1997/05/21 10:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #243
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 243
Today's Topics:
Re: Wrongs and Wounds
The Goddess wants to play
Re: UN-subscribing
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Wrongs and Wounds
Fwd: Re: UN-subscribing
Re: UN-subscribing
Three quick questions, por favor!
Angels and K
mormonism and K
Re: question from a beginner...
How angels were made(nature devas)
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:37:00 -0400
From: "Larry Killen" <mosiahATnospammindspring.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Wrongs and Wounds
Message-Id: <199705210035.UAA29963ATnospambrickbat9.mindspring.com>
I too am Mormon. I am actually new to the faith. At it's deeper levels I
find close relationships with LDS and K manifestations. But already I have
encountered problems with my probing questions in the Elders Quorum.
Certain elements of the faith I find absolutely beautiful but at other
times I feel entirely oppressed. Internally I still progress on my own
path. I explained to the missionaries that I would never be able to leave
that path, converted or not! They assured me it was not necessary but
others have seemed to think otherwise. I would be interested in hearing
more about your relationship with K and LDS. I also belong to the Psychic
LDS list but participate little.
Namaste
Larry Killen
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> From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
> To: GlasmeowATnospamaol.com
> Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: Wrongs and Wounds
> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 11:02 AM
>
> GlasmeowATnospamaol.com wrote:
> >
> >. Much of my depression was centered on thoughts
> > about the physical, emotional, sexual and other abuse I grew up with,
which
> > left me feeling pretty much without worth. Out of desperation I turned
back
> > to my Mormon roots. I had had spiritual experiences in the past
associated
> > with fasting, prayer, and scripture study, and I knew they were
authentic,
> > even though much of the pain in my life was from the words and actions
of a
> > few uncaring church leaders and members. I spent literally hours each
night
> > pouring out my soul to my Father, alternately begging and demanding
relief.
> > What happened next was totally unexpected and beyond my ability to
fully
> > describe.
>
> While this was
> > happening I was guided to a book in thriftstore that I liked to go to.
Its
> > title was "Kundalini Energy and Christian Spirituality", by Philip St.
> > Romain. I opened the book and was amazed to see him describe some of
the very
> > same experiences I was undergoing. I was told that I shouldn't read the
book
> > until later, which seemed wise.Some of the phenomena that I experieced
> > included seeing visions of swirling gold shapes on a field dark blue or
> > purple. Sometimes the visions were like an animated stained glass
window,
> > with floral designs, or gear-like circles turning slowly. These were
visible
> > whether my eyes were opened or closed, and sometimes it seemed that I
could
> > see the room around me even when my eyes were closed. During this time
I
> > experienced really bad headaches at the crown of my head, which I
thought
> > were caused by fatigue until I read St. Romain's book.
>
> Ron,
> Philip St. Romain was a member of the list for a short time when we
> started it. He and I became friends and exchanged books. Since then we
> do stay in touch, he is a very beautiful person and his book brings
> kundalini and the Holy Spirt together which provides a solid teaching on
> kundalini.
> There is a tremendous amount to learn in relationship to kundalini and
> the movement on the path. It is a process that will take you through out
> your life time. It is really a matter of getting in touch within so that
> you can learn to accept what is happening and flow with whatever comes
> your way. It is important to monitor your thoughts and detachment from
> them, in this way you create a distance between you and what you think.
> Mediation increases your light in the body, helps you hold on to the
> light, and gives you the opportunity to shift the consciousness into
> spiritual realms. You will receive positive communication on the list,
> don't be afraid to ask for help. Gloria
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:29:18 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Goddess wants to play
Message-ID: <W20gHFA+WigzEwUWATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
The Goddess wants to play
and has been calling
as long as we can remember
in so many forms and ways
and each time we hurt her
we have had to learn that this is not the way
and that she likes to play
in her own mysterious way
and that in our Heart
all things are
right here,
right now,
or on their way
and go far deeper
than we will ever know
regards
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Tue, 20 May 97 21:44:15 EDT
From: Allen Weirick <AWEIRICKATnospamUGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: UN-subscribing
Message-Id: <970520.214604.EDT.AWEIRICKATnospamUGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Please also add me to the list of people who want to be unsubscribed from
this list - I was put on it by someone who wanted to harrass me. Thanks!
