1997/05/23 03:00
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #245
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 245
Today's Topics:
Re: dangerous...
Re: UN-subscribing
For DeeAnkh from List Mystress.
Re: UN-subscribing
Re: the mask of light and a opinion
Angel experiences
Nurturing the Light
Re: Nurturing the Light
Seeing the light
Re: Seeing the light
Lizst
Simply enlightened
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:56:14 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: dangerous...
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Hi Vic,
I was in Scientology for 25 years, I KNOW about it really well, and
have done just about every rundown in existance. If you don't want to
end up a schizopherenic-paranoid person, thinking that you are full of
spirits like parasites stuck to your body, and having to pay thousands
of dollars to get rid of them...stay away from it please... It is a very
dangerous cult.If you want information {" real information") on it let
me know. I have files on it.
they mix truths with lies to trap you into this network of lies/fiction
and truths, created by the madman L. Ron Hubbard, who lived hiding from
the world, to not pay taxes, and so noone would know how sick he was.
(he said that you could get to Be at Cause over "Matter energy space and
time"and then he lived sick and full of addictions he died the church
cremated him immediatly so nobody would find out of his "drugs and
alcohol stuffed body".
I fell for this for 25 years of my life, they used my vulnerable side,
when I was 18 years old.... promising incredible results for my
emotional needs, they had the solution for "all your problems" for
amazing amounts of money.
Well this is a topic that is quite fascinating, to see that intelligent
people can fall in such a trap....
John TRavolta and Tom Cruise, to name too big stars, are caught in it.
I can see why, they can really program you, and gradually using the
technique of auditing that is nothing more than a system of
psychotherapy created and discarted by Freud, using a machine that they
make you belileve that can read your mind. and you start believing that
the only one who knows the way out of this mess is LRH (L Ron Hubbard)
Beware!!!!
May Love and (((light))))protect you..
an ex....
> This story, which happens to be true, is a result of Scientology
> Processing,
> of the Interiorization Rundown, run on me, it caused me to descend
> into
> my subconscious, meet my schitzophrenic voices, and pictures, inside,
> and going on an extremely, Intense, Shamanic Vision Quest, which
> lasted four and 1/2months,the beginning described in the short outline
> about the Lion King, his
> gift to mankind, Bts, or Baby Thetans, just like us, who are Angels,
> cause, they
> have not been born on this world, give them a break and treat them
> right, a
> few left in, causes Genious and Enlightenment of the 3rd kind, a few
> more
> may cause insanity, but if you have a master like I do, it does cause
> you to be
> a Lion Hearted Person, like me.That, Only, the ancient Sorcerers know
> how
> to deal with this, so, it is the cause of Greater Wisdom, and Love,
> than you'll
> ever know,if you stay here in ars, young man, take my word for it, and
> understand, that this young woman is not your enemy, but your Friend,
> and Allie, which means, someone, or something, that is strong in
> teaching things you do not know, and I say this young man, because,
> she loves you, so, if you knew, how much she loved you, she really
> wouldn't have written this poem,and song, of Mystery, of an Angel,
> stranded on the Sand, of this Island Earth, and then gave birth to
> Mankind, as we know. I am just floating in Cosmic Consciousness, of
> the One Great Kind, I know as Infinity, Oh, baby, I know, you see
> Stars and Bars , I see God and Love,
> Baby, Baby, I see you looking at me, wondering about Love, which is
> the most
> important element, that money can't buy, when you buy courses to
> improve
> your mind, and not your Heart, you're asking for trouble, believe me,
> I have thought of that, and, you know what, that is the End of that,
> forever, and ever, ever...
