1997/06/09 16:29
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #269
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 269
Today's Topics:
Re:/pineal gland/dreams/hormone
Re: Samadhi/Vivekananda
new magazine
Third eye
Re: kundalini/pineal gland/SAD
Re: Recent lessons
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #267
Re: /pineal gland/dreams/hormone
Re: /pineal gland/melatonin
Re: comparative buddhism
Re: comparative buddhism
Re: electricity and interference
Re: A not so ordinary day in the life of me
Re: SAD
Re: SAD
Re: Samadhi/Vivekananda
Re: Samadhi/Vivekananda
Mark Saito
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:36:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:/pineal gland/dreams/hormone
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this textbook: Anatomy & Physiology, 2nd edition, Thibodeau and Patton is
more upto date...1993...states
"although full undersrtanding of the pineal gland is a long way off, we
do know that it functions to support the body's biological clock....one
hypothesis states that visual signals received by the pineal allow it to
determine day length and lunar cycles(changin phases of the moon).
Day-length information helps to keep daily and seaonsal cycles 'on time'.
Melatonin, the principal pineal secretion, appears to inhibit LH
secretion an so may be a means by which the pineal can influence the
menstrual cycle."
"Melatonin, whose secretion is inhibited by the presence of sunlight, may
also affect a person's mood. A mental disorder, called seasonal affective
disorder....severe depression only in winter...has been linked to the
pineal"
* * *
nothing says what i've posted about the pineal is written in stone...all
i was doing was putting forth a thread, a possible hypothisis, for a
physical world explanation for that phenomon known as the KUNDALINI...
a possible link between the pineal and the highest chakra...trying to
explain a real world scientific for the Kundalini reminds of the the
physicists who when trying to measure the 'waves' of an light particle
the instruments show particles....yet when they measure for particles the
instruments show waves...
i believe the tantras refer to a 'golden drop of ambrosial
nectar'...Gopi's "liquid light"...a soothing voice of wisdom
how do you describe the kundalini?
she has spoken to me...her voice permates my psyche...she has instilled
some of her wisdom within me...i recognize her voice when she speaks
there is none other like it...
dennis
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:38:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU>
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Samadhi/Vivekananda
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970608190321.10882C-100000ATnospamturbo.kean.edu>
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how about a quick refresher course on Samadhi...
this is put forth as intreptations of the Sutras of Patanjali by Swami
Vivekananda...i believe that this turn of the century Swami has the
distinction of being the first eastern religious teacher to immigrate to
the U.S. from India in the late 19th centry.
there are according to his interpations of the Sutras seven levels of
Samadhi, within the higher ones there are a couple of further subdivisions.
please understand that what i am posting here is a very brief synopsis.
they are listed in hierarchy 1 to 7, one being the lowest:
1. savitarka samadhi - with question, questioning the elements so they yield
power
2. nirvitarka samadhi- without question; take elements out of space/time;
think of them as they are
3. savichara samadhi - with discrimination; tanmatras thought of as within
time and space/Gunas-defined-gross elements
4. nirvichara samadhi- without discrimination; relate fine elements (tanmatras)
as they are: without time/space
Tanmatras undefined.
Chitta - mindstill cause of all manifestations
a. organs b. mind-senses c. ego
5. sanada samadhi - meditation is on interior thinking organ, thought
of as bereft of tamas and rajas, gross and fine
given up
Pradhra - three Gunas in state of equilibrium; Gunas
merely indicated; first manifestation of nature; all
manifest from it; cosmic intellect
6. asmita samadhi - only sattva of ego remains; differentiated from all
other objects; mind free from tamas and rajas; all
gross and fine materials given up
samkhya - interaction of nature and Purusha
prakrita - signless/beyond intelligence, intelligence
but reflected light of Purusha
7.asamprajnata samadhi-constant practice of the cessation of all mental
activity, the chitta retains only the unmanifested
impressions
Nirvikalpa - mind seedless, free from modifications,
superconciousness
Aryaka - unmanifested state of nature; prana and nature
one; nature before creation at begin/end cycle.
