1997/05/10 13:05
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #221
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 221
Today's Topics:
Re: Out-of-body experiences/ Demons!.
List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Unconditional love
Thank you from Morgana
Re: Fw: Prozac and K
kundalini "victims"
Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Re: a question for tom aston on enlightenment
A day in hell
a little poetry for the weekend
Re: Well said!
Re: Kundalini and dreams
Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Re: A day in hell
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 19:11:31 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Out-of-body experiences/ Demons!.
Message-ID: <337368D2.25B3ATnospamintercomm.com>
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Going thru my outbox, clearing unfinished biz.
> How bout a thread on Demons?
>
> At 22:19 28/04/97 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
> >Gloria Greco wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> You are going to meet spirits all along the way, light and dark,
> >> Mistress doesn't seem to believe there is such things as lower force
> >> energies, she wouldn't say that if she had lived through my life and
> >> experience. And, if there was no lower spirits why the demon trap?
> <snipped!>
>
> Did I hear my name being called?
> Why yes, and presumptions on my life experience, too.
> I believe the "demon trap" was mentioned by the fake illuminati witch
> satanist con artist christian propagandist whom you found so charming...
> nuff said, eh?
>
> As for my expreience of demons, one of my slaves was posessed just a few
> weeks ago.
> He told me he'd had a demon once, years before ...showed up during a
> breathwork excercise, tried to strangle his girlfriend... they went to a
> healer and had it excorcised, with Quad Archangel power. he thought it was
> gone.
> He feared that it wasn't, tho... So this demon manifested, snarling hate
> and insisting that my slave was not present... It looked remarkably like
> the Mad Trapper... Veeery spooky!! I managed to appear to stay calm and
> unafraid.
> Fortunately ;) it waited until my slave had asked to be put in his
> favorite leather straightjacket to show up, so it was securely bound and in
> no danger of attacking me.
> ...probably beause my slave has seen my unconscous K. fired autopilot
> judo in action, mildly, and is of the opinion that anyone who actually
> tried to harm me might end up killed before my brain has time to think
> about it. I don't agree with him, but don't fully understand the seamless
> quick deadly effective autoresponse I seem to possess. Perhaps it posesses
> me.....ooo ha ha ha. 8)
>
> So I talked to it, and I gave it love. And it didn't have much to say,
> mantras of hatred and rage, I looked it in the eye and asked it if my slave
> had to give it love so it could be integrated, and it said yes and
> disappeared. I think it vanished because I'd caught it out, the poor little
> splintered personality bit.
> Spent the next few hours telling my very frightened slave jokes until he
> fell asleep. I spent the rest of the night after that sleepless questioning
> house guardian spirits and angels about why they decided it was a good time
> for me to have that experience, and where the beastie had come from.
> my slave had brought it from inside of himself, by permission os
> guardians and higher self, coz it was time for me to deal with it. Cool!
> Two days later I led my slave through an integration exercise, a
> conversation with the demon in his head, giving it love and asking it's
> purpose. It's name was rage and it was born out of a childs fear and
> helplessness.
> I directed him into engaging his creative self to come up with a better
> means of inner defense so that rage could retire. Gave rage love and
> appreciation for a job well done, no longer needed...rage had been there,
> to keep him from being hurt.
> He felt it melt back into the whole with a sigh of relief. Must be tough
> to be a demon. he has commented since on a sense of inner peace he has
> never known before.
>
> Funny, ya know the demon said I know nothing about darkness, compared to
> what it knows about darkness, too. (ROTFL!! perhaps that was your demon
> speaking, Gloria...perhaps we mirror each other's demon...)
>
> And when I thought about it later, I realized that it was right. If
> darkness is fear and lack of love and separation, I have never experienced
> that to the depths of fear and loneliness that it must have been
> experienced by that poor frightened lonely split off fragment of self that
> my slave had labelled a demon and tried to reject.
