1997/05/11 04:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #223
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 223
Today's Topics:
demons and spiritual teammates.
Stage of Kundalini Growth
Blisses and Kisses for Gloria and Miss Serpent
Re: Great Post Gloria--Gimme some Demons!.
Re: Manic-depression
Lobster, wherefore art thou,my k is in tow!
Re: Fw: Prozac and K
Re: Remaining on the list
Re: Fw: Prozac and K
Re: on enlightenment - some brief definitions from the east
This list
Re: Fw: (Fwd) Fwd: This is pretty cool!
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 20:37:00
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: demons and spiritual teammates.
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This came up on another list, and I have recieved consent to repost it here.
Enjoy!
>Spiritual Team Mates
>
>an aspect I myself did not value appropriately until just recently,
>is the necessity of helping one's spiritual team mates to awaken
>and to empower themselves.
>
>There are many spheres of spiritual teams.
>
>A single being could not even grab a body at the time of birth
>of a human. Let alone, survive and do well. Every 'person' here
>on Earth has legions of spiritual team mates. Many will want to
>join you, others may strive to achieve independent empowerment.
>In either case, **you are their leader*** !!! Never underestimate
>this power AND responsibility.
>
>Your spiritual team mates will do everything to help you.
> After all, they want to share the fun!
>
>Unfortunately, there are tendencies around since earliest times
>that prompt beings to suppress their spiritual (and physical)
>team mates rather than to awaken and empower them. This is done
>in a state of confusion of the being about itself and not born
>out of bad will initially.
>
>Since the late '70s, this planet has also seen a new variety
>that is truly disastrous. Introduced by the so-called 'Church of
>Scientology' which turned towards suppressive spiritual
>technologies around that time, this variety of suppression, even
>though seemingly beneficial in the moment it is administered,
>has long-reaching and fatal implications.
>
>This variety, sometimes called 'entity clearing', has found its way
>into countless New Age circles. Originally born out of Aleister
>Crowley's 'magick', 'entity clearing' attempts to 'remove'
>'bad' or 'harmful' entities from a person. It has its roots in
>ancient teachings, of course, but in our times, the context of
>these teachings has been removed and the 'mechanical' procedure
>remained.
>
>You may think that this is of no importance to you. But I urge
>you to look at it nevertheless for several important reasons.
>(Since I 'know' most of you of on this list (if not all!?)
>personally, I think that you can safely digest this information
>and make good use of it in the future.)
>
>Without making too many words, please spend a minute to think
>about WHERE the 'bad entities' are going once they are 'released'
>from your person ('case').
>
>They are not simply dissolving or automatically 'going back to
>their origin'. They are going to go to a time and place where
>YOU cannot perceive them in the moment you are 'releasing' them.
>More often than not, they are not 'released', they are being
>dumped and rejected.
>
>We are all part of a giant spiritual network. If someone is doing
>something, it affects EVERYBODY in this universe even though it
>may not be noticeable easily.
>
>In this way, most 'released entities' are NOT going away, they are
>going to be 'loose cannons' and can be more destructive than ever.
>
>Reason enough to be concerned even if one didn't engage in any
>'NOTs' or similar practices. All of us and the rest of the world
>has to cope with many of these 'released entities' which are NOT
>released but thoroughly invalidated and betrayed and thus worse off
>than they were ever before.
>
>Now I was writing much more than I planned to do but I feel this
>is the time and place to remind us - including me :) - that the
>only positive development one can achieve is done so through
>'positive processes'.
>
>Empowering others empowers yourself. It is nowhere so dramatically
>true as within the realm of your own game that you set up with
>the help of your spiritual team mates.
>
>The simple act of acknowleding your friends who were helping you
>for countless lives even though you may have abused and cursed them
>many, many times, has an amazing effect (only seeing is believing!!).
>
>This is also the time to assume and assert _your_ leadership in
>_your_ team! It is now that our 'angels' are anxious to see US to do
>OUR 'job' after all the time _they_ spent on helping and teaching
>us (or trying to..)
>
>Let us develop and join our spiritual teams here on Earth and
>in the Stars !!!
>
>yours with love and joy !
>
>Max
>
>(*** Note: 'spiritual team mates' and 'positive processes' are terms
>that are also being used by Alan C. Walter. While I admire him for
>his achievements, I am not affiliated with him or endorse his
>courses, and so forth...)
