1997/05/11 10:21
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #224
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 224
Today's Topics:
Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
exclusive admission
please please make up - don't leave us Gloria
Re: Remaining on the list/TENSION!
Re: Remaining on the list
Re: Remaining on the list
Re: Remaining on the list/TENSION!
some questions
Steve's Question #3
Newbie to Kundalini List
Right for Scooby-Doo? An additional View :)
My Views on: Remaining on the list
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:19:04 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Message-ID: <3375E368.2B15ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
> Gloria Greco shares to the list:
> Its time for me to come forward with an explanation as to what has just
> occurred. I will admit I came through the back door with this teaching
> but it is the only way to set the example of the extreme difference in
> frequencies of light and dark.
The forces of Light do not come in through the back door. They are the
book door and the front and already present.
> First, when the list started and Richard asked me to participate he said
> it was all about spiritual growth and understanding kundalini, I said
> sure. If it is about "true growth" then I will participate.
It is indeed about this and as such is an on going process.
> In the beginning I came on many times with posts on Divine Will and
> detachment which many reacted to because of bringing in God and 'thy
> will and not my will.' Each of you know me for these postings is that
> not right? SOMETIMES YOU LIKED IT OTHER TIMES YOU DIDN;T.
Do not mistake the message for the messenger Gloria.
- oh you knew that - continue . . .
> The ability to move with divine will comes through no thought, just
> moving with the high frequency of the Holy Spirit. When you do this, and
> you can only do it through the heart center and love, everything just
> is, NO RIGHT OR WRONG. On this level it doesn't matter what is coming
> down because there is only the flow and there is no connecton to the
> five senses because you live in the pure stream of divine will. YOU
> DON'T TAKE CREDIT OR BLAME IN THIS MOVEMENT, BECAUSE IT IS JUST WHAT
> SPIRIT IS SETTING UP.
If you truely operate on the level of Divine Will it is quite likely
that messages will not be accepted - therefore the Divine Will may be
rejected. For this reason we have to interpret or allow for the feelings
and understanding of others. If we are a prophet, then the message is
PERFECT and is not altered whatever the reaction. I suggest this is
borne in mind.
> We went through some months of this conversation. And then I brought up
> something about there being light and dark forces,( remember the astral
> influences can only occur in the lower dimensions near the earth plane
> since this is maya or illusion.) In the higher planes darkness doesn't
> exist, it is a tool of the light really to create consciousness.
This is true but there is no light and dark anywhere, no higher, lower.
There is just the manifestation of LOVE. Your dark force is anothers
salvation and your light is anothers veil.
> There were some pretty harsh reactions to this, this is fine and
> actually good. There were some thoughts about how I returned the
> mail...I had several posts then from people asking me why I don't just
> use the quotes and was I retarded or just illiterate. (That was good,
> really touched me) The reactions went on from Mystress about me in a
> personal context, which is also good. A necessary part of the
> experience. She made a point to say that everyone could recognize an
> occassional contribution I made... BUT 'was I hear to drive everyone
> nuts'!!!My words...
You know Gloria we all do drive others nuts from time to time. This is
not because we are cosmic carrier pigeons but because we are nuts.
The important thing is that your heart and that of Angelique and mine
are the same. How ever limited we are here to nurture and share our
knowing and experience of kundalini and how this enobles and enriches
our lives. If we cause offence but our motivation is Love we must
apologise.
I am sorry for any offence or discomfort I have caused people - I will
continue to do so when I feel it is in their best interests. I may be
wrong, I do not think I am - none of us ever do - what is important is
we try and improve the intention and method of communication.
> GREAT? WHY? Because in this we moved away from the purely intellectual
> jargon, which sounds very good but doesn't do anything real because
> people are comfortable moving from what they think, believe, or some
> idea of what is happening. This is where most communication sits AND
> THERE IS NO POWER IN IT, A PAST TIME...NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN IT.THE
> FORCES JUST SIT AND COEXIST IN THE GAME.
Now Dear Friends,
If we only understand with our minds
but do not feel with our whole being
how are we to overcome our limitations?