> And, it is still going strong, thank God, with another More
> Knowledgeable
> Great Master Teacher rescuing me, and you all, from, the Insanity, of
> the Int. RD, in Spirit, being very OT, Himself, He watched over me, He
> watched over me, He watched over me, until, I got out of danger, and
> even drilled me, over and over,how to be a Warrior, out of the God
> Centered Love in His Heart, and Soul and Mind and Spirit, perhaps, put
> in by an "Master" who is good at taking pictures from His Spirit's
> Reservoir of Love, and, putting pictures in another endangered
> spirit's memories, Knowingly.. A " Master" can put in Prophetic
> Dreams, and Instructions, to save the life of your World, and our
> dreams..This is called, the Highest Sorcery, in the World, High White
> Magic, the Ancient Magic, of the Indians, South, of the border, from
> the USA.
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:24:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: UN-subscribing
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please fix this problem. I did not want to un-subscribe.
thanks--Dee
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:49:44
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Subject: For DeeAnkh from List Mystress.
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At 00:05 22/05/97 -0400, DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com wrote:
>I do NOT WANT to un-subscribe!! please fix this.
>
>thanks--
>
>Dee
>
Chill, girl, nobody is going to unsubscribe you.
I have been getting messages from K.List computer for a few days, like
the one below that your mailbox is full, so the computer might have
unsubbed you by itself.
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>The mail you sent could not be delivered to:
>552 deeankhATnospamaol.com has a full mailbox
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I don't unsub people for full mailboxes, I just put up with the extra email
of bouncing posts till they come back.
I don't write and tell them about it either, because my post about it
would likely bounce, too. Waste of time.
I hardly ever unsub anyone, instead I tell them how to do it themselves.
Unless they are having problems... it is a pretty simple system.
If the computer has unsubbed you automatically for having a full mailbox,
resub yourself. The address is in my sig. I would suggest that if mail
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I don't know how the unsub request in your name came to be posted
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:29:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:54:45 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the mask of light and a opinion
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In message <199705220342.UAA00639ATnospamf32.hotmail.com>, anita grayson
<eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com> writes
>K-ites,
> I have had an experience of a mask of light at my head, eyes
>and nose area. At times I can not see what is in front of me. I can
>not concentrate on what I am doing. What is it? The crown?
ho hum, shakti having fun with your brain probably and introducing you
to a little bit of heavenly light......
she likes to play with all the senses, so the eyes are no exception....
the eyes are actually more closely related to the navel chakra
i found that as the crown opened, the navel chakra was purified at the
deepest levels....
it tranform the old personality, and much of our lives are centred in
our sense of vision and what we see.......
it is just a phase you're going through.
acknowledge it, soak up the light and energy, hang loose and maybe keep
a journal so you can see how the symptoms of transcendence develop over
the longer term just in case you think you're imagining things, and also
keep a note of any subtle insights that arise as they can be forgotten
very quickly.......
before you go to sleep it may help to do deep relaxation and become a
spiritual sponge for all this energy and light so it integrates through
dreams and the relaxation of sleep......
apart from that, in my experience, the less you do, the better.
there is no need to respond to these things, they are all freely given
by shakti.....
just remember to say thank you with your Heart
> Also
>there are times when I walk and it is like nothing is there. Like a
>limb has been taken off and I think it is still there. This happened
>when I was going through the cleansing and the detachment stage.
>
so sounds like you're beginning to understand that you are not this
body....
classic kundalini - posing questions like......who is it that walks and
talks and looks ?
it can all be rather funny if you let go into it.....
one day the process will be complete and all this will be like a dream !
and these symptoms and this advice will seem very funny indeed.
regards
Yogi Tom
>
>
>
>
>OPINION:
> The other day I had a lucid experience. I saw a tatoo of
>a serpent woman. I thought of getting a tatoo before, several years
>ago. I did draw her later.Now this experience has me thinking again.
>I work with a lot of people who have them. Maybe a serpentine tatoo
>on my left ankle, where it first opened. Should I?
>
>
>
>
> Lucid Anita
>
>
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:32:42 -0400
From: PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Angel experiences
Message-Id: <E0wUYv4-0005N4-00ATnospamiglou1>
I have not had the substansive angel experiences that others have shared
lately. My experiences of angels have occured in dreams mostly, either
using images of animals, strangers who offer advice, or just the overt
images of cherubim/seraphim.
