1997/05/23 22:44
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #246
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 246
Today's Topics:
#Synergy-June 4
Pranayama discussion
JUST WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THOSE MORMONS, ANYWAY?
Ravin' Raven and the Crow
Re: JUST WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THOSE MORMONS, ANYWAY?
The pattern
Re: The pattern
Re: JUST WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THOSE MORMONS, ANYWAY?
Re: Egolessness
Philip St. Romain's e-mail address
Re: Philip St. Romain's e-mail address
Re: Egolessness
Re: Sea Org nightmare/Phreadae
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:00:18
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 08:06:14 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: sks1ATnospampacbell.net, yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk, lissetteATnospambridge.net
Subject: Pranayama discussion
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>>Karl <sks1ATnospampacbell.net> writes:
>>Who knows the best pranayama (breathing techniques) for enhancing
>>your Kundalini practice, or just general health?
>From Yogi Tom:
>pranayama can be both a boon and a potential danger
Very true!
>it should be practiced within an overall system of yoga working with
>the body and mind as well as the breath
Certainly the best way. For best results you need the entire practice, including
diet, meditation, hatha yoga, lifestyle, .... pranayama is just a part of the
whole.
>breathe through the nose
This is why many are taught to wash the nasal passages each morning after
rising. Because of dust and drainage within the nose breathing is not full and
easy, washing it out helps. I do this every day all year long.
If you want to do that use a warm, not hot, natural saline solution made with
kosher salt, it is pure salt, no added aluminum or sugar (read the regular
Morton Salt box, their both there), and is best if done with spring water (in
the U.S. each and every city adds aluminum salts to the water to make help
settle out particles, that's besides all the stuff people talk and worry about).
>so unless one has a very specfic energy imbalance and has sought
>expert guidance, using pranayama techniques without a teacher or a
>background in yoga may not be a good idea, especially if gleaned from
>a book or on the net....
>there are well-documented cases of people using pranayama becoming
>psychically unbalanced and psychotic - see Sangharakshita and Paul
>Brunton for instance
And Lissette wrote:
>Pranayamas could be dangerous if not done correctly or guided by a
>master.
I agree in general but have been taught there is one technique that is safe in
all but the rarest of cases. It serves to both calm the body and the mind to
allow K to do her stuff and to gently awaken her.
The only contraindication I am aware of is if you have an uncontrolled or
problematic K rising. In some very few of those cases it can cause a problem. If
you don't have that sort of problem I was taught it was considered safe.
Actually it is even OK for most such risings but you would need a good teacher
who can tell you which group you're in to be sure you were in the majority and
not the minority. Tom and Lissette are right about how dangerous it can be, for
the wrong people. If you do have problems you should consider yourself to be in
the group it would harm. Always, safety first!
The technique is called alternate nostral breathing or samabyas.
Note that there are two different practices taught under this same name by
different yoga groups in the U.S. One can be very dangerous, it involves breath
retention. NEVER do any pranayama involving breath retention or strong/forced
exhaling (a "snort") without a very skilled teacher instructing you.
You can get a good book on pranayama that will describe it in some detail. If
you can't find it write me and I'll fill you in, this post is long enough
already.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:25:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlasmeowATnospamaol.com
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: JUST WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THOSE MORMONS, ANYWAY?
Message-ID: <970523132522_612637867ATnospamemout12.mail.aol.com>
Gloria,
Mormonism has become very conservative in the last hundred years or so. We
are all taught to seek personal revalation, but are warned that we are only
entitled to receive revelation on behalf of ourselves and those that we are
responsible for (children, members of organizations that we direct, etc.).
We are also taught that personal communications from God, by means of His
holy Spirit, is sacred and personal and not to be freely shared with others.
That is why I shared only those aspects of my own experience that seemed to
relate to what St. Romain wrote.
Still, if you do a little digging into Mormon writing you will find tons of
spiritual manifestations. The earliest published collection of NDE's that I'm
aware of is a book called "Life Everlasting", by a Mormon writer whose name
escapes me right now.(I think it's Crawley, or something like that. I own
several of his books, but they're all packed away right now. I'm fleeing Utah
for a new job in Atlanta.) It was published back in the Sixties.
