1997/05/12 07:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #226
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 226
Today's Topics:
Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Re: Remaining on the list
Re: Remaining on the list/TENSION!
Re: please please make up - don't leave us Gloria
Re: please please make up - don't leave us Gloria
Re: exclusive admission
Re: Prozac and K
Re: Prozac and K
Kundlaini Awakening
Meditation and pyramids
Re: Prozac and K
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:22:31 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca>
CC: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com, rtrATnospammicron.net,
fullpubATnospamthegrid.net, V37PopsATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Message-ID: <3375C816.7411ATnospamintercomm.com>
Nancy Kar wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria,
>
> I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
> I agree with you... you cannot have the light without the dark. One
> defines the other. It's both sides of duality which is this world that we
> live in. You cannot have God:in it's many names.. without the devil:in
> it's many forms... which is even hard for
> me to swallow because I try and see the good in all that I meet and see.
> But some times the deep negativity just stares in your face and then takes
> on some form. I've seen it in myself and in others, but have never had a
> problems releasing these things... I usually qualify the releasing with go
> back to your origin or ask the angels to take it away and use their
> judgement as to where it needs to go.
>
> I think some may go a little overboard on demonology though. I have
> friends who everytime something negative happens they blame it on demons.
> They are mainly heavily Christian based in their views though.
Gloria wrote\
It is so true, you can look around and find someone who is out of
balance in any number of areas. Not directly confronting the shadow is
being in total denial of the process of death of self.
What I've been shown in this last dip of the flow is that right on our
list there are many differences in background, and because of this vast
ways for the shadow to work and manipulate. It is so very interesting to
me how very set groups become in their beliefs, I tend to get drug over
the coals by more tradionalists because I move about reading and
learning from wherever spirits takes me. I do this because I'm not
vulerable or looking for someting, but observing and looking at the
potenital for integration.
It isn't that simple of a task, we aren't just talking about the
structure or dogma in a particular group, Christian or Eastern, but the
web continues to wind through out other aspects of spiritual
consciousness. God's Will and purpose the only answer to this. Gloria
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:34:18 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list
Message-ID: <3375CAD8.60C9ATnospamintercomm.com>
Jeanne Garner wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria,
>
>
>. Please stay--pretty please?
>
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
HI Jeanne,
It will come out in the wash and we will all see the value in the
conversation.
God works in mysterious ways, that is for sure, and it is always
interesting to ride the crest of the wave & see what spirit is
manifesting. It has certainly been a strong wave and with that much
force behind it something of importance is coming in. Love to you r your
kindness. Gloria
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:54:48 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Spiral <spiral-3ATnospamworldnet.att.net>
CC: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list/TENSION!
Message-ID: <3375CFA5.26A1ATnospamintercomm.com>
Spiral said:
> There certainly is a big polarization of opposites coming down here. I
> also think that that can be good, IF THE TENSION CAN BE HELD!
> >From my perspective and worldview, new consciousness arises when opposing
> forces can be consciously acknowledged, articulated and held in dynamic
> relationship to each other. Out of this tension something new can emerge.
> I think this is a basic principle underlying creativity and growth in
> almost any area. After the new consciousness emerges, we can look back and
> say "Both stances were true AND
> neither were true. There is a greater understanding which encompasses
> both".
>
> The trick is for this list to act as a holding container for the tension in
> the mean time. I think it would be unfortunate if Gloria were to leave.
> This awful tension would dissipate, but the opportunity for new growth and
> perspective would be missed.
>
Gloria:
Good you got my point, it is when the positive and netative energies go
to work in the dance that spirit can work most effectively provided
souls are developed enough to ride it and remain detached. This is what
is missing in the world frequency. It is not about being right or wrong,
since there really is no such thing, it is about staying in the flow and
allowing the essence to manifest once the illusion has been recognized
and still keeping a consistance in energy flow.
This is how undoing comes about, life is ot so much about doing as it is
about undoing. I tend to bring the 'undoing in very strong because I
live inside the movement of Divine Will.' Those who I've worked with for
a long time understand the energy and move with it which keeps the
transformational love frequency at its high point. It then ripples out
in every direction. And, this isn't about any system of spiritual
awareness, it s about connecting into God's Will for humanity and
surrendering to its total light, love and power.
I believe from my experience that all thought of spirituality dissolves
in this movement so that all of it no matter how beautiful it appears is
gone. This is what I call trasformational love. Whenever negative energy
and this love frequency come together it is just a matter of keeping the
focus and awareness that is at work until the fruit begins to appear.
This is the fruit that only Divine Will can do because it is working
from every level at one time, both in and out of the bodies. Those who
recognize the light and love, while it may be scary at first, will never
be sorry. There is only one catch, the self goes into full undoing
....which can be rather exciting and sad during the breaking up . Gloria
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:24:13 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com, rtrATnospammiocron.net
Subject: Re: please please make up - don't leave us Gloria
Message-ID: <337600B7.1F73ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Tom Aston wrote:
> >
> > this is a public plea for Gloria to stay with us.......