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 18:54:10 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Stage of Kundalini Growth
Message-ID: <337526C2.4662ATnospambest.com>
I've had an impulse to post this to the list. This is drawn from 300
years of spiritual practice in my family, but I'm posting it because I
believe that it is universal and relates to undalini.
in my spiritual path, as a teacher of this path, I usher my students
into various stages of growth. One of these stages is JUDGEMENT.
Judgement is a great stage, it is where healing takes place from the
wounds around being judged. Part of that stage is that the student
becomes extremely judgemental. Our practice is to receive the judgements
with reverence and thanksgiving because it is a benchmark in their
growth. If it is particularly severe, we sometimes throw a "judgement
party" to celebrate the transition and healing.
Another part of the path is the bridge between a priest/priestess and
that of high priest/ess. There are vows and rituals, and taking up of
responsibilities, but the sign we look for that they are ready for the
final initiation is the divisiveness of laying down ABSOLUTES.
Everything becomes colored by black and whites, there is no shading.
This is an internal reaction to polarity, and marks the laying down of
reactiveness and a great spiritual advancement.
The color of our high priest/ess is grey, one who knows no absolutes and
has/is healed/healing from polarity and divisiveness.
Now, this is my path, and I know it's not for everyone. Bt I've
noticed a similarity in the kundalini literature.
On that note, I'd like to throw a CYBER PARTY for Mystress Angelique
and for Gloria to celebrate their joyous passage into the grey areas of
life. I'm sincere, let's give them our whole-hearted suport and
congradulations!
Gloria, ListMystress Angelique, blessed be.
Morgana
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:19:46 +0100
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Blisses and Kisses for Gloria and Miss Serpent
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I love you both so much
I love you both so much
You two make me so happy
Now, I feel kind of Crappy
For, I had reservations
and, now, I can say them
you, two, remind me of my
two loving Gurus
who fight enthusiastically over me
like, two Gallant Lovers, true
to the same Fairy Lady,of all
Victoria's a Queen, if a bit tall
and, I feel a too small in my height,
but we share alot of delight
in bed flat on our backs, dreaming
in spirit and bliss filled pillows dreams,
may, I say one thing, after this,
if this doesn't hit the list,
of worst poems of the year
for my Victoria has suddenly, become dear
to me, and to you two fine, ladies fair
now who's the Darest of them all, and sincere
for, if it could be history, then it'd be me to see
that I love all three ladies, entirely
one for each of my alter ego three,
one of magic goes to my dear Vicki,for enchantment
the executive goes to Miss Serpentine for empowerment
and the last, the angel of Bliss, baby, goes to Glorious Gloria,
and, now, does it satisfy the K-list
for, this is Victoria's Teacher and Guru,
who spenttoo much time on the Loo
thinking of ways to stop the cat fight
and shoving with all his internal might
His higness, came up with a solution, fair
that came out of thin, concentrative, air
and ending with that musical note,
of grande, lovely dames, at last
the bandit strikes the midnight hour, again
he'll visit the homes of all three to train,
the art of dreaming, and lovemaking to gain
time to heal the hurt hearts, of all three,
but,Vicki will willingly, surrender to me
the best of the three is the Dancing and Able Magi
and it's Him, I think she'll marry, for that's Ably,
for you, must not deny your history, and your past,
and you must not deny your future, at last,
you may want to disagree, with me,
for, I will go down in history,
as the magic lovematcher of old,
returning again to forbode,
the end of time for Vicki,
the beginning of the line, to be
and that is the story of old me,
and mydeaf secretary, who, irresponsibly,
changes every other word, for me,
and, now, you can see, that I am only me
if, that makes any sense, I hope, I am home free,
that you all, don't break a leg, or two, or three,
showing your Sweet Guru how bad you type, for me,
a word or two, in the time it takes to write,
a thesis, or a doctrine of hate,I'd like to make
a conclusion, or three, now, just listen to me,
make up, make up, make it up, before it is too late!!!!~V~
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 19:09:24 -0700
From: Mad Coyote joe <joeATnospamflarity.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Great Post Gloria--Gimme some Demons!.