One good reason that I can see for not talking about them too much is that
when people hear about the spiritual experinces of others it can make them
feel envious and spiritually "out of the loop".(Gee, why does SHE get to have
all of the visions and miracles, and I don't get any?!! *sniff* I guess God
doesn't love ME). Besides, I believe that our personal humility plays a large
role in our ability to hear the whisperings of the Spirit. Bragging about how
spiritual you are would be counter-productive. There's a saying among
Mormons," You'd have more spiritual experiences if you didn't talk about them
so much."
We are taught that revelation can come from three sources: God, Man, and
Satan. We are also taught that Satan can assume any form to suit his need,
"Even an angel of light." We have been given a test to tell the origin of a
supernatural visitor. Ask the being to shake your hand. A spirit messenger
will refuse, because s/he doesn't have a body and therefore can't shake
hands. A resurrected being will shake hands with you because s/he has a body,
glorified and perfected. An evil spirit will pretend to shake hands with you,
in spite of not having a body, in order to deceive you.(I guess they haven't
figured out the refusing to shake thing). I have felt the presence of evil
spirits on a few occasions, but don't think I've ever seen any.
If we should ever be confronted by a satanic visitor, we are told to raise
our arm to the square ( arm to the side,hand about head-level, upper arm
perpendicular to the body - like your'e being sworn in as a witness.) and say
to the being
"In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I command you to depart." Or words to
that effect.
Man, I don't like talking about Evil.
O.K. Back to the original question. Because of the possibility of being
deceived by Satan, most Mormons that I know shy away from spiritual
phenomena. I have personally decided that I'm willing to take what God sends
to me, and that a lot of people seek after spiritual manifestations out of
egotism and a desire for power, rather than out of love for themselves and
others. I've been reading some Hindu literature lately, and most of it is
catalogs of miracles worked by Masters, but one Guru said "People that are
interested in manifesting phenomena don't have a true vision of this work. We
perform our practices in order to become better servants."(I'm parphrasing
because I just packed-up that book, too.)
So like sex,(we have more kids than Catholics) spiritual experiences are
common among Mormons, but not often discussed in detail. Also like sex, we're
taught to stay away from the WEIRD stuff, spiritually.
Also like sex, some Mormons just can't get enough of talking about spiritual
experiences, and go around playing "I'll show you mine if you show me yours".
I'm personally turned off by spiritual exhibitionists. I've known people to
"fake it" spiritually, to look important in the eyes of others.
I have some other things about Mormonism and Kundalini that might be(more)
interesting to you, but I've got to get to work now.
Before I go I wanted to throw out a question to the group for general
consideration:
What are the everyday qualities of an eogless person, and how does one go
about surrendering (discarding) the ego?
** **
* ** *
* *
* *
* Ronnie Gee
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:18:27 -0400
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Ravin' Raven and the Crow
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the Raven, and the Crow ,
can sow the seeds, of Love,
which for me, means care,
of Humanity, and Sorcery,
for, all the rest,of the Magic,
of Nature, is the best care,
I can give, anyone, including you...
If you give me, anymore Love,
than, I can give you, I'll take you,
to God, and Infinity, where,
the Lover of Life, and Spirit,
will take over, and change, you...
Now, will you, include, the Other,
Bird, that you discovered, is you, too,
I know, this is true, that, they are similar,
But, I love the old, ancient, Crow,
He, is in legends, so ambivalent,
that, the story, unfolds, just, forever...
He delivered messages, between the worlds,
of the spiritual, and the world, of the living,
A more, comical bird, I have never, never seen,
he is a Trickster, of the higher degrees,
he plays tag, with the Coyote, and runs back,
to his nest, to disagree, with all Creation,
and, Crows, to his Heart's content...
His curiosity, and ravin' desires, to explore,
gets him, in trouble with me, for example,
he pokes, and prods, and I, get impatient,
with him, and then we argue, and when,
we make up, it is heaven on earth, to sing,
this song of creation, is for me, the best,
in the world of make believe, of the imagination,
and Magic and Sorcery, soon, become Revelation...
Raven, is a selfish, greedy, and Noble bird,
the noble, is the only one, worth mentioning,
because, Ravin Raven, plays tricks on herself,
and her consciousness, and like the Raven, hids,
her treasures, bad and good, from herself,
the nobility of dark birds, is very hard, to pin down,
because, they are so loving, in a secretive way,
their love, comes through, devious methods,
that are resourcefully, sourcerful, in manner like,
an inner Guru, or, a sign from the Gods, lighting
on the branch, or atop the garbage cans, outside...