The most recent experiences have been just an intuitive feeling of their
presence, or synchronistic events. For example: listening to a radio
talk-show on the subject while I'm driving and noticing that the car in
front of me has a personalized liscense plate that reads ANGEL,
walking down the street and seeing a child who's mother introduces her as
"Angel," and constantly running across references to them throughout the
day. Sort of letting me know that they are around I guess.
Paul
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlasmeowATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Nurturing the Light
Message-ID: <970522122320_88680686ATnospamemout19.mail.aol.com>
As I was teaching a children's Sunday school class the following analogy came
into my mind:
When we come to this earth we are like a little ball of clay. This clay is
clean and pure and glows with light. It is the same material that God is made
of.
Each time we make a right choice (thought, word, or action) the ball of clay
grows, and the light becomes more radiant.
Each time we make a bad (non-nurturing) choice, it is like we are rolling our
clay in the dirt. Pebbles and dirt embed themselves in the surface of the
clay, and make it hard to see its true, shining nature.
Our Creator wants to shape our clay into vessels of service. We are here to
learn and grow, and the best way to do that is through service.
If you want to make something out of clay you must work it first. The clay
needs to be kneaded and conditioned. It is very difficult to work with clay
that is full of pebbles and grit. Many of the people in this world start to
identify with the dirty crust on the outside of their clay. They completely
forget their true identity as children of God. They spend their lives feeding
their false selves with more wrong choices, until the clay is nothing but the
glue that binds the dirt together, and its light is all but extinguished. We
can purify our clay by asking the Creator to cleanse us, and turning away
from sin (non-nurturing choices).
The more we identify with our true, light-filled selves, the more we want to
nurture that light, and the less we want to make non-nurturing choices.
The
way the Universe conditions our clay is by sending us lessons. These lessons
take the form of problems (pain, crises, challenges, etc.).
As we learn to deal with these problems we grow spiritually and emotionally,
the same way muscles grow when they are put under the stress of exercise. We
live within a circle of past, conquered problems. This circle is our "comfort
zone". Situations located on the perimeter of this circle are challenges.
Healthy people enjoy challenges. These can take the form of learning a new
skill, solving puzzles, climbing mountains, and so forth. Situations BEYOND
the perimeter of our comfort zone start looking like problems, especially if
they are not there by (our) choice. The further beyond that perimeter they
are, the more likely we are to freak out and/or go numb.
By learning to incease our comfort zone, through solving problems and
learning new skills, God is able to shape us into unique instruments of
service. We are then able to help others to learn and grow, increasing their
comfort zones. This brings us all closer to each other and God.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I know that the subject matter is pretty elementary, but the kids were really
able to grasp the analogy. Sometimes I get tired of too much deep, mystical
discourse and enjoy getting back to the basics.Working with kids demands
sticking to the basics. Is anyone else out ther involved with teaching
children to nurture the God within themselves?
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:01:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlasmeowATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nurturing the Light
Message-ID: <970522130118_1855266949ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
I just got my own posting in the mail. I somehow managed to insert a huge
blank gap into the middle of the message. Please scroll down to get the rest
of the message. God must be teaching me humility through the arcane mysteries
of e-mail!
Love,
Ronnie Gee
Date: Thu, 22 May 97 17:42:36 UT
From: "ALEX LEEOR" <DansserATnospammsn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Seeing the light
Message-Id: <UPMAIL11.199705221753070225ATnospammsn.com>
Hello all. I've been receiving emails from this group for a few days. It was
quite a shock to get quite so many emails all in one day, but I am learning to
read them quickly and find the ones that I can connect to. What a good forum
this is...thank-you to all involved.
I wanted to share with you one of my experiences in India with light. I dont
know why it happened, but it was beautiful, and I wonder if it is linked to
Kundalini...
I was sleeping, when after about half an ahour I was woken by an intense
feeling of rising up, spinning etc. I have have this many times before, and
felt like I was going to leave my body. The usual mortal fear came to me, but
before it subdued the intensity, the fear dissolved and I felt warm and safe.
