which has these qualities. On a journey,
we are intrigued by the various sights and sounds, however the important
consideration is the destination. >>
Yes, but half the journey is getting there.......and how we do that.
<<One of the most pernicious lies is that of having already arrived. If
our experience is of imperfection, then it is merely words and self
delusion to pretend otherwise.>>
So much of life for so many is based on delusion, but it's not necessarily
something to condemn people for if they learn from those delusions. I think
we all pretty much know we are imperfect. Must we necessarily beat ourselves
up for that? Imperfection implies one thing....we have more to become aware
of. This is life.
<<This honesty with our own situation creates the basis for further
unravelling. >>
Yes, and kudos to all those who are willing to try to deal with that honesty
of the soul on this planet in this time. We work hard to go forward.
Love,
Kat
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:16:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kabbalah/qabalah and chakras
Message-ID: <970616211437_38823856ATnospamemout03.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-06-16 18:09:43 EDT, Anita wrote:
<< As an aside, it is very interesting to me that since about a month ago,
when I was "blown away" unexpectedly by kundalini, I have been really
focused on the physical/biochemical, manifestations of the process. My
previous focus and interests in things spiritual had been pointed toward
developing a "right attitude of mind." My pendulum seems to be swinging
the other way--without, as yet, totally abandoning previous gleanings. >>
Anita, don't let your pendulum swing too far the other way. As another
kundalini rookie, I suspect I was also suddenly "blown away" because I had
been focusing intently on "spiritual" issues, which for me were learning and
helping. Coincidentally, I had just discovered the Qabalah when the
kundalini energy began. I also ran and cleaned out the book store to learn
what sort of physical practices I should start doing and what could explain
the physical changes my body was undergoing. I started taking yoga classes
in hopes that becoming a human pretzel will somehow help keep me on the path
and will put me in the company of like-minded people. I am struggling to
meditate without snoozing. I am also going to try to learn how to pray, as
soon as I can figure out who/what/where to pray to.
So far, the kundalini experience has reminded me of my favorite act on the
old Ed Sullivan Show. Do you remember the man who would spin plates on the
top of tall sticks? He kept adding new plates and sticks, but always went
back take care of the plates already spinning, otherwise they would crash to
the floor. Kundalini is looking to me like a real balancing act, where it
doesn't seem to matter so much how you start as long as you work diligently
on integration.
Peg
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:59:17 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Honestly . . .
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At 04:05 PM 6/16/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
> This idealized self is not something that
>comes into being but something that already exists.
Dear Ed,
The idealized self that I exited for me through most of my life was the
result to the modeling and shaping of my parents, including the denial of
their own issues and the transference of them to me. I could never live up
the my existing idealized self. My failure was a powerful source of shame
and psychopathology throughout my childhood and late into my adulthood.
Perhaps one might call this product of the developmental context a false
self-ideal.
It was not until I began to understand emotional dynamics and consciously
began choosing values, that I constructed my own new self-ideal, one which
it was possible to approach, and began to gradually overcome the
internalized shame that had so debilitated my life. I still have a long way
to go.
Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love and lust
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At 09:39 PM 6/15/97 -0700, Ken McFarland wrote:
>At 07:45 PM 6/15/97 -0700, M wrote:
>
>> Stop worring about it and do something more constructive.
>My concerns are that there seems to be a great deal of
>animosity between some men and women, or visa versa, when I believe there
>should be love. This animosity seems to be more noticeable in recent years.
>
>The idea that a person finds the sexual organs of the opposite sex to be
>ugly, disgusting, and repulsive suggests that there has been some sort of
>trauma or abuse, or an environment that created negative messages about the
>physical union of women and men. I believe the union of men and women should
>be based on love
Ken,
with regard to: >>This animosity seems to be more noticeable in recent years.
Well, this may be true for post-Bobbit men. As a women, I'd say (and I did
say) this has been going on for centuries upon centuries, and women have
noticed it for centuries upon centuries.
Some people think that how we get from <<what is>> to <<what should be>>
involves turning the tables. They may have a point. What you are reporting
and finding noticeable is probably so due to the turning of the tables, not
the animosity itself.
That's the view from this side of the table anyway and all I meant to convey
in my previous post.