In this sense the resolving of conflict
is the way to growth.
Nothing in this universe Grows without struggle.
The kundalini list is not just a bit of sharing about snake power
though it can be used in this way
It is essential to your innate evolution.
> To get through the illusion you have to blast through... which takes you
> to the core energy which is what we demonstrated here, negative and
> positive energies that clash, when this happens and people detach and
> neutralize thought forms, the real experience & training takes
> place. THIS IS WHEN IT GETS REAL, EVERYTHING ELSE IS A PAST TIME.
> Provided you use the spiritual principals here you receive the
> awareness. THIS IS DETACH, OBSERVE AND LET GO WHICH IS WHAT WILL TAKE
> YOU FROM THE SOAR PLEXUS TO THE HEART CENTER. NOTHING ELSE
> WILL...BELIEVE ME. DETACH AND LET GO
Again - there is no battle of Wills here. No one is more or less.
We just have an opportunity for acceptance. To observe our reactions and
to see the causes of our own small mindedness. When we accept this we
can let go of our little notion of what is happening and develop the
impartiality that is a manifestation of our true being.
> When the illusion is shown... you move with what is real. In other
> words I pushed this group from the comfort zone and stretched the
> vibration, sometimes playing the light and other times the dark part of
> the play.
Congratulations Gloria - you have exposed your own vanity.
You did nothing. People through their own capacities responded to that
which was good in you with that which was good in them. This process
will continue with or with you. Though i have great admiration for your
understanding and genuine energy. If you expose the process you will
lose control of it.
> Why? Because we live in a world of light and dark. The world does not
> conform to thoughts or rules, because it is forever playing from
> positive to negative energies .. THIS IS MAYA THE GAME. LOOK AROUND YOU.
> IF YOU ARE TO GO INTO THE LIGHT, YOU DROP THE SELF...LET GO OF WHAT YOU
> THINK, WANT, DESIRE, ETC.
I know you take your own advice.
> Some of you get caught up in negative energies and enjoy it using the
> gross senses.(This is a stage) Is there anything here that is going to
> raise you to enlightenment?
What are you caught up in Gloria?
> On the other side,just being positive is THE SAME illusion, EVEN GOING
> TO CHURCH DOING WHAT IS PERCEIVED AS GOOD that means conforming to
> thoughts, ideas, etc. Simply acting from thought is as much of the
> illusion, " GLORIA, CAN'T YOU CONFORM TO THE RULES..?." It is only when
> there is no thought, and 'thy will and not my will' which takes you to
> divine will...that everything is purified and the illusion evaporates.
> It may not make you popular or well liked, but it is the only true place
> to be.
Agreed.
My own feeling is that you are motivated by a divine imperative. But
then I must say, so what?
> Then you observe it without judgement and flow with it...you have
> stepped firmly onto the direct pathway home. As long as you think that
> you can make things conform to YOUR WILL...you MUST FIGHT THE FORCES
> every step of the way.
Again Gloria you are the pigeon
not the message
just as I am the lobster
not the nutrition
People eat or spit out
accept or reject
the choice and growth is through their capacity
When they teach we learn
as they grow we all gain
> Those of you who are TRULY WORKING TO KNOW GOD.. sleep on this message,
> ask within if there is anything of value that can be important to you,
> if there isn't anything throw it out, but IF you can intuit what I have
> shared, you will have a great gift.
My Dear Friends,
Gloria is offering something worthwhile
for us to share in
She does not come from a position of arrogance
but of Love and Genuine concern
It is up to those of us with claws
to protect you but not to smother you
You may not like what or how she says things
this is of no concern
Listen and learn
make up your own mind
(what more can any of us do)
> Stand back as the observer, watch your thoughts and emotions. Remember
> your five senses are the trap, it is only when YOU get beyond these
> lower senses that you can receive directly from love and understanding
> and from Christ, Krishna, Gaurdian Angel...go with it see what happens.