> >
> > what's a little squabble and name calling between yogis ?
Gloria shares:
>
> What is life without direct heart to heart, blood to blood,
> conversation. My husband and I have a saying...'you can say anyting to
> anyone provided it is said with love.' I stand on that concept, so do
> believe me... disagreement, or the clash of fires doesn't upset me in
> the least.
> It is a total and complete illusion, but you must have detachment to
> know this. I am one who constantly enforces the conversation of
> detachment because if anyone is going to spend any time with me, they
> need it. I am the first to say this. Things tend to speed up within the high frequencies of Divine Will and detachment is the equalizer.
>
> I never know why I do or say anything, and I also never question it
> because God works the most amazing circumstances from total
> ambandonement to his will. I am 51 now, I began this integration into
> his/her will as a young one from a one word command... AWAKE. Once
> absorbed into it, there is nothing left to do anything different with.
> So, I guess what occurred through this dance... is I exposed more of
> this to all of you. I would have naturally snipped the posts if I had a normal mind with a full load concentrated on things held in creation, but I couldn't because it totally
> disappeared to my consciousness in the focus and energy coming in through the creative fire of the moment.
I am a wierd one, somethings I do things that seem silly, stupid, etc.
& it happens without any intent on my part. I do live on automatic
pilot, the worldly things get taken care of when and if it is suppose
to, and it is all lifted as it goes. Note:I am putting a yellow tabby on
my screen with , Gloria cut & paste. That should help.If I slip a gentle
reminder would be appreciated.
>
> God brought me a soul mate to live and take care of me, but we are wierd
> together as well. Our friends and families know this and support us in
> total within this experience.
>
> Because my life out of my body is as eventful as the one inside of it,
> I tend to bring the two together and this creates the tension. I have
> had many dreams/visions, and other direct experiences that have taught
> me about frequencies & this is what is true to me more then any
> religion, belief system, practice, discipline, etc. I experience things on both sides as notes, sounds, vibrations, frequencies. Some are high pure tones that are directly from the creative current of Divine will while all others are stepped down to the point in which they are dicolored, and out of tune as the illusion. The lowest frequencies are matter, and those elemental fires that are used to sustain creation. Much of creation is sustained as illusion because of the total focus of the population as being something separate from God.
Here is where it gets sticky for some of you, in the separation another
power appeared. Even though it is also nothing in its self it has
maintained the separation (as a part of God's Will also) up to its
ceiling. This is where the separaion manifested. And this is the force
that helps create and maintain the play, the game, which is a pawn of
sorts used to hold the illusion together.
As humans returning to God if that be the objective and mission, we are
brought to the pure fire of Divine Will where we only experience union
without a second anything. Even though a body is maintined to house us,
we can live in it sustained in union with the beloved, and absorbed in
the movement and life appears to continue. But, since it is now God
experiencing him/herself, the only real awareness is of now, movement,
being. But, since the moment is ever present it beocmes a dance, flowing
with life.
This is God as first cause which is omnipresent as lifeforce...pure
essence as frequency. This is creation itself. Nothing exists outside of
this, but in a three dimensional world it appears that life is created
on another level which is separate and not dependant on the first cause.
Some in this illusion acually believe in separation. To the extent that
this illusion is fed by mind, thought, concentrated effort from lower
energies focused on this creation, it would appear only in the certain
earth dimensions that it is true. In fact, it is not true, but those in
the illusion experience it as true, so in order to recognize what in the
self maintains the illusion, one must enter into duality to observe the
separate self maintaining the illusion.
It is only a stage but a difficult one to get through if you believe
yourself be a body with a mind, and an identity of self to hold the
package together.Once the undoing starts it is only a matter of time
however that enough of the illusion is adjusted to erase the cause so
that the effec disappears.
From my perspective there is only one major accomplishment to be
acquired in life, which is to live in love through the heart
> center, and to surrender to God.
> Those who accomplish this will find out things change... because this energy, in sustaining focus is transformation. It will wipe out the mind, thought, seeking, trying, wanting, and everything else that is held together from the mind as being separate from God.
> I see time as the death tunnel, time is nothing more then the soul at school out of the body which at some point will be fed to the conscious mind which then can match up this reality with what appears to be manifesting as the day time. When enough light comes through to sustain this awareness, night will match up with day & in balance both will cancel each other, the measurement is errased. Then life is...
> So in that we are nothing but beings of light in movement with God in an ever expanding experience as destiny as children of the first cause, we exist within God as consciousness. None of us exist in the third dimension other then through the sustained thought form of the mind, we are not separate because we are not anything but a creation of a self absorbed mind. Once absorbed in God, we exist as a projection of God loving himself/herself as vision of an ever expanding creation.