M
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 02:10:43 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: planetary healing and consciousness
Message-ID: <QaWhsFATQepzEwf+ATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
dear list members
since the ultimate goal of kundalini seems to be centred on wholeness
and healing and balance of the life force....
would anyone be interested in joining an ad hoc network of healers and
meditators who would simply form an anarchic and creative network for
taking initiatives such as coordinated meditations of a global nature,
perhaps aligned with power places, astronomical events such as solstices
etc, coordinated remote healing, prayer etc perhaps with an ad hoc
newsletter on email
no bureaucracy, no overheads, simply a totally voluntary fluid sharing
of higher energy and wisdom and knowledge with the deep strength that
comes from transcending time and space with fellow souls......
please email anytime or respond on the kundalini list
this is a long term idea so please bear it in mind
even if you are unable to respond at the moment
two names come to mind:
Caduceus Network for healing
Blue Pearl Initiatives for global meditations and prayer
clearly much overlap between the two.....
both could lead to other activities in future such as
global contacts, noticeboards, articles, sharing of personal
experiences, interfaith coalitions, regional sub-networks, response to
emergencies and crises, wider coordination with global meditators and
healers.....
this post was partly inspired by seeing pictures of a 1991 gathering at
Bodh Gaya in India of over 1000 lamas and meditators all focussed on
global peace - shakti just went into spasms of bliss - this is exactly
what she wants......
and personal visions of a future in which meditators and mass cultural
gatherings like music festivals are coordinated on a global level in
power places like Ayers Rock, Stonehenge and Egyptian pyramids at
auspicious times in planetary movements.....
and many other uncanny synchronous events in which Cosmos, Nature and
Spirit took control of "my" life.....
regards
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 02:08:23 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Honestly . . .
Message-ID: <33A629D7.3D93ATnospammail.snet.net>
LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Imperfection implies one thing....we have more to become aware
> of.
Yes, become aware of Our Own Perfection.
It is still kept safe for Us
Beyond the grasp of time.
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:00:34 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamvsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: "I AM THAT"....Nisagadatta Maharaj
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Jason wrote,
It is the realisation of change and the acceptence of
transition that is a form of realisation. You do not arrive but become aware
that arrival and departure are part of travelling. In that sense thee is
nowhere to go that you have been.
Ram.....
It is said in Vedas that it took each of us 8.4 million births
to evolve from microcells (from matter or energy) to human beings.
Each birth involved EFFORT and STRUGGLE to survive against the
destructive forces of nature.
EFFORT and STRUGGLE resulted in PAIN and not in BLISS or PEACE.
I find three different types of persons who are
spiritually searching ...
A.. Those who SURRENDER to Gurus or Gods. They go thro' BLISS
because they are ready to surrender life which they have
collected thro EFFORT and STRUGGLE in 8.4 million births.
B..Those who follow "I AM THAT" or what Jason wrote above .They
simply "LET GO". Whatever comes across they face it.
In fact they are flowing with evolutionary forces. The
reward they get is PEACE and SERENITY.
C..Those who lead the evolution.They are totally EGOISTS.They
are the Gods or Gurus . They are always happy to collect
the life that "A" type of people surrender. They are the
persons who call this path "PATH OF COMPASSION". Because
they go thro EFFORT and STRUGGLE and huge PAIN on behalf
of themselves and for others. They also pull type "B"
persons. They call themselves Buddhas or Bodhisattvas etc.
There must be some purpose to all this systematic evolution. Can it
be path of circle where everyone has been? Not a single
moment of effort of evolution thro life is being lost.
No one can select path A or B or C because the evolution has
progressed so high that it is now being controlled by
earlier evolves Buddhas or still higher POWERS.
One can only meditate inside and find for himself whether
he is A or B or C type.
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 03:02:33 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: "I AM THAT"....Nisagadatta Maharaj
Message-ID: <33A63689.521EATnospammail.snet.net>
Sunil R Peswani wrote:
> I find three different types of persons who are
> spiritually searching ...
> A.. Those who SURRENDER to Gurus or Gods. They go thro' BLISS
> because they are ready to surrender life which they have
> collected thro EFFORT and STRUGGLE in 8.4 million births.
> B..Those who follow "I AM THAT" or what Jason wrote above .They
> simply "LET GO". Whatever comes across they face it.
> In fact they are flowing with evolutionary forces. The
> reward they get is PEACE and SERENITY.
> C..Those who lead the evolution.They are totally EGOISTS.They
> are the Gods or Gurus . They are always happy to collect
> the life that "A" type of people surrender. They are the
> persons who call this path "PATH OF COMPASSION". Because
> they go thro EFFORT and STRUGGLE and huge PAIN on behalf
> of themselves and for others. They also pull type "B"
> persons. They call themselves Buddhas or Bodhisattvas etc.