The crow, and the raven, also, have a propensity,
for making, trouble, of all kinds, this I know,
personally, having personality conflicts, of the
highest, motivational forces, known on earth,
mother nature, of course,is constantly in conflict
with the aims of man, today, is the day of change..
Compassionate birds, of a feather do, flock together,
to come to the assistance, of, all that are weak,
and troubled, on every side of life, that, you imagine,
In the old country, these dark wings, represents,
the mother earth, and the powers, that lie between,
the heavens and the earth, below it, and above it,
these omniscient creatures, that shiny black, that,
flashes back, the past, present, and the future to be...
Magical, mystical, feathers of our friend, the crow,
and the raven, is the symbol of, magical leadership,
thought and memory, are important keys, of our
sharp, witted, darting, through the branches, friends,
they are,the advance scouts, to check everything out,
of chaos, and bring back, whatever, they found,
the best of the medicine, the dark bird does bring,
is the compassionate Love, of all the life, on earth,
and, in the heavens, for love come forth from the
darkest deepest part of the void of God,
Raven is eternal, Raven religion is timelesslyancient, and they still live..
Ravin' Raven
~V~
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:49:17 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: JUST WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THOSE MORMONS, ANYWAY?
Message-ID: <3385E6AD.37AATnospammail.snet.net>
GlasmeowATnospamaol.com wrote:
> What are the everyday qualities of an eogless person, and how does one go
> about surrendering (discarding) the ego?
>
>
>
> ** **
> * ** *
> * *
> * *
> * Ronnie Gee
The term "egoless person" is contradictory.
Without ego, there is no person.
Ego is truly personal.
Ego cannot really be given up.
Who is doing the giving up?
Ego can be integrated.
That is, the imaginary line drawn in the
sand of Infinite Energy, that makes
the illusion of ego, is no longer realized.
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:45:30 -0400
From: "Larry Killen" <mosiahATnospammindspring.com>
To: "Kundalini List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: The pattern
Message-Id: <199705232047.QAA01634ATnospambrickbat8.mindspring.com>
The last few days many strange things have happened. The last few days my
senses have been so heightened that I feel like I can almost see through
rocks. I can smell everything. I mean everything from a distance. I
drive down the road and can smell the beer someone threw out of their car.
I am going 50 miles an hour. I can smell every little thing in the house
and it is often unpleasantly overwhelming. Cleansers, perfumes, deodorizers
make me nearly sick. I drive past a restaurant and I can smell their food.
I am talking to a woman and I smell her "femaleness". I could tell that a
mouse had been in our basement because I smelled it. I work in a very
modern office and can smell when someone opens the door to the restroom
down the hall a 100 ft. I can smell the deodorants used in there.
But I also can sense and transmit vibrations. I sit at this computer and
sometimes feel like the desk it shaking. My wife detects nothing. Every
once in awhile the room will light up a little, like someone turned one of
those the dial on an adjustable light. At times I here the frequency
change of electrical items like fans and computers. Electrical equipment
has been doing all sorts of strange things. Things work erratic that had
not failed before. A tape drive has worked flawlessly on my Sparc 10 that
I had given up over a year ago as dead and had been using a network
tapedrive since. The strangest thing was that I knew it would work! I
took a VCR to Circuit City that quit working and they said it would cost
$300 to fix. I told them 'no' and paid my $48 estimate fee!! On the way
home I got the (what do you call it when you feel completely sure?)
impression that the VCR would work. My son was with me and I told him. I
walked into the house and connected it, powered it up and inserted a tape.
That was a year ago last Christmas and we still watch it!
I am a graduate student. So often I study and realize I knew all that I
was reading. Not because I am 'smart' but I feel like I had read it
somewhere before. This is not common reading! I also see things that are
materially there. Things appear for a moment and go away, I think.
Much of this sort of thing was happening yesterday. I had so much energy
that I worked until 9:30 PM and came home and studied. I had barely slept
the night before. Yet when I went to bed at 2 AM I wasn't the least sleepy
so I got back up and got on line for a few.
And then today has been bizarre. It started with some angry E-mail from
another list (I was trying to recommend he read a Web site (The MER-KA-BA
Meditation:The Teaching On Spherical Breathing) I found through here but he
thought (I assume) I was attacking his LDS beliefs. We are both Mormon.
