1997/05/12 23:26
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #228
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 228
Today's Topics:
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Jason's story
Re: A story RE: Prozac and K
Re: A Global Kundalini Manifesto for the West - a taster
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: A Global Kundalini Manifesto for the West - a taster
Re: Newbie to Kundalini List
Re: Prozac and K
Re: Prozac and K
Re: MS
Re: Attitude
Re: A story RE: Prozac and K
Re: Meditation and pyramids
Re: Prozac and K
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:55:20 -1000 (HST)
From: aljo maliakal <AljomaliakalATnospambluewin.ch>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199705122355.NAA25349ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Iam 37 years old married, two children. Practiced kundalini meditations
from 1978 onwards. First experienced kundalini awakening in 1982 when
I study my university degree in kerala India.
My experience is that when I practice meditation any methods whether I
listen spiritual songs some energy or sensation will flow from the end
of spine to upward into the brain. When it reach in the brain I feel
bliss.That time whole body hairs will stand. I can bring this experience
when I practice any time. After this I feel very pieceful or relax.
by Aljo maliakal. email:aljomaliakalATnospambluewin.ch
12-05-1997. Switzerland.
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:01:13 -0700
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Jason's story
Message-ID: <3377CB69.1B01724ATnospamsirius.com>
Jason <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch> wrote:
[SNIP]
>At the bottom, my dilemma became quite existential as a became aware of my >position. Nothing mattered. It didn't matter what I did, it would be >quickly forgotten in the vast expanse time. How utterly hopeless.
>BUT
>I had a slow realisation that if nothing mattered, if I could not make one >iota of a difference in the universe then I could do what ever I wanted and >it would not matter. I could turn the coin over and be perfectly happy in >isolation, in misery, in dispair and that would not matter either. I could >gleefully destroy my possessions and that would not matter. I could be >very very happy that nothing at all mattered. This was quite liberating at >the time believe or not.
[SNIP]
Yes, I do believe it! What you're describing also goes by the name:
*detachment*. It's been said that certain kinds of depression come from
expectations (conscious or not) that things (events, relationships, outcomes
of many types) need to be a certain way. Or from a related sense or belief
(again not necessarily conscious) that it's *MY RESPONSIBILITY* to "do
things right" so that these expectations are met. I think that when the ego
is finally convinced that letting go of its death grip on the reins of life
is not only *okay*, but *much advised* it feels very liberated indeed.
Jason: that was a hell of a post. Thank you for letting us hear about your
experiences.
Paul
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:23:42 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Jason <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
CC: "'Kundalini'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A story RE: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3377602D.7231ATnospamintercomm.com>
Jason wrote:
> But now, instead of covering that back up and smiling and being Spriritually Correct again, I take my time and examine it, to know it and love it. I have all the time in the universe.
>
> And these days I have realised that there is that dark place still inside me. I have realised that our effusively happy culture, our culture that insists on happiness, is only part of the total picture. I have realised that in my attempts to exorcise that darkness I overlooked the possibility that I might love that darkness, it being part of me. It being part of all.
>
> I discovered firsthand the nature of duality. Extreme right looks like extreme left. Extreme darkness looks like extreme lightness. Love and fear. The enlightened and the fool. When you arrive at one extreme, you are only a small step from the opposite.
>
Gloria responce:
This is the beginning of detachment,having the ability to observe
&confront, without judgment puts you in the place to expand in
consciousness. When people see ups as the counter point of downs, both
illusions are recognized. It is often due to extreme emotional
tendencies that one goes down into the basement of the mental/emotional
bodies.
It is easy for most to desire and want the good things, excitement,
pleasure, success, achievement...which comes with the elation of the
fulfillment of a want or desire. Since this is all programed to be
pleasant it is experience as a plus, but when things don't go as
planned, or nothing really comes together in a positive way, the
opposite happens only this is not pleasant, and the darkness invades the
mind/body, this is unpleasant, heavy, sad.
These two extremes are the illusion, when an individual really
understands how they create the imbalance, he or she can moderate the
thoughts, emotions, etc. And even out, just the mere act of awareness,
understanding that the desire for the high which is extreme, manifests
its opposite also.
In this way, when something goes well and the mind, emotions get
carried away...the observation will neutralize the high. One will feel
good but not estatic, and the flow will be experienced as a peaceful
joy. This will eventually release the need for the extremem low, as the
disaster comes along, again having made observation a real aspect of the
moment to moment life, the need to become depressed will disolve and
instead of hitting bottom one will simply observe a kind of sad maybe
quiet period. This will pass quickly since the illusion has already ben
recognized.