Nirvikalpa...a 'seedless' mind is the ultimate goal of meditation
dennis
On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, susan carlson wrote:
> i don't know what level. i used to know what they were a long time
> ago.
>
> i just know i love it when i am there.
>
> blessings
> susan
>
> ---Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > 'feels like samadhi'...which samadhi?....it's been a long time but i
> > believe there are seven discernable levels....
> >
> > or, does it really matter samadhi is samadhi....
> >
> > dennis
> >
>
> _____
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 05:56:49 +0400
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Subject: new magazine
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Kevin told me about this new magazine and then I approached to the Publisher of the magazine. I hope the information may be of any interest to list members. Shri Charak is editor of the magazine.
"The Vedic Astrology is a bimonthly magazine published from India. It has an annual subscription of US$ 28 for one year and US$56 for two years. The magazine is sent by air mail.
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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 22:22:33 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Third eye
Message-ID: <339B9319.56FEATnospambest.com>
thought I'd add my bit to the pituitary gland topic, although this is
not scientific on my part.
When my third eye opened, I levitated. I've never been able to
reproduce this effect, and I was rather busy at the time so I couldn't
study it. I didn't sleep AT ALL for two weeks. I was bored! There's
nothing to do all night long. I had the habit of sleeping (now as a
parent I'd like to reverse that choice, alas too late it seems) so I
chose to resume sleeping, a few hours at first, then longer until I had
a normal sleep pattern two months later.
With this came clairaudience and a more complete clairvoyance than I
had previously. Psychometry so intense that I had to wear gloves
because everything I touched emitted a history and energy. There's
probably more, but I can't recall as it was years ago.
I'm going through some odd changes now, physical and mental. There's
ahuge desire not to do linear thought, to instead just grasp everything
with my mind as a whole pattern, (a holograph, my mind whispers). I'm
gaining weight with no obvious cause, especially in the abdomen. I'm
driven to MOVE, walking for hours. I've had no energy movements or
kriyas, no "stream" of energy at all, which is unusual. My entire muscle
structure is writhing inside my skin, stretching and cramping at the
crown, feet and palms, constricting at the solar plexus and abdomen, and
the muscles over the fifth eye.
I have no idea what is going on. I've been uncommonly irritable for six
months, now I'm clear and calm but easily exhausted. I've had a few
headaches, which are not normal for me since my crown bones moved open
five years ago (there's actually a soft spot there which pushes aside
physical objects and touch by others with great force). I've even run
fevers, and I normally just don't get sick.
Any ideas, has anyone gone through this?
Morgana
(ps- thanks for all the sweet comments on my "lessons" post, that was a
great feeling of community)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 23:48:37 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.kean.edu>
Cc: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini/pineal gland/SAD
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At 03:38 PM 6/8/97 -0400, Dennis Quinn wrote:
>hope this is enough for now....
>
>
>dennis
>
Thanks Dennis,
That was actually quite a bit.
sincerely,
Ken
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:26:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU>
To: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Recent lessons
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970609092049.5454A-100000ATnospamturbo.kean.edu>
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Morgana on June 8th wrote..."how beautiful the world is, and why anyone
ever want to stop incarnating here?"...an ancient enlightened sage said
something to the effect...'the joy of living a thousand lifetimes'...i
most heartedly agree with you..."how beautiful the world is"....
dennis
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:32:31 -0400
From: phillialATnospamucrwcu.rwc.uc.edu (Anita Phillips)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: energy.candyATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #267
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Thanks Morgana for the well-phrased comments on "energy candy." It's a
helpful kick-in-the-pants thought to change some things!
Anita
> We are energy candy to many people. High energy people constantly
>attract wounded people who think that they want to befriend us and
>"give" to us because they can't openly acknowledge their need. Many
>years have taught me that they want an effortless (on their part)
>healing, and enough is never enough, subconsciously they are so focused
>on their need that they can kill you. I've seen this happen to men and
>women, the powerful energy sustaining the weak until only the weak is
>left. The weak isn't healed either, they choose another
>powerful person and kill them also.