Message-ID: <33752A54.1A44ATnospamflarity.com>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> NOTE:
> I DON'T KNOW THAT I WILL STAY ON THE LIST, IT VERY WELL MAYBE THAT WHAT
> I BRING IN DOESN'T FIT WITH THE INTENTIONS THAT MYSTRESS HAS FOR THE
> LIST.
Dear Gloria,
It is always greatly appreciated when you speak from the pure heart as
you often do. I have learned much from you in the last year. You were
one of the first to respond when I came aboard last September. (another
was Angelique, and I find your commonality especially resonant) Many
others could also benefit as I have. This is one of the kindest lists
in existence.
ANY LIST IS ONLY A SUMMATION OF ITS CURRENT POSTINGS. If you want it to
be a certain way--post that way and attract the sympathetic or
complimentary energy. The work will be done.
PLEASE DON'T LEAVE. You may be a'fixen to learn something yourself.
You have in this post answered indirectly what you could not seem to do
directly last Dec. I can now give many thanks for the pressures that
have brought out this magnificent burst.
In love and Gloria,
joe
PS: You do need to cut your posts down. Your killing the digest.
Please consider responding directly when your advice is repetitive (like
to newcomers). We regulars want to see YOUR growth too and we won't see
it if we get in the habit of deleting your replies.
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 19:56:18 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Manic-depression
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At 09:26 PM 5/10/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote:
David, all seems like excellant advise.
>The amino acids L-tryrosine, L-phenylalanine, and yes L-glutamine.
With anyone subject to manic episodes, I suggest extreme caution with
L-tyrosine, the precursor for dopamine, and L-phenylalanine which has an
enhancing effect on the second messanger system leading to increased
dopaminergic activity. Manic systems seem to be associated with elevated
dopamine.
Earlier today, someone suggested co-enzyme-Q-10.
A quick read of the literature sounds good enough that I ran out to my
nearess Costco/Price Club and got some.
Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:46:57 +0100
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Lobster, wherefore art thou,my k is in tow!
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Our spirit has left the K- list
does anyone else get the drift,
Where's our sweet dear Lobster
did he drink too much red wine,
or did he date and dine, our Mistress
or did he take a shit, and die, on the spot
did a magic Fairy of Stars, take his heart out
and throw it away, with the morning garbage
or, did a fellow man, pick up, and throw darts,
pinning him to his medieval bondage bedcart
being Raving mad to dread visits in the dark
by a young pretty lady named Lucious Mystery
and that is how we end the long, Spralling Spree
of wondering, wondering, how Lobster must be....~V~ cc
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:31:09 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3374081D.6165ATnospambridge.net>
YOu wrote:
> Well, not to be rude or anything, but... that's rubbish. Prozac has
> helped a lot of people. Nothing can work for everyone, and it is bound to
> have some negative effects on some people. Screw the book, ask some
> psychiatrists.
Well not to be rude either dear, but I dont see why one should trust
psychiatrists, when they still give people electric shocks, that is like
kicking the radio to see if something connects... All they do to help
your mentat problems is give you drugs. I would like to know who has a
psychiatrist "cured" And the book you want me to screw, its was written
by people who have done plenty of research.. but if someone wants to get
a Legal cocaine-like dependency" go ahead... its your body after all...
> I took it for a time, didn't do much. Wellbutrin helped, Zoloft helped
> more, but I eventually stopped taking anything. By the time I was taking
> Zoloft I was already beginning to climb out of it. (had a rather fun
> meeting with this guy, asked a ton of questions about me to figure out
> what should be prescribed... ended up with Zoloft and it actually helped).
>
> Three and one half years is a long time to feel nothing but despair.
> Perhaps that is what destroyed any remaining belief in a loving God that
> intervenes on your behalf. How can I have faith in something that never
> gave me a moment of relief, no matter what I said, did, or felt? Well, to
> be fair, what I felt never changed.
>
> No God... so all must come from within, or not at all. Lonely path, I
> guess.
Well we are agreeing on something, that it comes from within, right?
> Bah, didn't mean to stray off the subject; however, the deed is done, and
> I refuse to undo it... no more bloody attachments! :-)
Good for you!!