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:38:05 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, sks1ATnospampacbell.net
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <MAQGKIAtPkgzEwV0ATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <199705192317.NAA21069ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>, Karl
<sks1ATnospampacbell.net> writes
>Who knows the best pranayama (breathing techniques) for enhancing your Kundalini
>practice, or just general health?
>
pranayama can be both a boon and a potential danger
it should be practiced within an overall system of yoga working with the
body and mind as well as the breath
perhaps better simply to practice mindfulness of breathing and allow the
breath to calm down of its own accord and find a natural way of being
breathe through the nose
recommended method: on breathing in, say to oneself "breathing in"
on breathing out, say to oneself "breathing out"
gradually deepen awareness and allow the mind and body to become one
one can deepen the awareness further by exploring how the breath
connects us to life
all beings must breathe
when breath stops, so does physical and mental existence
the breath can soften, invigorate and warm the body
it can calm us
you can use this technique almost any time any place
it can become an anchor for your mind
so unless one has a very specfic energy imbalance and has sought expert
guidance, using pranayama techniques without a teacher or a background
in yoga may not be a good idea, especially if gleaned from a book or on
the net....
there are well-documented cases of people using pranayama becoming
psychically unbalanced and psychotic - see Sangharakshita and Paul
Brunton for instance
fire can warm you and also cook you alive.....
yogi beware, shakti bites if abused
BKS Iyengar goes so far as to describe mishandled prana as potentially
lethal in Light On Yoga, a powerful source of wisdom on Hatha Yoga.....
--
Tom Aston
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:12:10 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: sks1ATnospampacbell.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <33811631.2B05ATnospambridge.net>
> Who knows the best pranayama (breathing techniques) for enhancing your Kundalini practice, or just general health?
HI,
Pranayamas could be dangerous if not done correctly or guided by a
master. I advice you do the mantra Ham Sa which is very powerful.
You think Ham with the in breath and Sa in the out breath. Do this
meditation and if you can keep it up everytime you remember... That
awaked kundalini for me...The book of Baba Muktananda I AM THAT (HAM SA)
In light and service,
Lissette
>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:43:06 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Larry Killen <mosiahATnospammindspring.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Wrongs and Wounds
Message-ID: <3381FEC9.335AATnospamintercomm.com>
Larry Killen wrote:
>
> I too am Mormon. I am actually new to the faith. At it's deeper levels I
> find close relationships with LDS and K manifestations. But already I have
> encountered problems with my probing questions in the Elders Quorum.
> Certain elements of the faith I find absolutely beautiful but at other
> times I feel entirely oppressed. Internally I still progress on my own
> path. I explained to the missionaries that I would never be able to leave
> that path, converted or not! They assured me it was not necessary but
> others have seemed to think otherwise. I would be interested in hearing
> more about your relationship with K and LDS. I also belong to the Psychic
> LDS list but participate little.
> Namaste
> Larry Killen
> ----------
> > From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
> > To: GlasmeowATnospamaol.com
> > Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> > Subject: Re: Wrongs and Wounds
> > Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 11:02 AM
> >
> > GlasmeowATnospamaol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >. Much of my depression was centered on thoughts
> > > about the physical, emotional, sexual and other abuse I grew up with,
> which
> > > left me feeling pretty much without worth. Out of desperation I turned
> back
> > > to my Mormon roots. I had had spiritual experiences in the past
> associated
> > > with fasting, prayer, and scripture study, and I knew they were
> authentic,
> > > even though much of the pain in my life was from the words and actions
> of a
> > > few uncaring church leaders and members. I spent literally hours each
> night
> > > pouring out my soul to my Father, alternately begging and demanding
> relief.