> This is not to say that you should question all your relationships,
>just the codependent ones.
>Morgana
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:22:17 +0100
From: Christopher Williams <christopherATnospamecjw.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: /pineal gland/dreams/hormone
Message-ID: <Ru4OFCAJOAnzEwNJATnospamecjw.demon.co.uk>
In message <339B21ED.5DFCATnospammail.snet.net>, David Bozzi
<david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> writes
>Dennis Quinn wrote:
snip
>It is also interesting to note many people who take
>
>melatonin report better dream recollection and more intense,
>
>vivid dreams.
>
Small point but you cannot buy melatonin in the UK because it is
reported to cause damage to either the liver or kidneys, I do not
remember which. If your internal organs are OK then limited use might
not have much effect, after all it is on open sale in the US.
ciao
Christopher Williams <christopherATnospamecjw.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 10:13:31 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: /pineal gland/melatonin
Message-ID: <339C0F8B.52A1ATnospammail.snet.net>
Christopher Williams wrote:
>
> In message <339B21ED.5DFCATnospammail.snet.net>, David Bozzi
> <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> writes
> >Dennis Quinn wrote:
> snip
> >It is also interesting to note many people who take
> >
> >melatonin report better dream recollection and more intense,
> >
> >vivid dreams.
> >
>
> Small point but you cannot buy melatonin in the UK because it is
> reported to cause damage to either the liver or kidneys, I do not
> remember which. If your internal organs are OK then limited use might
> not have much effect, after all it is on open sale in the US.
>
Hello,
There are over 50 recent studies, using large amounts of melatonin
(1000mg./day)
showing melatonin has no apparent toxicity other than drowsiness.
Considering we only need a few miligrams to achieve normal levels it is
very safe.
Why am I belaboring the point?
Because melatonin has been found to protect our immune system
and slow down the aging process via its' ability to keep our
hormones in sync. Age related effects are associated with the
loss of synchronization of our hormones.
By age 25 peak nightime levels have tapered off to 50%.
By age 40, you have 20% left.
Age 70, around 10%
Sincerely,
David
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 07:50:43 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: comparative buddhism
Message-Id: <199706091450.HAA25426ATnospamf42.hotmail.com>
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----In response to:
>Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 15:24:09 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: comparative buddhism
>Message-ID:
><Pine.GSO.3.95q.970607152045.16313A-100000ATnospampiranha.itlabs.umn.edu>
>
>
>I wondering if anyone knew off hand or about a book having
>information regarding the different schools of Tibetan Buddhism. I
>am looking for comparative aspects of the Gyuto, Karma Kagyu, Sakya
>and Nyingma schools in particular. Are all of these schools tantric?
>
Not being a Buddhist, I am afraid I can't help on the books on the
different schools.
Based on a general understanding of Tibetan Buddhism, I believe all
schools are a mixture of the Buddhist teachings that came from India and
Bon (the local religion at the time), which is common of the Buddhist
variations throughout Asia.
All schools are considered tantric. That of course does not mean they
have anything to do with sex, as I am sure you are aware. Some may have
sexual teachings but Tibet was the most monastic country in the world
until the Chinese undertook their unchallenged genocide there.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:24:17 -0400
From: brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com (brenda asterino)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: comparative buddhism
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Just an added comment... or question, maybe... from what I have read about
tantric...and even tho most Americans align it with sexual practices... my
understanding is that the basis of tantric is to learn to use the kundalini
and to honor one another.
Brenda
At 07:50 AM 6/9/97 PDT, you wrote:
>----In response to:
>>Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 15:24:09 -0500 (CDT)
>>From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
>>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>>Subject: comparative buddhism
>>Message-ID:
>><Pine.GSO.3.95q.970607152045.16313A-100000ATnospampiranha.itlabs.umn.edu>
>>
>>
>>I wondering if anyone knew off hand or about a book having
>>information regarding the different schools of Tibetan Buddhism. I
>>am looking for comparative aspects of the Gyuto, Karma Kagyu, Sakya
>>and Nyingma schools in particular. Are all of these schools tantric?
