1997/05/08 18:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #215
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 215
Today's Topics:
RE: Yogi Bruno
Re: a question for tom aston on enlightenment
Re: a question for tom aston on enlightenment
Re: a question for tom aston on enlightenment
Re: Prozac and K
Re: Prozac and K
Merkaba Meditation WEb Site.
on enlightenment - some brief definitions from the east
Re: Prozac and K
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:17:32 +1000
From: Bruno Callipari <bruno_cATnospammildura.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Yogi Bruno
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re: masturbation > no thanks, I was just wondering that's all cos I used to
do it alot to get over my worries or it just suited me. I'm trying not to now.
re: yogi title - isn't everyone on a spiritual emergence path? Now we can't
necessarily go around calling everyone Yogi - "Hey Yogi BEAR!". I might
call one of my books Yogi Bruno! (I *know* > it's a title of advanced level
status and I've got it haven't I...)
re: subconcious in waking life - is it healthy to talk openly, as you do,
with your subconcious - while it may hide nothing about you doesn't it let
others know too much and in effect harm you? Like with Spiritual emergence
- it affects the sex life of finding a partner.
re: patients with attitude - I planned to write about the psychiatric
experience - I actually kept an excersise book and some paper handtowel
diaries in the hospital - hell knows how I kept them cos my eyes were blurry
from the heavy medication (hevviee...) and I wasn't feeling too crash hot -
Just goes to prove I wasn't mental, which brings me to the point that
psychiatrists know very well what's happening spiritually cos new drugs are
always being made - Risperedone is a new one that I'm on - and I don't count
on being on them forever either - I'm going to build up my aura and develop
myself from my newly birth.
re: Zenlike master hitting students - that's funny, grabbing crotches won't
catch on I don't think either cos I tried it when I was sentient to my
brother-in-law's best mate and immediatley after doing it noticed 'Mr.
brawn's' 5 second delayed reaction and I felt ashamed and knew it was wrong.
I agreeingly said "Oh yeah it's really *hard* to like other men [while
washing his ute]. Then I stepped up to him and said, "...about as 'hard' as
*this*" [and tweaked his gender]. Do you think that was direct enough?
(Zen master Bruno! Yogi Bruno!)
re: reading the finished product - all in good time Yogi Tom. "...admitting
past wrongs can impress psychiatrists as this amounts in their eyes to
understanding you are mad and need help" ...tick, tick, tick the bomb will
not go off, least resistance *isn't* futile.
I'm not planning to make any stands, was contemplating it but know that
they want to play little euphemism games, so we'll do it their way hey?
A circus always has a ring master and I grew a fine beard once so I should
be able to walk the rope.
re: star trek > I was making a lot of noise to get out my high detention
room so meanwhile I got into 4th and 5th dimension games to *really* scare
them. My fellow yogi traveller called Zolton, a friend of my mums who
visited me, ordered them to get me out of there. So in effect it was Zolton
and not Scotty who beamed me up!
re: movie making - I would allow for my books to be made into movies or
series as long as I had creative control - yeah why not?
re: nakedness - Not those feet - put some socks on them dear boy - your
family only wanted you to know that they love things they'd rather not see.
Thinking in their 'holeproof heroes' that they would catch tinea from you -
MOCASSINS! Up for mocassins!! (They get a bit sticky and damp though). But
WHOLE BODY NAKEDNESS! When I had a good body I wore nothing to bed and
didn't alter this habit when once I had to share motel rooms with my Dad. I
wanted to shock him so much that he got it through his thick head that I
needed a girlfriend and the lifestyle he was making me lead didn't permit
it. But as you can guess it didn't work or happen. I had girlfriends at
school but it didn't involve sex, I lived a bit out of town, too young and
poor to drive and was all into jehovah's witness/archaic catholocism of no
sex before marraige.
re: cognitive psychologist - is this the same as your regular Sharon Stone
psychIATRIST? PsychOLOGIST's cost, I know one who saw me as a youth.
I have gradually been lessened in medication so I guess they are trying to
help, just not admitting what I've actually got. "...kundalini tends to
have a mind of her own once she's this far gone...the answer tends to lie
within in the end". I am romantically christian (catholic) and have the
idea that god is in us all and believe in the big bang theory if any.
re: way of being - "you may find writing suits [your kundalini]
re: Dreamtime - In Alice Springs I went on an excursion with about 8
aboriginal kids while in remission. I just went for a walk going to see if
I could work in an aboriginal retirement home. I just happened to go walking
and met up with these kids in a playground, I was drawn to them. I told
them a dreamtime story (made up by me as heard about it from when I did
Australian History for Yr. 12) and so they took me for a walkabout around a
small mountain, there were caves that a fellow mental patient lived in, and
shell was evident which must have been from when Australia was under water.