The feeling the took hold , and a very intense high pitched hum or buzz filled
my mind. Then I felt my spirit arms (this is how it felt) rise up, and my body
felt as though it was in the foetal position. As my hands reached outwards and
upwards, a bright white light came to me and filled me. It was beautiful ;-)
I shall keep reading your many ideas and letters.
My Love and Light
Alex
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:22:43 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: ALEX LEEOR <DansserATnospamMSN.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeing the light
Message-ID: <33841E71.2429ATnospamintercomm.com>
ALEX LEEOR wrote:
>
>
> I was sleeping, when after about half an ahour I was woken by an intense
> feeling of rising up, spinning etc. I have have this many times before, and
> felt like I was going to leave my body. The usual mortal fear came to me, but
> before it subdued the intensity, the fear dissolved and I felt warm and safe.
> The feeling the took hold , and a very intense high pitched hum or buzz filled
> my mind. Then I felt my spirit arms (this is how it felt) rise up, and my body
> felt as though it was in the foetal position. As my hands reached outwards and
> upwards, a bright white light came to me and filled me. It was beautiful ;-)
>
>
> Alex
Hi Alex,
This is pretty much the feeling when you are coming out of your body,
if you would have stayed with it you would likely found yourself in a
consciousness experience beyond this entry point, which is warm and
beautiful.
Fear and thought will break this connection every time.What we do in
the awakening process is give ourselves permission to recognize the
state of illusion we live in. Once that begins it is a process of faith,
trust, and empowerment. We gradually recognize how much this world runs
over into our spirit awareness, as in dreams when you will create a
bike, bus, or plane to move about in. In the awakened consciousness this
falls away because the soul/spirit realizes as spirit all one needs to
do is to spontaneously project and it is accomplished. Then one is ready
to self remember and the same realizations will apply in this world,
this is the process of awakening to your true self. Kundalini comes into
this through the empowerment stage. You hav been coming out of your body
every night you are just not awake enough to observe the comings and
goings. This is an important step in realization and often preceeds
awakening kundalini. Gloria
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:29:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Lizst
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970522152624.5733A-100000ATnospamdino.itlabs.umn.edu>
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The composer Lizst is the master of the muladhara chakra. With a theme
composition like 'The Faust' it was no surprise that as I was absorbed in
its sound that my upper abdomen area actually started feeling weird, and
actually hurt for awhile.
bye, nothing is
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:40:56 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Simply enlightened
Message-ID: <3384E798.218BATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Hi,
I have never met Thich Nhat Hanh and know very little about him. Having
read just one of his books I can only say he was one of those simple
individuals whose enlightenment shines through . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
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Thanks, Barbara. That's beautiful. Here's something else that isn't
funny,
but *I* find beautiful:
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Thich Nhat Hanh. _Teachings on Love._ Parallax Press, pub date July 30,
1977.
"In 1966, a woman poet took me to the Atlanta Airport and then
asked, 'Is it all right to hug a Buddhist monk?' In my country, we wre
not
used to expressing ourselves that way, but I thought, 'I am a Zen
teacher.
It should be no problem for me to do that.' So I said, 'Why not?' and
she
hugged me, But I was quite stiff. While on the plane, I decided that if
I
wanted to work with friends in the West, I would have to learn the
culture
of the West, so I invented hugging meditation.
Hugging meditation is a combination of East and West. According
to
the practice, you have to really hug the person you are hugging. You
have to
make him or her very real in your arms, not just for the sake of
appearances, patting him on the back to pretend you are there, but
breathing
consciously and hugging with all your body, spirit, and heart. Hugging
meditation is a practice of mindfullness. "Breathing in, I know my dear
one
is in my arms, alive. Breathing out, she is so precious to me.' If you
breathe deeply like that, holding the person you love, the energy of
care,
love and mindfulness will penetrate into that person and she will be
nourished and bloom like a flower."
Thich Nhat Hanh. _Teachings on Love._ Parallax Press, pub date July 30,
1977.
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