> My thanks to Christina Grof, and the guides who led me to read some of
> her stuff on possesion states shortly before this event happened.
> Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress,
Don't you think you are getting carried away a bit with your reactions.
Why is this personal? Gloria
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 23:25:11
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
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At 19:11 09/05/97 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>>
>> Going thru my outbox, clearing unfinished biz.
>> How bout a thread on Demons?
>>
>> At 22:19 28/04/97 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>> >Gloria Greco wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You are going to meet spirits all along the way, light and dark,
>> >> Mistress doesn't seem to believe there is such things as lower force
>> >> energies, she wouldn't say that if she had lived through my life and
>> >> experience. And, if there was no lower spirits why the demon trap?
>> <snipped!>
<snipped>
>> My thanks to Christina Grof, and the guides who led me to read some of
>> her stuff on possesion states shortly before this event happened.
>> Blessings, Mystress.
>
>Mystress,
> Don't you think you are getting carried away a bit with your reactions.
>Why is this personal? Gloria
>
Personal? What?
You called my name, made assumptions about me, I responded... why is that
a strange thing?
I am wondering why you post a question like this to the list rather than
personally, and why not on topic of thread?
However, I will use this opportunity to ask you once again, please, be
considerate of other member's valuable time and mailbox room and SNIP YOUR
POSTS.
Like you could have snipped out bits of this one, like I did, it's not
hard to do and members will be grateful if you show this basic nettiquite
consideration.
Right, members?
Two seconds of block and delete on your part is surely simpler than 300+
memers downloading and scrolling past material that is repeated.
....then only to find a two line "I agree" post at the bottom is simply
annoying.
Members, please take a moment to send love and light to Gloria, and
perhaps an email request that she might learn to show consideration for
other members by cropping the numerous replies she sends to the list, and
perhaps someday learn that many of her "I agree" posts would be better sent
directly to the person posting rather than to the list.
These are basic list guidelines, for the common good, and she/you is/are
not magically exempt from them.
I am sure we all have spent many valuable moments of our busy lives
scrolling through repeated material reposted by Gloria. The archives are
stuffed with it.
She does have valuable insights, if one has the patience to scroll down
to find them.
The size of this list has nearly doubled since I took over from Richard
Satin.
If it is to continue to be a useful resource to the people it serves,
everyone will have to be very considerate in sharing the space, and
conserving bandwidth.
That's the real world limits of the list.
The #1 reason people unsubscribe from the list is because they are unable
to keep up with the list traffic. Either because of available time or more
often, physical mail volume limits.
That means people who need the useful information this list provides are
having to leave anyway, because of the reposts and off topic chatter. To my
mind, this is a sad loss, for them and the list.
I don't wanna be List Gestapo, I really really really have better things
to do with my time than remind y'all of your manners like a kindergarden
teacher.
But to protect this space, I will be speaking out as much as I feel I
need to.
I love the list too much to let it get snowed under by a few
inconsiderate repeat offenders.
And Gloria, Darlin' you are the worst one when it comes to this.
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:59:29 +1000
From: Bruno Callipari <bruno_cATnospammildura.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unconditional love
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Ken McFarland:)
Thankyou for loving me Ken and many people on the list - I don't
know how to take it, its like I'm someone really important but didn't know
it to myself or what to do with it. Please continue observing to a view of
participating. Praying to a faith that your prayers will be welcomed. And
meditating to bring the remedy of love, peace and success.
Being loved by many has never felt better.
Thankyou Lobster for disclosing that it *was* a wise thing for Ken
to give Love and Acceptance. bruno_c
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 22:57:39 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Thank you from Morgana
Message-ID: <33740E53.58E7ATnospambest.com>
Thank you all of you
for the wonderful information and sharing regarding bipolar disorder
(manic-depression).