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:37:36 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Global Kundalini Manifesto for the West - a taster
Message-ID: <3377636E.460DATnospamintercomm.com>
Great article Tom. It is amazing the vibration that spirit creates, it
could have been something I wrote, even the phrasing is similiar. This
information is ready to be heard more all of the time. Transformation
comes when enough folks have entered into learning to neutralize self
creation so that light enters to regenerate life. Gloria
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:41:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: AljomaliakalATnospambluewin.ch
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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aljo maliakal wrote:
>
> Iam 37 years old married, two children. Practiced kundalini meditations
> from 1978 onwards. First experienced kundalini awakening in 1982 when
> I study my university degree in kerala India.
> My experience is that when I practice meditation any methods whether I
> listen spiritual songs some energy or sensation will flow from the end
> of spine to upward into the brain. When it reach in the brain I feel
> bliss.That time whole body hairs will stand. I can bring this experience
> when I practice any time. After this I feel very pieceful or relax.
> by Aljo maliakal. email:aljomaliakalATnospambluewin.ch
> 12-05-1997. Switzerland.
Aljo,
Welcome to the list, we have quite a diverse group that comes together
in love from all over the world. You will be able to help bridge the gap
between philosophies, spiritual beliefs etc. My name is Gloria. I've
been on the list since it started, nice to meet you. Gloria
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:34:17
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Global Kundalini Manifesto for the West - a taster
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970511193417.3237a0f8ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Yikes!!!
Please do allow me to clarify! I don't want folks to be afraid to post
stuff!!
I an trying to cut down repetitive stuff and posts that are best sent
direct, NOT genuine experiences and revelations of K.!! Send 'em in!
And I am likely to be posting major long stuff that is about the
equivalent of a digest myself, today. I have been writing and thinking all
weekend, but only posting minimal business. I am keeping an eye out for the
next digest to come out, so I can be sure of my stuff all landing in the
same digest.
I get the digest as well as the list, so I have an advantage that way....
Snipping very long posts into installments is a good idea, try not to
send packets longer than 10 K. (she said, guiltily thinking of her own post
that is 17k..) because the way the digest works, it sends out stuff every
32k. If it is up to 20k when a 17k post comes in, it will send out the 20k
as a digest and start anew with the 17k post.
(If someone busts the rules and sends a post with a 40K image attached,
the poor computer just goes crazy....I smacked Jon Locke's fingers this
weekend... he forgot again. He ends his apologies to the Listmembers he
inconvenienced.)
So getting more and smaller digests is an annoyance for folks who are
getting the digest to cut down on their mail, but it is not such a big deal
that folks need to be scared to post. No no no... send it on, by all means!
I am sorry if I have inadverdantly given the impression that I was out
for blood.
If folks are scared to post, then we have no list. Disaster the other
direction.
I think I need a vacation...
At 21:40 12/05/97 +0100, Tom Aston wrote:
>Here is something on the BIG PICTURE and kundalini i'm developing into a
>book and articles.
>
>There is another four pages to add to this one, but in light of
>Mystress's warnings i dared not post any more ! and even this could get
>me into trouble.
>
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:48:48
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Jackie Nusz <dcn314ATnospamsprynet.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Newbie to Kundalini List
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At 09:22 11/05/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>I have one question, now that I think of it: Someone was talking about
>talking to her "Slave". What is meant by "Slave"? Please enlarge on this
>concept for the benefit of the all or email me privately at your
>convenience. Thanks.
>
>Sincerely,
>Jackie Nusz
>Boulder, Colorado
>*****~~~******~~~~******~~~~*****~~~******~~~~*****~~~~~******~~~******~~~~*
>*****~~~~
>See Bridge Home page at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/7702/
>
>
Hi Jackie:
Welcome to the List! I will try to explain.. I hope you don't shock
easily.
If you do shock easily then simply know that I am a Dominatrix, and slave
is the proper term for those who choose to serve me. Delete the rest of the
post if you do not wish to know more. If you do, scroll down to the next
screen.
K awakened folks really do come all shapes and sizes.... my explanation
is not really shocking and not at all pornographic, but I am cautous not to
offend with my alternate lifestyle.
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the term "slave" was used by me to refer to one of the four indidividuals
who I am in a relationship with, I am their Mystress/owner/spiritual
tutor.... and to also refer to one ghost slave who returned to me after his
unexpected death in Dec. and asked to continue to serve.