Larry and Ron, Interested in the reactions from kundalini in the Mormon
Church. Do they recognize it at all? Phillip St. Romain is dealing with
it openly in the Catholic church as a lay minister and gets mixed
reactions which can be expected in any formal religion I would think. I
am quiet about my beliefs and experience with the exception of writing a
book and putting it out directly to the public. I have a friend who was
a priest in the church who is very open however.
I do believe there is a growing awareness out there that says we live in
a world that is changing around us, and therefore it is only normal that
the life we experience is going to break the existing paradymes, no
matter where they are. I was very happy to see that the Catholic Church
has opened up to eastern teachings enough to have retreats put on by a
priest that lived in India and studied with Masters there. He is
teaching contemplative prayer, or centering prayer which is very close
to our heart centered meditation. Gloria
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:42:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: UN-subscribing
Message-ID: <970521004216_-1163921007ATnospamemout03.mail.aol.com>
I did not write the attached message. (!!!!)
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please include me on the list of un-subscibing
thank you
Dee
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:43:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com
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Hi, folks--I do not remember writing this--what gives?
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:59:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: TKN <nakamurtATnospamucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Three quick questions, por favor!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970520232617.27424A-100000ATnospamucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Hello All!
I'm looking for verbs/nouns/adjectives that will help me understand (or at
least have an idea of what to go look up )three phenomenon that I've been
experiencing during meditation (so I can move past them...I find them
quite annoying)
First, what causes the (perception of) hissing sounds
that sometimes escalates to roaring (feels/sounds like a freight
train is speeding by)
Second, what is happening when the mind dissociates from physical
awareness? In this state, you can be aware that you've raised
your physical hand and scratched your nose, but there is no
physical sensation with the event- somewhat like being aware
someone else is doing it (this is not an OOBE).
Third, the physical perception of the head of a serpent which arches over
the crown during a K experience is ___(fill in blank)___ (sorry
for using metaphors here... I can't figgure out how else to
describe it). Is this the Uraeus serpent?
I hope this isn't off topic/bad form to ask for feedback here...I thought
that perhaps somebody has encountered these phenomenon and could give me
a clue....
thanks in advance
tammie
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:06:49 -0400
From: PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Angels and K
Message-Id: <E0wUC2T-0003aH-00ATnospamiglou1>
Hi, everyone! I hope this message goes through as I have trouble sending
directly from my email.
I would like to hear of others experiences with angels and K-energy.
Lately I have been having a number of synchronistic experiences with and
angelic presence.
Thanks!
Paul
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:15:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: RobynkujATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: mormonism and K
Message-ID: <970521092041_55007945ATnospamemout08.mail.aol.com>
Hi,
I too am mormon, although I no longer actively participate. I was raised in a
small mormon town in Utah, so my experience of "The Church" is somewhat
different than those outside of the state. I had many experiences which at
the time convinced me that the church was true (anyone having been to a fast
and testimony meeting
knows what I mean here) Testimony mtg is where members stand up and bear
their testimony that this is the only true church, etc., etc., Later as my
understanding grew from metaphysical study, and becoming more knowledgable
about other religions in general, I could see how cosmic experiences had been
described in "mormonese" making them appeear to members that the source of
these phenomena were the connection to God via the "only true church". When
Joseph Smith was visited by discarnate entities, this was to restore "Gods
only true church" to the earth. But of course, never say anything to church
leaders about channelling, or discarnate energies in your own life or you
would be seen as in cahoots with the "devil". In the beginning, the original
base of the doctrine contained many metaphysical concepts but as with all
religions has deviated somewhat by the influence of man. And because it is a
PATRIARCHY things have gotten convoluted so as to serve the male ego in the
name of God. Many a Church leader has caused much pain to members who had the
independence to speak out about things out of the norm. In my experience,
there are few forums for alternate views ( except underground ones for
members not yet ready to let go of their membership) Here in Utah it's more
than just a religion, it's much of the social structure. Non-mormons are
treated as outsiders and not "one of the club". (generally speaking of
course) Outside Utah it is different because mormons are the minority. In
Salt Lake it's not so much this way as in the small towns where membership is
70 % or more.