> NOTE:
> I DON'T KNOW THAT I WILL STAY ON THE LIST, IT VERY WELL MAYBE THAT WHAT
> I BRING IN DOESN'T FIT WITH THE INTENTIONS THAT MYSTRESS HAS FOR THE
> LIST. I'M SURE TO ROCK THE BOAT, I WILL DO WHAT COMES TO ME AS WE MOVE
> TOGETER THROUGH THIS.
> REGARDLESS, I DO LOVE EACH OF YOU AND KNOW THAT OUR PATHS MET FOR A
> REASON. GLORIA SO DEAR FRIENDS... GO WITH GOD
Keep shouting your message.
Keep rocking the boat.
Angelique is your closest ally.
Coleslaw is not made without chopping cabbage (from cooking wisdom and
lobsters)
Most Kind Regards
Ed Jason (Lobster)
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:00:52 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: exclusive admission
Message-ID: <3375ED34.7A39ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
> ps i enjoyed Lobster's admission of a chequered history of
> exclusion and persecution considerably - thankyou for that...
>
> when people start to persecute you the chances are you're making
> progress.....
Pah!
and Lobster trying to go beyond progress . . .
Here are some tips on avoiding exclusion:
When in an "esoteric - new age" shop do not ask for any of the
following:
anti-subliminal hypnotic tapes
how to alchemy guide books (with pictures)
lobsters
pictures of abducted aliens
in sense to put in incense (or vice versa)
anything that works
Neon Aum
they quickly show you reality as in,
"this is the door . . . "
When in a Hindu Ashram do not ask:
Why does Ganeesha (pot bellied Elephant God) not go on a diet?
(pointing to Huniemann (spelling?)
So this God is a Monkey?
Do not ask a nun if it is OK to smoke in a Catholic Church (especially
if smoking and in church)
- incidently she said it was probably OK on this occasion and thought
confession was in order
Do not ask Buddhists how to cope with meditation withdrawel symptons.
Do not tell Tibetan Buddhists which Lamas are enlightened
Do not tell tell Sufis God is so Omnipotent He can create his own
Non-existence.
Do not try to join the Freemasons on the basis of not believing in God
(a prerequisite)
However Dear Friends, if the Spirit moves you in this mysterious way -
who will you obey?
Most Kind Regards
Ed Jason ~Lobster~
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:05:13 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: please please make up - don't leave us Gloria
Message-ID: <W$4wFCA5XbdzEwMUATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
this is a public plea for Gloria to stay with us.......
what's a little squabble and name calling between yogis ?
Gloria, you really helped me clarify a lot of things very very quickly
when i came onto the list a few weeks back in a way i doubt anyone else
could have..
you are a very advanced spiritual being, it is just that sometimes the
imagined distance between us is exacerbated by the veils of language
and the intellect without the physical presence to give a context to
some of the things we say....
and on an open forum like the net, inevitably, something aimed at one
audience can be jumped on by someone else who isn't ripe for that
teaching
we need you, you have a unique perspective and a generous loving
nature...
it is just that with themes like God and how to handle the subconscious
darkness people tend to go with their own experiences and these are not
always compatible at first sight, particularly when you're on the net
and we're all coming at it from different directions and levels of
development.....
i found that my thoughts on sex and esoteric celibacy sparked a lot of
both positive and negative reactions and in the end i decided to back
down and dissolve my opinions for a while so as not to provoke a
disproportionate response to what was simply basically a technical point
although i made it very strongly for a few days so as to give it a
little weight and edge in the face of so much indifference to this form
of spiritual practice.....
if people disagree at the united nations they still have to find ways of
talking to eachother the next day....shouldn't we be exploring new ways
of working together even when we know in our hearts other people are
just plain wrong.....and even that it is they who will suffer for their
wrong headedness !!!! and that criticism and personal attacks are
unjustified but still have to be acknowledged in some way for
relationships to continue...even in cyberspace.
but there then emerges a deeper level of understanding in which one can
embrace spiritual contradictions, paradox and personality clashes.....
life would be very dull if we all just agreed with eachother and
everything we said was accepted....