He had been down the white light tunnel and asked to come back and hang
out with me, again. So I let him. It is a little strange, but as we had
shared so many past life memories back thru the centuries in which he had
served me as student, assistant, slave, before he died, it is apparent the
bond between us is stronger than death.
It kind of expands into a much bigger picture when I ponder that there
are individuals who have "served" me in other lifetimes and have come back
to do so again.
Who I am that I have followers following me thru through my lifetimes,
is another mystery to ponder. It boggles my mind sometimes. Mostly I am
used to the idea.
My slaves are all unique and amazing people.
I get lots of slave applications, but I am very choosy about whom I will
choose to lead, and take on so much responsibility for.
I also enslave folks an hour at a time, professionally.
It pleases them and satisfies their unique emotional needs, to feel they
are "owned". Each of them spent years seeking a Dominatrix like myself to
"give" themselves to, someone whom they felt they could trust with their
mind, body and feelings. The slave chooses Mystress, as a puppy chooses
it's Master. I do not mean that in a demeaning way, it is a friendly warm
metaphor, in my world.
Actually, I do have one slave I named rover, who prides himself on having
excellent canine "women's best friend" qualities of loyalty, obedience,
faithfullness, and since I have spent much time opening his psychic
abilities, he is a guardian watchdog on many levels. I pleases him to think
of himself as a giant rottwieler, expertly trained and docile at the hands
of his Mystress, but a ferocious protector.
His feelings about this relationship in his own words:
>It feels good! i feel owned, cared for, loved, appreciated,
>possesssed. i feel more intensely now that i have become the slave i
wished to
>become and am privileged to serve the Mistress whom i was meant to serve and
>am the property i was meant to be.
>
>i not only like, desire, or wish to feel that i am owned. i wish to be owned.
>i love being owned by You. It is not only desire but necessity. i am only
able
>to fuction freely and be happy within the context of being under contract,
>within the confines of a committed relatioship. What can be more committed
>thanbeing a slave owned by an appreciative, powerful Mistress Who has the
>means to enforce Her dominion over me as well as maintain Her control and
>ownership. i fantasized that i could be happy only under such circumstances.
>Now i know that i m deliriously happy being a slave tightly controlled,
>expertly trained, sensitivly handled by an appreciative and possesive
>Mistress.
>
>i could never truely imagine such a state of being because i could not
imagine
>there being a Woman to whom i could genuinely submit. i am glad beyond
measure
>to have met and been claimed by You. Being Your property now for the better
>part of one year and convinced of Your resolve to keep me i can imagine no
>more a state of being other than as Your slave as i could my present position
>prior to having the good fortune to have met You. i love being owned. i need
>to be owned i cannot exist in the vacuum of "freedom". The collar and now the
>ring mean everything to me. They provide meaning, reassurance, confidence and
>strength of character, peace of mind. Thank You Mistress for all that which
>You have provided.
>
<erotica snipped>
>- a more obedient, responsive slave so that i may be granted the opportunity
>toserve You more effectively and readily in the manner of Your choosing. For
>You to do so is Your birthright and my hope.
>
>Your's, as always, eternally; with love, fidelity & gratitude - r.
>
It is a role playing game, in this life. My role is to care for the
unique emotional needs of these individuals, and their role is to
contribute to my wellbeing in any way that they are able that does not
cause them excessive hardship.
They are free to say "no" to me, but I know that saying no to me is very
difficult for them, and causes them emotional distress, feelings of failure
and fear of disappointing me...and so I do not ask them for things that
they are unable or unwilling to provide. Nor do I punish them for
disobedience or disappointing me.
The bond of service is "reverent", they follow from love and respect,
not fear.
I own them as much as they believe I do. Awed by their gift of
themselves, I use my control to shape them into the best themselves that
they can be, like a good mentor.
The molding of that clay is my finest art. When I met rover... actually
before I met him, he was so far removed by cynicism and disappointment from
a spiritual life that following my written instructions that he read the
"Celestine Prophecies", I got back a lengthy letter criticising the plot!!
Now he is K. awakened, aware of God.Goddess within, and experiencing an
internal peace he never thought possible.
I have a slave I call raven, and tho she is a submissive maschochist, my
own intuition has been clear from the very beginning, that her passion for
me is a way for her thunderingly awakened K. to bring her into the
prescence of the K. Guru (me!) that she really needs to integrate her
process.