Just yesterday I was listening to a lady on the radio talking about how she
was chastised and later excommunicated because she spoke publicly about her
belief in a Mother in Heaven as well as a Father in Heaven. It is not one of
the more progressive religions. I*'m afraid anyone having a K experience
would have a hard time of it if they were to share this with leaders, as
there is little acceptance of experiences outside of the traditional ones
experienced by the middle-aged to old white males that contitute the final
say so.
There are many cosmic truths contained in the doctrine, but they are viewed
narrowly. For example, the wearing of garments (white) by those worthy enough
to get a temple recommend and go thru the appropriate ceremony in the temple,
is a protection to the wearer. Much ado is made about the care of them and
the markings on them etc.. But to me, this is just the concept that if you
surround yourself with protective white light, you are protected. But in
mormonese, you have to be worthy, do all the right things, get a paper from
the leaders, and wear the actual cloth. Just club membership mentality.
Anyway, I could ramble much longer but I must go to work.
I think of all the things I've seen on the K list, fellow mormons is one of
the most surprising. ;) Any more out there?
Robyn
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: question from a beginner...
Message-ID: <970521104405_876212820ATnospamemout06.mail.aol.com>
My personal opinion and practice is to do whatever works, as long as you
don't hurt anyone. The vibrations you feel may or may not be Kundalini, the
important thing is they are a something. The vibrations sound like a good
thing. Don't always try so hard to achieve one thing or another, just try to
achieve alittle more anything. Find what practices work well to generate
energy/prana, and try to do those. The most important thing is to listen to
your subconcious, it already controls you to some extent, just try and
understand what it wants you to do. It will lead you to the right practices
and the right meditations, and the right worship. To listen better to your
subconcious, think of you mind as a passive passanger riding in a car. Of
course it's actually your body, and not a car, but hopefully you get the
drift. Let your body decide when to move, how to move. It takes alittle
practice, but your subconcious is just you in a more connected state.
Anything you do in this state is something you would do in you concious
state.
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:57:28 -0400
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: How angels were made(nature devas)
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>And what is this "garbage" doing on the ars?
Hi Jim,
And what is this End Phenomina "garbage" doing here on ars?
This story, which happens to be true, is a result of Scientology
Processing,
of the Interiorization Rundown, run on me, it caused me to descend
into
my subconscious, meet my schitzophrenic voices, and pictures, inside,
and going on an extremely, Intense, Shamanic Vision Quest, which
lasted four and 1/2months,the beginning described in the short outline
about the Lion King, his
gift to mankind, Bts, or Baby Thetans, just like us, who are Angels,
cause, they
have not been born on this world, give them a break and treat them
right, a
few left in, causes Genious and Enlightenment of the 3rd kind, a few
more
may cause insanity, but if you have a master like I do, it does cause
you to be
a Lion Hearted Person, like me.That, Only, the ancient Sorcerers know
how
to deal with this, so, it is the cause of Greater Wisdom, and Love,
than you'll
ever know,if you stay here in ars, young man, take my word for it, and
understand, that this young woman is not your enemy, but your Friend,
and Allie, which means, someone, or something, that is strong in
teaching things you do not know, and I say this young man, because,
she loves you, so, if you knew, how much she loved you, she really
wouldn't have written this poem,and song, of Mystery, of an Angel,
stranded on the Sand, of this Island Earth, and then gave birth to
Mankind, as we know. I am just floating in Cosmic Consciousness, of
the One Great Kind, I know as Infinity, Oh, baby, I know, you see
Stars and Bars , I see God and Love,
Baby, Baby, I see you looking at me, wondering about Love, which is
the most
important element, that money can't buy, when you buy courses to
improve
your mind, and not your Heart, you're asking for trouble, believe me,
I have thought of that, and, you know what, that is the End of that,
forever, and ever, ever...