please please stay Gloria - if my experience is anything to go by your
talents are perfectly suited to the net and the list, and you have a
mission to help those who need to clarify a few things on their journey
yes, you guessed it, you are one of my Cybergurus !!!! and a Christian
one at that ! you make Christian a term of endearment again !
and me a Tantric yogi lost to the void and full of intellectual contempt
for so much of what has been done to Christianity by so many men over
the centuries and caused so much misery and anguish to so many in so
many ways.........
regards
Brother Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:06:00 -0500
From: "Spiral" <spiral-3ATnospamworldnet.att.net>
To: "Gloria Greco" <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
Cc: "Kundalini Mailing List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list/TENSION!
Message-ID: <19970511130650.AAA28914ATnospamrjiredff>
Hi All. Gloria Greco wrote,
---------->
> Let's sleep on it and see what happens. It is an interesting list, but
> we may be coming at it from so many directions that it will create
> confusion for some, and could do more harm then good. It isn't that any
> one path is better then another, rather each while being the same in
> many ways, are also very different in others.
>
> Mystress and I are in conversation on this, we will see what comes from
> it. While I do believe there is a deep compassion and understanding
> working to manifest on the list, there are some basic differences that
> are pretty extreme. Perhaps this little group can create by ways and
> connections from the love that is here, certainly the world doesn't have
> a chance if people can't do this on some level.
>
There certainly is a big polarization of opposites coming down here. I
also think that that can be good, IF THE TENSION CAN BE HELD!
>From my perspective and worldview, new consciousness arises when opposing
forces can be consciously acknowledged, articulated and held in dynamic
relationship to each other. Out of this tension something new can emerge.
I think this is a basic principle underlying creativity and growth in
almost any area. After the new consciousness emerges, we can look back and
say "Both stances were true AND
neither were true. There is a greater understanding which encompasses
both".
The trick is for this list to act as a holding container for the tension in
the mean time. I think it would be unfortunate if Gloria were to leave.
This awful tension would dissipate, but the opportunity for new growth and
perspective would be missed.
Morgana's tradition seems to incorporate these principles beautifully.
There was much wisdom in her post.
Love, Spiral
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:18:21 -0500
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list
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Dear Gloria,
>Let's sleep on it and see what happens. It is an interesting list, but
>we may be coming at it from so many directions that it will create
>confusion for some, and could do more harm then good.
Please, add my vote to stay--if you're counting. Yes, I see lots of
different directions, paths meeting and diverging, resembling, somehow, a
bowl of spaghetti at times.
But there's such a balance in it all. Tables have four legs--most of them
do, anyway; some have more of course. Each might represent a different path
(known only to table legs and the Cosmos), but working together, they hold
the table up very nicely, providing a surface for working, dining (on
lobster, perhaps?), or leaning elbows while discussing the mysteries of the
universe--or gazing out the window or pursuing butterfly thoughts. Gloria,
you're part of the balance here on this list, this multi-legged table that
provides such a feast of ideas and insights. Please stay--pretty please?
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:25:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Zensual2UATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list
Message-ID: <970511102527_-930248900ATnospamemout13.mail.aol.com>
As much as I do not want to do this I must be taken off the list for now
I have gotten alot of very valuable info here but I can not keep up with the
volume of mail sent each day. I have limited time and space.. I wish there
were an alternative
method to receive Kundalini info.. like messageboards and newsletters.
Receiving 10-15 postings per day is too much..although I have read
everything and enjoy the communication between members . I am trying to gain
insight into K and in the short time I have been recieiving mail I have been
enriched. Perhaps you can tell me if there is an alternative to access the
same type of info without being barraged with
mail.. Other sites have messageboards.. do you?
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:08:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Zensual2UATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list/TENSION!
Message-ID: <970511110836_1414653158ATnospamemout11.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-05-11 09:08:32 EDT, you write:
I had just sent you a notice to remove me from the list and then I read this:
<<
The trick is for this list to act as a holding container for the tension in
the mean time. I think it would be unfortunate if Gloria were to leave.
