1997/05/19 20:54
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #240
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 240
Today's Topics:
Re: Sophia
Re: on being Human
Re: Returned mail: User unknown
Re: Emotional wisdom
Aleister Crowley on Yoga.
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Re: Emotional wisdom
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:19:35 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
CC: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sophia
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>
> Mead, G. R. S. (1921) Pistis Sophis: A Gnostic Gospel. New York: Spiritual
> Science Library.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken
Info for all about Pistis Sophia:
Key in these words to Alta Vista or one of the other search engines and
it will pull up the whole book found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is a
wonderful book to read. I copied it off and read it. Gloria
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:30:56 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
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Subject: Re: on being Human
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>
>
> > What I can attest to after the past 26 years of conscious attention on
> > the path, is that spirit (which is the dynamic creative intelligence
> > that we call the universe, among other things) is beyond feelings and
> > mind, and is therefore neither logical nor bound by emotions, no matter
> > how totally human we become.
>
> What you say is perfectly true. Spirit is also amoral in some aspects
> and can be perverted to lower uses. Therefore the perfection of the
> human qualities is so important. It is also true that the more subtle
> aspects of the Spirit or Ka can not be bound or confined by the gross
> human mind and emotions. We try and perfect or refine ourselves to be
> aware of the subtle rather than the euphoric states that some see as the
> movement of the Spirit when in fact they are the distortion of the
> Spirit.
> The ideal awareness is centered on the Spirit (indeed is Spirit) and
> expressed through the Human.
>
> > As humans, we perceive the movement
> > (currents, rhythms, emanations, etc.) via the interface of the illusive
> > polar opposites and filter all of those perceived variations on the
> > cosmic melodies through our sensory systems. Our final interpretations
> > are mostly based on reality systems given to us by our cultures, which
> > often leave us little room to experience other "interpretations". I
> > have found that to the degree that we can become more of a witness
> > rather than assume a logical, "rational" posture about every moment, the
> > more the higher intelligence will reveal to our senses a more complete
> > connection (understanding) of the play of life that has unfolded in our
> > midst.
>
> Everything you say is true. The problem in the spiritual world is not
> peoples ignorance but their knowledge. They know bits and pieces. They
> have read of what constitutes wisdom of how a spiritual person behaves
> and so on.
>> Ed Jason
>From Gloria:
I agree with this conversation, I remember in my early twenties how
important the realization that my body was an instrument just like my
piano or accordion was. Only it was God using me to express through just
as I did these instruments, until one day I opened up to God expressing
through them also. This is the progressive nature of realization, at one
moment the mind is still in charge, but one day the human learns to sit
back and watch and learn and direct spiritual experience is underway.
Making room for the real teacher within is the step that forever changes
the quest. One may believe this in the mind and thoughts...but it must
be actualized through manifesting detachment and consistant action
centered on the creator, first cause, or God to me. Gloria
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:31:12 -0500
From: Max Prescott <sumacATnospamwin.bright.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Returned mail: User unknown
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>
> Hi Tom, another good book on Sophia is: "The Most Holy Trinosophia" by
> Robert Powell. It is a small book that is good. Love and Light,
> Colleayn.
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:28:49 -0400
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU> (by way of brenda asterino <brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Emotional wisdom
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Ken,
In some ways I highly appreciate the thread of your thinking process...and
agree... and then, ...
I really believe that people can reach a stage of high enlightment with true
prayer and meditation and that linear or a progression of stages is not
necessary in every path. Thinking is not necessary at all. Wisdom does
not generally come from thinking anyway. Being has nothing to do with
weighing and comparing.... but is just Being.
Brenda
At 04:45 PM 5/18/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
>WISDOM OF COMPASSION
>
>The integration of the intuitive and logical sides of the brain, the so
>called left/right brain parts allows a holistic thinking that has more
>inclusive and natural qualities.
<snip>
>Dry intellectual reasoning is as incomplete as emotional devotion. What
>has to occur is a merging of mind and emotional body. When this occurs
>we see a natural expression of the innate wisdom of physical existence,
>seeking ease of expression for both oneself and for others. This is why
>the enlightened are compassionate. They have integrated their minds and
>their bodies into a greater whole.