And, it is still going strong, thank God, with another More
Knowledgeable
Great Master Teacher rescuing me, and you all, from, the Insanity, of
the Int. RD, in Spirit, being very OT, Himself, He watched over me, He
watched over me, He watched over me, until, I got out of danger, and
even drilled me, over and over,how to be a Warrior, out of the God
Centered Love in His Heart, and Soul and Mind and Spirit, perhaps, put
in by an "Master" who is good at taking pictures from His Spirit's
Reservoir of Love, and, putting pictures in another endangered
spirit's memories, Knowingly.. A " Master" can put in Prophetic
Dreams, and Instructions, to save the life of your World, and our
dreams..This is called, the Highest Sorcery, in the World, High White
Magic, the Ancient Magic, of the Indians, South, of the border, from
the USA.
ver the aviary like a mad hornet, biting at me, and actually getting
me. My ear chomped on very hard.(on prior days, I felt energy
really surging up my legs up off of the ground. ) Energy
streaming all around in my body had a bell-like sound
and roaring so loud, it sounded like Lions. The
light energy was so intensely coming up from the earth, that
when Nana left, she co-erced me to “travel” with her, and we
did in the spirit, But, she told me I could get off at the last
minute, and I choose to, being very frightened, I did, with her
advising me in a warning, but kind voice, that I´d have to find
my way home from the spot where I left her, and her group
in the spiritual traveling mode of the light body. Thinking
I had escaped this powerful lady Sorcerer, I breathed a sigh
of relief, only to find her friend (her son, actually) inside, my
house, asking me why didn´t I go with her,and that he is
leaving to go home to a hidden ranch near San Luis Obisbo.
It was a secret, because, there-in she has a Clan of which she
is the Guru, and she does instruct, She teaches the magickal
Shamanistic Arts of Sorcery to ones who she does feels are
gifted enough to develope as future Illusionists,or
Shapeshifters,of the highest and Alchemists, or Light Energy
Workers, who evolve those who are Awakening, within, to an
Ancient Spirit,of the highest degree. Nana goes, but, Allan
stays, and follows me all over the house, so, I start packing,
because I am afraid that I may be kidnapped, and
would be further pursued, with an almost holy passion by
Nana and Allan, and chased. So, I went out with my friend,
thinking I would be safe, and he drove me to the nearest
airport, which was miles away. And, driving there, I saw all
these egg-shaped disks flying throught the airs, as the sun
went down, in cloud-like formations, swarming busily, in
clusters of communities.
ort;
We went to the airport, late at night, feeling the heavy
magnetic energy, all through my body, again, coming through the floors, I
got the tickets, and boarded. A very holy man
sat next to me, with the most melancholy beautiful eyes, his
soul sang of ancient Songs of Solomon, and he sat silently,
whispering songs of far ago times, he chimed up and down
the musical scales in strange harmonies of victories of
Spirits at the beginning of time. He spoke sweetly in verse
of the Battles of the darkness by light, and with his dark
cosmic eyes of Love, remembered the Lion of History. The
Lion Prophet, He was born from star dust of the Love of God,
so very long ago, He is ancient as the ancient of Days, and
a whirlpool of rapt compassion for all. He traveled through
the stars of night in the depth of the strarry skies, above,
and looked for a home for his Peoples, for so long, then he
reached the shores of the blue star of paradise, and descended,
and desended, in more ways that one. He transformed, and
became more darkness,than light, he was light before, now
he can be a King on the earth”s twilght shores, a sad story to
most, but he knows the rest would be light upon light of
blessings for the creatures who rest and walk the earth in
the garden of Eden. The Snake in the garden was the most
misunderstood of the beasts, he was a snake of enlightment,
the kundalini light energy of the Goddess the earth. So the
children of the earth partook of the knowledge of light and
darkness, guided by the serpent of light, and soon was ejected
from the garden of etherial delight. When they walk forth,
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