This awful tension would dissipate, but the opportunity for new growth and
perspective would be missed.
>>
I DO concern myself with the missing out of perspective and growth
especially as a wannaknow newbie to K. ..
But the issue is the mass of mail..I guess there is a purpose to the element
of
sorting thru ones dissatisfactions to find the value in disceplin and
exercise
Loving light to you all ~*~*~ Maria ~*~*~
PS:
please feel free to RSVP direct to me. I may be removed from the list as a
requested prior to reading this last one.. >> Zensual2uATnospam aol.com <<
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:29:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Elsner <selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: some questions
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Hi everyone! Although I am going on quite a roller-coaster ride
through life right now, I still come up with questions of all kinds! Of
course, kundalini is a subject of at least one.
1) First, and this is more towards the Mystress but it still involved
everyone, I would like to inquire about the plans mentioned a while back
pertaining to a shaktipat website. Have there been any developments
towards this direction? If not, I am ready to initiate such a project
myself. As a reiki sensei, I have access to a symbol which aligns the
chakras and guides energy through the spine. This is a beginning. Reiki
can be used at a distance or through time, so I feel I can contribute to
this project in a unique way (nobody else has mentioned this yet..)
Anyhow, I have a brief concept here for it: pages with graphics
and guided meditations for moving energy, aligning chakras, and awakening
kundalini. One such page might have a series of seven images, which are
designed to work on each chakra in turn. And finally, one symbol which we
all choose, which we all empower with our energies, to awaken kundalini.
Also included will be various exercises contributed by anyone here who
wishes to. Even if this doesn't awaken K, it will sure be an interesting
experiment with spirtuality on the web. Please let me know if anybody can
help with this.
2) I have heard some people describe their kundalini process, and they
include a reference to their karma being cleared. What do they mean by
this precisely? How is it experienced (ie how do they know this is
happening)? And finally, by what mechanism does K clear karma? how does
this happen?
3) I find it interesting that with my new (relatively) girlfriend, she has
this unique ability to cause a buzzing at the base of my spine. Ha ha ha,
not it is not genital stimulation. Typically she touches or caresses me
somewhere, usually on the back (this especially happens when she plays
with the back of my neck) and I get a very energizing sensation like a
ball of intense energy right above the anus. Therefore, it is not like a
purely sexual thing, and I don't experience it as such.
I don't know of her practising any meditation, energy work, or
self-empowering spirituality. As far as I can tell, she's a catholic
girl from New York.
Does anyone have some idea what this is, and why she can do it?
Or more accurately, why I react to her in this way...
well that's it for now, sorry about the long post.
Thanks for your time!
love,
Steve
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:08:58 -0700
From: corvidaeATnospampobox.com (Karen Jean Armstrong)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Steve's Question #3
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Hi Steve and All:
I am interested in the answer to Steve's question "Number 3". I believe my
husband has a simular ability as Steve described with his girlfriend. My
husband can help calm me when I am very upset by rubbing my back between
the shoulder blades and I feel a tingling sensation there.
Namaste'
Karen A.
>3) I find it interesting that with my new (relatively) girlfriend, she has
>this unique ability to cause a buzzing at the base of my spine. Ha ha ha,
>not it is not genital stimulation. Typically she touches or caresses me
>somewhere, usually on the back (this especially happens when she plays
>with the back of my neck) and I get a very energizing sensation like a
>ball of intense energy right above the anus. Therefore, it is not like a
>purely sexual thing, and I don't experience it as such.
> I don't know of her practising any meditation, energy work, or
>self-empowering spirituality. As far as I can tell, she's a catholic
>girl from New York.
> Does anyone have some idea what this is, and why she can do it?
>Or more accurately, why I react to her in this way...
>
>well that's it for now, sorry about the long post.
>
>Thanks for your time!
>love,
> Steve
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:22:27 -0700
From: Jackie Nusz <dcn314ATnospamsprynet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Newbie to Kundalini List
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi everyone,
For the past day or so, I've been lurking (just reading) the interesting
posts from you all. I'm glad to find a list where I can learn more about
Kundalini at long last. In the future, I'll participate more as I become
more acclimated to these threads.