>
> There must be some purpose to all this systematic evolution. Can it
> be path of circle where everyone has been? Not a single
> moment of effort of evolution thro life is being lost.
> No one can select path A or B or C because the evolution has
> progressed so high that it is now being controlled by
> earlier evolves Buddhas or still higher POWERS.
> One can only meditate inside and find for himself whether
> he is A or B or C type.
We are all of the above.
Though you may find some who are predominately a certain type
at a certain phase, we go through a cycle of all of them.
This is an all encompassing cycle that works on many levels.
Struggle, release.
Joyous, sad.
Inhale, exhale.
The birth and death of the moment.
Ying, yang.
Abusive relationships.
The abuser, type C, the abused type A.
And so on, and so on.
Duality.
Type B is balance.
The integration of type A + C.
The Present.
The dissolution of boundry.
May your A and C be in balance as One.
Date: 17 Jun 97 10:10:34
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Risposta: Honestly . . .
Message-Id: <9706170913.AA4329ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
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>This idealized self is not something that
>comes into being but something that already exists.
Read in one of the lectures by Swami Vivekananda a sweet little story. Do not
recollect the exact
words, but am reproducing the story. Please do excuse the shortcomings of my
transliteration.
"On a tree there were two birds, one sitting on a lower branch and one sitting
on a higher one.
The bird on the lower branch was eating different kinds of fruits. Whenever he
ate a sweet ftuit
he was happy and whenever he ate a bitter fruit he became extremely unhappy.
But the bird on
the higher branch was shining and was always in a state of blissfull happiness.
As the lower bird began to watch the happy bird he began to get nearer and
nearer till the glow
from the higher bird began to show on the lower bird.
And then, lo and behold, there were no two birds but only one bird on the tree.
The happy bird was
all that was there. The lower bird was a mere reflection of the bird in the
mass of movements in the
tree."
Such is our state, the highest bliss in knowing "That Thou Art" , or in
Sanskrit, "Tat Tvam Asi".
(Notice the similarity in the words ?)
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: 17 Jun 97 10:14:51
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Risposta: ?
Message-Id: <9706170922.AA4349ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
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>Is the process of thought
>
>awareness?
>
>
>(don't think before you answer)
Process of thought is not awareness, but the other way round. Awareness gives
rise to the process of thought. That is to say, that there are states of
awareness without thought, only pure awareness or pure consciousness or pure
existence. With thought come the limitations to awareness and world in terms of
spatial, temporal and causal constraints. These are within awareness, but
awareness (consciousness) is not in them.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:56:28 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Western holistic medicine
Message-ID: <HRtUeLA8ElpzEwsNATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
looking into Western tradition of holistic medicine came across the name
Nicholas Culpeper - never heard of him before, but he seems to have a
pretty profound grasp of things....has anyone come across his work ?
would be interested to hear any thoughts.....
regards
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:28:23 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Honestly . . .
Message-ID: <33A6BB27.2AD9ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Dear Kat and Ken,
Ken McFarland wrote:
> > This idealized self is not something that
> >comes into being but something that already exists.
> The idealized self that I exited for me through most of my life was the
> result to the modeling and shaping of my parents, including the denial of
> their own issues and the transference of them to me. I could never live up
> the my existing idealized self. My failure was a powerful source of shame
> and psychopathology throughout my childhood and late into my adulthood.
> Perhaps one might call this product of the developmental context a false
> self-ideal.
You are very special Ken,
You have realised the causation of the false self
You are looking at ways to overcome this
You know you have a need to be loved
Kundalites please send Ken your thoughts, prayers and Love.
(It seems to me that you are more able to search and find those
qualities
in yourself :)
> It was not until I began to understand emotional dynamics and consciously
> began choosing values, that I constructed my own new self-ideal, one which
> it was possible to approach, and began to gradually overcome the
> internalized shame that had so debilitated my life. I still have a long way
> to go.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken
You have started.
You are trying.
We travel with you. Failure is OK :) - it is one of my hobbies :) - We
are none of us perfect. We try our best.
----
and Kat wrote:
<< A storm rages outside. In our own experience we know how common the
trials and tribulations are. Few of us have the capability to alter the
external weather. We are however quite capable of altering our own
internal processes. <<
> Easier said than done. Isn't this a lot of the "journey"--- learning how to
do this very thing?
Nobody said it would be easy. It is hard but rewarding. It is the only
journey with the ultimate destination - where else are you going to go?