I've actually been asked by my Godfather to go on a road tour from Alice
Springs getting there by plane then coming back down to Mildura by
landrover/caravan. Should I go?
PS Its ok if you post what we write, to the list - that why it's a digest.
PSS Did you know there are psychics assigned to the incarcerated K person in
hospital? They are rumoured to be working for the government to find out
what you know and how you can help (so I've been told) and I once wrote on
my winter bedsheet and was getting messages from the radio that I would be
prime minister and my family would be well looked after, I used a black
fineliner - a bit psychic don't you think? From bruno_c
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:29:32 +0100
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: a question for tom aston on enlightenment
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What is Enlightenment?
Knowing how to know..
Knowing and loving God.
Knowing how to know and love God.
Knowing how to know and love God and His Creation.
Knowing how to know and love God and His Creation and especially Yourself.
The Truth is relative and on the time track of gradiently revealed Knowledge,
Wisdom and Love.
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>In message <199705071702.KAA00295ATnospamf10.hotmail.com>, anita grayson
><eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com> writes
>>Tom,
>> I remember the contronversy on enlightenment a while back.
>>What in the eastern terms is this state of being. The dictionary
>>says it is to give the light of fact and knowledge to; reveal truths
>>to; free from ignorance, prejudice, or superstition. Is this the
>>same thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anita
>>
>>
>if i knew the answer to this kind of question i would be enlightened
>which would probably mean i wouldn't answer at all......
>
>in practice though, i certainly know what enlightenment isn't !!!
>
>my rough and ready view is that one should adopt the testing criteria of
>
>NO ENLIGHTENMENT
>
>where there is hatred, anger or prejudice and intolerance and exclusive
>belief systems it is unlikely that there is enlightenment
>
>where someone wants something from you in return for what they're
>giving, then there's no enlightenment
>
>where love and acceptance are conditional upon you obeying someone's ego
>there is no enlightenment
>
>where there is no humour but only rules and rituals there is no
>enlightenment
>>
>where there is judgement and alienation there is no enlightenment
>
>where no one listens there is no enlightenment
>
>where people look but do not truly see there is no enlightenment
>
>when someone talks only to themselves there is no enlightenemnt
>
>where someone is determined to fix you even if you don't want to be
>fixed there is no enlightenment
>
>and if someone cannot handle awkward questions like yours,
>
>well......
>
>there is unlikely to be enlightenment....
>>
>in general, i prefer wisdom to the term enlightenment, as this is
>something much easier to recognise and something there's a big shortage
>of, and which we can talk about and develop within our own lives little
>by little with no sense of something fixed like enlightenment....
>
>with wisdom we can all have our moments in the sun....
>
>i'm not even sure we're ready for enlightenment yet, maybe if we can
>learn how to stop destroying and poisoning the environment, waging and
>preparing for wars, killing off species of plants and animals,
>exploiting our fellow humanity...
>
>then we might become able to recognise enlightened beings too and
>realise that this lofty state was much closer than we imagined....
>
>and suddenly see that well, maybe the buddha was with us all along.....
>
>and that without the whole following, individual enlightenment means
>very little...
>
>so, ummm. who knows what enlightenment is.....but i sure as hell know
>what it ain't !
>
>any help ?
>
>Tom, The Riddler
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>Tom Aston
>
>
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:44:59 +0100
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: a question for tom aston on enlightenment
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>Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:31:46 -0
>
>
>
>What is Enlightenment?
>
>Knowing how to know..
>Knowing and loving God.
>Knowing how to know and love God.
>Knowing how to know and love God and His Creation.
>Knowing how to know and love God and His Creation and especially Yourself.
>The Truth is relative and on the time track of gradiently revealed Knowledge,
>Wisdom and Love.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----------------------------------------------
>>In message <199705071702.KAA00295ATnospamf10.hotmail.com>, anita grayson
>><eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com> writes
>>>Tom,
>>> I remember the contronversy on enlightenment a while back.
>>>What in the eastern terms is this state of being. The dictionary
>>>says it is to give the light of fact and knowledge to; reveal truths
>>>to; free from ignorance, prejudice, or superstition. Is this the
>>>same thing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anita
>>>
>>>
>>if i knew the answer to this kind of question i would be enlightened
>>which would probably mean i wouldn't answer at all......
>>
>>in practice though, i certainly know what enlightenment isn't !!!