It seemed to set the pace for the entire day where everyone I have
encountered has misunderstood what I have said and is angry with me about
it. After about 5 incidences like the first I began to see the humor in it
all. I actually told one person (my professor, no less) that they would
have to wait in line to hate me! But one positive note. When such things
get so pronounced I am able to detach and look at it. That is where I am
at now.
But I am wondering why or what for? I ask God if this is a lesson I need
to see and if so, what is it I need to learn? (religious approach) or I am
aware of my propensity for martyrdom. Nail me to the cross and then you'll
be sorry. A habit I learned from my dad.(psychological) Or this is just
the cycle of life events (philosophical)Maybe I am just looking at the
negative side of life today (analytical).
I don't know much for sure. Of course I have entertained Satan too. I
don't like him so I try to make like there ain't one. He doesn't seem
necessary.
But the last week has been insane. I don't believe I dramatize my life. I
don't think I have too! But I feel I am caught between systems where I
can't quite break from one to reach the other.
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( O O )
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Larry T. Killen
TRW Systems Integration Group
serving the Centers for Disease Control
wk (770)488-7404
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"Opinions expressed here are strictly mine but should be yours"
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:12:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The pattern
Message-ID: <970523181236_-196466559ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-05-23 16:48:55 EDT, you write:
<< mosiahATnospammindspring.com >>
As someone who has gotten absolutely nowhere trying to figure out why I'm
being pursued by coincidences, heightened perceptions, precognition, and a
sense of being tested or tinkered with, I would say try and accept it as your
new norm. Yes, it does make you detach and watch your own life with
curiosity. (Sometimes it's like you're observing the observer of the
observed, and you don't know which one is you.)
If the coincidences and the wild sensations should suddenly stop, I would
find the "normal" life I used to live very strange indeed. You have to admit
one thing: Kundalini never lets you get bored. Sometimes I think about the
people who spend their lives extending the transcendental number pi out to
millions and millions of decimal places. When they get far enough out, they
come across all kinds of unusual patterns, like the place they call "the
sevens" where the number 7 keeps repeating over and over. Then when the
seemingly random numbers resume, it looks pretty boring in comparison. Maybe
we're just "in the sevens" for awhile, where the patterns we perceive only
seem impossible.
Peg
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:43:21 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: GlasmeowATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: JUST WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THOSE MORMONS, ANYWAY?
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>
> Before I go I wanted to throw out a question to the group for general
> consideration:
>
> What are the everyday qualities of an eogless person, and how does one go
> about surrendering (discarding) the ego?
>
>
>
> ** **
> * ** *
> * *
> * *
> * Ronnie Gee
Ronnie,
I probably learned more about Mormonism in that one post then much of
what I've read, thank you for sharing. The concept of not talking about
your experiences spiritually is wise, I very seldom ever share what
happens with me unless spirit brings it in for a specific purpose.
Doesn't happen often.
Your question you posed to the group...
Probably the biggest single quality that comes through is totally being
focused in the now... which is the only space the Holy Spirit can work
through. That centered quality, being in the presence...ceaseless
meditation, creates a different vibration which is consistant no matter
what is coming down. This creates an ongoing movement that simply
creates the rhythmn of life. What is different? The absence of thought,
trying, wanting, etc. The only thing left when these solar plexus
energies are not active is movement in Divine Will. Gloria
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 21:37:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlasmeowATnospamaol.com
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Egolessness
Message-ID: <970523213715_642394153ATnospamemout08.mail.aol.com>
Thanks for the insight, I'm going to have to chew on that one awhile.
Allow me to rephrase the question, to get at what I'm really after:
When I used the term "ego" I didn't mean the sense of being a unique
individual,separate from everyone else. I was curious about perfecting
humility.
(Though the concept of surrendering one's own will in order to merge with the
Universe is probably closely related. When concepts start getting too deep my
brain locks up.)
It is my belief that we all have two selves, a true, divine self, and a
counterfeit,profane self. LIke in cartoons where there's a little angel on
one of your shoulders and a little devil on the other one, both of them with
your face and trying to influence you.
The false self is our proud, egotistical, vain, and also shameful nature,
that was learned after coming to this phase of our existence. The divine self
is our original equipment.
Many people spend their lives integrating this false identity into
themselves, until it is their only identity. Others believe that they are
both, that one has just as legitemate of a claim on us as the other.