I'm a 50 year old married woman from Colorado and have been online in
various places for about 4 years now. I spend most of my time managing a
busy metaphysical chat channel in IRC because I love to chat! Also, just
opened a new web page at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/7702 last
month.
I hope I can keep up with reading the interesting posts on this list and
thereby learn more about K and you all....but I must say... 10-12 posts per
day are not many compared to other lists I have subscribed to in the past
(SOME lists generate up to 100 posts per day!)
I have one question, now that I think of it: Someone was talking about
talking to her "Slave". What is meant by "Slave"? Please enlarge on this
concept for the benefit of the all or email me privately at your
convenience. Thanks.
Sincerely,
Jackie Nusz
Boulder, Colorado
LOOK TO THIS DAY - For it is Life - the Very Life of Life
In its brief course lie all the realities and truths of existence:
the joy of growth
the glory of action
the splendor of beauty.
For yesterday is already a memory, and tomorrow is only a vision.
but today well-lived makes every yesterday a memory of happiness,
and every tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well, therefore, to this day.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:27:12 -0700
From: corvidaeATnospampobox.com (Karen Jean Armstrong)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Right for Scooby-Doo? An additional View :)
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Dear Lobster, tg xxx, Mystress and All :)))
Thank you! )))))((((K)))))Love(((((K))))((((((
I have gone through some change since my last posting.....
Larry (my husband) and I have just recently committed to a blackbelt
program at a nearby Taekwondo school. This school is true to the Eastern
philosophy...Self Respect, Respect for others, Inner peace, Humility. I
am someone who does not like to be told what to do..I have needed some
humility and Yet when I enter that school, I feel a freedom in giving my
respect to It and to the Instructors and my fellow students. I am learning
respect for people (no matter of age) who have walked this road before me
and have knowledge to offer.....Me, a white belt, referring to children and
Elders in higher rank as Sir and Mam....I LOVE IT....it is a very
liberating feeling to be humble and respect others regardless of physical
age :) I know this is opening the door for more learning inside and
outside of this training.
Thank you :)
Still a stubborn person....
Namaste'
Karen A.
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:35:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: My Views on: Remaining on the list
Message-Id: <199705111635.JAA11074ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
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I often don't have the time to thoroughly read a day's mail but I usually
try to skim it anyway. So, in this recent disagreement I don't know exactly
what is being said by whom to whom. I usually get the gist of it all
however and can rapidly tell HOW things are being said (which to me is often
<more> important) and there is so very, very much repition. The thing I have
noticed most is Mistress A asking for briefer posts and asking for snipping
when replying to posts - for bandwidth and diskspace consideration.
That message has been overloooked for months and ignored repeatedly by
Gloria who just recently finally noticed it and then took it as a personal
attack - - - when there was also a post about demons attached to it,
something she does notice and care about and thinks is worth a reply.
So to me it just seems like a power struggle and the points being argued
(the dark and light forces, etc.) are meaningless scapegoats, except that we
do need Gloria to make her reply posts briefer. If she had agreed to that
early on the problem would have been solved and there would be nothing to
"sleep on". She is here only to give (we love her giving) but not to
receive or really interact. She wants to do it her way. Fine, but that
means many people unsubscribe from the list because of mail volume, or
overlook her posts (the overlookers get overlooked of course). Mistress A
is trying to enforce list netiquette and does not like her subtle and not so
subtle directives ignored (can't really blame her) and so she brings out her
demons - both literally and figuratively.
It's sorta funny, ya know what I mean? One day I see Mistress Gloria in
black and A is dressed in blissful white light and the next day they seem to
both be wearing grey, etc. It's like a kalidescope that needs shaking
because it has gotten boring with so few colors repeating themselves over
and over and over. The demons and the angels are both bored with it.
Hoping to throw some blue (bright aqua would be good don't you think?) or
red into the mix,
M
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