>>
>>my rough and ready view is that one should adopt the testing criteria of
>>
>>NO ENLIGHTENMENT
>>
>>where there is hatred, anger or prejudice and intolerance and exclusive
>>belief systems it is unlikely that there is enlightenment
>>
>>where someone wants something from you in return for what they're
>>giving, then there's no enlightenment
>>
>>where love and acceptance are conditional upon you obeying someone's ego
>>there is no enlightenment
>>
>>where there is no humour but only rules and rituals there is no
>>enlightenment
>>>
>>where there is judgement and alienation there is no enlightenment
>>
>>where no one listens there is no enlightenment
>>
>>where people look but do not truly see there is no enlightenment
>>
>>when someone talks only to themselves there is no enlightenemnt
>>
>>where someone is determined to fix you even if you don't want to be
>>fixed there is no enlightenment
>>
>>and if someone cannot handle awkward questions like yours,
>>
>>well......
>>
>>there is unlikely to be enlightenment....
>>>
>>in general, i prefer wisdom to the term enlightenment, as this is
>>something much easier to recognise and something there's a big shortage
>>of, and which we can talk about and develop within our own lives little
>>by little with no sense of something fixed like enlightenment....
>>
>>with wisdom we can all have our moments in the sun....
>>
>>i'm not even sure we're ready for enlightenment yet, maybe if we can
>>learn how to stop destroying and poisoning the environment, waging and
>>preparing for wars, killing off species of plants and animals,
>>exploiting our fellow humanity...
>>
>>then we might become able to recognise enlightened beings too and
>>realise that this lofty state was much closer than we imagined....
>>
>>and suddenly see that well, maybe the buddha was with us all along.....
>>
>>and that without the whole following, individual enlightenment means
>>very little...
>>
>>so, ummm. who knows what enlightenment is.....but i sure as hell know
>>what it ain't !
>>
>>any help ?
>>
>>Tom, The Riddler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------
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>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Tom Aston
>>
>>
>
>
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 08:33:22 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk, eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: a question for tom aston on enlightenment
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At the risk of butting in, I'd like to bring up a few points about this
discussion between two of my favorite people on this list. I think Tom has done
a very good job of covering the subject but there is one point in his answer I
do want to address.
>>Tom,
>> I remember the contronversy on enlightenment a while back.
>>What in the eastern terms is this state of being. The dictionary
>>says it is to give the light of fact and knowledge to; reveal truths
>>to; free from ignorance, prejudice, or superstition. Is this the
>>same thing?
>>
>> Anita
>>
>if i knew the answer to this kind of question i would be enlightened
>which would probably mean i wouldn't answer at all......
>
>in practice though, i certainly know what enlightenment isn't !!!
>
>my rough and ready view is that one should adopt the testing criteria
>of
>
>NO ENLIGHTENMENT
>
>where there is hatred, anger or prejudice and intolerance and
>exclusive belief systems it is unlikely that there is enlightenment
>
This is something I've had to deal with in my own experience with individuals
who were obviously enlightened or so powerful as to defy belief. I had used some
of the same words Tom used as my basis for judging. I finally came to realize it
was me (DUH!) who was not applying the right criteria in the use of the terms
Tom repeated above. Early on in my life, I bought into the ideas that would come
to be known as "Politically Correct" or "PC" and I was applying those
definitions to the beings I was judging. In short, I'd kept such an open mind my
brains had run out, or at least gone out to lunch.
I am lucky enough to know two enlightened beings. Both of these are very much
creatures of their respective cultures, one of India and Hinduism, the other of
Cherokee and the secret practices of his lineage of priests.
To a modern western person both can come across as prejudiced and intolerant. My
teacher from India will give you a list of dos and don'ts that look as long as
your arm and for me that's long. Of course, if you examine them you'll soon
realize that all can be traced back to one of the yamas or niyamas or to some
Vedic or ayurvedic treatment for a particular problem. I know of less than a
dozen westerners that would not look at his instructions to me and not consider
him intolerant and dictatorial. He isn't, he just doesn't see any reason to play
at Kundalini, either master it and raise it to gain enlightenment or leave it
alone (in the case of a non-intentional awakening he would take that as God's
will and expect you to give it your all).
I wouldn't waste my time trying to get a kind word about the white race from my
Cherokee master. He doesn't hate them, he just sees no reason to have anything
to do with them and doesn't care if they like it or not. Thank God, I'm part
Cherokee. He will grant that there has been much progress in the ways his people
are treated but his memory is long. Of course, what he has to say about whites
is much much kinder than what he has to say about Indians who open their lands
up for gambling. That is filled with anger and sadness at the lack of character
by these, his people, who in his mind appear to want to be white so bad they
will give up their morals for it.