>>
>
>Not being a Buddhist, I am afraid I can't help on the books on the
>different schools.
>
>Based on a general understanding of Tibetan Buddhism, I believe all
>schools are a mixture of the Buddhist teachings that came from India and
>Bon (the local religion at the time), which is common of the Buddhist
>variations throughout Asia.
>
>All schools are considered tantric. That of course does not mean they
>have anything to do with sex, as I am sure you are aware. Some may have
>sexual teachings but Tibet was the most monastic country in the world
>until the Chinese undertook their unchallenged genocide there.
>
>Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>
>Namaste,
>
>Joe
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: electricity and interference
Message-ID: <970609132858_-993879495ATnospamemout17.mail.aol.com>
Here's more on electrical interference.
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:26:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A not so ordinary day in the life of me
Message-ID: <970609142601_1619963620ATnospamemout11.mail.aol.com>
The post from 'nothing is' struck my heart because it felt so familiar. It
never fails to startle me each time I read a posting where someone else has
written my own words. It always elicits the kundalini vibrations.
'nothing is' described, in his kundalini episode: "Strange visions of light
bodies, notably upsidedown pentagrams... I saw the stars outside through
my bedroom ceiling." On May 11, I had written in my own journal about the
visions of the night before: "glimpses of large indigo pentagrams fading in
and out... a field of small white 'stars' or tiny points of light, like a
night sky."
Has the group ever talked about why there are such similarities in these
vision?
Just curious,
Peggy
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:16:30 -0400
From: PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: SAD
Message-Id: <E0wb9va-0001Yo-00ATnospamiglou1>
I just wanted to thank everyone for their kind thoughts and
recommendations to me re: SAD. The weather here in Louisville has been
very unusual, and while I enjoy a good thunderstorm and even a tornado
once in a while, the constant greyness seems to make my current
journey/sadhana even more difficult.
I am not without external pressures. I am in therapy, have been diagnosed
clinically depressed, have been taking zoloft for a number of years, and
am experimenting DATING after seven years celibacy and a year being
unattached. When the sun is shining it seems to help.
Thanks again for all your input.
Paul
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 15:34:54 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: SAD
Message-ID: <339C5ADE.3ATnospammail.snet.net>
PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us wrote:
> am experimenting DATING after seven years celibacy and a year being
> unattached.
I missed this.
7 years?
Surely you are aware of the profoundness of 7 year
cycles.
I say you are about to have a "blooming."
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:31:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Samadhi/Vivekananda
Message-ID: <970609153003_406698403ATnospamemout20.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 6/8/97 7:40:17 PM, you wrote:
<<7.asamprajnata samadhi-constant practice of the cessation of all mental
activity, the chitta retains only the unmanifested
impressions
Nirvikalpa - mind seedless, free from modifications,
superconciousness
Aryaka - unmanifested state of nature; prana and
nature
one; nature before creation at begin/end cycle.
Nirvikalpa...a 'seedless' mind is the ultimate goal of meditation
dennis>>
This has always been a stumbling point for me, does bliss exsist in this
mindless state, also if no thought exsists, is one concious of being in this
state?
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 15:41:17 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Samadhi/Vivekananda
Message-ID: <339C5C5D.32A7ATnospammail.snet.net>
CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
> This has always been a stumbling point for me, does bliss exsist in this
> mindless state, also if no thought exsists, is one concious of being in this
> state?
One is aware of Consciousness.
One is aware that One is Consciousness.
Bliss is Consciousness.
Peace to You
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:25:37 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Mark Saito
Message-ID: <339C90F1.701BATnospambest.com>
When someone here (please forgive my sliping memoery) mentioned Mark
Saito, I had the strongest urge to look him up. I'm not certain why,
today.
He's teaching through the Nine Gates Mystery School, which has a web
site. He's also at:
1291 Kahili Street
Kailua, HI 96734
808-262-0709
His picture is at the Nine Gates web site, interesting energy.
Morgana
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