In Love,
Lissette
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:13:07 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: dorATnospamhlc.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list
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dorATnospamhlc.com wrote:
>
> Gloria,
>
> You do have a lot to offer, and you should remain on the list. Your
> contibution does have value, as there are some, who connect with what you
> have to say on any given topic. We all have our ups and downs, and from
> time to time, disagreements have been known to occur. Sometimes they are
> funny and we all have a laugh, humor and laughter also has it's place here.
> This should not deter you from posting, as you may have the exact
> information one seeks to solve their problem, or... you may explain it in
> terms that they will understand... while others offer a different approach,
> which may or may not be understood.
Gloria wrote:
Let's sleep on it and see what happens. It is an interesting list, but
we may be coming at it from so many directions that it will create
confusion for some, and could do more harm then good. It isn't that any
one path is better then another, rather each while being the same in
many ways, are also very different in others.
Mystress and I are in conversation on this, we will see what comes from
it. While I do believe there is a deep compassion and understanding
working to manifest on the list, there are some basic differences that
are pretty extreme. Perhaps this little group can create by ways and
connections from the love that is here, certainly the world doesn't have
a chance if people can't do this on some level.
Gloria
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:05:04 -0800 (AKDT)
From: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
To: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Prozac and K
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On Sat, 10 May 1997, Dolce Vita wrote:
> Well not to be rude either dear, but I dont see why one should trust
> psychiatrists, when they still give people electric shocks, that is like
> kicking the radio to see if something connects... All they do to help
> your mentat problems is give you drugs. I would like to know who has a
> psychiatrist "cured" And the book you want me to screw, its was written
> by people who have done plenty of research.. but if someone wants to get
> a Legal cocaine-like dependency" go ahead... its your body after all...
>
> Lissette
There is valid evidence supporting the use of electric shock treatment.
One can work up an argument for or against anything. Compare the
percentage of problem cases to the rather large number of people who have
been helped.
The drugs are there to help you think clearly... to aid you in dealing
with the cause. Or perhaps we can take all paranoid schitzophrenics off
their medication and let them deal with reality... pun not intended.
Unless you happen to have a cure for such severe illnesses then I
seriously doubt society will buy into the view that drugs are bad.
(i realize you are only talking of prozac, but nearly all these drugs have
side effects)
Prozac has helped many thousands of people get over depression.
Psychiatrists spend all their time examining mental illnesses, trying to
find ways to treat the problems.
For example, I have a friend. He was a child prodigy. He also suffered
from schitzophrenia when younger. What allows him to lead a normal life?
The drugs I see people saying are so terrible. Imagine life without them.
(it was neat... he used to be a little nazi, used to stand up in front of
his class and give speeches to that effect) I like my friend. He hasn't
had an episode in a long time. "Get over your dependency and face
reality!"
It's too bad anti-depressants didn't have much of an effect on me. Might
have lasted only a few months, rather than a few years. 15-18 will always
be what I affectionately call the Years of Despair. The only reason I
didn't kill myself was that I believed in an afterlife, but I did not
believe in a mysterious psychological reconditioning process... no way to
escape your pain, in other words. Perhaps it was for the best that I
dealt with it all then as I have more than enough to face now. Only a
small number of major attachments... but gods, how hard to let go.
Or let's consider people with bipolar disorder... a great many of them
become suicidal at one time or another. What about someone who takes no
medication and receives no counseling? The last of his family dying...
and he failed to kill himself awhile back. No money for meds, as he is
still in high school. No friends that he can really confide in. By
himself most of the time when he's not in school. Alone.
Got any cures?
P.S. I apologize for the negativity, I realize this message is probably
very rude, but none of it is meant personally. It's more of a rant
against nature.
--
"I miss the comfort in being sad"
-Kurt Cobain
"Either this wallpaper goes or I do."
-last words of Oscar Wilde
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:46:47 +0200
From: "H. Mensing" <hanmeyATnospampi.net>
To: "Tom Aston" <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: on enlightenment - some brief definitions from the east
Message-Id: <199705110948.LAA17747ATnospammailhost.pi.net>
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> Van: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
> Aan: H. Mensing <hanmeyATnospampi.net>
> Onderwerp: Re: on enlightenment - some brief definitions from the east
> Datum: vrijdag 9 mei 1997 23:13
>
>
> have you met Adi Da ? any experiences you'd like to share ?