Tom is correct in what he said, but not in the sense those words are used by
most of the people I know in the US or on this list. As an example I can think
of no better show than telling my Hindu teacher that "A Satanist may be
following the way that is right for him or her." He would go on at least an hour
of ranting and stuttering. My Cherokee teacher wouldn't consider it to be worth
that much of his time. His response would be a simple straight forward,
"Bullshit!" Then move on to the next subject. That is NOT intolerance it is
discrimination, the reason God gave us a brain. However, some who are reading
this are not sure I'm right.
I believe the main point is the "exclusive belief systems" part. Both teachers
will acknowledge other systems and means and methods on the path. They will even
tell you where some other systems are better or worse than their system in
specific respects. But about the sorts of things I've mentioned above they don't
bend and they shouldn't.
Namaste,
Joe
>
>where someone wants something from you in return for what they're
>giving, then there's no enlightenment
>
>where love and acceptance are conditional upon you obeying someone's
>ego there is no enlightenment
>
>where there is no humour but only rules and rituals there is no
>enlightenment
>
>where there is judgement and alienation there is no enlightenment
>
>where no one listens there is no enlightenment
>
>where people look but do not truly see there is no enlightenment
>
>when someone talks only to themselves there is no enlightenemnt
>
>where someone is determined to fix you even if you don't want to be
>fixed there is no enlightenment
>
>and if someone cannot handle awkward questions like yours,
>
>well......
>
>there is unlikely to be enlightenment....
>
>in general, i prefer wisdom to the term enlightenment, as this is
>something much easier to recognise and something there's a big
>shortage of, and which we can talk about and develop within our own
>lives little by little with no sense of something fixed like
>enlightenment....
>
>with wisdom we can all have our moments in the sun....
>
>i'm not even sure we're ready for enlightenment yet, maybe if we can
>learn how to stop destroying and poisoning the environment, waging
>and preparing for wars, killing off species of plants and animals,
>exploiting our fellow humanity...
>
>then we might become able to recognise enlightened beings too and
>realise that this lofty state was much closer than we imagined....
>
>and suddenly see that well, maybe the buddha was with us all
>along.....
>
>and that without the whole following, individual enlightenment means
>very little...
>
>so, ummm. who knows what enlightenment is.....but i sure as hell know
>what it ain't !
>
>any help ?
>
>Tom, The Riddler
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 12:23:35 -0700
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <33722837.5F067811ATnospamsirius.com>
Larry Killen wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any information/thoughts on Prozac and K?
I think this is a fascinating subject. It's one I've given a fair amount
of thought to over the last couple of years without coming to any
conclusion (no hard rules with K, maybe). But in general, I can't help
but wonder if there's any correlation between the great numbers of people
experiencing K awakenings these days and the increased (or so it seems to
me) numbers going thru intense depression who often take anti-depressants
like prozac, etc to relieve it.
A friend and I have had phases of depression which seem to be
manifestations of K (that phase now seems over for me, yea!). People on
the list have also reported as much. I myself have not taken
anti-depressants, but my friend did use another anti-depressant called
serazone for a period of 18 months to 2 years. And she did first try
Prozac for a while but quit due to nasty side-effects. She found the
serazone very effective with the depression (it's a newer drug) and also
found it didn't overpower her or make her feel heavily medicated. She was
also seeing a therapist while taking the drug. She discontinued the
serazone because, finally, she felt she had moved into a new phase and no
longer needed it. So far, she's been fine without it.
So I will just conclude with the speculation that perhaps some people
will benefit from these drugs as short-term 'helpers' during the K phases
which can be so emotionally trying. Although, personally, it didn't feel
like the way to go.
No expertise here. Just some thoughts and some anecdotal data.
Bye for now,
Paul
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:19:38 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <ExZUWCA6FlczEwnpATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <33722837.5F067811ATnospamsirius.com>, Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
writes
>Larry Killen wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any information/thoughts on Prozac and K?
>
>I think this is a fascinating subject. It's one I've given a fair amount
>of thought to over the last couple of years without coming to any
>conclusion (no hard rules with K, maybe). But in general, I can't help
>but wonder if there's any correlation between the great numbers of people
>experiencing K awakenings these days and the increased (or so it seems to
>me) numbers going thru intense depression who often take anti-depressants
>like prozac, etc to relieve it.
but aren't there many people who have been badly damaged by dependency
on prozac ?
isn't its portrayal as the wonder drug of the 80s and 90s rather
misleading ?
i'm no expert on this drug but i have read enough reports about "prozac
survivors" in the USA to know it has a downside that can outweigh its
ability to buy time to adjust to kundalini symptoms, for instance......
on another related note, saw a report yesterday on geriatric psychiatric
medication - quite terrifying the widespread use of high levels of
medication being used to sedate the elderly in hospitals and care homes
simply to make them easier to manage or just knock them out altogether.
in general, i would be wary of yielding to this chemicalisation of
experience that fails to fit the linear and reductive concepts of
"normality" and that attempts to sanitise experience that is inevitably
raw and often unpalatable (whether or not kundalini is involved).