This has been for us like an elephant in our living room. We've fought
over the hay consumption, groused while shoveling the manure, and
bemoaned the piles of broken furniture without acknowledging the
elephant. When we finally looked, it was -oh! Well I now remember that
being there, and it explains all the shit. Now how do we learn to live
with it.
M, I would never admit to knowing everything if I did know
everything, because then I'd know enough to keep silent. Thanks for your
wisdom.
I really appreciate all of you, your love, acceptance, and support. I've
always had a wariness about appearing vulnerable, it's a big deal to be
able to acknowledge my elephants.
Morgana
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 02:29:16 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Spiral <spiral-3ATnospamworldnet.att.net>
CC: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3372C43C.6ACBATnospambridge.net>
HI,
If you ask I tell you, gett off Prozac as soon as possible... it is very
destructive...it has a lot of side effect...
there is a book called Talking back to Prozac, try to pick it up and
make your own choice, but get informed of what you are putting in your
body.
Love,
Lissette
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:44:28 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: kundalini "victims"
Message-ID: <3374C20C.12C7ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
> also, on discriminatory language against kundalini "victims"...
ahem . . .
as someone recently refused entery to an "all welcome" Ashram on three
seperate occasions
(they apoligised later) and having been thrown off "unmoderated" forums
for talking "nonsense", it came as a great delight to find the Kundalini
forum. Here was acceptance and genuine concern and empathy. People
sharing, people opening their hearts, people declaring unconditional
Love, people sending blessing to those they do not know, people growing
and learning. People on all stages of the path, people on no path,
beginners, advanced, nobody, everyone.
GROUP CYBER HUG.
Spread the Light
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:05:34 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
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At 11:25 PM 5/8/97 +0000, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
<snipped!>
>At 19:11 09/05/97 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
<snipped!>
>>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
<snipped!>
>>> At 22:19 28/04/97 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>>> >Gloria Greco wrote:
<snipped!>
>>> <snipped!>
><snipped>
>>> <snipped!> Blessings, Mystress.
>>
> Personal? What?
<snipped!> SNIP YOUR
>POSTS.
> Like you could have snipped out bits of this one
<snipped!><snipped!><snipped!><snipped!><snipped!>
>
> Members, please take a moment to send love and light to Gloria
I like this part!
Gloria, I love you.
Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
cc: Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk, eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: a question for tom aston on enlightenment
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On Thu, 8 May 1997, Ken McFarland wrote:
A little word from our sponser:)
"There is only one Religion, the religion of love.
There is only one language, the language of the heart.
There is only one race, the race of humanity.
There is only on God and he is omnipresent."
..Sai Baba
His basic message is that everyone is God, the Christ, the Buddha, the
Atma, the Eternal Self;that all should see themselves this way and see
each person they meet this way, for how one treats each person one meets
is how one treats him. ...Joshua David Stone.
Love in all things friends...
WaterFall
> At 08:33 AM 5/8/97 -0700, Joseph Miller wrote: >
>
> >>where there is hatred, anger or prejudice and intolerance and
> >>exclusive belief systems it is unlikely that there is enlightenment
>
> >I wouldn't waste my time trying to get a kind word about the white race
> from my
> >Cherokee master. He doesn't hate them, he just sees no reason to have
> anything
> >to do with them and doesn't care if they like it or not.
>
> Well, of course not, they are a waste of time to one who is enlightened.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ken, the free mind.
>
* " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " *
Looking through Lightworking eyes,
Living through a Loveworking heart.
'Keep your face to the sunshine and you will not see the shadows' -H. Keller
In lak'ech Nancy...WaterFall in spirit nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:51:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A day in hell
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Hi, I was doing this mantra at a Siddha yoga meeting on Thursday and it
was getting really intense transpersonally. I let go and was dwelling
in the heart, or tried to at least, then after about 15 minutes I felt
this really weird feeling in my throat(vocal chord area), like kind of a
gross, numb feeling. During this I was in a really detached state of
mind, almost kind of scary, so I decided to bring myself "back" by making
mental blessings to all the people I know, that I could think of through
my life. That helped ease anxiety. After the meeting, everyone was
friendly, of course, but some of the reactions toward me just seemed
sorta weird in a irrational way.