As my own process continues, more and more my Dominance moves from the
realm of fetish and into the realm of spirit, as it has been in other
lifetimes. Mystress/slave, teacher/student, Master/seeker, Guru/follower,
Priestess/acolyte.
The wonderful thing, is how much I learn as I teach. I like it when they
ask tough questions, it makes look deep into the internal space where the
answers lie, and I discover how much I know. Beautiful!
Blessings, Angelique.
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:10:44 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3376A654.2CCEATnospambridge.net>
> If I believed all I was, was this temporary body that's
> going to die, I'd be depressed too.
>
> So while so called "modern medecine" (which often times isn't
> either) keeps him alive, he's still sick.
>
> Spiritually sick.
>
> Maybe not for everyone with a chemical imbalance, but I'm guessing
> many, would be physically healed if they were spiritually healed.
>
> Just a thought.
A very valuable one. Like you said... Prozac hasn't cured him and I
there are a lot of cases that have committed suicide with this drug. It
has a lot of side effects that sometimes are worse than the initial
problem. Has he been interested in another type of help? There are other
therapysts that dont prescribe drugs that can treat him, mascarading the
spiritual at first, until he can wake up a bit.
another thought..
Lissette
>
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:25:00 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
CC: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3376A9AC.5E15ATnospambridge.net>
Ken said,>
> In 1989 my thyroid gland was surgically removed.
> I now take a synthetic thyroid hormone every day.
> Without it I would die.
>
> Is this OK.
>
> How is thyroid hormone replacement different from serotonin enhancement?
Hi Ken,
I did not mean to put down "all medical drugs" I meant "psychiatric
drugs." My, this is a touchy subject, I know, but I haven't heard of
anyone getting cured with them, and on the other hand I know plenty
horror stories from psychiatric cases, that have received "treatment"
from the hands of "psychs". I am all for regression, hypnotism, therapy,
counseling. But when it comes to electroshocks,and their most recent
drug discoveries, in my opinion, we should look for other
alternatives... there are other ways...remember that they believe that
the mind is the brain... and that is "all" there is... why trust them
with your life..? (Bryan Wise, the author of Many Lives Many Masters,
was considered a "nut" by his coleagues for writing about past lives and
"masters")
At your service.
LISSETTE
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:25:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: TPp40ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: MS
Message-ID: <970513012513_1041472335ATnospamemout05.mail.aol.com>
add the B complexes to his daily routine, suprising how find a machine the
parifiral extensions also known as arms and legs are.
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:25:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: TPp40ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Attitude
Message-ID: <970513012515_1820951120ATnospamemout07.mail.aol.com>
thank you for the solidifing work
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:56:49 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Jason <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
CC: "'Kundalini'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A story RE: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3376B121.15F3ATnospambridge.net>
> I had a slow realisation that if nothing mattered, if I could not make one iota of a difference in the universe then I could do what ever I wanted and it would not matter. I could turn the coin over and be perfectly happy in isolation, in misery, in dispair and that would not matter either. I could gleefully destroy my possessions and that would not matter. I could be very very happy that nothing at all mattered. This was quite liberating at the time believe or not.
>
> Over time, I found other things I could be happy about that would not matter in the least. And these things became more and more what is considered "normal" and "healthy." Things like learning, music, travel, and, yes down the road, even Love. Indeed, I became effusively happy!
>
> The failing of a powerful imagination is believing you are happy, believing your kundalini has awakened, believing you are enlightened and that you have left all the bad stuff behind. I see it again and again. I believe that I am fully in the present, imbued with peace, power and love, when without warning something ugly roars out of the past and I go into an ego tailspin.
>
> But now, instead of covering that back up and smiling and being Spriritually Correct again, I take my time and examine it, to know it and love it. I have all the time in the universe.
>
> And these days I have realised that there is that dark place still inside me. I have realised that our effusively happy culture, our culture that insists on happiness, is only part of the total picture. I have realised that in my attempts to exorcise that darkness I overlooked the possibility that I might love that darkness, it being part of me. It being part of all.
>
> I discovered firsthand the nature of duality. Extreme right looks like extreme left. Extreme darkness looks like extreme lightness. Love and fear. The enlightened and the fool. When you arrive at one extreme, you are only a small step from the opposite.
>
> And so again, I travel to those depths, but this time in full awareness, with power and love, with full self-responsibility, and with tools such as yoga, to gain the totality of myself. This, I believe, is healthy.