Dear Lobster,
I quite agree. I work with people who are disconnected from their emotions -
from their right brain. When assessed with measures that quantify
alexithymia (the inability to feel and understand emotions), these
individuals present with the same phenomenology as folks who have had
split-brain surgery, although, usually to a lessor degree. They have
interhemisphereic functional disconnection. -(Uoops - there goes my jargon
script again)- In other words, from their consciousness, in the left half of
their brain, where language and logical thought reside, they cannot access
the emotion centers in the right half of their brain.
This is also my problem to some degree. I am still hugging my redwood tree
about three times per week, and telling it I love it, and trying to feel or
sense its response. This may be helping, but I think this is a long slow
process. It took years to establish functional disconnection at a time when
my brain was far more plastic than now. Nevertheless, I remain optimistic.
The integration of left and right, logic and emotion/holism is something I
think of as horizontal integration. I suggest we also need vertical growth.
I believe human beings develop self-structure, embedded with negative
emotion, which they defend with denial, aggression, etc.. To the extent
these negative self-structures exist, one feels bad: depressed, anxious,
fearful. Vertical growth calls for reducing the existance of negative
self-structure, negative self-esteem, and negative self-concepts toward the
zero point.
But there's more. vertical growth also calls for the creation of positive
self-structures and the enhancement of scripts that call for the experience
of positve emotions: excitement and joy.
I have been thinking about the enlightenment process and wondering if one
can give up the self, give up ego, without first having completed some
degree of positive vertical growth. I think not, at present. I think one
must develop a degree of self-worth, feeling of competency, effacacy, even
pride, before letting go of self and ego, otherwise, the underlying systems
will be operating from a negative, unexciting, joyless dimension.
Your thoughts and the thoughts of all others on the list will be most welcome.
Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 14:34:42
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Aleister Crowley on Yoga.
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The Timothy Leary site has been updated with many new fine articles:
http://www.deoxy.org/nu.htm
Such as:
Aleister Crowley's book on Yoga:
>>>>2. When I first undertook the investigation of Yoga, I was fortunately
equipped with a very sound training in the fundamental principles of modern
science. I saw immediately that if we were to put any common sense into the
business (science is nothing but instructed common sense), the first thing
to do was to make a comparative study of the different systems of
mysticism. It was immediately apparent that the results all over the world
were identical. They were masked by sectarian theories. The methods all
over the world were identical; this was masked by religious prejudice and
local custom. But in their quiddity-identical! This simple principle proved
quite sufficient to disentangle the subject from the extraordinary
complexities which have confused its expression.
Blessings, Angelique.
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:51:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Karma
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Hi (k)ites,
On Sunday May 18 I ran the Bay-to-Breakers. Jogged actually - no
.. more like loped. Anyway, the race was interesting, but unimportant.
I have run it before and not have had this experience....
Within 30 minutes of completing the race I was almost stomped by a
horse and was stung by a wasp. I have never been stung by a wasp (once
40+ years ago by a bee that I was 'playing' with). And never had any
conflict with a horse or any other animal for that matter; ever. I was
walking by this horse, which was being led by its reins, when suddenly
it reared, wheeled around and tried to stomp me with its front hooves.
We are supposed to bring things on like this to ourselves ... any
thoughts? Why would I 'attract' not one, but two most atypical animal
attacks within minutes of each other?
Dan RF
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:19:15 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Emotional wisdom
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Ken McFarland wrote:
> This is also my problem to some degree. I am still hugging my redwood tree
> about three times per week, and telling it I love it, and trying to feel or
> sense its response. This may be helping, but I think this is a long slow
> process. It took years to establish functional disconnection at a time when
> my brain was far more plastic than now. Nevertheless, I remain optimistic.
You are right to remain optimistic. Some of us for various reasons feel
we are not worthy of Love. We *are* worthy and deserving. We have to let
the past go and prepare and create a better future. That means taking
risks and deciding to make a commitment to change. It may mean therapy,
enrolling in classes, going on a retreat, doing chanting, meditation,
joining a group - whatever. It may be as simple as saying I need help.