<<In our best scenario we are capable of improvement
towards an idealized self. This idealized self is not something that
comes into being but something that already exists. >>
>True. I never look at life as "lessons" to be learned, but rather as
knowledge I will remember through events that trigger that remembering.
Life can also be more conscious than that?
>So much of life for so many is based on delusion, but it's not necessarily
something to condemn people for if they learn from those delusions. I
think
we all pretty much know we are imperfect. Must we necessarily beat
ourselves
up for that? Imperfection implies one thing....we have more to become
aware
of. This is life.
>Yes, and kudos to all those who are willing to try to deal with that honesty
of the soul on this planet in this time. We work hard to go forward.
Love,
Kat
We do
PEACE AND BLESSINGS TO ALL KUNDALITES
Lobster
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:19:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: planetary healing and consciousness
Message-ID: <970617091955_-661876505ATnospamemout01.mail.aol.com>
Dear Yogi Tom---
sounds good!
count me in--please put me on your list so i stay informed--
(caduceus sounds good)
blessings, Dee
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:07:08 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Risposta: Honestly . . .
Message-ID: <33A6D24C.21DBATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
> And then, lo and behold, there were no two birds but only one bird on the tree.
> The happy bird was
> all that was there. The lower bird was a mere reflection of the bird in the
> mass of movements in the
> tree."
>
> Such is our state, the highest bliss in knowing "That Thou Art" , or in
> Sanskrit, "Tat Tvam Asi".
> (Notice the similarity in the words ?)
I similar story is told in the Mystic Poem
The parliament of the birds (Attar).
40 birds start on a journey to the Simorgh
the sacred King of all the birds
through many trials and tribulations they reach their destination
and realise they are now the King
the traveller has become the destination
Love
Lobster
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:52:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: K and yoga
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would this be a form of sympathetic magic then? why do so many
practices seem to preclude the reality of grace?
and something that is coming up over and over again in my mind: why
is kundalini awakening. . .something as natural as childbirth. .
.since people have been doing it forever. . .have a culture of fear
and disease surrounding it? is this the dominant paradigm or what?
curiously yours,
susan
---M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> wrote:
>
> I loose track of this sometimes but I think we should remember that
> Kundalini was responsible for the development of Yoga. Sometimes
on this
> list it seems we think that the reverse is true. It can happen that
way to
> individuals - - - their practice of Yoga gets their K rising.
However, it
> is widely believed that Yoga came from Kundalini. K expressing
itself in
> spiritual individuals kyrias and then those being imitated by others
in
> hopes of acquiring their gifts.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:59:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love and lust
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speaking from this woman's point of view i find peni (plural of penis?)
altogether lovely and wonderful. obviously, no tantrikas in that
group.
and not representative by far of the totality of women's viewpoint.
men are always loved and appreciated in my corner. :)
hugs to all the wonderful men on the list. (((((((((())))))))))))))
susan
---Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU> wrote:
>
> Hello K-ites,
>
> A friend of mine, a close friend, is a graduate student in a
scholastically
> rigorous and respected college in Oregon, USA. She told me today
that in a
> group of women with whom she has worked on projects for several
terms, were
> talking yesterday and they all agreed that penises are ugly,
disgusting, and
> repulsive. She robustly disagrees. She tells me that she taught her
> daughters that penises are holy things that were made for God's
purpose and
> their pleasure as women - not ugly, but beautiful.
>
> She further tells me that the first view seems to pervade the
women's and
> feminist movements with which she is acquainted.
>
> I relate this, not out of some lascivious vicarious interest, but
rather in
> shock and concern.
>
> I suggest there are profound implications.
>
> All of you, please reply.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken
>
>
_____
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:23:35 -0700
From: johnATnospamanodyne.org (John Pateros)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Western holistic medicine
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At 9:56 AM 6/17/97, Tom Aston wrote:
>looking into Western tradition of holistic medicine came across the name
>Nicholas Culpeper - never heard of him before, but he seems to have a
>pretty profound grasp of things....has anyone come across his work ?
>would be interested to hear any thoughts.....
He was an astrologer and physician who was denounced by the medical
establishment of his time for his radical views on health and healing.
Around 1640 AD he compiled a book of herbal remedies he used in his
practice, and it is still available as one of the best sources of
information about medicinal herbs. "Culpeper's Complete Herbal" is
published by W. Foulsham & Co., Ltd. in London. It includes color plates
of the herbs as they appear when flowering, astrological affiliations, and
tips for harvesting the herbs and preparing the remedies. If Dr. Culpeper
were alive and practicing today he would probably be denounced by the
medical establishment. . .
Best,
John Pateros
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