>
> I would encourage depressed people to fully experience their condition regardless of whether our culture is effusively happy, tells us to take Prozac, or recommends we seek "professional" help. The answers are within us all, even the severely distraught. But to find the answers within, it would help if they were given the space in the cultural context to see themselves not as monsters, but as human manifestations of all.
>
> Daring Love.
> Zympht.
I totally agree with you...I had the "dark night of the soul myself" and
handled it, it was hell on earth, but there is an exit available.
This what this list is all about, sharing and helping each other.
I love you guys,
Lissette
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:15:55
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Meditation and pyramids
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970512011555.395f6b12ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Are you on the net?
A websearch on the topics you suggest will unearth weeks of reading.
A good place to start, tho is spiritweb.org
They are spiritual central, loads o' stuff, and it's a searchable site.
There are quite a few books out on "pyramid power", as well.
They give instructions on how to build a pyramid and align it correctly,
it needs to be turned towards magnetic north, I think... and there are
lists that deal exclusively with the topic of the egyptian pyramids, and
using pyramids for healing and meditation.
And a newsgroup, if you get newsgroups...
They are very powerful, Barbara Marchiniak's Pleiadian books were
channelled shortly after she had an awakening experience connected with the
Egypt pyramids.
At 15:31 12/05/97, Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
>A long time back there was a Reader's Digest article on the magical/mystical
>powers of pyramids, how the ancient Egyptians had discovered the powers of
the
>pyramid and how a pyramids with specific dimensions can help intensify the
>Cosmic energy. <snip>
>Anyone here knows anything about it ? How one such structure can be built
for
>meditation ?
>
>Love and cheers
>Ashanka
>
You might want to go to reference.com and do a search of the 150,000 lists
archived there. Their URL is in my sig.
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:29:05 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
CC: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3376B8B1.7CCAATnospambridge.net>
> NO, NO, NO
> Anti-depressants are not used to numb symptoms.
> The way I see it, anti-depressants provide a platform to stand
> on while struggling to find the way to shore. When one needs
> to heal the deep underlying causes, there can be a need for
> some kind of support to prevent one from drowning.
>
> While it may be the case that some people take anti-depressants
> without delving into the deep work needed to heal, I suppose
> that is a personal choice, but is not the case for all.
>
> I smoked pot for years as a medication, and then when I got ready
> to do the deep work, I gave up pot, and upon entering into a
> severe depression received anti-depressants... and if it were not
> for the medication who knows if I'd still be alive.
Well Im sorry to say, but lets all depend on drugs for our well being,
lets get up with amphetamins, lets go to sleep with sleeping pills, lets
take our hunger away with diet pills, we live in an instant relief
world, instant cofee, instant food, instant relief...
The "psychs" know little about the mind, if we use such a small
percentage imagine how ignorant we are about curing our unwanted
emotions with drugs. In the future all this is going to seem like the
"hole in the head" that the early "Psychs" used to drill in people's
heads, to relieve mental disorders.
I am sure you would be still alive, you would be surprised how strong we
really are, when we need to be.
>
> It was only after opening to the deep inner work and actually
> concurrent with some of it that I began to experience what
> might be called kundalini. Had I stayed stuck in my vicious
> cycle of self-medication with the pot I fully believe I would
> not have had as major of an opening as I've had.
>
> I also feel that in some cases there can truly be a chemical
> imbalance and that it takes something to rebalance the chemicals.
> I would like to believe that eventually there might be a way
> to tell my brain to create and balance its own chemicals, but
> until that time I choose to use the medications as tools.
That is your choice....but believe me, it is very destructive. That is
my humble opinion. I am not talking about insulin for diabetics or
hormone replacement therapy, or Tylenol for a headache, we are talking
here about messing with your brain...we are in the dark ages with these
treatments.
>
> Lastly, I think that in that way-- medication as tools-- we can
> move forward with the life we choose to live.
If that is what you choose, good, that is your life.
> Through the use
> of prozac my life has become much more balanced and has allowed
> me further exploration of the energies than if I were not to
> take it. I do believe that prozac and kundalini can coexist
> happily, and I would hope that eventually my brain chemicals
> may become balanced just from the energy alone.
Sorry I disagree....
>
> We don't tell diabetics not to take insulin.
I answered that before and that is not what I am talking about, you know
it. But in my humble opinion, and knowing that you wont like it, you are
trying to justify your addiction to these "substances" .
> In light and at your service,
Lissette
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