> Recognizing this if you can follow the flow... as the foundation of all existence... anything that the mind produces can only stay in its own atmostphere for as long as the separate self maintains the illusion.
Humanity has all the pieces to brng the undoing down.
> Once this energy is taken away every aspect of the illusion simply
> dissolves. Which is why I'm sitting along side of this breaking up process to observe what dissolved and what if anything has entered into transformation.
So, I can volunteer to do my best at this. And, Mystress will be most
happy with this I'm sure. Boy, are we an interesting bunch that God
brought together for something, won't it be interesting find out what
it is Love you all. Gloria
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:43:05 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com, rtrATnospammiocron.net
Subject: Re: please please make up - don't leave us Gloria
Message-ID: <3375DAF4.3149ATnospamintercomm.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
>
> this is a public plea for Gloria to stay with us.......
>
> what's a little squabble and name calling between yogis ?
What is life without direct heart to heart, blood to blood,
conversation. My husband and I have a saying...'you can say anyting to
anyone provided it is said with love.' I stand on that concept, so do
believe me... disagreement, or the clash of fires doesn't upset me in
the least.
It is a total and complete illusion, but you must have detachment to
know this. I am one who constantly enforces the conversation of
detachment because if anyone is going to spend any time with me, they
need it. I am the first to say this. Things tend to speed up with Divine
Will.
I never know why I do or say anything, and I also never question it
because God works the most amazing circumstances from total
ambandonement to his will. I am 51 now, I began this integration into
his/her will as a young one from the one word command... awake. Once
absorbed into it, there is nothing left to do anything different with.
So, I guess what occurred through this dance... is I exposed more of
this to all of you. I would have naturally snipped the posts if I had a
normal mind with a full load, but I couldn't because it totally
disappeared to my consciousness in the focus and energy coming in. I am
a wierd one, somethings I do things that seem silly, stupid, etc. & it
happens without any intent on my part. I do live on automatic pilot, the
worldly things get taken care of when and if it is suppose to, and it is
all lifted as it goes.
God brought me a soul mate to live and take care of me, but we are wierd
together as well. Our friends and families know this and support us in
total in this experience.
Because my life out of my body is as eventful as the one inside of it,
I tend to bring the two together and this creates the tension. I have
had many dreams/visions, and other direct experiences that have taught
me about frequencies & this is what is true to me more then any
religion, belief system, practice, discipline. Although at times I go to
church because it flows into my awareness, I am cerntainly not even
remotely close to From my perspective there is only one major
accomplishment to be acquired, which is to live in love, the heart
center, and to surrender to God.
Those who accomplish this will find out things change because this
energy wipes out the mind, thought, seeking, trying, wanting, and
anything else that can come around.
I see time as the death tunnel, time is nothing more then your
schooling out of the body that is focused on by the mind which then
matches up its creation to the same measurement in the body. When you
match them up in awareness, they cancel each other.
So, in that we are nothing but beings of light in movement with God in
an ever expanding experience that is our destiny as children of the
first cause. None of us exist other then in the mind, we are not
separate because we are not anything but an illusion of the mind.
Therefore anything that the mind produces can only stay in existence
through the energy holding it together from the self as the illusion of
a separate consciousness. Once that enery is taken away it will
dissolve.
The illusion of being separate from the creator as first cause... is
really the true evil in the world. This is the shadow manifest as
knowledge, belief, intellect, right, wrong,mind, self, consciousness,
power etc. In God we live, move have our being and those who have
entered the whole, God maintains as separate for the illusion, but in
fact, there is no separation because the illusion is only for divine
will and purpose. Those ascended Christed beings that have brought me
into this place of awakening don't exist as separate from God. No name,
thought, or anything because God is only experiencing himself in Divine
Will.
So in that this is experience, and I bring this intense realization
with each post, then perhaps you will have some compassion for my
ommissions since it is not done from thought. I will write a reminder to
myself on my computer so it is possible that it will get inside of me by
some miracle and once learned it will manifest. That is what has come to
me... Love to all of you. Gloria
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:34:42 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: exclusive admission
Message-ID: <3376032C.67FCATnospamintercomm.com>
To all of my dear friends on the list especially Angelique and any of
you that have lt put down my me, I do love each of you, and we will
catch the next wave with union and loving fellowship. I am blessed to
fly the skies with such a unique and diverse team. Gloria
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:02:17 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
CC: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <337560EA.2169ATnospambridge.net>
>
> Has anyone else heard of the study that showed Wellbutrin being very
> helpful to smokers trying to kick the habit? Was a random effect that
> appeared, much to the surprise of the medical community.