At the time in my life when I was at the most in tune with the infinite, I
was non-judgemental, forgiving, slow to anger, not easily offended, and had
patience and love for everyone around me, including myself. I had no pride to
be hurt, so I honestly didn't care about what others thought or said about
me. I possessed total confidence because I had no insecurities.
This was a gift from God, I don't know why it was given to me, how I lost it,
or how to get it back.
Can "orthodox" Kundalini give me these same benefits?
Please keep me thinking, David.
Ronnie Gee
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:48:25 +0800
From: Mohanamurali Parasuraman <mohanpATnospampc.jaring.my>
To: "'Kundalini-l'" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Philip St. Romain's e-mail address
Message-Id: <199705240248.KAA23716ATnospamrelay5.jaring.my>
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Dear List Members,
Does anyone out there know the e-mail address of Philip St. Romain?
Philip, are you still on the list? Pls reply soon.
Mohan
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:55:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlasmeowATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Philip St. Romain's e-mail address
Message-ID: <970523225556_-1062636269ATnospamemout16.mail.aol.com>
I second the motion.
If he doesn't want it given out, would someone in the group be in a position
to forward a short message?
Pleeeeeeeease?
Ronnie Gee
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:20:57 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Egolessness
Message-ID: <33865E99.67DDATnospammail.snet.net>
GlasmeowATnospamaol.com wrote:
> When I used the term "ego" I didn't mean the sense of being a unique
> individual,separate from everyone else. I was curious about perfecting
> humility.
Humility emerges when one has a sense of Unity.
When one realizes he is one with his brother, one
will act with love.
There is no distinction between giving and receiving.
As one gives, one receives, for one is giving to Himself.
> (Though the concept of surrendering one's own will in order to merge with the
> Universe is probably closely related.
Yes, surrendering one's individual will is the same. Or simply
seeing the meaningless of individual will. There is only one
True Will that is eternal. When we see how believing in
separateness is the cause of all struggle and pain,
really see this, we will drop it.
> When concepts start getting too deep my
> brain locks up.)
Precisely! Abandon concepts. They may be useful models for
a time, but ultimately they need to be transcended.
Concepts are time-bound.
> It is my belief that we all have two selves, a true, divine self, and a
> counterfeit,profane self. LIke in cartoons where there's a little angel on
> one of your shoulders and a little devil on the other one, both of them with
> your face and trying to influence you.
That would make three selves. The real self, the false self,
and the self who is caught in the tug of war between those two.
Our True Self doesn't try to persuade. The True Self simply
Is. Without resistance, in eternal bliss-fulled creativity.
> The false self is our proud, egotistical, vain, and also shameful nature,
> that was learned after coming to this phase of our existence. The divine self
> is our original equipment.
We are not so far apart.
> Many people spend their lives integrating this false identity into
> themselves, until it is their only identity. Others believe that they are
> both, that one has just as legitemate of a claim on us as the other.
One is Real. The other is unreal. The unreal can only
be experienced in dreams.
> At the time in my life when I was at the most in tune with the infinite, I
> was non-judgemental, forgiving, slow to anger, not easily offended, and had
> patience and love for everyone around me, including myself. I had no pride to
> be hurt, so I honestly didn't care about what others thought or said about
> me. I possessed total confidence because I had no insecurities.
This is selflessness.
> This was a gift from God, I don't know why it was given to me, how I lost it,
> or how to get it back.
It is still a gift. The gifts of God are eternal like Himself, as
He Himself is all he gives.
If you realize you never lost it, you will not struggle to get
it back.
> Can "orthodox" Kundalini give me these same benefits?
Kundalini is within.
She's telling you something.
> Please keep me thinking, David.
>
> Ronnie Gee
No my friend.
Stop thinking!
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:27:06 -0400
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sea Org nightmare/Phreadae
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At 07:11 PM 5/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>When were you at Flag? (FH) PAC?
I was in middle management at both places,
>I did the paintings in the ballroom in the mid 80s
and at flag and pac I did advance magazine plus all
dessemination material, including the cover of
dianetic 86 soft back book cover and the last birthday
poster of LRH. you can see my picture, a painting
of me as the Widow Tayl if you look up the artist
wildbank,with info search machine, it is selling
for 2,500 dollars, and ASI is selling them. They sell
LRH's sci fi books such as Mission Earth series,
and Battlefield Earth.
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