Anyway, the next day at work everything is going OK. Toward the end of
the day I remember that sweet melodic mantra from the night before, and
sing it in my head. Next thing I know, that weird feeling is in my
throat again....Oh well, I kept going about my work. I progressively
started feeling bad, and that progressed into a bad head ache after I
ate a turkey sandwiche(which I try to avoid). Later, when I was working
in the computer lab, the spit hit the fan. The computer network crashed
and I could not figure out what was wrong with it, which I'm hired to do.
As its time to leave my boss, pressures me into calling all these people
to help me figure it out, and I just wanna go home because I feel like
utter crap. I stayed a few more hours and got no where but more
frustrated. I came home and crashed like a ton of bricks. Throughout it
all there was a strong sense of negativity.
Later that evening, I talked with a friend about it and he said that the
throat chakra is associated with negative energy in the front. He said
to concentrate on the kidney areas when this area opens. Well, now its
opening again because if I say "dont think of a hippo", well, your going
to keep thinking about it more. Well, anyway, I dont know if this was
just a coincidence or what, but I'll heed that wheel archetype I saw in
my dream last night and try to remember that the crap comes around my
way, and leaves my way....with changes in the meantime.
Bye,
Nothing is
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:49:42 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: a little poetry for the weekend
Message-ID: <dePi9DAmcKdzEw+OATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
going through some old notes today i found these extracts from a DH
Lawrence poem which shares something with kundalini transformation.....
New Heaven and Earth
God, but it is good to have died and been trodden out,
trodden to nought in sour, dead earth,
quite to nought,
absolutely to nothing
nothing
nothing
nothing
Ha, I was a blaze leaping up!
I was a tiger bursting into sunlight.
I was greedy, I was mad for the unknown.
I, new-risen, resurrected, starved from the tomb,
starved frm a life of devouring always myself
now here was I, new-awakened, with my hand stretching out
and touching the unknown, the real unknown, unknown unknown
...I am thrown upon the shore
...the unknown, the new world
regards
Tom
ps i enjoyed Lobster's admission of a chequered history of
exclusion and persecution considerably - thankyou for that...
when people start to persecute you the chances are you're making
progress.....
--
Tom Aston
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:52:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca>
To: Frank Lane <lanefATnospamboris.msfc.nasa.gov>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Well said!
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On Fri, 9 May 1997, Frank Lane wrote:
> List,
>
> Cudos to Ken for something so well said!
>
> Would say Namaste except white folks might be on list!:-)
Do you guys believe in reincarnation?
Waterfall
>
> Ken McFarland wrote:
> >
> > At 08:33 AM 5/8/97 -0700, Joseph Miller wrote:
> >
> > >>where there is hatred, anger or prejudice and intolerance and
> > >>exclusive belief systems it is unlikely that there is enlightenment
> >
> > >I wouldn't waste my time trying to get a kind word about the white race
> > from my
> > >Cherokee master. He doesn't hate them, he just sees no reason to have
> > anything
> > >to do with them and doesn't care if they like it or not.
> >
> > Well, of course not, they are a waste of time to one who is enlightened.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Ken, the free mind.
>
> --
> Frank Lane
> (205)961-4677
> Freelance
> lanefATnospamboris.msfc.nasa.gov
>
* " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " *
Looking through Lightworking eyes,
Living through a Loveworking heart.
'Keep your face to the sunshine and you will not see the shadows' -H. Keller
In lak'ech Nancy...WaterFall in spirit nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:58:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca>
To: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and dreams
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On Fri, 9 May 1997, Nothing Is wrote:
>
> Anyone have any ideas regarding lucid dreaming and K awakening? Do the
> two correlate closely? Can one spark the other? I have a hard to
I believe so. I think it's all part in parcel of awakening and getting
in touch with our inner selves. I started out as being very visual and a
dreamer. But not very good at picking up on others feelings and being
empathic. As I journey on many of the different ways of opening up to
people and spirit are coming into being for me.