>
Hi all - Adi Da doesn't act as a public person, so it is not easy to
really `meet' him. But I have been granted his Darshan several times, being
invited to come to Hawaii when he stayed there (Feb. '96) and during his
stay in Holland (last summer). Sure I also had all kinds of `experiences',
especially doing the translation of Adi Da's biography and if someone is
interested I could post to them directly. (Don't know whether it is of any
use to this list.) Anyhow, I'm very grateful this wonderful teaching has
come into my life and therefore this is what I'd like to share to you all:
<"... The very cells of the body are Siva-Shakti. The atom is Siva-Shakti.
Simply because the world exists does not mean that Shakti is separated from
Siva and must return, or that the Yogi is somehow separated from Siva, and
must return to Siva in the form, or vehicle, of Shakti. All that arises is
already the Union of Siva and Shakti. It is not necessary to raise the
Kundalini one inch. It is already raised. It is continually rising. And is
is continually descending. It is a Circle of `conductivity' about the
`Sun', the Heart Itself. When conditionally manifested existence is lived
from the `Point of View' of the Heart Itself, all ascent and descent is
already and continually accomplished. But when one lives purely from the
point of view of ascent, one has a great deal to accomplish, and when one
lives entirely from the point of view of descended nature, one also has a
great deal to accomplish...> < "... I spent years with all kinds of people
who were going through the phenomena of Yoga or Kundalini Yoga, dealing
with Presence, Force, miraculous Spiritual experiences. I have never seen
anyone fundamentally changed by these experiences... Their intention is not
to change you. They ARE change. They are phenomena only. The phenomena
themselves are not the point. They are there only to assist in the
intensification of the quality of your life. You are not intended forever
to sit in them, to bathe in them and watch them perform. These phenomena,
if they need to happen in you at all, will happen in any case. They are a
RELATIVELY minor aspect of Spiritual life. Enjoy them - but see that they
are not themselves Spiritual life. They will not lead to Liberation. They
are not Truth. They will not affect the motivating character or source of
your particular individual life one iota. Thirty years of Shakti
experiences will occupy a fool, but they will not Awaken him or her.
Increase of Energy or Spiritual experience does nothing whatsoever to the
fundamental quality of conscious life. At most it intensifies it, providing
functional strength, so that conscious life can begin as a Real process...
Only radical understanding avails... The Yogic search only enjoys the
conditionally manifested forms of Shakti, or the conditionally achieved
bliss of Energy. Only radical Knowledge is Real Bliss, dependent on
nothing.">
(Quotes from `The Method of the Siddhas', by Adi Da).
Love to you all, Hanny
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:52:55
From: Peter Spear <invitroATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: This list
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It is with great joy that i read all the posts to this list. To read of the
diversity and the reactions of members to different paths and feelings....
When we look around us at the world it is abounding with diversity. When we
look at plants ans life forms..we see such variety. So on this list we see
variety, it is not for us to question each others methods or advice but to
look, discern, and gain in body and spirit from the collective writings or
rantings of each of us. Sometimes this list may be a place where a lonesome
or troubled person can "let it all go", it may be the only place. If we are
what we say we are, "loving, concerned caring people" we will be long
suffering and tollerant. We must remember that some on here are as
children, some as adolescents and others striving to adulthood. It is only
by being tollerant that we can be judged mature, let us all help each other
toward that goal.
This list is here so we can interchange love, feelings and emotions. Please
be tolerant of each other and overlook the transgressions, lets not be
negative and look for faults, lets find the positive things and dwell on
them, by doing so we each will show our maturity.
Sorry for the rant and rave, I love you all, you all contribute so much to
my life and my development. I look at all of your pictures and see many
young faces. If I at 66 can learn from here and sort the wheat from the
chaff so can you..
Love you all...
Peter from New Zealand
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 04:15:17 -0700
From: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fw: (Fwd) Fwd: This is pretty cool!
Message-ID: <3375AA45.4C77ATnospamix.netcom.com>
Larry Killen wrote:
> > At 10:42 09/05/97 -0400, Larry Killen wrote:
> >
> > <28k!!! OF FORWARDED OFF TOPIC SPAM NOISE PATTERN GIBBERISH snipped!!!>
> > Larry, What does this have to do with Kundalini?
>
> Ouch!
Larry,
That's "Ouch!, thank you Mystress, may I have another?" =-)
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