People want to help each other, they want to offer frienship, nurturing
and Love.
> But there's more. vertical growth also calls for the creation of positive
> self-structures and the enhancement of scripts that call for the experience
> of positve emotions: excitement and joy.
> I have been thinking about the enlightenment process and wondering if one
> can give up the self, give up ego, without first having completed some
> degree of positive vertical growth. I think not, at present. I think one
> must develop a degree of self-worth, feeling of competency, effacacy, even
> pride, before letting go of self and ego, otherwise, the underlying systems
> will be operating from a negative, unexciting, joyless dimension.
People seek enlightenment when what they really want is attention,
approval, feelings of self worth, emotional integration and so on. I
think your realisation of the neccessity of an integrated psyche is
important. You have a goal - I wish you every success.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:17:49 -1000 (HST)
From: Karl <sks1ATnospampacbell.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Who knows the best pranayama (breathing techniques) for enhancing your Kundalini practice, or just general health?
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:47:26 +0000
From: abstruseATnospamaristotle.net
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Subject: question from a beginner...
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Hi everyone!
I'm new here, and I'm not very experienced with kundalini energy, as a matter
of fact I just started experimenting with it. I had a really weird experience
last night- I think I might have actually _felt_ something!! I was attempting
to focus and trying really hard to concentrate, but drifted off to sleep. I
awoke about an hour later with this strange sensation, a sort of speeding/
vibrating feeling throughout my whole body. Scared the **** out of me.
I'm asking all of you experienced list members to advise. Was this actually
kundalini, or something completely different? I'd appreciate anything you might
have to offer as to an explanation. I'm hope to learn alot from the group, and
I'm really looking forward to getting to know everyone better!
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:23:18 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: abstruseATnospamaristotle.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: question from a beginner...
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abstruseATnospamaristotle.net wrote:
>
>
> I'm asking all of you experienced list members to advise. Was this actually
> kundalini, or something completely different? I'd appreciate anything you might
> have to offer as to an explanation. I'm hope to learn alot from the group, and
> I'm really looking forward to getting to know everyone better!
>
>Well it is starting, but I wouldn't force it. REally this is something you obtain deep respect for, so the thing to do is ask to be shown spiritually. With the cosmic energies coming in, it will start up on its own, it doesn't need any manipulating to get there. Gloria
Welcome, hope you find this enligtening, and a way to meet some great
people that are a little wierd also. Gloria
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:55:04 -0400
From: brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com (brenda asterino)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: question from a beginner...
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>Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:54:23 -0400
>To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
>From: brenda asterino <brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com>
>Subject: Re: question from a beginner...
>
>I agree with Gloria..... but as a side issue... I think it interesting
(course, I've only been here a few days) that no one talks about chakras,
etc. Do you know if all your chakras are open and balanced? Some
additional advice to Gloria's would be not to do any drugs and drink lots of
water. I don't personally understand completely about the importance of
water, but since I have been told that for years.... and it does "seem" to
make a difference in practice... it is added.
>
>Those who have taught me emphasize that prayer and meditation are important
for keeping you and this activity balanced. My personal experience has
been that prayer and meditation beat out all other exercises and activities
(even the water one...lol). In everything I have experienced and in things
read and talks with priests, monks, etc.... most experiences are similar
no matter what religious background. This is very comforting ...and
exciting to me.
>
>Love, Peace, and Joy
>
>Brenda
>
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:11:03 -0400
From: brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com (brenda asterino)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: for your information
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Just thot I would post this in case someone was interested....found in my
_Noetic Bulletin_.
"Kundalini Research: The Kundalini Research Network announces the award of
$500.00 for an outstanding thesis completed and presented in 1996 or 1997 in
partial fulfillment of a doctorate or masters degree. Submit two copies of
the title page, abstract and bibliography by August 1 to KRN Award
Committee, Box 1150, Cupertino CA 95015; phone/fax 408-257-6241."
Brenda
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