>
> Jason's left brain. ;-)
My believe is that any dependency on a drug is dangerous. Psychiatrists
are prescribing antidepressants, even to overwheight people, to anyone
with a problem, like you said, even smoking... I find that terribly
destructive to the brain chemical balance, it can cause permanent
damage...
Sorry but I am so against drugs, I have seen many people's demise with
them. Unfortunately us humans are the guinea pigs of all these new
"wonder drugs" until it is too late.... just my humble opinion.
At your service,
Lissette
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:10:09 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3376B441.19C0ATnospammail.snet.net>
Dolce Vita wrote:
> My believe is that any dependency on a drug is dangerous. Psychiatrists
> are prescribing antidepressants, even to overwheight people, to anyone
> with a problem, like you said, even smoking... I find that terribly
> destructive to the brain chemical balance, it can cause permanent
> damage...
> Sorry but I am so against drugs, I have seen many people's demise with
> them. Unfortunately us humans are the guinea pigs of all these new
> "wonder drugs" until it is too late.... just my humble opinion.
> At your service,
> Lissette
Hi,
My brother has bi-polar.
He uses 2 drugs. Prozac and insulin.
If he stops using prozac, he wants
to kill himself.
If he stops using insulin, he dies.
I agree the medical profession is drug crazy and
doesn't get to the root of problems.
The medical approach disregards Spirit.(How depressing!)
To be honest, prozac hasn't cured him.
He's still depressed and doesn't talk to family members.
I believe his real problem is the fact that he can't
acknowledge the unseen. If he can't see it in front of
his face, it doesn't exist. What I'm saying is he lacks
any sense or foundation in the spiritual.
If I believed all I was, was this temporary body that's
going to die, I'd be depressed too.
So while so called "modern medecine" (which often times isn't
either) keeps him alive, he's still sick.
Spiritually sick.
Maybe not for everyone with a chemical imbalance, but I'm guessing
many, would be physically healed if they were spiritually healed.
Just a thought.
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:29:33 +0200
From: Christian <reuplanATnospamreumiller.vol.at>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Kundlaini Awakening
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Hello !
I am new to the list, and my Englisch is not too good.
I am experiencing some things, where I dont know if they are from Kundalini or not.
I am a member of the the Deer Tribe Metis Medicine Socienty, AZ (they teach ancient wisdom, especially about Shamanism, healing, enlightment and they offer a lot of Ceremonies like Sundances, Sweat-Lodgees, Kachinas, ....)
We also work a lot with the Fire-Breath and also Heart-Pleasuring. (here I drain my Energy with the Breath into my Heart-Chakra and push the muscle of my first Chakra and then back to first Chakra. It is a very big thing to me because after draining the Energy 4 times up to my heart Chakra I have so strong orgasm´s that sometimes I almost pass out.
So you can imagine that I really honor that Gift from the great Spirit. It cleans up a lot of emotional Stuff.
So after exeriencing that breath for more than 6 Months I started having even stronger orgasm´s and also I really feel a lot of times during my every-day work that a strong Energy is rising up my back uo to my Crown-Chakra. It feels VERY good to me and my whole body is vibrating very strong.
I can stimulate this by pressing the muscle of the first Chakra and also I expereinced that If I listen to good music or have some Insights or if it is a bit cold outside that these things stimulate the energy rising up my back a lot.
I also feel that my Sexual-Orende is getting higher (I can make love to women many times and long times).
This experience really makes me happy !
So, can you tell me if what I am expereincing is a Kundalini awakening ?
Love and light
Christian Reumiller, Austria
Date: 12 May 97 15:31:40
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Meditation and pyramids
Message-Id: <9705121435.AA1997ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
Content-Type: Text/Plain
Hello friends,
Have been on this list for some time and have been getting lots of advise and
knowledge reading all the posts.
A long time back there was a Reader's Digest article on the magical/mystical
powers of pyramids, how the ancient Egyptians had discovered the powers of the
pyramid and how a pyramids with specific dimensions can help intensify the
Cosmic energy. It is an established fact the the Egyptians know about
k-awakening and the seven centers. Their crown with the snake on the forehead
denotes the K in the Anja chakra. There was also a mention of added help in
meditating inside pyramidical structures.
Anyone here knows anything about it ? How one such structure can be built for
meditation ?
Love and cheers
Ashanka
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:03:19 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: lissetteATnospambridge.net
Cc: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>, Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970512140319.00682cccATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu>
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At 02:02 AM 5/11/97 -0400, Dolce Vita wrote:
>Sorry but I am so against drugs, I have seen many people's demise with
>them. Unfortunately us humans are the guinea pigs of all these new
>"wonder drugs" until it is too late.... just my humble opinion.
>At your service,
>Lissette
In 1989 my thyroid gland was surgically removed.
I now take a synthetic thyroid hormone every day.
Without it I would die.
Is this OK.
How is thyroid hormone replacement different from serotonin enhancement?
Sincerely,
Ken
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