These chemicals can also do damage to the nervous system and the brain
functions that can be as bad as the symptoms they are intended to
alleviate, although i don't know much about the downside of prozac on
the nervous system.
then there's simply the point that they numb symptoms rather than
healing the underlying causes, so may actually postpone the healing
process....
even if this may mean a short-term onset of crisis that has to be dealt
with at a deeper and more permanent level...
and while some people may still find mind drugs useful, i think in
general these kind of cautionary points are not made clear by the
medical profession and media when prescribing these drugs.
indeed, sometimes a second drug will be used to manage the side effects
of the first...and the second drug can have side effects too....so it
just gets worse and worse....
"Free Our Minds" Tom
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 20:49:50 +0100
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net
Subject: Merkaba Meditation WEb Site.
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There is a new web site dedicated to the Merkaba. Thought you might find it
interesting. It is:
http://www2.cruzio.com/~flower/index.html
Enjoy,
Jon
===========================May
Peace and Love pervade the Universe.
===========================
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voy.net/~voltron/
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:54:06 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: anita grayson <eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: on enlightenment - some brief definitions from the east
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In message <199705071702.KAA00295ATnospamf10.hotmail.com>, anita grayson
<eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com> writes
>Tom,
> I remember the contronversy on enlightenment a while back.
>What in the eastern terms is this state of being. The dictionary
>says it is to give the light of fact and knowledge to; reveal truths
>to; free from ignorance, prejudice, or superstition. Is this the
>same thing?
>
>
>
> Anita
>
hi anita and fellow list members,
sorry to have a second bite at the cherry, but i was thinking about this
question later on today after my initial personal somewhat "negative"
reply and, putting on my intellectual hat, here are some more positive
classical definitions of enlightenment in some of the Oriental
traditions as i understand them....(please correct them if any of these
are wrong, anyone out there...)
and, as far as i know, all traces of ignorance, superstition and
prejudice should dissolve in such exalted states....>
in Tibetan Tantric Buddhism enlightenment often has two aspects - means
in the form of compassion, and ends in the form of primordial wisdom
whereby samsara and nirvana become one
in Zen, it is often called sartori which points to an everpresent
awareness of things as they really are
in Mahayana Buddhism enlightenment is referred to by realisation of
sunyata, a Sanskrit word meaning "emptiness" that is beyond all
definition and manifests as the bodhisattva ideal of compassionate
action whereby one delays one's own liberation in nirvana to help others
in Theravada Buddhism enlightenment equates with the arhat or saintly
ideal of individual purification of all traces of conditioned
consciousness which focusses on the individual liberation unlike the
Mahayana bodhisattva ideal
in the yogic traditions there are many forms of words, but sometimes it
is referred to in Hinduism as realising Brahman consciousness, which is
totally pure and totally at one with the Absolute,
or as the union of Shiva and Shakti,
or becoming one with Atman, the universal self,
or simply as the realisation of prajna (transcendental wisdom) and
karuna (compassionate action based on wisdom)
in Taoism it is to realise the harmonious union and interplay of Yin and
Yang in the Tao
in Sufism it could be described as to become completely intoxicated with
the Beloved (is this right oh learned Lobster ?)
and if anyone knows what the Jains, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Kabbalists et
al say, in a nut shell, i'd be interested to hear their classical
definitions too as it is interesting to compare the forms of words and
concepts used.....
regards,
Looking for enlightenment together, Tom xxx
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 18:02:38 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
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At 12:23 PM 5/8/97 -0700, Paul Ellis wrote:
>So I will just conclude with the speculation that perhaps some people
>will benefit from these drugs as short-term 'helpers' during the K phases
>which can be so emotionally trying. Although, personally, it didn't feel
>like the way to go.
>Bye for now,
>Paul
The new serotonin enhancing drugs act to raise the threshold for negative
intrusive thoughts and negative self-talk. This allows the individual to do
the work of psychotherapy - to form new, healthier ways of processing the
events in their lives.
Drugs without the intention of transformation may provide an escape from
reality. The intention to work through problems and grow personally, aided
by drugs, can be very effective.
Sincerely,
Ken's left brain.
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