But I started out with just the visual aspect.
What would your main strength be at this time?
My theory is that if you work to develope this 'key' so to speak to spirit
that then spirit will show you other ways to connect...such as dreaming
clearly.
just my opinion:)
WaterFall
> remembering my dreams, its kinda like remembering small fragments from a
> "drunk blackout", let alone becoming conscious in my dreams. But I find
> analyzing my dreams with thinking of archetypes seen I can some how
> subconsciously put something together, even though on the conscious level
> it is irrational.
>
> thanks,
> nothing is
> Growing Cosmic Lotus Stand on Your Street Corner
>
* " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " *
Looking through Lightworking eyes,
Living through a Loveworking heart.
'Keep your face to the sunshine and you will not see the shadows' -H. Keller
In lak'ech Nancy...WaterFall in spirit nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:41:51 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Message-ID: <337442DF.4FFEATnospamintercomm.com>
I agree that I can cut out most of the text that isn't a problem, but
that doesn'deal with he questions of why you are gettig so personal. I
made a statement of philosophical difference and you are on the attack.
Where is this coming from? Gloria
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:45:04 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!.
Message-ID: <337443A0.533BATnospamintercomm.com>
I haven't been posting at all here recently, and I could complain about
having many messages two to four times in my box but I just flow with
it, it isn't a big deal.Like this one from you today was there twice. If
its not there more as I go through it. Gloria
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 19:41:15 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: A day in hell
Message-ID: <EIUEIBALFMdzEw8OATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970510112655.29882A-100000ATnospampiranha.itlabs.umn
.edu>, Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu> writes
>
>Hi, I was doing this mantra at a Siddha yoga meeting on Thursday and it
>was getting really intense transpersonally. I let go and was dwelling
>in the heart, or tried to at least, then after about 15 minutes I felt
>this really weird feeling in my throat(vocal chord area), like kind of a
>gross, numb feeling.
the opening of the throat chakra marks a need for a mystical
understanding that dissolves all our conditioned ideas about love,
spirituality and who we really are - that served us so well in the heart
chakra...
ultimately we will return to the heart,but only after the throat, the
gateway to the head chakras, has opened and we have seen into the empty
skull of Tantra and dissolved our old understanding.
just as the teaching of kill the buddha can come in handy when one has
outgrown rules, rituals and beliefs and even conceptual thought itself,
so can killing all conceptions of self and other, so in reality there is
no one to love and no one to be loved...which can all be rather alarming
at first ! but doesn't actually preclude the possibility of love, only
not in the way we are accustomed to experiencing it in our conditioned
experience......
negativity and weird stuff is not unusual with the throat chakra opening
especially if one is under pressure to respond to outer events like
computers crashing and bosses giving orders...the throat chakra really
wants us to turn within and discover the esoteric understanding that is
so hard to grasp unless one experiences it for oneself....
try and minimise the outer business of life for a while if
possible......
mantra and sound become very important with the throat as both bring a
deep but subtle understanding....this can be effortless and require very
little in way of practice of meditation or ritual....you may even feel
bad because it's all too easy and you seem to be the only person having
these experiences...
you may not necessarily like what you find out about yourself and others
initially, so best to keep it to yourself and kundalini yogis who
understand better....
detachment may arise for a while as the throat can enable you to see
through the appearances of normality into the underlying dilemmas of
conditioning....
don't ignore this process as one way or another it will have its way
with you, believe your intuitions my friend, they are true !
might help to write it all down as things can move very quickly and
therapy can be a matter of DIY....
regards Yogi Tom
"hell is often the last stop before enlightenment"
--
Tom Aston
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